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(KTVU Bay Area News)   More than 30 years ago a World War II veteran began building and maintaining hillside cross made up of thousands of stones, all hand-placed to honor his fellow veterans who never made it home. Now a 15-year-old boy is fighting to keep the area intact   (ktvu.com) divider line 63
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2014-07-19 07:10:43 PM  
built to honor his fellow World War II comrades who never made it home

Suck it, non-Christian dead guys!
 
2014-07-19 09:00:42 PM  

fusillade762: built to honor his fellow World War II comrades who never made it home

Suck it, non-Christian dead guys!


I would generally agree, and would not endorse, say, a city government making a memorial like that. But when it's basically one dude doing it, I'm willing to take it for what it was intended to be.
 
2014-07-19 09:01:45 PM  
This <insert religious icon> made of stone must be preserved because reasons...

/ any bets on whether this kid is a homeschooled xtian?
 
2014-07-19 09:02:54 PM  
hey thanks for shiatting in here Elzar.
 
2014-07-19 09:09:55 PM  
Private land, private party, they are relatively free to do what they want.
 
2014-07-19 09:10:04 PM  
"Two years ago Kannisto spoke to KTVU after he'd been told by the property owner that he could no longer go up on the hill to maintain the cross.  He said there were liability issues."

If you want to build a monument, fine. But do it on your own farking property!
 
2014-07-19 09:20:37 PM  
Two years ago Kannisto spoke to KTVU after he'd been told by the property owner that he could no longer go up on the hill to maintain the cross.  He said there were liability issues.

If you are a private person on private property, I have no concern for what memorials are built, and though I think the cross is presumptive of the beliefs of fellow veterans I have no problem thinking highly of the effort and sentiment, but this has to be private property with permission. Rather than try to berate or guilt a property owner into allowing others he knows little about onto his property, why not simply move the display?
 
2014-07-19 09:33:39 PM  

fusillade762: built to honor his fellow World War II comrades who never made it home

Suck it, non-Christian dead guys!


How did I know the first set of comments would be about this.

Fark all y'all.

/Good kid. Great man.
 
2014-07-19 09:35:43 PM  
It doesn't sound like the property owner is being a jerk, the dude is 96 years old, and they're probably worried about him climbing up the hill.

I'm not that religious, but a cross, and notice this cross looks more like a Red Cross kind of cross, has been a memorial-type symbol for a long time, I have no issues with that, and if anything, I think it's cool that a 15 year old, that society wants me to believe only cares about playing video games and messaging on snap chat, would take on this campaign.
 
2014-07-19 09:39:59 PM  
Hello?  This needs to be stopped now.  How long before we are forcing people to subscribe to a particular set of beliefs.
 
2014-07-19 09:42:09 PM  
"See if I'm able to take care of it. I feel it is my duty after I've enjoyed it for so many years," the teen said. "It makes me feel important that I started something."

remember jesus requires good works and symbolism to save you.

wait what?
 
2014-07-19 09:42:36 PM  
Local teen bugs his neighbors with a petition to allow him to trespass on somebody else's property.
 
2014-07-19 09:45:48 PM  
brb, going to go build a star of david in palestine. will someone cover me? tatsuma?
 
2014-07-19 09:54:35 PM  
It makes the teen feel important that he started something?  This isn't his monument, this isn't his property, and it's not his decision to make if it stays or goes.  If he walked up there I doubt he even had permission from the landowner to do that.   That kid has issues.
 
2014-07-19 09:55:02 PM  

Jaden Smith First of His Name: Local teen bugs his neighbors with a petition to allow him to trespass on somebody else's property.


Yeah the kid should spend his time more productively trying to bang a 15 y/0 girl.
 
2014-07-19 09:55:17 PM  
Right on cue, fark's fedora brigade...
 
2014-07-19 09:56:16 PM  
Elderly convinces youngster to keep believing in nonsense, because dead people.
 
2014-07-19 09:57:17 PM  

utah dude: brb, going to go build a star of david in palestine. will someone cover me? tatsuma?


There is no such place as Palestine.  Its existence is a legal fiction.  The entire place belongs to the Jews.  The Old Testament says so and I've studied up on this.
 
2014-07-19 10:07:32 PM  

fusillade762: built to honor his fellow World War II comrades who never made it home

Suck it, non-Christian dead guys!


Meh. It's a monument to the dead in general, and not really an advertisement for Christianity per se. Big whoop. I'm an atheist and it doesn't bother me. I guess maybe it's because I can look upon Christian symbolism in cases like this the same way I look at a Buddhist shrine or even Greek ruins: I appreciate the symbolism, art, and thought that goes into it without assuming that it imposes upon me. Granted now when it's something like the Ten Commandments outside of a courthouse that imposes some sort if sectarian law and clearly violates the separation of church and state as it interferes with the governments functions and destroys equality, yeah, fark that.

