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(Washington Post)   New study finds that banning cell phones while driving does nothing to increase safety, mainly because most people are utterly terrible drivers anyway and will simply replace one distracting behavior for another. Yes, including you   (washingtonpost.com) divider line 94
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2014-07-19 10:33:08 AM  
I keep telling you, the problem with people is they are people.
Expecting, or worse, legislating otherwise is STUPID.
 
2014-07-19 12:31:58 PM  
I'm reading and writing this while driving, getting a kick out the reply.
 
2014-07-19 03:05:37 PM  
This sort of fatalistic thinking is to blame for so many problems in society today.
 
2014-07-19 03:07:30 PM  

Infernalist: This sort of fatalistic thinking is to blame for so many problems in society today.


....so you're saying we're all doomed?
 
2014-07-19 03:08:07 PM  
I'm sending this on my phone while I drive a school bus full of 8 yr old soccer players.

Mwahahaha!
 
2014-07-19 03:13:59 PM  
#notalldrivers
 
2014-07-19 03:14:08 PM  
I would suspect it's because most people don't follow the law and continue to use their cell phones while driving.  It's a real problem in my area.

/Had a friend who actually wrote on Facebook while driving complaining about someone else being a dangerous driver. /Facepalm
 
2014-07-19 03:14:35 PM  

grokca: I'm reading and writing this while driving, getting a kick out the reply.


I'm on my tablet, replying to your reply while driving at 100mph past a bus full of 8-year-old soccer players on a curvy road with a fully loaded propane trauck in the oncoming lane in a downpou
 
2014-07-19 03:15:08 PM  
No shiat.
 
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2014-07-19 03:17:27 PM  
You could give people who talk on the phone while driving the death penalty and it still wouldn't be effective.
 
2014-07-19 03:18:22 PM  
I don't care either way, so long as they don't ban sending Morse code while driving:

img.fark.net

The interior of my little silver hedgehog*.


*So named for the profusion of antennas (where profusion = 4, not including the broadcast receive antenna).
 
2014-07-19 03:18:38 PM  
Know what? Fark that. Shut up and drive. Nothing is that goddamn important. People had been driving for 70+ years before cellphones became the nuisances they are now.

IT CAN WAIT.
 
2014-07-19 03:19:30 PM  
While I'm palming a big mac, while I'm chugging my turbo gulp between my legs (no puns please), steering with my legs....
 
2014-07-19 03:20:53 PM  
Joke's on you subby, since I don't drive.
 
2014-07-19 03:22:55 PM  

SpdrJay: I'm sending this on my phone while I drive a school bus full of 8 yr old soccer players.

Mwahahaha!


Meh,  You're an amateur unless you start off your bus route with some bath salts.
 
2014-07-19 03:23:05 PM  
I never text and drive. I can't. My car has a manual transmission.

/Sucks when I want to pick... I mean, scratch, my nose.
 
2014-07-19 03:23:26 PM  
These sort of laws only really cause the most law abiding citizens to not use a cellphone.

Drunk driving laws are an example of how it's not terribly effective at stopping the behavior.

While I think drunk driving and cellphone talking laws are valid, it's not going to stop the behavior. They seem to be more after-the-fact laws to point to the cause of an accident for example.
 
2014-07-19 03:23:26 PM  
Make cars standard transmissions and force drivers to be aware of things like their RPMs and what gear they are using in relation to traffic and road conditions....but nah, too many soft fat drivers wouldn't be able to stuff their maw's with KFC sadness bowls while driving if they had to switch gears manually.

