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2014-07-19 08:27:03 AM  
Verizon did this years ago...  Didn't seem to work out.
 
2014-07-19 08:51:17 AM  
The reason for doing this is that your cell phone by default tries to connect to whatever wifi is nearby. If google see you connecting to it's wifi at a location they can record you as being at that location - they can build a better profile of you and sell more expensive ads that target you.

Same reason stores offer free wifi - except there they use it to figure out what part of the store you are in.
 
2014-07-19 09:40:21 AM  
Saw these all over London when I was there last week.
 
2014-07-19 09:43:28 AM  
There are public payphones?
 
2014-07-19 11:16:08 AM  
They should turn them into pissoirs
 
2014-07-19 11:28:57 AM  
Not if we hire telephone sanitizers.


/this is NOT obscure!
 
2014-07-19 11:42:00 AM  

urger: The reason for doing this is that your cell phone by default tries to connect to whatever wifi is nearby. If google see you connecting to it's wifi at a location they can record you as being at that location - they can build a better profile of you and sell more expensive ads that target you.

Same reason stores offer free wifi - except there they use it to figure out what part of the store you are in.


Yup.
 
2014-07-19 12:22:18 PM  

Saborlas: Not if we hire telephone sanitizers.


/this is NOT obscure!


Google will just use SpaceX to take care of them. Nobody will complain.
 
2014-07-19 12:28:20 PM  

urger: The reason for doing this is that your cell phone by default tries to connect to whatever wifi is nearby. If google see you connecting to it's wifi at a location they can record you as being at that location - they can build a better profile of you and sell more expensive ads that target you.

Same reason stores offer free wifi - except there they use it to figure out what part of the store you are in.


Won't they also be continually reporting our locations to the ATF, the FBI, the IRS, the NSA, and the DMV?
THEY will always know exactly where to find us.
 
2014-07-19 01:16:00 PM  
This makes iOS 8's random MAC address feature all the more timely.  It makes your particular phone a. It harder to track, because it will look like another phone each time it connects - in theory. Other packets are probably going to leak enough about you to make your phone unique, if not attributable to you.

http://www.techtimes.com/articles/8233/20140612/apple-implements-ran do m-mac-address-on-ios-8-goodbye-marketers.htm
 
2014-07-19 01:23:03 PM  

Barfmaker: There are public payphones?


Actually most of them have been removed.  You can occasionally find one in subway stations, which are currently not equipped to get cellphone reception (although they have just introduced wifi to about 30 stations). There is one on on my street that is just a shell, with no actual phone in it.
 
2014-07-19 01:45:54 PM  

fazookus: Verizon did this years ago...  Didn't seem to work out.


I believe that was in 2005'ish when Smartphones where pretty scarce (compared to today) and WiFi kind of sucked.
 
2014-07-19 01:58:57 PM  

jso2897: urger: The reason for doing this is that your cell phone by default tries to connect to whatever wifi is nearby. If google see you connecting to it's wifi at a location they can record you as being at that location - they can build a better profile of you and sell more expensive ads that target you.

Same reason stores offer free wifi - except there they use it to figure out what part of the store you are in.

Won't they also be continually reporting our locations to the ATF, the FBI, the IRS, the NSA, and the DMV?
THEY will always know exactly where to find us.


I'm not sure they would need to report anything. The government is actively trying to track mass amounts of the population. The Department of Homeland Security has made great progress in facial recognition and intend to use it to it's fullest extent.

From an article last year
....use video cameras to scan people in public (or will be fed images of people from other sources) and then identify individuals by their faces, presumably by cross-referencing databases of driver's license photos, mug shots or other facial images cataloged by name.

The Department of Homeland Security is not the only agency developing facial-surveillance capacities. The Federal Bureau of Investigation has spent more than $1 billion on its Next Generation Identification program, which includes facial-recognition technology. This technology is expected to be deployed as early as next year and to contain at least 12 million searchable photos. The bureau has partnerships with at least seven states that give the agency access to facial-recognition-enabled databases of driver's license photos.


I'm sure they have made some substantial progress in the past year.
 
