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(Huffington Post)   It took GM 11 months to warn customers of their ignition switch problem. Wait, did I say 'months'? I meant years. 11 years   (huffingtonpost.com) divider line 58
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2014-07-19 02:50:29 PM  
No one will go to jail for this.
 
2014-07-19 03:39:15 PM  
Considering they recalled vehicles from the 90's, I don't really see this as an earth-shaking revelation

/you're surprised... how?
 
2014-07-19 04:43:06 PM  

BalugaJoe: No one will go to jail for this.


You can't catch them when they jump off the cliff and ride into the sunset on their golden parachute.
 
2014-07-19 04:46:37 PM  
But it was the unions that ruined GM and not the management trying to cover up their incompetence.
 
2014-07-19 04:46:50 PM  
Translation: They waited long enough that at least half of the affected vehicles were already scrapped (the average vehicle age in the US being 11.4 years -- and that's a record *high*).

And in the process, they slashed their recall repair bill to far less than half. Because realistically, of the remaining affected vehicles, many won't be taken in for service because they're so old their current owners can't be bothered to get them fixed, if they even know that it's possible. At that age, GM and the dealers won't have any way to notify the overwhelming majority of vehicles owners because they'll likely already have been resold three or four times.

GM executives responsible for delaying this should be doing time for manslaughter at the very least, and GM itself should be made to pay out significantly (and I mean at least double) what it will have saved to anybody who can show they've owned an affected vehicle in direct, cash payments, not in rebates off future purchases. And any unclaimed money should go to road accident-related charities after a certain amount of time, including all interest on that money in the interim.

But this being America, where big business rules, nothing at all will happen and GM will laugh all the way to the bank with its blood money.
 
2014-07-19 04:47:04 PM  
They knew what they were getting when they bought GM cars. I say let'em crash.

/counterpoint
 
2014-07-19 04:47:26 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk


Considering they recalled vehicles from the 90's, I don't really see this as an earth-shaking revelation

/you're surprised... how?


Subby has been on Mars for the last decade, in a cave, with his eyes shut and his fingers in his ears.

images.wikia.com
 
2014-07-19 04:48:22 PM  
Oh look, yet another GM hate thread. Yawn
 
2014-07-19 04:48:54 PM  
img.fark.net

I am Jack's lack of surprise.
 
2014-07-19 04:52:42 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Considering they recalled vehicles from the 90's, I don't really see this as an earth-shaking revelation

/you're surprised... how?



Came here to say exactly this. Problems like this have had serious recalls since at least '94.
 
2014-07-19 04:53:34 PM  
I thought this was already common knowledge.
 
2014-07-19 04:55:27 PM  
It might have happened to me, although I have only five other keys, and frankly the bump was jarring I wouldn't be surprised if the engine would have shut off anyway.

Anyway I took it in to get a new starter switch mainly because the switch will sometimes lock up after I turn the car off, and there's usually nothing I can do except wait a minute or two until it decides to release it.  I think maybe a sensor was off and the lock thought the car was still running or something.  Anyway, hasn't happened since I replaced it.

Why do cars still even have those, anyway?  I want something like they have in Voltron.
 
2014-07-19 04:57:31 PM  
I just got a recall notice last year that my vehicle's driver-side airbag can explode with shrapnel and cause "injury or death."

2002 Civic.
 
2014-07-19 04:59:43 PM  
another reason why you should've bought a Ford.
 
2014-07-19 05:01:14 PM  
The customer had about 50 keys and a set of brass knuckles on his ring.

Brass knuckles on your key ring?
 
2014-07-19 05:02:08 PM  
My wife runs a major car rental company. Asked her about American car quality. She said that Ford has actually stepped up the quality, followed by GM, and a distant third was Dodge. She said that the Dodge breaks down constantly. The one she never sees a mechanical problem?...Kia. Go figure.
 
