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(Orlando Sentinel)   Five police officers opened fire on a driver who tried to run down a bicyclist that just happened to be a police officer   (orlandosentinel.com) divider line 74
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2014-07-19 05:50:38 PM  
+1 - Bicycles, cops, extensive rap sheet, black arrestee, Florida, car chase, gun play.  This is a very Farkrific article.
 
2014-07-19 06:20:42 PM  
I am still amazed that trigger happy cops do not kill more people just walking or sitting in their home when cops just fire a barrage of bullets in the general direction of their target. If the officers had a clue on how to use a their weapon when firing on an unarmed person the most that should be needed is two shots. Old rule once is good twice is nice. Low end on the range of a police handgun round is going to be over 1 mile. I do not think any police department uses glaser slugs.


Now if there was a dog in the area I am sure they would  hit them for sure.
 
2014-07-19 07:22:35 PM  
And if it had been a citizen on the bike instead, the cops would have shot him.
 
2014-07-19 07:56:41 PM  
The driver, Ta'Von O. Grayson

They should have tried shooting him just for that name.
 
2014-07-19 07:58:22 PM  

eurotrader: I am still amazed that trigger happy cops do not kill more people just walking or sitting in their home when cops just fire a barrage of bullets in the general direction of their target. If the officers had a clue on how to use a their weapon when firing on an unarmed person the most that should be needed is two shots. Old rule once is good twice is nice. Low end on the range of a police handgun round is going to be over 1 mile. I do not think any police department uses glaser slugs.


Now if there was a dog in the area I am sure they would  hit them for sure.


4/10 , needs more info on where to get good drugs.
 
2014-07-19 08:00:04 PM  

JasonOfOrillia: +1 - Bicycles, cops, extensive rap sheet, black arrestee, Florida, car chase, gun play.  This is a very Farkrific article.


Actually, we may need to divide by zero to put the universe back in order.
 
2014-07-19 08:01:56 PM  
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2014-07-19 08:03:33 PM  
So 5 assholes shoot an asshole who tried run over another asshole?  I don't know who to cheer for in this story.
 
2014-07-19 08:03:55 PM  
Upon reading the article I'm ok with this
 
2014-07-19 08:04:19 PM  
Good.
 
2014-07-19 08:05:05 PM  
Grayson drove to West Amelia Street and Garland Avenue, where another OPD officer fired shots at him, she said.

Just kill on sight now?
 
2014-07-19 08:08:14 PM  
Cop bicyclist? That is a pretty powerful douche combination.
 
2014-07-19 08:12:48 PM  
If Obama had a son, he would have named him Ta'Von.
 
2014-07-19 08:14:05 PM  
How is this not considered a death squad?
 
2014-07-19 08:14:57 PM  

rjakobi: eurotrader: I am still amazed that trigger happy cops do not kill more people just walking or sitting in their home when cops just fire a barrage of bullets in the general direction of their target. If the officers had a clue on how to use a their weapon when firing on an unarmed person the most that should be needed is two shots. Old rule once is good twice is nice. Low end on the range of a police handgun round is going to be over 1 mile. I do not think any police department uses glaser slugs.


Now if there was a dog in the area I am sure they would  hit them for sure.

4/10 , needs more info on where to get good drugs.


I think he is actually being honest. Also, what is so trolltastic about that comment? It looks like a normal anti cop comment on fark.
 
2014-07-19 08:15:40 PM  

vudutek: And if it had been a citizen on the bike instead, the cops would have shot him.


Yeah. I've been to Farkida. A driver who hits a bicyclist gets a commendation if he's white, tazed if non-white.
 
2014-07-19 08:17:11 PM  
If only somehow we can connect this to circumcision Fark will finally gain sencience and Drew will rule over a thousand years of peace and beer.
 
2014-07-19 08:19:34 PM  

AeAe: So 5 assholes shoot an asshole who tried run over another asshole?  I don't know who to cheer for in this story.


exactly. they should all die.
 
2014-07-19 08:21:11 PM  

nyseattitude: Grayson drove to West Amelia Street and Garland Avenue, where another OPD officer fired shots at him, she said.

Just kill on sight now?


Well yeah. I'm sure your idea of being nice to the crazy driver would work very well. In this situation, the crazy bastard drove away from cops recklessly, resisted arrest, and attempted to run over an officer. So do tell, genius, what other options do they have in the heat of the moment to stop this crazy bastard? An letting him go and just wait till he gets tired of running people over isnt an option, so that doesn't count.
 