But a reminder of the dead who actually DID die for us to secure freedom, and that one day we may have to do it all over again? Keep it up for all to see.

Besides, crosses as markers of the dead May have its roots in Christianity, but it has transcended the religion to act as a generic icon for our culture in general. Just as I don't celebrate Christmas to mark the birth of Christ, I also don't give our presents because of farking Saturn either.
 
2014-07-19 10:14:27 PM  

Zizzowop: It doesn't sound like the property owner is being a jerk, the dude is 96 years old, and they're probably worried about him climbing up the hill.


That^

My take is that the property owner said no to the 96 year old, but is fine with the kid doing it. The kid sounds like he is making the petition so that the cross can be done in such a way that it doesn't require too much maintenance, ie like asking for funds to put varnish on a wooden object to preserve it.
 
2014-07-19 10:15:34 PM  
Reality: Old guy creates monument to dead war buddies. Neighbor doesn't allow him to access property after old guy gets too old to make trip safely. Old guy's grandkid wants access so he and friends can keep up old guy's monument in his memory.

Farkality: Harharhar, invisible sky wizards, private property rights, Jews/Palestine, jeezus, religious discrimination, whargarble, derpderpderp!

That about do it?
 
2014-07-19 10:19:13 PM  
fark CHRISTIANS! IN THE ASS!


/am I doing this right?
 
2014-07-19 10:22:04 PM  
If my muslim buddy decides to light an extra candle on the Torah for me on Ramadan, who am I to complain? appreciate the sentiment bud, and may Avesta look over you as well.
 
2014-07-19 10:37:43 PM  

Frank N Stein: Right on cue, fark's fedora brigade...


Dude I'm a godless asshole who enjoys making fun of religious bullshiat and even I hope the property owner lets the kid go up to maintain it. This whole thread reeks of Poe.
 
2014-07-19 10:55:03 PM  

Elzar: This <insert religious icon> made of stone must be preserved because reasons...

/ any bets on whether this kid is a homeschooled xtian?


lol

The jerk store called.
 
2014-07-19 11:03:28 PM  

Gyrfalcon: Reality: Old guy creates monument to dead war buddies. Neighbor doesn't allow him to access property after old guy gets too old to make trip safely. Old guy's grandkid wants access so he and friends can keep up old guy's monument in his memory.

Farkality: Harharhar, invisible sky wizards, private property rights, Jews/Palestine, jeezus, religious discrimination, whargarble, derpderpderp!

That about do it?


Lemme see here ... mumble mumble, private citizen ... yadda yadda yadda, private property .... blah blah blah .... yep, looks like you have it covered.
 
2014-07-19 11:09:00 PM  

TanSau: Frank N Stein: Right on cue, fark's fedora brigade...

You sound home schooled.


You sound euphoric

Egoy3k: Frank N Stein: Right on cue, fark's fedora brigade...

Dude I'm a godless asshole who enjoys making fun of religious bullshiat and even I hope the property owner lets the kid go up to maintain it. This whole thread reeks of Poe.


Maybe you're right.
 
2014-07-19 11:17:45 PM  
Good on him, I say.
 
2014-07-19 11:31:32 PM  

Yogimus: If my muslim buddy decides to light an extra candle on the Torah for me on Ramadan, who am I to complain? appreciate the sentiment bud, and may Avesta look over you as well.


Is Avesta that new sugar substitute in Dr Pepper Ten?
 
2014-07-19 11:37:41 PM  

Frank N Stein: Right on cue, fark's fedora brigade...

fedora brigade...


What is the "fedora brigade"?
 
2014-07-19 11:46:25 PM  
I live near this cross and see it on a regular basis. It is HUGE and was made on a clear hill very high up (for this area). It can be seen for miles. It may or may not have been a religious thing, but everyone who sees it assumes it is. I would be happy to see it taken down and a lot of other people would be too.
 
2014-07-19 11:53:35 PM  

jaytkay: Frank N Stein: Right on cue, fark's fedora brigade...

fedora brigade...

What is the "fedora brigade"?


img.fark.net
 
2014-07-19 11:57:24 PM  
Not to far from there another memorial but for the Iraq war. It is on private property but the city was up in arms about it. I think they have accepted it and turned the other cheek.

img.fark.net
 
2014-07-19 11:59:26 PM  

Claude Ballse: fusillade762: built to honor his fellow World War II comrades who never made it home

Suck it, non-Christian dead guys!