2014-07-19 05:12:14 PM  

dolphinsgonwild: My wife runs a major car rental company. Asked her about American car quality. She said that Ford has actually stepped up the quality, followed by GM, and a distant third was Dodge. She said that the Dodge breaks down constantly. The one she never sees a mechanical problem?...Kia. Go figure.


Kia is Korean. Do you expect it to be an unreliable POS? No. Korean cars are reliable pieces of shiat.
/ More and more they're actually decent cars.
// Why would anyone buy American when Asian imports are usually better, more reliable, cheaper and have better warranties?
 
2014-07-19 05:12:48 PM  

Mrtraveler01: But it was the unions that ruined GM and not the management trying to cover up their incompetence.


This falls firmly on management...but GM's fail of a company falls on the entire company...management and the workers.
 
2014-07-19 05:14:36 PM  
My son has an 06 Cobalt. It's been three months since we got the recall notice. We are still waiting for parts.

Mmmmmm Government Motors.
 
2014-07-19 05:15:18 PM  
We just got our second notice. Still no parts
 
2014-07-19 05:16:22 PM  

slayer199: Mrtraveler01: But it was the unions that ruined GM and not the management trying to cover up their incompetence.

This falls firmly on management...but GM's fail of a company falls on the entire company...management and the workers.


The management is the Union since Barry (the government) seized the company in 2009.
 
2014-07-19 05:27:12 PM  
The customer had about 50 keys and a set of brass knuckles on his ring. GM officials saw the customer demonstrate the engine stall by going over a speed bump, and it told dealers in a voice mail about the problem. GM also issued a service bulletin to dealers warning of the problem, but it didn't recall the cars at that time.

America is great because companies that sell complicated pieces of machinery are expected to protect the morons that use them from their own stupidity.

Because that's what that is: stupid.
 
2014-07-19 05:29:37 PM  

gweilo8888: And in the process, they slashed their recall repair bill to far less than half. Because realistically, of the remaining affected vehicles, many won't be taken in for service because they're so old their current owners can't be bothered to get them fixed, if they even know that it's possible. At that age, GM and the dealers won't have any way to notify the overwhelming majority of vehicles owners because they'll likely already have been resold three or four times.


They have a way. They can ask the state department of motor vehicles for a list of registered owners for the recalled vehicles.
 
2014-07-19 05:34:00 PM  

Spare Me: slayer199: Mrtraveler01: But it was the unions that ruined GM and not the management trying to cover up their incompetence.

This falls firmly on management...but GM's fail of a company falls on the entire company...management and the workers.

The management is the Union since Barry (the government) seized saved the company in 2009.


The problem predates the advent of Barry by 14 or so years.  But don't let your spit-speckled hate get chilled out by any of those nasty old facts.
 
2014-07-19 05:35:51 PM  

Spare Me: My son has an 06 Cobalt. It's been three months since we got the recall notice. We are still waiting for parts.

Mmmmmm Government Motors.


This just in, the government no longer hold GM stock so that moniker is dated and annoying at best.
 
2014-07-19 05:39:54 PM  

Dougie AXP: Spare Me: My son has an 06 Cobalt. It's been three months since we got the recall notice. We are still waiting for parts.

Mmmmmm Government Motors.

This just in, the government no longer hold GM stock so that moniker is dated and annoying at best.


Yep, they are back to being Greedy Motors instead of Government Motors.
 
2014-07-19 05:43:37 PM  
i3.ytimg.com

I love my Dodge.
 
2014-07-19 05:44:06 PM  

ClavellBCMI: Dougie AXP: Spare Me: My son has an 06 Cobalt. It's been three months since we got the recall notice. We are still waiting for parts.

Mmmmmm Government Motors.

This just in, the government no longer hold GM stock so that moniker is dated and annoying at best.

Yep, they are back to being Greedy Motors instead of Government Motors.


and that's fine but blaming the speed of their decisions or the availability of parts on the period of time when the government was the majority share holder is beyond retarded.


and this is coming from someone who owns a GM product.
 