2014-07-19 08:23:36 PM  
Tell me Jefe, was it a "fusillade" of bullets?
 
2014-07-19 08:24:22 PM  

Dirty J1: nyseattitude: Grayson drove to West Amelia Street and Garland Avenue, where another OPD officer fired shots at him, she said.

Just kill on sight now?

Well yeah. I'm sure your idea of being nice to the crazy driver would work very well. In this situation, the crazy bastard drove away from cops recklessly, resisted arrest, and attempted to run over an officer. So do tell, genius, what other options do they have in the heat of the moment to stop this crazy bastard? An letting him go and just wait till he gets tired of running people over isnt an option, so that doesn't count.


Yeah this. The thing to remember is that guns and bicycles aren't all that great in a car fight.
 
2014-07-19 08:24:31 PM  
Pity. That he survived, that is. Also a little surprising.
 
2014-07-19 08:25:56 PM  

Empty H: rjakobi: eurotrader: I am still amazed that trigger happy cops do not kill more people just walking or sitting in their home when cops just fire a barrage of bullets in the general direction of their target. If the officers had a clue on how to use a their weapon when firing on an unarmed person the most that should be needed is two shots. Old rule once is good twice is nice. Low end on the range of a police handgun round is going to be over 1 mile. I do not think any police department uses glaser slugs.


Now if there was a dog in the area I am sure they would  hit them for sure.

4/10 , needs more info on where to get good drugs.

I think he is actually being honest. Also, what is so trolltastic about that comment? It looks like a normal anti cop comment on fark.


Yeah I agree that sounds honest to me too. Cops shooting randomly all over the place is standard, and they do shot dogs whenever they get the chance...
 
2014-07-19 08:26:24 PM  
On a side note (the side of TFA) can we PLEASE stop using Caylee Anthony as the poster child for missing and slain children? While you may not agree with the verdict, the case is over. It's done. There will be no more developments unless Casey has another one and kills it too. And even then Caylee's death will be the backstory, not the main event. Surely there is another slain child, perhaps not quite as white, female, and photogenic, whose case remains unsolved and who could use the publicity?

Or is Florida doing so well that there are no unsolved murder cases involving children?
 
2014-07-19 08:27:33 PM  
Civilian bike riders get run down all the time, and all they hear, if they're still alive, is crickets, never gunshots aimed at the car driver.
 
2014-07-19 08:27:47 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: The driver, Ta'Von O. Grayson

They should have tried shooting him just for that name.



Look, Ta'Von is even more comfortable than Dacron or Nylon. I think the police should have given him a hug, and appreciated his snuggly softness.
 
2014-07-19 08:29:21 PM  

AeAe: So 5 assholes shoot an asshole who tried run over another asshole?  I don't know who to cheer for in this story.


The regular choice would be the one highest in fiber.
 
2014-07-19 08:30:46 PM  

AeAe: 5 assholes shoot an asshole


Worst porn ever.
 
2014-07-19 08:36:07 PM  

bubbadave1056: Civilian bike riders get run down all the time, and all they hear, if they're still alive, is crickets, never gunshots aimed at the car driver.


If a civilian bicyclist tried to pull me over, I'd probably try to run him down too.
 
2014-07-19 08:37:13 PM  
Once again when it's a cop on a bicycle it's assault with a deadly weapon, when it's not a cop it's an 'accident' or a 'misunderstanding'. If I shot every driver who tried to kill me when I've been bicycling I'd have a longer list than the worst of the wild west gunslingers.
 
2014-07-19 08:41:00 PM  

mschwenk: Dirty J1: nyseattitude: Grayson drove to West Amelia Street and Garland Avenue, where another OPD officer fired shots at him, she said.

Just kill on sight now?

Well yeah. I'm sure your idea of being nice to the crazy driver would work very well. In this situation, the crazy bastard drove away from cops recklessly, resisted arrest, and attempted to run over an officer. So do tell, genius, what other options do they have in the heat of the moment to stop this crazy bastard? An letting him go and just wait till he gets tired of running people over isnt an option, so that doesn't count.

Yeah this. The thing to remember is that guns and bicycles aren't all that great in a car fight.