Meh. It's a monument to the dead in general, and not really an advertisement for Christianity per se. Big whoop. I'm an atheist and it doesn't bother me. I guess maybe it's because I can look upon Christian symbolism in cases like this the same way I look at a Buddhist shrine or even Greek ruins: I appreciate the symbolism, art, and thought that goes into it without assuming that it imposes upon me. Granted now when it's something like the Ten Commandments outside of a courthouse that imposes some sort if sectarian law and clearly violates the separation of church and state as it interferes with the governments functions and destroys equality, yeah, fark that.

But a reminder of the dead who actually DID die for us to secure freedom, and that one day we may have to do it all over again? Keep it up for all to see.

Besides, crosses as markers of the dead May have its roots in Christianity, but it has transcended the religion to act as a generic icon for our culture in general. Just as I don't celebrate Christmas to mark the birth of Christ, I also don't give our presents because of farking Saturn either.


Preach it. Or whatever.
 
2014-07-20 12:00:01 AM  

Frank N Stein: jaytkay: Frank N Stein: Right on cue, fark's fedora brigade...

fedora brigade...

What is the "fedora brigade"?

[img.fark.net image 548x579]


I don't get it. Who is "aaleweis"?
 
2014-07-20 12:01:57 AM  

jaytkay: Frank N Stein: jaytkay: Frank N Stein: Right on cue, fark's fedora brigade...

fedora brigade...

What is the "fedora brigade"?

[img.fark.net image 548x579]

I don't get it. Who is "aaleweis"?


I dunno. Some kid on reddit's r/atheism I think. It's were the epic euphoric fedora meme came from. Don't ask questions, just get with the farking program.
 
2014-07-20 12:07:55 AM  

Claude Ballse: Meh. It's a monument to the dead in general, and not really an advertisement for Christianity per se. Big whoop. I'm an atheist and it doesn't bother me.


I don't think people are making fun of the statement because the cross "bothers them".

It's because an ignorant old man of the type who is worshipped in the USA (because war) said he's honouring the dead by doing exactly what is typical of both the right and left wing there - pretending anyone who's not a Christian doesn't really exist, and that if they do happen to exist they can comfortably subsumed into gestures made to Christians because their religion isn't really real, either, is it?

You can't just hand wave it away with "Oh, this explicitly Christian symbol is for the dead non-Christians too, everyone knows that."  Just admit the ignorant old man is an ignorant old man and his attitude was once considered okay but is now worthy of derision.  You don't have to lave his balls with your tongue just because once upon a time something war something patriot America fark yeah.

Claude Ballse: Besides, crosses as markers of the dead May have its roots in Christianity, but it has transcended the religion to act as a generic icon for our culture in general


How about instead of telling non-Christians that "culture" has decided that Christian crosses stand for them too and they should be totally okay with their actual religion being erased from the public eye, you come up with a new symbol to honour your war dead?

/You can even use a poppy if you're too lazy to think of something original
 
2014-07-20 12:13:05 AM  

if_i_really_have_to: Claude Ballse: Meh. It's a monument to the dead in general, and not really an advertisement for Christianity per se. Big whoop. I'm an atheist and it doesn't bother me.

I don't think people are making fun of the statement because the cross "bothers them".

It's because an ignorant old man of the type who is worshipped in the USA (because war) said he's honouring the dead by doing exactly what is typical of both the right and left wing there - pretending anyone who's not a Christian doesn't really exist, and that if they do happen to exist they can comfortably subsumed into gestures made to Christians because their religion isn't really real, either, is it?

You can't just hand wave it away with "Oh, this explicitly Christian symbol is for the dead non-Christians too, everyone knows that."  Just admit the ignorant old man is an ignorant old man and his attitude was once considered okay but is now worthy of derision.  You don't have to lave his balls with your tongue just because once upon a time something war something patriot America fark yeah.

Claude Ballse: Besides, crosses as markers of the dead May have its roots in Christianity, but it has transcended the religion to act as a generic icon for our culture in general

How about instead of telling non-Christians that "culture" has decided that Christian crosses stand for them too and they should be totally okay with their actual religion being erased from the public eye, you come up with a new symbol to honour your war dead?

/You can even use a poppy if you're too lazy to think of something original


Why do you keep calling the guy ignorant?
 
2014-07-20 12:17:00 AM  

Egoy3k: Frank N Stein: Right on cue, fark's fedora brigade...

Dude I'm a godless asshole who enjoys making fun of religious bullshiat and even I hope the property owner lets the kid go up to maintain it. This whole thread reeks of Poe.


^^Yep, I agree, and I'm NOT a godless a-hole, but I would agree with one any day of the week when it makes sense.
 
