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(ESPN)   Nothing is going right for the Houston Astros, they can't even sign their number one draft pick   (espn.go.com) divider line 26
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2014-07-19 09:54:34 AM  
I'm glad to see Luhnow's strategy of intentionally crapping the bed is biting him in the ass. Correa breaks his leg, Aiken isn't signed, nobody's going to the games, nobody is watching the games either, the Astros have next to zero in revenue generation, the Singleton signing was idiotic, and short of Altuve and Springer, there's no players worth caring about.

But please Jeff, tell us how brilliant you are, and how we just need to give you 3-5 years, and everything will be just peachy. Jeff, I know you're not reading this, and I know you don't care, but you are so stupid that Ruben Amaro wakes up everyday thanking God he's not as dumb as you.

/Yes, I'm resigned to the fact that the Astros are the Pirates/Royals.
 
2014-07-19 11:56:11 AM  

Straight Outta Wells Branch: I'm glad to see Luhnow's strategy of intentionally crapping the bed is biting him in the ass. Correa breaks his leg, Aiken isn't signed, nobody's going to the games, nobody is watching the games either, the Astros have next to zero in revenue generation, the Singleton signing was idiotic, and short of Altuve and Springer, there's no players worth caring about.


For a while there the Astros used to be the best farm system that the Phillies had.  The Astros failures are even affecting them now.
 
2014-07-19 01:08:07 PM  
I believe their number 5 pick also didn't sign as of yesterday too. They must be as cheap as the Pirates owner at his absolute peak (Pirates I think now are 5th lowest payroll)
 
2014-07-19 01:17:01 PM  
I'm sure fark will be sure to discuss this topic with the nuance it deserves.

TheManofPA: I believe their number 5 pick also didn't sign as of yesterday too.


That's because he was asking for 5 times his slot amount. If Aiken had signed for the original 6.5 mil deal (or less), the Astros could've afforded Nix as well, but no Aiken means no Nix either (unless he took slot).
 
2014-07-19 01:38:45 PM  
They're certainly not pennant contenders this year, but they're not as brutal as they were in the past couple of years.
 
2014-07-19 01:44:11 PM  

Straight Outta Wells Branch: I'm glad to see Luhnow's strategy of intentionally crapping the bed is biting him in the ass. Correa breaks his leg, Aiken isn't signed, nobody's going to the games, nobody is watching the games either, the Astros have next to zero in revenue generation, the Singleton signing was idiotic, and short of Altuve and Springer, there's no players worth caring about.

But please Jeff, tell us how brilliant you are, and how we just need to give you 3-5 years, and everything will be just peachy. Jeff, I know you're not reading this, and I know you don't care, but you are so stupid that Ruben Amaro wakes up everyday thanking God he's not as dumb as you.

/Yes, I'm resigned to the fact that the Astros are the Pirates/Royals.


Sounds like they need a new stadium!
 
2014-07-19 01:54:13 PM  
"Nothing going right?" Rangers fans offer up a bemused chuckle.
 
2014-07-19 01:54:57 PM  
So here's what the decision was for the Astros. They knew Aiken wanted the original $6.5M agreed to ($1.2M below slot).

1) Sign a guy with a kind of important injury that just cropped up, who's already risky because he's a high school pitcher. But you get to sign a guy who fell to the 6th round.
2) Have the #2 overall pick next year, along with whatever their actual pick is (they could end up having 1 and 2)

They made the right decision. Aiken is a fool for not taking $5M. You just hurt your damn elbow and may never pitch the same again. It would be an absolute miracle to be the #1 pick again, and that's the only way you'd ever make as much as what they just offered you. He just cost himself a few million bucks, and now he's going to have to fix his elbow on his own dime.
 
2014-07-19 01:57:36 PM  

lacydog: So here's what the decision was for the Astros. They knew Aiken wanted the original $6.5M agreed to ($1.2M below slot).

1) Sign a guy with a kind of important injury that just cropped up, who's already risky because he's a high school pitcher. But you get to sign a guy who fell to the 6th round.
2) Have the #2 overall pick next year, along with whatever their actual pick is (they could end up having 1 and 2)

They made the right decision. Aiken is a fool for not taking $5M. You just hurt your damn elbow and may never pitch the same again. It would be an absolute miracle to be the #1 pick again, and that's the only way you'd ever make as much as what they just offered you. He just cost himself a few million bucks, and now he's going to have to fix his elbow on his own dime.


Yep
 
2014-07-19 02:05:49 PM  

lacydog: Sign a guy with a kind of important injury that just cropped up, who's already risky because he's a high school pitcher.


Well, this isn't quite right. Aiken isn't injured; everyone agrees on that. No one can say on the record what happened in the physical thanks to HIPAA, but the leaks have all generally suggested he has an abnormally small UCL (and has from birth). This doesn't mean he can't pitch (RA Dickey was born without a UCL), and doesn't necessarily mean he's more likely to injure it than anyone else (though the Astros appear to believe that's the case). What it absolutely means is that IF he injures it, he wouldn't be able to have standard Tommy John on it. They'd either have to modify the procedure somehow or hope that rehab alone could fix him.