2014-07-19 05:46:01 PM  

dolphinsgonwild: My wife runs a major car rental company. Asked her about American car quality. She said that Ford has actually stepped up the quality, followed by GM, and a distant third was Dodge. She said that the Dodge breaks down constantly. The one she never sees a mechanical problem?...Kia. Go figure.


Actually since Fiat took over Chrysler/Dodge/Jeep their quality has been slowly increasing. The Dodge Dart and Chrysler 200 build quality are early evidence of this.
 
2014-07-19 05:50:47 PM  
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2014-07-19 06:02:24 PM  
Dougie AXP:

Actually since Fiat took over Chrysler/Dodge/Jeep their quality has been slowly increasing. The Dodge Dart and Chrysler 200 build quality are early evidence of this.

Hmmm, that's what keeps me looking at the 2015 Challenger 392 Scat Pack.   GM is dead to us (numerous issues over numerous vehicles over the years).
 
2014-07-19 06:09:22 PM  

dolphinsgonwild: My wife runs a major car rental company. Asked her about American car quality. She said that Ford has actually stepped up the quality, followed by GM, and a distant third was Dodge. She said that the Dodge breaks down constantly. The one she never sees a mechanical problem?...Kia. Go figure.


Well, you kind of expect breakdowns from a company whose nickname comes from its replacement parts department.
 
2014-07-19 06:16:44 PM  

IamSoSmart_S_M_R_T: Dougie AXP:
Hmmm, that's what keeps me looking at the 2015 Challenger 392 Scat Pack.   GM is dead to us (numerous issues over numerous vehicles over the years).


4 Years of owning my Challenger, no mechanicals yet, Knock on wood.

Also, if you are getting a Challenger, get the Hellcat.  There's no reason not to, since it's so well priced.
 
2014-07-19 06:25:20 PM  
Great, another thread where Farkers can act like they have any clue how big business works.

/your mom is calling...your pizza rolls are ready.
 
2014-07-19 06:42:57 PM  
Unoriginal Username: We just got our second notice. Still no parts

I've now received notice #3.  Ordered parts in mid-April.  Crickets.  Worse yet: the key is starting to stick.

Am thinking about sending a note to both senators.
 
2014-07-19 06:54:36 PM  

BalugaJoe: No one will go to jail for this.


They already got fired! WHAT MORE DO YOU WANT!

Next you're going to suggest they shouldn't have gotten a golden parachute. Pfft.
 
2014-07-19 07:04:25 PM  
tiiger:
4 Years of owning my Challenger, no mechanicals yet, Knock on wood.

Also, if you are getting a Challenger, get the Hellcat.  There's no reason not to, since it's so well priced.


The Hellcat would be sweet, but it's at least 50% more cashola (assuming any dealer will even sell it at sticker) and I have to have some semblance of fuel economy for a DD. lol
 
2014-07-19 07:09:28 PM  

MFAWG: The customer had about 50 keys and a set of brass knuckles on his ring. GM officials saw the customer demonstrate the engine stall by going over a speed bump, and it told dealers in a voice mail about the problem. GM also issued a service bulletin to dealers warning of the problem, but it didn't recall the cars at that time.

America is great because companies that sell complicated pieces of machinery are expected to protect the morons that use them from their own stupidity.

Because that's what that is: stupid.


OK, how the fark are you supposed to use brass knuckles for their intended purpose if you've got 50 keys attached to them?
 
2014-07-19 07:23:07 PM  
The problem revealed by this is not that GM builds shiatty cars. As someone pointed out above, everyone who isn't a mouth-breather has known this since  1990, normal people since the Citation disaster in 1980, and smart people since the Vega fiasco in 1970.

What has been revealed is that GM learned nothing from their bankruptcy, as the management are the same people who drove it into bankruptcy, and that GM will continue to build shiatty cars until they go bankrupt again.

They are back on course to do so already, selling their crap cars mostly to rental car fleets and specializing in financing sub-prime buyers.
 
2014-07-19 07:28:29 PM  
These are all black people cars. Coincidence?
 
2014-07-19 07:34:35 PM  

I Like Shiny Things: Great, another thread where Farkers can act like they have any clue how big business works.