/if you can't drive a standard transmission you are significantly less than a man
 
2014-07-19 03:23:30 PM  
I farking can't stand drivers who text, or worse, browse apps or the internet while driving. I actually have a video of a guy who spent literally 4 minutes staring at his cell phone while driving on 95. 4 minutes! He's lucky I didn't have a passenger with me or else we could have gotten his plate number and called him in, but with just me filming it wasn't practical. Douchebag
 
2014-07-19 03:25:15 PM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: I farking can't stand drivers who text, or worse, browse apps or the internet while driving. I actually have a video of a guy who spent literally 4 minutes staring at his cell phone while driving on 95. 4 minutes! He's lucky I didn't have a passenger with me or else we could have gotten his plate number and called him in, but with just me filming it wasn't practical. Douchebag


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2014-07-19 03:29:17 PM  

asmodeus224: Make cars standard transmissions and force drivers to be aware of things like their RPMs and what gear they are using in relation to traffic and road conditions....but nah, too many soft fat drivers wouldn't be able to stuff their maw's with KFC sadness bowls while driving if they had to switch gears manually.

/if you can't drive a standard transmission you are significantly less than a man


I've never driven anything but a manual, it's a freaking deal breaker when I'm car shopping and it's not a manual.
/it's also a huge turn-on when a woman drives one; for me, i don't know why.  it just is.
 
2014-07-19 03:32:53 PM  

felching pen: grokca: I'm reading and writing this while driving, getting a kick out the reply.

I'm on my tablet, replying to your reply while driving at 100mph past a bus full of 8-year-old soccer players on a curvy road with a fully loaded propane trauck in the oncoming lane in a downpou


I was going to say something like this except not nearly as funny.
 
2014-07-19 03:34:33 PM  
IMO, the problem is at least in part due to many drivers having a complete disconnect between their actions and the ensuing accident. They believe accidents are just accidents ie. events that could not be foreseen and for which no one is to blame.

For example: in the case of that young lady who was found guilty of criminal negligence after she parked her car in the fast lane of highway so she could gather up a family of ducks, thereby causing the death of a father and daughter on a motorcycle, people are calling for an overturn of her conviction. They say it was just an accident, as if not actually intending to hurt someone is somehow an exoneration for dangerous actions.

rewind2846: Know what? Fark that. Shut up and drive. Nothing is that goddamn important. People had been driving for 70+ years before cellphones became the nuisances they are now.

IT CAN WAIT.


And for 70+ years (closer to 100+), people have been lousy drivers. Lousy driving is not an early 21st century invention. Yes, people should concentrate on the task of driving, but they don't and really never have.
 
2014-07-19 03:40:11 PM  

dittybopper: I don't care either way, so long as they don't ban sending Morse code while driving:



The interior of my little silver hedgehog*.


*So named for the profusion of antennas (where profusion = 4, not including the broadcast receive antenna).


I can no longer respect you.

/Stick shift snob.
 
2014-07-19 03:45:05 PM  
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/But seriously, I'd like to see the first offense punishable with loss of phone.
//Second offense, loss of car.
///Third offense, junk-punch
 
2014-07-19 03:46:51 PM  

capt.hollister: IMO, the problem is at least in part due to many drivers having a complete disconnect between their actions and the ensuing accident. They believe accidents are just accidents ie. events that could not be foreseen and for which no one is to blame.

For example: in the case of that young lady who was found guilty of criminal negligence after she parked her car in the fast lane of highway so she could gather up a family of ducks, thereby causing the death of a father and daughter on a motorcycle, people are calling for an overturn of her conviction. They say it was just an accident, as if not actually intending to hurt someone is somehow an exoneration for dangerous actions.

rewind2846: Know what? Fark that. Shut up and drive. Nothing is that goddamn important. People had been driving for 70+ years before cellphones became the nuisances they are now.

IT CAN WAIT.

And for 70+ years (closer to 100+), people have been lousy drivers. Lousy driving is not an early 21st century invention. Yes, people should concentrate on the task of driving, but they don't and really never have.


So, why bother making it illegal, right?
 
2014-07-19 03:53:13 PM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: I farking can't stand drivers who text, or worse, browse apps or the internet while driving. I actually have a video of a guy who spent literally 4 minutes staring at his cell phone while driving on 95. 4 minutes! He's lucky I didn't have a passenger with me or else we could have gotten his plate number and called him in, but with just me filming it wasn't practical. Douchebag


Only 4 minutes?  I had a 90 minute drive down I-84 with a project manager who managed to spend the entire time texting, looking on google maps and fiddling with his media player.  The next day, he did it on the way home.