Well it seemed guns won over this one. Stopped the perp, not even killing him mind you, and no innocent bystanders shot. Seems like a win to me.
 
2014-07-19 08:47:26 PM  

leadmetal: Once again when it's a cop on a bicycle it's assault with a deadly weapon, when it's not a cop it's an 'accident' or a 'misunderstanding'. If I shot every driver who tried to kill me when I've been bicycling I'd have a longer list than the worst of the wild west gunslingers.


I once caught a guy who buzzed me with my generic go-pro. He went about a half mile up the road, turned around, crossed into my lane and forced me into a ditch. As I was in the ditch, you can see the guy throw trash at me. All of this was was recorded.

The police told me I couldn't press charges because I wasn't injured.
 
2014-07-19 08:47:55 PM  
unirformed officer on bike patrol =/= cyclist who happens to be a cop
 
2014-07-19 08:50:34 PM  
At least OPD are shooting at humans here...
 
2014-07-19 08:51:58 PM  
I know you all won't believe it but Ta'Von ain't did nothing.  What ever I don't even care
 
2014-07-19 08:54:52 PM  
One fired at him at West Amelia and Garland and then 5 more shot at him after he hit two cars at Garland and Colonial.

1+5 = 6.

6 officers opened fire, subby.   I'm guessing only 1 hit their target.
 
2014-07-19 08:55:02 PM  

cretinbob: unirformed officer on bike patrol =/= cyclist who happens to be a cop


Not on Fark.
 
2014-07-19 08:59:22 PM  

Dirty J1: nyseattitude: Grayson drove to West Amelia Street and Garland Avenue, where another OPD officer fired shots at him, she said.

Just kill on sight now?

Well yeah. I'm sure your idea of being nice to the crazy driver would work very well. In this situation, the crazy bastard drove away from cops recklessly, resisted arrest, and attempted to run over an officer. So do tell, genius, what other options do they have in the heat of the moment to stop this crazy bastard? An letting him go and just wait till he gets tired of running people over isnt an option, so that doesn't count.


Just a wild guess, but follow protocol maybe?
Spike strips, shoot the tires out, disable the vehicle. You know, the same stuff police do all the time in these situations. The same protocols that have been proven to be very effective.
 
2014-07-19 09:04:46 PM  

Dirty J1: nyseattitude: Grayson drove to West Amelia Street and Garland Avenue, where another OPD officer fired shots at him, she said.

Just kill on sight now?

Well yeah. I'm sure your idea of being nice to the crazy driver would work very well. In this situation, the crazy bastard drove away from cops recklessly, resisted arrest, and attempted to run over an officer. So do tell, genius, what other options do they have in the heat of the moment to stop this crazy bastard? An letting him go and just wait till he gets tired of running people over isnt an option, so that doesn't count.


Well said !!
 
2014-07-19 09:17:29 PM  

nyseattitude: Dirty J1: nyseattitude: Grayson drove to West Amelia Street and Garland Avenue, where another OPD officer fired shots at him, she said.

Just kill on sight now?

Well yeah. I'm sure your idea of being nice to the crazy driver would work very well. In this situation, the crazy bastard drove away from cops recklessly, resisted arrest, and attempted to run over an officer. So do tell, genius, what other options do they have in the heat of the moment to stop this crazy bastard? An letting him go and just wait till he gets tired of running people over isnt an option, so that doesn't count.

Just a wild guess, but follow protocol maybe?
Spike strips, shoot the tires out, disable the vehicle. You know, the same stuff police do all the time in these situations. The same protocols that have been proven to be very effective.


Yeah spike strips..... Except this was a heat of the moment thing, and even if every cop car carried spike strips, which I doubt they do, I think shooting the guy is more effective and quicker than sauntering over and deploying spike strips while this guy continues driving like crazy and trying to run people over. Not to mention that in order to effectively deploy spike strips, you'd have to have them staged in places that the driver is either most likely to go, they'd have to be ahead of him and know where the crazy fark is going.
 
2014-07-19 09:21:24 PM  
Similar results if you tried running over a member of a Crip or Blood.
 
2014-07-19 09:25:43 PM  

Prey4reign: If Obama had a son, he would have named him Ta'Von.


Another Floridian standing his ground. Justice for Ta'Von.
 
2014-07-19 09:30:19 PM  

Deep Contact: Similar results if you tried running over a member of a Crip or Blood.


