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(Scientific American)   There is nothing to stop the Chinese from messing with Neil Armstrong's footprints on the moon. Except for Clara Moskowitz   (scientificamerican.com) divider line 45
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2014-07-19 02:34:36 PM
Has other plans...
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2014-07-19 02:41:34 PM
But the U.S planted a flag there!!!

IT"S OURS, BABY!!!!
 
2014-07-19 03:35:26 PM
So no nation can claim sovereignty over a celestial body. Well, I'm no nation, so can I claim something? I want the sun.
 
2014-07-19 03:54:35 PM

Errk: But the U.S planted a flag there!!!

IT"S OURS, BABY!!!!


The fact that there is next to no magnetic field around the moon and ours doesn't extend that far, that flag would have been bleached white within months of it being planted there, so in actual fact the french now have a solid claim for the moon.
 
2014-07-19 03:55:34 PM
Well, if we hadn't lost our space program to idiocy, war profiteering, and apathy we might have been able to protect the site ourselves with people present there.
 
2014-07-19 03:56:36 PM
No space agency would mess with our areas

It is part of human culture, not just part of our culture

The first ones there are always celebrated. We in North American cannot shut up about Columbus even though it was the English who came to dominate north America

Plus the wrath we would wrought upon them for such a disrespect would be incentive enough for preservation until drunkards land on the moon
 
2014-07-19 03:58:02 PM

Taxbongo: No space agency would mess with our areas

It is part of human culture, not just part of our culture

The first ones there are always celebrated. We in North American cannot shut up about Columbus even though it was the English who came to dominate north America

Plus the wrath we would wrought upon them for such a disrespect would be incentive enough for preservation until drunkards land on the moon


Also him being the instigator of several genocides in the Americas after he landed (killing the men, selling the women and children into slavery and so on)
 
2014-07-19 04:02:44 PM

Taxbongo: No space agency would mess with our areas

It is part of human culture, not just part of our culture


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2014-07-19 04:07:24 PM

naughtyrev: So no nation can claim sovereignty over a celestial body. Well, I'm no nation, so can I claim something? I want the sun.


Ah, but individuals can claim sovereignty, which will allow corporations to take control of other planets!

/don't actually care if corporations lead colonization efforts
//at least somebody will be doing it
 
2014-07-19 04:08:41 PM
Just how much would some idiot pay for those "souvenirs" at auction if they managed to bring them back. People will complain but someone is always willing to buy even on the black market.
 
2014-07-19 04:20:38 PM
I have to say, as someone born around the time of the first landing, it is depressing how little we've accomplished in space since then. Growing up I fully expected to be able to travel to the moon in my lifetime. Not looking real promising right now.
 
2014-07-19 04:25:00 PM
So what they're speculating is that the Chinamen are gonna send their actors to mess with our abandoned "moon" set?
 
2014-07-19 04:32:53 PM

Taxbongo: No space agency would mess with our areas

It is part of human culture, not just part of our culture


Doesn't matter. If it breaks with another culture's ideals, they will destroy it on principle.  Whoever controls the history controls the narrative.  If China takes it and destroys that area, erasing any history before, they are now the de facto ones who went to the moon.  Especially as it will feed their narrative about being great, and so on.

The first ones there are always celebrated. We in North American cannot shut up about Columbus even though it was the English who came to dominate north America

Which is why this continent is called Vinland, not North America.
 
2014-07-19 04:37:53 PM

Errk: But the U.S planted a flag there!!!

IT"S OURS, BABY!!!!


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2014-07-19 04:48:44 PM
Diapers.
 
2014-07-19 04:49:48 PM
I actually wrote in grad school about the idea of extending international protection to the moon landing site as a cultural landscape. It's an absolute travesty that we don't have a framework in place to protect such a significant feature. Both the NRHP and UNESCO protection aren't up to the task.
 
2014-07-19 04:56:09 PM

naughtyrev: So no nation can claim sovereignty over a celestial body. Well, I'm no nation, so can I claim something? I want the sun.


As soon as you can safely plant foot on it it's yours.
 
2014-07-19 05:09:33 PM

sparkeyjames: naughtyrev: So no nation can claim sovereignty over a celestial body. Well, I'm no nation, so can I claim something? I want the sun.

As soon as you can safely plant foot on it it's yours.




Only so long as your there to defend you're claim.
Once yore gone its anyone's game.

/what we signed is a gentlemen's agreement that lasts till someone finds something worth defending out there.
/then its all landmines and barbed wire again, same as usual.
/FARK you apple, spell check, grammar nazis, apostrophes, English language.
 