2014-07-20 01:07:35 AM  
Link for the cross location on google maps...


https:/­/w­ww*googl­e*ca­/ma­p­s­/­[nospam-﹫-backwards]8­3*4­768031,-122.6362232


Just if you wanted to see it
 
2014-07-20 01:34:00 AM  

RoughriderUT: Link for the cross location on google maps...


that is big.
 
2014-07-20 01:43:56 AM  
This is the correct symbol for remembering war dead

s30.postimg.org
 
2014-07-20 02:14:56 AM  

Frank N Stein: if_i_really_have_to: Claude Ballse: Meh. It's a monument to the dead in general, and not really an advertisement for Christianity per se. Big whoop. I'm an atheist and it doesn't bother me.

I don't think people are making fun of the statement because the cross "bothers them".

It's because an ignorant old man of the type who is worshipped in the USA (because war) said he's honouring the dead by doing exactly what is typical of both the right and left wing there - pretending anyone who's not a Christian doesn't really exist, and that if they do happen to exist they can comfortably subsumed into gestures made to Christians because their religion isn't really real, either, is it?

You can't just hand wave it away with "Oh, this explicitly Christian symbol is for the dead non-Christians too, everyone knows that."  Just admit the ignorant old man is an ignorant old man and his attitude was once considered okay but is now worthy of derision.  You don't have to lave his balls with your tongue just because once upon a time something war something patriot America fark yeah.

Claude Ballse: Besides, crosses as markers of the dead May have its roots in Christianity, but it has transcended the religion to act as a generic icon for our culture in general

How about instead of telling non-Christians that "culture" has decided that Christian crosses stand for them too and they should be totally okay with their actual religion being erased from the public eye, you come up with a new symbol to honour your war dead?

/You can even use a poppy if you're too lazy to think of something original

Why do you keep calling the guy ignorant?


I'd like to know that as well. Where are you getting the idea he's pretending other religions don't exist and telling non-Christians to f*ck off?
 
2014-07-20 02:47:57 AM  

Kittypie070: hey thanks for shiatting in here Elzar.


euw.leagueoflegends.com
 
2014-07-20 03:59:04 AM  
If this were a symbol of Islam, Eric Holder would have already had it declared protected free speech and Obama would have budgeted 20 million for its upkeep.
 
2014-07-20 04:17:19 AM  

jaytkay: Frank N Stein: Right on cue, fark's fedora brigade...

fedora brigade...

What is the "fedora brigade"?


It's the Fark God-botherer's latest attempt to portray atheists as hipsters.
 
2014-07-20 04:46:22 AM  
Way to turn into the assholes you despise, Fark atheists.

That'll show 'em.
 
2014-07-20 05:36:02 AM  

420Gabriel: I live near this cross and see it on a regular basis. It is HUGE and was made on a clear hill very high up (for this area). It can be seen for miles. It may or may not have been a religious thing, but everyone who sees it assumes it is. I would be happy to see it taken down and a lot of other people would be too.


Says a guy who loves Hitler .
 
2014-07-20 07:18:49 AM  

Ed Grubermann: jaytkay: Frank N Stein: Right on cue, fark's fedora brigade...

fedora brigade...

What is the "fedora brigade"?

It's the Fark God-botherer's latest attempt to portray atheists as hipsters.


Not all atheists are such people. Just the whiny judgmental insecure twats who think they need to shiat all over things like this. Most atheists are normal, fine people, just like most religious people. But it's the pricks - atheist and faithful - who need, and get, a lot of attention.
 
2014-07-20 12:37:43 PM  

Claude Ballse: fusillade762: built to honor his fellow World War II comrades who never made it home

Suck it, non-Christian dead guys!

Meh. It's a monument to the dead in general, and not really an advertisement for Christianity per se. Big whoop. I'm an atheist and it doesn't bother me. I guess maybe it's because I can look upon Christian symbolism in cases like this the same way I look at a Buddhist shrine or even Greek ruins: I appreciate the symbolism, art, and thought that goes into it without assuming that it imposes upon me. Granted now when it's something like the Ten Commandments outside of a courthouse that imposes some sort if sectarian law and clearly violates the separation of church and state as it interferes with the governments functions and destroys equality, yeah, fark that.


Heh...here in godless liberal Massachusetts, we have at least one courthouse with the Ten Commandments INSIDE the building, right up behind the judge, covering most of the wall.  Nobody seems to mind terribly much.  Didn't bother me when I practiced there, and I'm pretty opposed to most organized religion.

Of course, it's a holdover from the 1800's...I'm not a big fan of ADDING that stuff to public buildings.  Save it for your mosque/temple/church/Altar of Elemental Evil.
 
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