My butthole ate 10 lbs of the seat from his driving.
 
2014-07-19 03:54:26 PM  
The main law you have to be careful about when driving is a natural law, not a law of man, and that law says that two bodies cannot occupy the same spot at the same time. Interestingly, if you can keep that one simple thought in mind, you often find yourself obeying a whole myriad of traffic laws.
 
2014-07-19 03:56:29 PM  

asmodeus224: Make cars standard transmissions and force drivers to be aware of things like their RPMs and what gear they are using in relation to traffic and road conditions....but nah, too many soft fat drivers wouldn't be able to stuff their maw's with KFC sadness bowls while driving if they had to switch gears manually.

/if you can't drive a standard transmission you are significantly less than a man


Amen!  And what's with all these cars with starter motors?  To me, you're nothing but a pansy-assed toothless vagina-boy if you're not willing to crank-start your own vehicle!
 
2014-07-19 04:01:24 PM  
Maybe if they actually started enforcing the distracted driving law as it happens instead of applying it after someone gets in an accident there would be change.
 
2014-07-19 04:02:53 PM  

dittybopper: I don't care either way, so long as they don't ban sending Morse code while driving:

[img.fark.net image 640x480]

The interior of my little silver hedgehog*.


*So named for the profusion of antennas (where profusion = 4, not including the broadcast receive antenna).


Talk about being part of the problem.
 
2014-07-19 04:06:48 PM  
I have had moments of insight when driving, where I realise that I just passed X amount of people at a distance of about a metre who I would not normally trust with anything in my life (and we were both doing 60kms in a heavy weapon towards each other.)

And I generally felt amazed.  How is it possible that I go out and trust that many people everyday?  Live is amazing.
 
2014-07-19 04:07:34 PM  
Or, you know, people don't listen to the bans? I still see lots of people on their cell phones while driving despite it being illegal.
 
2014-07-19 04:10:46 PM  

Infernalist: capt.hollister: IMO, the problem is at least in part due to many drivers having a complete disconnect between their actions and the ensuing accident. They believe accidents are just accidents ie. events that could not be foreseen and for which no one is to blame.

For example: in the case of that young lady who was found guilty of criminal negligence after she parked her car in the fast lane of highway so she could gather up a family of ducks, thereby causing the death of a father and daughter on a motorcycle, people are calling for an overturn of her conviction. They say it was just an accident, as if not actually intending to hurt someone is somehow an exoneration for dangerous actions.

rewind2846: Know what? Fark that. Shut up and drive. Nothing is that goddamn important. People had been driving for 70+ years before cellphones became the nuisances they are now.

IT CAN WAIT.

And for 70+ years (closer to 100+), people have been lousy drivers. Lousy driving is not an early 21st century invention. Yes, people should concentrate on the task of driving, but they don't and really never have.

So, why bother making it illegal, right?


Well, especially since the laws I'm aware of make exceptions for hands-free devices, never mind that the available evidence suggests that the users of hands-free devices remain every bit as distracted, and drive every bit as poorly.
 
2014-07-19 04:15:38 PM  
Well duh, it hasn't increased safety because people are still using their phones while driving.

This is why the penalty needs to include jail time instead of just a fine.


Just think of how much more murders there would be if there was only a monetary penalty.
 
2014-07-19 04:16:00 PM  
i1.cpcache.com
 
2014-07-19 04:16:20 PM  
Maybe, just maybe, people ignore the ban?
 
2014-07-19 04:16:53 PM  
That's because you can get away with it 99% of the time.  And .9% of the time force yourself and/or others to take evasive action with no accident.  And .09% of the time get into a minor fender bender.
 
2014-07-19 04:17:43 PM  

Infernalist: capt.hollister: IMO, the problem is at least in part due to many drivers having a complete disconnect between their actions and the ensuing accident. They believe accidents are just accidents ie. events that could not be foreseen and for which no one is to blame.

