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(ABC7 Los Angeles)   Southern California deaf couple and their children "SWATted" by gun-wielding deputies after acquaintance sends hoax message over Skype... from Australia. No word on payback involving Dingos, Lord Humungus   (abc7.com) divider line 75
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2014-07-19 07:54:18 PM  

CruiserTwelve: dajoro: Cops have become a menace.

How about "people that make fake calls with the intent of causing the police to respond in an emergent manner and think it's a joke" have become a menace?

How would you have expected the police to respond to this type of call? Just blow it off because it might be phony? Or maybe just knock on the door and ask politely "excuse me, are there people here holding someone at gunpoint? We'd like to speak to them."


And since when is it proper procedure to storm a house in force without knowing anything at all about the situation? Farking over militarized blockhead retards.

Why do you think police departments spend all that money on covert surveillance gear for their SWAT teams?
So they can find out what the hell is going on, before they storm the place and kill everyone and their dogs anyhow.
 
2014-07-19 07:57:29 PM  

ArmednHammered: And since when is it proper procedure to storm a house in force without knowing anything at all about the situation? Farking over militarized blockhead retards.


Since Columbine. Not being saracastic at all. You convince the police there is an active shooter trying to murder someone and kidnap their kids, they're going to storm the house.
 
2014-07-19 08:00:48 PM  

ArmednHammered: And since when is it proper procedure to storm a house in force without knowing anything at all about the situation?


Where in the article does it say they "stormed a house in force?"

Most police agencies, even the larger ones, don't have SWAT teams on duty 24/7. When they're needed they call them out and it takes a while to get them to the scene. No cops are going to "storm a house without knowing anything at all about a situation." That would be dangerous and stupid for everybody involved, including the cops.

In this case it appears some uniform cops went to the house and made contact with the residents, then probably performed a search of the house to make sure the call was false.
 
2014-07-19 08:22:48 PM  

CruiserTwelve: ArmednHammered: And since when is it proper procedure to storm a house in force without knowing anything at all about the situation?

Where in the article does it say they "stormed a house in force?"

Most police agencies, even the larger ones, don't have SWAT teams on duty 24/7. When they're needed they call them out and it takes a while to get them to the scene. No cops are going to "storm a house without knowing anything at all about a situation." That would be dangerous and stupid for everybody involved, including the cops.

In this case it appears some uniform cops went to the house and made contact with the residents, then probably performed a search of the house to make sure the call was false.


The homeowners got lucky this time. Many raids don't end that well.
http://www.cato.org/raidmap

And don't piss and whine about the source. It was the second of many to come up in a search for "Police raid wrong address" Sorry CruiserTwelve, but if you guys can't even be bothered to verify an address before attacking, you should turn in your guns and badges.

For the record, I have nothing against honest cops. It's just damned hard to find one anymore.
 
2014-07-19 08:29:06 PM  

hardinparamedic: ArmednHammered: And since when is it proper procedure to storm a house in force without knowing anything at all about the situation? Farking over militarized blockhead retards.

Since Columbine. Not being saracastic at all. You convince the police there is an active shooter trying to murder someone and kidnap their kids, they're going to storm the house.


I'll take the lumps for not reading the article, this is fark after all. Columbine was a school with hundred(s) of potential victims, not a single family private residence. See also my answer to C12 above.

Did you happen to see the story about the raid on a house where the cops threw a flash bang into a baby crib? Aren't you glad you didn't have to respond to that one?
 
2014-07-19 08:36:32 PM  

lasercannon: Picture of a deaf and blind kidnapped girl looks like
[upload.wikimedia.org image 261x331]
and a picture of her Australian kidnapper

[i.dailymail.co.uk image 306x459]

Be on the lookout, anyone with information please call the FBI


Suspect is not wearing a hat. Repeat -- SUSPECT IS HATLESS
 
2014-07-19 08:41:52 PM  

skinink: Jeebus, in Austrailia even Skype tries to kill people.


I lol'd too hard at this:)
 
2014-07-19 08:42:10 PM  

ArmednHammered: And since when is it proper procedure to storm a house in force without knowing anything at all about the situation?


If you want to criticize the cops, you have to show that the call about the kidnapping was somehow so obviously false that they shouldn't have taken it seriously. So long as it seemed plausible, though, you can't really fault the police for what they did.

Situations where a person might be in immediate danger calls for immediate action rather than a "Let's just wait and see what happens" approach.
 
2014-07-19 08:42:34 PM  

Djorra: lasercannon: Picture of a deaf and blind kidnapped girl looks like
(IMAGE)
and a picture of her Australian Austrian kidnapper
(IMAGE)
Be on the lookout, anyone with information please call the FBI

/FTFY


Welcome to Fark.

i.imgur.com
 
2014-07-19 08:44:27 PM  

ArmednHammered: Did you happen to see the story about the raid on a house where the cops threw a flash bang into a baby crib? Aren't you glad you didn't have to respond to that one?