2014-07-19 02:25:07 PM  

rwhamann: This makes iOS 8's random MAC address feature all the more timely.  It makes your particular phone a. It harder to track, because it will look like another phone each time it connects - in theory. Other packets are probably going to leak enough about you to make your phone unique, if not attributable to you.

http://www.techtimes.com/articles/8233/20140612/apple-implements-ran do m-mac-address-on-ios-8-goodbye-marketers.htm


I hadn't heard about that, very cool. Although this part of the article is confusing:

In addition to the MAC randomization, Apple is also introducing DuckDuckGo

"Introducing" DuckDuckGo? The site that has existed for years?
 
2014-07-19 02:39:35 PM  

brap: Barfmaker: There are public payphones?

Actually most of them have been removed.  You can occasionally find one in subway stations, which are currently not equipped to get cellphone reception (although they have just introduced wifi to about 30 stations). There is one on on my street that is just a shell, with no actual phone in it.


A few years ago they literally removed about 50 percent of the inventory.

They're still widespread throughout the city, but instead of there being big blocks of 4+, it's 1 or 2.
 
2014-07-19 02:42:40 PM  
nyseattitude:  facial-surveillance
Euphamism for porn?
 
2014-07-19 02:52:26 PM  

Saborlas: Not if we hire telephone sanitizers.


/this is NOT obscure!


They already left on the B ark.
 
2014-07-19 03:02:21 PM  

rwhamann: This makes iOS 8's random MAC address feature all the more timely.  It makes your particular phone a. It harder to track, because it will look like another phone each time it connects - in theory. Other packets are probably going to leak enough about you to make your phone unique, if not attributable to you.

http://www.techtimes.com/articles/8233/20140612/apple-implements-ran do m-mac-address-on-ios-8-goodbye-marketers.htm


This means nothing - no self-respecting DSP uses MAC address for targeting.
 
2014-07-19 03:12:56 PM  

WayToBlue: rwhamann: This makes iOS 8's random MAC address feature all the more timely.  It makes your particular phone a. It harder to track, because it will look like another phone each time it connects - in theory. Other packets are probably going to leak enough about you to make your phone unique, if not attributable to you.

http://www.techtimes.com/articles/8233/20140612/apple-implements-ran do m-mac-address-on-ios-8-goodbye-marketers.htm

I hadn't heard about that, very cool. Although this part of the article is confusing:

In addition to the MAC randomization, Apple is also introducing DuckDuckGo

"Introducing" DuckDuckGo? The site that has existed for years?


This is the first I've heard of it. Reading the Wiki entry and there's one spot that's always made me go hmmm... If you write your search engine right, any shopping related link that comes up could be tweaked so it bears your search engine's affiliate link. Then it's just a matter of lining up the affiliate type companies. And if the company pays for placements where you then get paid for the link, you're getting paid twice, which should make you do a happy dance.
 
2014-07-19 03:34:52 PM  

nyseattitude: fazookus: Verizon did this years ago...  Didn't seem to work out.

I believe that was in 2005'ish when Smartphones where pretty scarce (compared to today) and WiFi kind of sucked.


Yeah, that.

In can imagine that reintroducing it would have great benefits.  It would also open up the possibilities of people getting run over because they're too interested in talking on their cellphones to care about traffic.
 
2014-07-19 05:15:27 PM  

FlashHarry: Saw these all over London when I was there last week.


WiFi Here!

I was in London last week too.  I thought you looked familiar.


Also, since I am on sprint CDMA in the US, can't use the phone in the UK.  Or at least not that I am aware of, so I get a local throwaway phone for UK trips.

I called my time in London "The never ending quest for free Wifi"
 
2014-07-19 08:06:44 PM  

WayToBlue: rwhamann: This makes iOS 8's random MAC address feature all the more timely.  It makes your particular phone a. It harder to track, because it will look like another phone each time it connects - in theory. Other packets are probably going to leak enough about you to make your phone unique, if not attributable to you.

http://www.techtimes.com/articles/8233/20140612/apple-implements-ran do m-mac-address-on-ios-8-goodbye-marketers.htm

I hadn't heard about that, very cool. Although this part of the article is confusing:

In addition to the MAC randomization, Apple is also introducing DuckDuckGo

"Introducing" DuckDuckGo? The site that has existed for years?