/your mom is calling...your pizza rolls are ready.


Still contributing nothing to the conversation but insults I see. You're as predictable as a broken clock. And less often correct.
 
2014-07-19 07:37:23 PM  

Prey4reign: Spare Me: slayer199: Mrtraveler01: But it was the unions that ruined GM and not the management trying to cover up their incompetence.

This falls firmly on management...but GM's fail of a company falls on the entire company...management and the workers.

The management is the Union since Barry (the government) seized saved the company in 2009.

The problem predates the advent of Barry by 14 or so years.  But don't let your spit-speckled hate get chilled out by any of those nasty old facts.


img.fark.net
 
2014-07-19 07:48:38 PM  

Prey4reign: Spare Me: slayer199: Mrtraveler01: But it was the unions that ruined GM and not the management trying to cover up their incompetence.

This falls firmly on management...but GM's fail of a company falls on the entire company...management and the workers.

The management is the Union since Barry (the government) seized saved the company in 2009.

The problem predates the advent of Barry by 14 or so years.  But don't let your spit-speckled hate get chilled out by any of those nasty old facts.


That, and the fact that parts shortages for common failures have been an issue since the Model T....
 
2014-07-19 07:59:39 PM  

dolphinsgonwild: My wife runs a major car rental company. Asked her about American car quality. She said that Ford has actually stepped up the quality, followed by GM, and a distant third was Dodge. She said that the Dodge breaks down constantly. The one she never sees a mechanical problem?...Kia. Go figure.


Not surprised. I loved my MINI, but damn if my Rio hasn't been brilliantly reliable. I expected it to break or crap out on me with all of the stuff I put it through, but it keeps puttering along without complaint. Still miss my '91 Olds, though, that farker was a beast that refused to die.
 
2014-07-19 08:11:49 PM  

slayer199: Mrtraveler01: But it was the unions that ruined GM and not the management trying to cover up their incompetence.

This falls firmly on management...but GM's fail of a company falls on the entire company...management and the workers.


Not just management, some engineers farked it all up, too.
 
2014-07-19 08:12:32 PM  
I had a 2001 Alero. Great car except for the ignition.  Left me sitting with the "engine check" light flashing until it decided to quit before the thing would decide go work.  Took it to the mechanic and guess what?  Seems it was always past the time they could put it on the computer and find what was causing it.  It was a well known fact that their system sucked and they did nothing.
 
2014-07-19 08:31:48 PM  
Dodges do the same thing too. You have a key ring with a bunch of junk on it, puts a strain on the switch. A good friend of mine, had his son in law come out to replace the ignition switch, citing the same issue.
Not surprised hasn't been reported sooner.
/One reason no longer own an American car.
//Mitsibishi (Good enough for Pearl Harbor)
///Toyota. See above.
////Mercedes and BMW. They almost won the war. Americcans just flooded the market, not necessarily better.
 
2014-07-19 08:47:24 PM  

dustman81: They have a way. They can ask the state department of motor vehicles for a list of registered owners for the recalled vehicles.


Actually, they don't have to. It's much more evil than I'd realized. By waiting eleven years, they are liable for not one cent of the recall cost.

http://www.dmv.org/recalls.php#Vehicle-Recall-Limitations

"Your vehicle  is not eligible for free recall remedies (refund, replacement, repair) if it is more than 10 years old. The age is based on the vehicle's purchase date. If your recalled vehicle is older than 10 years, it's up to you to have the flaw repaired at your expense."

So they waited precisely long enough that they wouldn't have to repair anything for free -- every single owner (no matter what time of year they bought) is liable to pay themselves.
 
2014-07-19 09:28:30 PM  
I have this feature in my 95 Prius. WTF GM.
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2014-07-19 09:35:05 PM  

Deep Contact: I have this feature in my 95 Prius. WTF GM.
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I don't understand why manufacturers haven't cut over all of their autos to push button start. It can't cost that much more a regular ignition.
 
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