For example: in the case of that young lady who was found guilty of criminal negligence after she parked her car in the fast lane of highway so she could gather up a family of ducks, thereby causing the death of a father and daughter on a motorcycle, people are calling for an overturn of her conviction. They say it was just an accident, as if not actually intending to hurt someone is somehow an exoneration for dangerous actions.

rewind2846: Know what? Fark that. Shut up and drive. Nothing is that goddamn important. People had been driving for 70+ years before cellphones became the nuisances they are now.

IT CAN WAIT.

And for 70+ years (closer to 100+), people have been lousy drivers. Lousy driving is not an early 21st century invention. Yes, people should concentrate on the task of driving, but they don't and really never have.

So, why bother making it illegal, right?


Why pass laws that don't' help? Riddle me that, Batman.
 
2014-07-19 04:21:28 PM  
This is why when I go near civilization I drive with my eyes closed .. too terrifying to watch what's going on around me, like lion-feeding day at the zoo and everyone around me is wearing barcon jackets ..
 
2014-07-19 04:22:55 PM  

ReverendJynxed: Maybe if they actually started enforcing the distracted driving law as it happens instead of applying it after someone gets in an accident there would be change.


This! Texting while driving was already covered under the distracted driver laws, there was no legal need to make this specific activity banned. Using your phone GPS and all sorts of other things are just as dangerous, yet for political reasons texting is singled out.
 
2014-07-19 04:23:35 PM  

felching pen: grokca: I'm reading and writing this while driving, getting a kick out the reply.

I'm on my tablet, replying to your reply while driving at 100mph past a bus full of 8-year-old soccer players on a curvy road with a fully loaded propane trauck in the oncoming lane in a downpou


Yeah!? I'm responding to this on my iPad mini, while talking to dispatch on my phone, looking up directions to how to get to my destination while driving a tandem LPG tanker. Oh yeah, I'm also smoking and frying up some bacon (they have awesome adapters for the rig). I just passed a school bus and some soccer mom going down a 6% switchback grade....hang on
 
2014-07-19 04:24:54 PM  
Well the cell phone while driving ban hasn't exactly stopped people from using them now has it. The only thing it's done is make people lie about it if they get into an accident.
 
2014-07-19 04:25:34 PM  
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2014-07-19 04:38:05 PM  
I'm guilty of picking up my phone for one dumb reason or another at just about every traffic light.

I'm very good about keeping an eye on the light, but I'm sure I still piss people off.

It's stupid, I know.
 
2014-07-19 04:47:43 PM  
I've been driving and using a cell phone for as long as I've been driving.

And that's over 20 years.

It has never caused me to have a car wreck, it's never come close to causing me to have a car wreck.

The reality is that talking on a phone while driving is no more distracting than talking to a passenger while driving.

The other reality is that driving is actually not that hard.  Sure, if you're going 100+ on twisty windy roads, you need to have your full attention on what you're doing.  Yeah, if you're where kids could jump out at you, you should be planning based on braking distance.  But if you're on a relatively straight road with good visibility, unless you're trying to set a speed record it's just plain dull.  Interstates are sleep inducing unless you're at least 30+ over posted speed limits, a phone call can help you stay awake.
 
2014-07-19 04:49:27 PM  

snocone: I keep telling you, the problem with people is they are people.
Expecting, or worse, legislating otherwise is STUPID.


So lawmakers, like most people, are STUPID. Gotcha.

I don't know many lawmakers, but there are an awful lot of stupid people cluttering up my life. They're everywhere. At least some of them, like me, don't drive.
 
2014-07-19 04:52:20 PM  
Personally I find talking to passengers actually more distracting than talking in the phone, especially since my truck has Bluetooth.  I want to turn and look at the person I'm talking to if they're in the car.
 
2014-07-19 05:18:00 PM  
Wow, people still lying about the cell being less distracting?
 
2014-07-19 05:20:00 PM  
I had to stop talking on the phone while driving, it was interfering with my masturbating.
 
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