The cops followed standard procedure and were unaware of the presence of the crib. They also began caring for the child as soon as they realized what had happened. But cops are all pigs, right?
 
2014-07-19 08:54:22 PM  

CruiserTwelve: Resident Muslim: Investigate? Find any justifiable evidence? Even anything suspicious?

Sounds like that's exactly what they did.


I'm sorry, where does the article mention anything about them finding any evidence that warrants a residence entry?
And "at gunpoint"?

Like I said, is a (skype) phone call all that is necessary for police to enter an abode?


/Article doesn't even mention a search warrant.
//awkwardly written article is awkward
 
2014-07-19 09:06:51 PM  

ArmednHammered: And don't piss and whine about the source. It was the second of many to come up in a search for "Police raid wrong address" Sorry CruiserTwelve, but if you guys can't even be bothered to verify an address before attacking, you should turn in your guns and badges.


So when the current article doesn't provide enough evidence to support your opinion, so you have to dig up another case?
 
2014-07-19 09:10:27 PM  

Resident Muslim: I'm sorry, where does the article mention anything about them finding any evidence that warrants a residence entry?And "at gunpoint"?Like I said, is a (skype) phone call all that is necessary for police to enter an abode?/Article doesn't even mention a search warrant.//awkwardly written article is awkward


As usual, the article doesn't provide enough facts to warrant any specific conclusion. Those who choose to do so will fill in the gaps in a manner that supports their biases.

My guess, based on my experience, is that they got the call and thought "This sounds like bullshiat but we're obligated to check it out to make sure." They then went to the house, talked to the occupants and asked if they could check the house just to make sure everything was good.
 
2014-07-19 09:12:10 PM  

Resident Muslim: I'm sorry, where does the article mention anything about them finding any evidence that warrants a residence entry?


At the time of the search, all they  had to go on was a call that indicated that a person might be in immediate danger. Whether or not that eventually turned out to be a hoax is irrelevant - they can obviously only act on information that they have at the time, and not information that they'll only have in the future.
 
2014-07-19 09:31:18 PM  

CruiserTwelve: My guess, based on my experience, is that they got the call and thought "This sounds like bullshiat but we're obligated to check it out to make sure." They then went to the house, talked to the occupants and asked if they could check the house just to make sure everything was good.


What sets this call apart is that the person apparently claimed to be the actual victim and then gave details which could be immediately disproven if false. A hoax like this, once proven to be a hoax, would be much more devastating for the culprit than, say, a vague "I see some guys acting suspicious" call because there's no plausible deniability - once you ascertain that the thing in question didn't happen you immediately know that the person's lying with malicious intent. Even being all the way in Australia isn't going to be enough to save this person from legal consequences, I imagine.

It would take an extraordinarily brazen and stupid person to try a hoax like this, which is why I wouldn't hold it against the cops for not immediately rushing to that conclusion when they first heard the call.
 
2014-07-19 11:06:28 PM  

Tobin_Lam: ArmednHammered: Did you happen to see the story about the raid on a house where the cops threw a flash bang into a baby crib? Aren't you glad you didn't have to respond to that one?

The cops followed standard procedure and were unaware of the presence of the crib. They also began caring for the child as soon as they realized what had happened. But cops are all pigs, right?


Standard procedures written by gung-ho jack booted thugs on their police force.
No excuse.
The presumably responsible adults on that team decided it was time for a little ultra violence (a full on SWAT raid to arrest some alleged two bit dealer that wasn't even there), and a toddler paid the price for it.
Sure, they started caring for the kid. Probably after they spent a few seconds considering a 'good, clean finishing shot,' but then one of them realized that would get them in worse trouble.
Oh, he'll, you're probably trolling. What those cops did was indefensible, and even cops know it.
1) it was wrong to stage a military raid for such a routine arrest.
2) it was wrong to not know where the suspect actually was.
3) it was wrong not to know who was in the house.
4) it was wrong to throw a flash bang blindly and without reason.

Procedures are no excuse for any of those things.
 
2014-07-19 11:14:41 PM  

ArmednHammered: Did you happen to see the story about the raid on a house where the cops threw a flash bang into a baby crib? Aren't you glad you didn't have to respond to that one?


I'm not too familiar with that case other than the sensational parts.. But yeah, there's no excuse for throwing a flashbang into a baby crib.
 