2014-07-19 05:17:43 PM

Taxbongo: No space agency would mess with our areas

It is part of human culture, not just part of our culture

The first ones there are always celebrated. We in North American cannot shut up about Columbus even though it was the English who came to dominate north America

Plus the wrath we would wrought upon them for such a disrespect would be incentive enough for preservation until drunkards land on the moon


Are you kidding?  Take a look what people have done to priceless cultural artifacts on Earth, for stupid reasons , for greedy reasons and for terrible ones

Tourists paint graffiti on Pyramids
Temple statues looted and sold at auction
Taliban dynamite Buddhist statues

The Apollo sites will last months at best once space tourism starts- the footprints and the like are just piles of dust, amazingly fragile and will be obliterated by careless tourists.  The black market will be flooded with bags of "Moon dust from Apollo 11 site" and bits of the lander, and somewhere along the line some idiot will decide that they offend his God, or country, or family and drop a bomb on them.
 
2014-07-19 05:27:53 PM

Glockenspiel Hero: The Apollo sites will last months at best once space tourism starts


It's spectacularly expensive to put a human into space, let alone land them on the moon and then get them off again.  Plus nothing says tacky like raiding a national treasure.
 
2014-07-19 05:41:45 PM
Marcus Aurelius:   Plus nothing says tacky like raiding a national treasure.

what a raid on a national treasure may look like:

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2014-07-19 05:42:36 PM
On Apollo 12 in late 1969 Alan Bean visited the Surveyor 3 landing site and brought parts of the lander back to earth, so the "keep sites pristine" thing has already been messed with, by the U.S.

Apollo 12 - Surveyor 3

Keeping the Apollo 11 and 17 sites pristine would be desirable due to the significance of those sites.
 
2014-07-19 05:48:27 PM

Marcus Aurelius: Plus nothing says tacky like raiding a national treasure.


...and yet we do it on a regular basis, here on Earth, precisely because one person's tacky is another person's EXTREEEME! Chinese tourists scratching their friggin' names into the pyramids, American soldiers scratching friggin' their names into Babylon, tourists from all over littering, pissing, and damaging everything from Teotihuacan to Mount Everest - for every thousand of us that holds these few tenuous threads into our shared past in respect, there's one abject asshole who thinks he or she should push that millennia-old rock formation over to a rebel yell.

Money doesn't mean squat - yes, it will serve as a filter to limit some of the potential stupidity, but, let's face it, it won't limit all of it. We're selfish, tribal morons, eager to mark the tree if it means showing off our prowess - and, let's face it, many of the rich became rich through that very prowess. I think that it'll be a "when", not an "if", sadly.
 
2014-07-19 05:49:05 PM
Clara is hot...that is all.
/space nerd
 
2014-07-19 05:54:00 PM
All the Moon is yours except the Apollo sites.

Attempt no landing there.
 
2014-07-19 05:55:06 PM

sparkeyjames: naughtyrev: So no nation can claim sovereignty over a celestial body. Well, I'm no nation, so can I claim something? I want the sun.

As soon as you can safely plant foot on it it's yours.


Go at night.
 
2014-07-19 06:03:17 PM

Taxbongo: No space agency would mess with our areas

It is part of human culture, not just part of our culture

The first ones there are always celebrated. We in North American cannot shut up about Columbus even though it was the English who came to dominate north America

Plus the wrath we would wrought upon them for such a disrespect would be incentive enough for preservation until drunkards land on the moon


You're also talking about a culture that produced someone who gleefully knocked over a 170 million year old rock in a national park for kicks, video taped it, and bragged about it.

I'd bet good money sooner or later someone is going to take a joyride around in the lunar buggy and scratch "so and so was here" in the dirt next to the lander. They'll post the selfies to their Facebook page.
 
2014-07-19 06:03:38 PM

minnkat: On Apollo 12 in late 1969 Alan Bean visited the Surveyor 3 landing site and brought parts of the lander back to earth, so the "keep sites pristine" thing has already been messed with, by the U.S.

Apollo 12 - Surveyor 3


why did you put keep sites pristine in quotes?  That was never mentioned anywhere; so you made up a requirement so you could "but, but, but...the US!!!!!!"

Oh and collecting the surveyor III equipment was part of Apollo 12's mission.
 
2014-07-19 06:37:25 PM

johnny_vegas: why did you put keep sites pristine in quotes?  That was never mentioned anywhere; so you made up a requirement so you could "but, but, but...the US!!!!!!"

Oh and collecting the surveyor III equipment was part of Apollo 12's mission.