Duck, duck, go is not an option for search in Safari currently.
It now will be.
Some might say it has been introduced.
 
2014-07-19 08:36:48 PM  

Herr Flick's Revenge: WayToBlue: rwhamann: This makes iOS 8's random MAC address feature all the more timely.  It makes your particular phone a. It harder to track, because it will look like another phone each time it connects - in theory. Other packets are probably going to leak enough about you to make your phone unique, if not attributable to you.

http://www.techtimes.com/articles/8233/20140612/apple-implements-ran do m-mac-address-on-ios-8-goodbye-marketers.htm

I hadn't heard about that, very cool. Although this part of the article is confusing:

In addition to the MAC randomization, Apple is also introducing DuckDuckGo

"Introducing" DuckDuckGo? The site that has existed for years?

Duck, duck, go is not an option for search in Safari currently.
It now will be.
Some might say it has been introduced.


So if you browse to duckduckgo.com in Safari you can't use the site?

If you can, and it's just that the site has been added as a quick search option, then they should say that. Because this:

In addition to the MAC randomization, Apple is also introducing DuckDuckGo, which is a search engine that will not track the searches and browsing history of the user.

makes it sound like duckduckgo.com is a new thing and that Apple created it, none of which is accurate.
 
2014-07-19 10:26:08 PM  

WayToBlue: Herr Flick's Revenge: WayToBlue: rwhamann: This makes iOS 8's random MAC address feature all the more timely.  It makes your particular phone a. It harder to track, because it will look like another phone each time it connects - in theory. Other packets are probably going to leak enough about you to make your phone unique, if not attributable to you.

http://www.techtimes.com/articles/8233/20140612/apple-implements-ran do m-mac-address-on-ios-8-goodbye-marketers.htm

I hadn't heard about that, very cool. Although this part of the article is confusing:

In addition to the MAC randomization, Apple is also introducing DuckDuckGo

"Introducing" DuckDuckGo? The site that has existed for years?

Duck, duck, go is not an option for search in Safari currently.
It now will be.
Some might say it has been introduced.

So if you browse to duckduckgo.com in Safari you can't use the site?

If you can, and it's just that the site has been added as a quick search option, then they should say that. Because this:

In addition to the MAC randomization, Apple is also introducing DuckDuckGo, which is a search engine that will not track the searches and browsing history of the user.

makes it sound like duckduckgo.com is a new thing and that Apple created it, none of which is accurate.


Except that no one is thinking a single thing that you just said, except you
 
2014-07-19 11:04:46 PM  

Rwa2play: nyseattitude: fazookus: Verizon did this years ago...  Didn't seem to work out.

I believe that was in 2005'ish when Smartphones where pretty scarce (compared to today) and WiFi kind of sucked.

Yeah, that.

In can imagine that reintroducing it would have great benefits.  It would also open up the possibilities of people getting run over because they're too interested in talking on their cellphones to care about traffic.


We will need these at crosswalks for humans
www.safeny.ny.gov
 
2014-07-20 09:04:37 AM  
I can't even remember the last time I saw a payphone
 
2014-07-20 01:05:03 PM  
Tough luck, Google. New Yorkers turned them into toilets years ago.  AmIrite? AmIrite?

Toilets would be a good place to turn into WiFi hotspots were it not for the propensity of people to abuse any public good and spoil it for everybody responsible, sane and decent.

Some damn fool would turn the john into his office (Fonzi, I'm looking at you) and install a coffee pot on the only plug for razors (a coffee pot might not be a bad idea, though, it would cover the stink). Also, some more idiots would use the toilet to make amateur pron. In other words, if you put anything useful in a toilet, it instantly makes the toilet into a stinking work place.

In short, common sense shoots down most great ideas before they are more than a notion. That and the evil that lurks in the souls of humanity. Women would be even worse. With the ability to chat, shop, exchange photos and so forth, they'd never leave. They'd install an electrical octopus and would start making muffins literally.
 
2014-07-20 07:46:17 PM  
 
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