2014-07-19 11:53:53 PM  

hardinparamedic: Djorra: lasercannon: Picture of a deaf and blind kidnapped girl looks like
(IMAGE)
and a picture of her Australian Austrian kidnapper
(IMAGE)
Be on the lookout, anyone with information please call the FBI

/FTFY

[x4.fjcdn.com image 160x120]

[upload.wikimedia.org image 241x188]

dajoro: Cops have become a menace.  Tasering old ladies, bombing babies, shooting dogs in their yard, shooting up kidnap victims, punching women in the road, pushing over people in wheel chairs, using SWAT techniques for drug raids on the wrong house, shooting homeless people in the back, shooting up minivans full of children, etc.  You think giving thugs guns, power over the populace, and the ability to kill innocents would turn out better.  And giving redneck cops military vehicles, why, nothing could go wrong with that.  Because most cops aren't mostly corrupt.  At.  All.

There's a perfect solution to this. Repeal the second amendment, and disarm the American population - only people on farms and competitors who have been vetted should have access to firearms, other than the military, and even then they should be restricted to a small amount of types. Then we can have all the unarmed policing that everyone points to history and Europe about. (Well, incorrectly, really.)

This is an agreeable, I assume?


This may shock you, but if you try to exercise your Second Amendment "rights" on a cop, you will end up dead, either by the needle or sudden lead poisoning.
 
GBB
2014-07-20 12:10:03 AM  
And my agency wants to implement this text-to-911 project where, just like it sounds, you can send text messages to 911.

"WTF would you want this to be a thing?", I ask.  This is just begging to be abused.
 
2014-07-20 02:41:07 AM  

CruiserTwelve: Resident Muslim: I'm sorry, where does the article mention anything about them finding any evidence that warrants a residence entry?And "at gunpoint"?Like I said, is a (skype) phone call all that is necessary for police to enter an abode?/Article doesn't even mention a search warrant.//awkwardly written article is awkward

As usual, the article doesn't provide enough facts to warrant any specific conclusion. Those who choose to do so will fill in the gaps in a manner that supports their biases.

My guess, based on my experience, is that they got the call and thought "This sounds like bullshiat but we're obligated to check it out to make sure." They then went to the house, talked to the occupants and asked if they could check the house just to make sure everything was good.


One thing that the article DOES mention is the drawn guns.

That (to me) doesn't fit with your scenario of Talking to the occupants and making sure everything was good.

But like you said, filling in the gaps to support biases.

/has great respect for people serving
//no respect for abusers of power
///has family in the force
 
2014-07-20 04:39:55 AM  

Resident Muslim: One thing that the article DOES mention is the drawn guns.That (to me) doesn't fit with your scenario of Talking to the occupants and making sure everything was good.


The cops still have to be cautious when checking the house so I don't blame them for having their guns at the ready. That still doesn't equate to "storming the house by force" as it has been described in this thread.
 
2014-07-20 08:24:47 AM  

lasercannon: Picture of a deaf and blind kidnapped girl looks like

and a picture of her Australian kidnapper



Be on the lookout, anyone with information please call the FBI


Uh, why a pic of Amelia Earhart and Groucho Marx?
 
2014-07-20 08:46:34 AM  

CruiserTwelve: Resident Muslim: One thing that the article DOES mention is the drawn guns.That (to me) doesn't fit with your scenario of Talking to the occupants and making sure everything was good.

The cops still have to be cautious when checking the house so I don't blame them for having their guns at the ready. That still doesn't equate to "storming the house by force" as it has been described in this thread.


You're why people are starting to hate police.  And by starting to hate, I mean vast swaths of the American public wouldn't piss on a cop to put him out if he was on fire.

I'm not talking about criminals either, I'm talking about good law abiding citizens who just happen to personally know someone who's been bent over and given the big blue shaft.  You've been at it for so long, and been too busy making so many excuses for the shiatty behavior to notice that the more aggressive of you have touched just too many lives.  Too many of us have been personally effected by abusive police behavior, and too many of us have actually have people we love die and the perp get to walk away because of that damned blue line, code, whatever you call it.

I would normally finish off here with something you can do to change the worsening situation, but having read FARK for many moons now I've formed the opinion that you're one of the bad ones C12, so I'll just tell you to fark off and don't feel surprised when good people passively watch some situations happen when before they would have provided needed assistance.
 
2014-07-20 09:14:32 AM  

LoneWolf343: This may shock you, but if you try to exercise your Second Amendment "rights" on a cop, you will end up dead, either by the needle or sudden lead poisoning.


This may also shock you, but you absolutely missed the point of that statement. I never advocated exercising my second amendment rights on a cop. That wasn't what I said at all.

As long as Americans have wide ownership of firearms on a personal level, there will never be a chance in hell that we will have unarmed patrol officers, like the UK.
 
2014-07-20 10:40:40 PM  

neomunk: You're why people are starting to hate police.


Can you at least be a little more specific about what I said that offended you?
 
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