But otherwise, you're spot on. I actually think signing Aiken anyway (at 6.5) would've been the right move, but it's totally easy to understand why the Astros disagree.
 
2014-07-19 02:07:45 PM  

DeWayne Mann: RA Dickey was born without a UCL


Forgot to mention that Dickey had the same thing happen when he was drafted. He was offered something like 700k before the physical, but when they learned about that issue, the bonus dropped to like, 70k. He took it, unlike Aiken.
 
2014-07-19 02:20:13 PM  
At least the Cubs can blame their crap on a billy goat. What's the Astros excuse? :-(
 
2014-07-19 02:59:19 PM  

Captain Steroid: At least the Cubs can blame their crap on a billy goat. What's the Astros excuse? :-(


Incompetence.
 
2014-07-19 03:07:27 PM  
For the kid, the downside is that he probably won't ever be the #1 pick again; may have an injury, elbow or not, and never make a dime playing baseball, much less a bonus of $6.5 million.

On the upside, he's not going to be an Astro.

Winner: Kid.
 
2014-07-19 03:18:36 PM  
A pity the team couldn't make this discovery before they wasted the #1 pick. Due diligence?

DeWayne Mann: I'm sure fark will be sure to discuss this topic with the nuance it deserves.

TheManofPA: I believe their number 5 pick also didn't sign as of yesterday too.

That's because he was asking for 5 times his slot amount. If Aiken had signed for the original 6.5 mil deal (or less), the Astros could've afforded Nix as well, but no Aiken means no Nix either (unless he took slot).


They have the same agent, don't they?

TheOther: For the kid, the downside is that he probably won't ever be the #1 pick again; may have an injury, elbow or not, and never make a dime playing baseball, much less a bonus of $6.5 million.

On the upside, he's not going to be an Astro.

Winner: Kid.


Short memory? Until this recent series of dumpster fires, they went something like 15 years with just one losing season.
 
2014-07-19 03:26:22 PM  

DrBenway: A pity the team couldn't make this discovery before they wasted the #1 pick. Due diligence?


The MLBPA won't agree to pre-draft physicals. I don't know why, but they won't. Maybe this will help change that.

DrBenway: They have the same agent, don't they?


They have the same adviser, since amateurs can't have agents.

But yes, that's part of the issue. The Astros essentially negotiated a package deal with Casey Close, getting one draftee under slot and the other over slot. When the under slot part fell through, the other one had to as well.
 
2014-07-19 03:29:21 PM  
So I take it, he doesn't just become a free agent? He has to wait and be drafted next year?
 
2014-07-19 03:36:43 PM  

bangmaid: So I take it, he doesn't just become a free agent?


..would undermine the whole point of a draft
 
2014-07-19 03:37:41 PM  

bangmaid: So I take it, he doesn't just become a free agent? He has to wait and be drafted next year?


He has three options, two of which are essentially the same:

1. Go to a 4 year college (most likely UCLA, since he committed there). He then cannot be drafted until after his junior year.
2. Go to a junior/community college. He can reenter the draft next year.
3. Sign with an independent league team. He can again reenter the draft next year.

If he comes back next year, the Astros cannot draft him without his consent.
 
2014-07-19 03:39:48 PM  

bangmaid: So I take it, he doesn't just become a free agent? He has to wait and be drafted next year?


Depends on the option he chooses. If he goes to college, he has to wait a few years to get drafted. If he goes to the independent league, he can get drafted again next year but yeah he is not a FA
 
2014-07-19 04:17:55 PM  
The Yankees failed to sign Mariano Rivera III
 
2014-07-19 04:53:55 PM  
www.thedailygouge.com
 
2014-07-19 08:30:50 PM  
Sounds like a loss for him. Fact is, even a first rounder is several years away from the bigs. Should they toss 6.5 million at someone who is several years away from even having his first test to see whether or not he'll be a good pitcher in MLB, or flake out?

He should have taken a little less. You never know how your career is going to turn out, before it starts. If it's a long career, you make a lot more money at the end. If it's a short career, all the money was up front, when they actually thought you were worth something. Odds are, it's a short career, when you compare how many prospects there are with how many people have long careers....
 
2014-07-19 11:46:28 PM  

DrBenway: TheOther: For the kid, the downside is that he probably won't ever be the #1 pick again; may have an injury, elbow or not, and never make a dime playing baseball, much less a bonus of $6.5 million.

On the upside, he's not going to be an Astro.

Winner: Kid.

Short memory? Until this recent series of dumpster fires, they went something like 15 years with just one losing season.


It's a little more than a 'recent series of dumpster fires', but at least it's not the 'dumpster fire behind the fireworks plant next to the oil refinery built on an ancient Indian burial ground' that the Rangers are having this year.  Still, don't let the fact that the Rangers are moving down into the cellar trick you into thinking the Astros are moving up.  Since their last playoff appearance, they have changed their owner, gm, manager. farm system and league.

I admire your loyalty, though.
 
2014-07-20 02:06:09 AM  
Well good management is the key to winning at sports, this club has a long way to go.
 
2014-07-20 08:27:06 AM  
5 6 7 Year rebuilding plan
 
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