Yeah, that was a mis-statement and shouldn't have been in quotes, and yes, I know that was part of their mission.  And no, I'm not saying anything negative about the U.S. or the space program, I've always been fascinated by it and wish it was still running full bore like it was back then.  I simply did a bad job of saying that the U.S. had already visited an existing landing site so if someone else did it at some point in the future it wouldn't be the first time.  Didn't express myself clearly enough.
"but, but, but...the US!!!!!!" was never any part of my intent.
 
2014-07-19 06:40:27 PM
Or the U.S. can send up armed astronauts and build a permanent base near the site to defend it.  Make the astronauts part of the parks service.
 
2014-07-19 06:51:35 PM
If humans are going to `protect` it then one thing they should protect it *from* is impacts and debris from impacts...
 
2014-07-19 07:18:54 PM

Smoking GNU: Also him being the instigator of several genocides in the Americas after he landed (killing the men, selling the women and children into slavery and so on)


You're so cute.  You know he never made it to the Americas proper, right?
 
2014-07-19 07:30:47 PM

The6502Man: Smoking GNU: Also him being the instigator of several genocides in the Americas after he landed (killing the men, selling the women and children into slavery and so on)

You're so cute.  You know he never made it to the Americas proper, right?


Why would he?  He had plenty of people to enslave right there in the West Indies.  Wiped the buggers right off the island, if I'm not mistaken.
 
2014-07-19 07:30:48 PM
"All your base are belong to us".It's even funnier hearing it with a Chinese accent!
 
2014-07-19 08:29:07 PM
What are the odds that it avoids all future direct impacts while becoming completely encased and mined for materials two million years from now by elven arthropods?
 
2014-07-19 09:01:11 PM

minnkat: Keeping the Apollo 11 and 17 sites pristine would be desirable due to the significance of those sites.


If we go back, 17 won't be quite as significant any more.
 
2014-07-19 09:10:35 PM
Meh... it looks like someone has gotten to the Apollo 13 site already.  Not a trace left of it.
 
2014-07-20 01:57:00 AM
Man, imagine if they bring pieces of the Apollo back... Or a concrete mold of Armstrong's footprint!

That could fund the whole mission!  Some jerk on ebay would buy it.
 
2014-07-20 03:38:16 AM
I think you mean Lance Armstrong, subby, and they're ball prints from when he bicycled to the Moon. Uh-huh.
I think you mean Neil Young, subby, from when he did that MTV show on the Moon. Uh-huh.

And don't forget, the Challenger never made it to the Moon, so those could be ghost footprints anyway. Mm-hm.
 
2014-07-20 06:53:07 AM

sendtodave: Man, imagine if they bring pieces of the Apollo back... Or a concrete mold of Armstrong's footprint!

That could fund the whole mission!  Some jerk on ebay would buy it.



Assuming the boot prints weren't erased on launch, that'd have to be one rich jerk...

I don't know if China or Russia really would do that tho.
I mean, on one hand it would piss NASA off and prove they've got no recognized claim to anything on the moon, even their own hardware.  On the other hand it would also prove the moon landings to even the most ardent conspiracy theorist.

They'd probably avoid any prior landing site just so they can say they never saw any American equipment, which would be equal parts true and amazingly unhelpful.

/Why stop the idiots on your opponents side from sewing disinformation?
/Our presence there was so small that, in time, whoever moves in could rewrite the historical record.
 
2014-07-20 08:07:36 AM
We can't even get to low earth orbit anymore....they pretty much can be the bullies on the beach.
 
2014-07-20 11:10:02 AM
It's stupidly simple to sabotage a lunar mission by jamming their comms and tracking data from earth. A quiet word to the Chinese that any crew going anywhere near the landing sites will not be allowed to make it back to earth will be sufficient....
 
2014-07-20 01:23:25 PM

mark12A: It's stupidly simple to sabotage a lunar mission by jamming their comms and tracking data from earth. A quiet word to the Chinese that any crew going anywhere near the landing sites will not be allowed to make it back to earth will be sufficient....


You could easily start a war that way.
Probably why the Russians never tried to mess with our space program directly, altho the temptation was there.

/Plus this isn't the sixties.
/Even then the lunar command module was capable of doing its own burn calculations with manual assistance.
/They didn't have a way to keep in contact behind the moon, not to mention the known risks of equipment failure.
 
2014-07-20 06:37:40 PM

way south: /Why stop the idiots on your opponents side from sewing disinformation?


Besides, who can read Chinese embroidery?
 
2014-07-20 07:42:19 PM

MacWizard: way south: /Why stop the idiots on your opponents side from sewing disinformation?

Besides, who can read Chinese embroidery?


You reap what you sew.
 
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