No matter what they'd like you to think, it's hard to run over their member without running over the rest of their body.
 
2014-07-19 09:32:01 PM  
T'Von and all other Vulcans living in Florida demand justice!
 
2014-07-19 09:39:29 PM  
Lovely. Open fire a block from my office.

Oh, it was around 2am; that's okay, only drunks and ne'er-do-wells are out at that time anyway.

/fine upstanding citizen
//was asleep at the time
 
2014-07-19 09:45:39 PM  
Will the thin blue line provide the same coverage for cops on skateboards?

/Green Bay officers need to know
 
2014-07-19 09:49:25 PM  
It is unclear whether Grayson was armed. Grayson, who has a lengthy rap sheet, was on probation for a grand-theft-auto conviction out of Orange County in 2012, according to the state Department of Corrections records

So nothing was loss except another democratic vote?
 
2014-07-19 09:51:26 PM  
I happen to know from experience that whatever you try and attempt to do at 1:30AM on a bicycle will very likely end in failure.

Don't ask.

:-\
 
2014-07-19 10:01:13 PM  
So now that I'm living in Baltimore, I'm finally getting around to watching "The Wire." And there's this scene in Season 1 where an idiot cop gets punched in the face by a bad guy. The bad guy gets thrown to the ground and four officers proceed to kick and punch him over and over. And one of the few good cops runs over to the group... and joins in.

So that got me thinking about why.

And I figure it's sort of like Sean Connery's character in "The Untouchables." You have to send a message, otherwise the bad guys are just going to target you. It's not enough to simply arrest the dude and slap an extra charge on him; you have to send a message that, while targeting a civilian is bad, deliberately targeting a cop is going to result in a huge world of hurt. Because if the bad guys don't believe that, pretty soon that thin blue line gets very, very thin... and that's bad for society too.

Now I'd like to think that a better way of handling it would be to pass laws saying that hitting a cop would result in very long prison terms, or some similar consequence that would be an enormous deterrence. But I don't know if that would work. And anyhow, that's not the situation as it stands now. Hitting a cop now gets you a few more years, no big deal to a violent offender who's already looking at decades and figures, well, the memory of knocking that cop's lights out is gonna make a few of those years pass more easily.

I'm absolutely against abuse by police, and I believe there's too much of it going on. *But*... I'm going to be a little slower to be critical of a situation where the bad guy deliberately tried to hurt or kill a cop. It's not just about payback (although I'm sure many officers see it that way). It's about drawing a line, so that cops can do the job without being popped every week.

A cop in the hospital is a cop who can't protect me.
 
2014-07-19 10:12:17 PM  

brimed03: So now that I'm living in Baltimore, I'm finally getting around to watching "The Wire." And there's this scene in Season 1 where an idiot cop gets punched in the face by a bad guy. The bad guy gets thrown to the ground and four officers proceed to kick and punch him over and over. And one of the few good cops runs over to the group... and joins in.

So that got me thinking about why.

And I figure it's sort of like Sean Connery's character in "The Untouchables." You have to send a message, otherwise the bad guys are just going to target you. It's not enough to simply arrest the dude and slap an extra charge on him; you have to send a message that, while targeting a civilian is bad, deliberately targeting a cop is going to result in a huge world of hurt. Because if the bad guys don't believe that, pretty soon that thin blue line gets very, very thin... and that's bad for society too.

Now I'd like to think that a better way of handling it would be to pass laws saying that hitting a cop would result in very long prison terms, or some similar consequence that would be an enormous deterrence. But I don't know if that would work. And anyhow, that's not the situation as it stands now. Hitting a cop now gets you a few more years, no big deal to a violent offender who's already looking at decades and figures, well, the memory of knocking that cop's lights out is gonna make a few of those years pass more easily.

I'm absolutely against abuse by police, and I believe there's too much of it going on. *But*... I'm going to be a little slower to be critical of a situation where the bad guy deliberately tried to hurt or kill a cop. It's not just about payback (although I'm sure many officers see it that way). It's about drawing a line, so that cops can do the job without being popped every week.

A cop in the hospital is a cop who can't protect me.


Supreme Court has ruled that the police don't have an obligation to protect anyone. If you need to be protected, you need to protect yourself. Don't rely on the cops.  They'll probably beat you up or shoot your dog.
 
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