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2014-07-19 12:36:40 AM  
You mean terrible pacing, shiatty costumes and zero-budget special effects?
 
FNG [TotalFark]
2014-07-19 03:16:42 AM  
I think thats exactly what they mean. Shame.
 
2014-07-19 03:39:43 AM  
Having watched the first episode, I think that Capaldi will be better than Smith or Tennant were. He is much more in the classic Doctor mode.
 
2014-07-19 03:41:43 AM  
Classic Who also has some pretty solid actors, amazing writers (Douglas Adams), and interesting ideas. Sounds to me like back to basics means no more current female companion is the most special woman in all of time, space, and in at least in one case another dimension. So that could be something fun to revisit the return of the grumpy doctor.
 
2014-07-19 03:48:38 AM  

TheJadedJester: Classic Who also has some pretty solid actors, amazing writers (Douglas Adams), and interesting ideas. Sounds to me like back to basics means no more current female companion is the most special woman in all of time, space, and in at least in one case another dimension. So that could be something fun to revisit the return of the grumpy doctor.


Capaldi hits the ground running with  more of a grumpy persona and he also doesn't treat Clara like a high-school crush. He seems to condescend to her and spent part of the episode intentionally winding her up.
 
2014-07-19 03:54:43 AM  

fusillade762: You mean terrible pacing, shiatty costumes and zero-budget special effects?


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2014-07-19 04:08:56 AM  

fusillade762: You mean terrible pacing, shiatty costumes    and zero-budget    special effects?


I don't think that they're going to bring back Colan Baker era. But thanks for bringing that up >:(

Spoiler alert

Anyway so they're going to have him kidnapping the first five doctors and try to kill them? ;)
 
2014-07-19 04:25:07 AM  
It means they'll finally bring back the Quarks!

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YAY QUARKS!
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and the dominators too, they were nearly as daft.


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2014-07-19 04:32:35 AM  
Just wonder when Doctor Who sues the Mtn West Conference for Logo-Stealing
 
2014-07-19 04:39:11 AM  

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2014-07-19 04:48:50 AM  
I'm calling it now: the episodes that leaked weren't pre-editing. That's actually going to be what the series looks like.
 
2014-07-19 06:13:21 AM  
I'm just here to say that series 6 and 7 sucked.
 
2014-07-19 06:52:25 AM  

ModernLuddite: I'm just here to say that series 6 and 7 sucked.


What, not an Amy Pond Show fan?

Anyway, back to basics can mean a lot of things, and no one agrees just what it is.
 
2014-07-19 07:03:58 AM  

theincrediblemoo: I'm calling it now: the episodes that leaked weren't pre-editing. That's actually going to be what the series looks like.


And what episodes were these? I need to know. For research purposes.
 
2014-07-19 07:12:26 AM  

theincrediblemoo: I'm calling it now: the episodes that leaked weren't pre-editing. That's actually going to be what the series looks like.


I actually wish the music would be more low key like it is in the leaked episode. When it airs we will get the usual version with overbearing music playing throughout the show and occasionally drowning out dialogue.
 
2014-07-19 07:22:57 AM  

Smashed Hat: theincrediblemoo: I'm calling it now: the episodes that leaked weren't pre-editing. That's actually going to be what the series looks like.

And what episodes were these? I need to know. For research purposes.


Never mind, I found 'Deep Breath' anyway. Yeah, air it as is. Now that would be a return to basics!
 
2014-07-19 08:19:33 AM  
Would love to see a true return-to-basics in the form of it being aired as a serial.  Each story is roughly 3-20 minute episodes.  Show two a week.  Still would get 26 weeks out of the season instead of 13.
 
2014-07-19 08:36:20 AM  
If the emphasis is on writing and coherent storytelling, a la classic Who, then I would love the change.  If "back to the basics" means the usual Moffat "I'm going to reinvent xxx classic alien" or "who wants to sit through a storyline longer than 40 minutes?" philosophy, no thanks.

\hoping Capaldi can resurrect the show
\\he'll probably meet Amy Pond about three episodes in
 
2014-07-19 08:36:24 AM  

wesmon: Having watched the first episode, I think that Capaldi will be better than Smith or Tennant were. He is much more in the classic Doctor mode.

He's playing the doctor as vulnerable, even fragile. I was expecting more shouting. Though (spoiler highlight to read) there was some Malcom Tucker coming through with the line "I've got the horrible feeling I'm going to have to kill you."
 
2014-07-19 08:55:02 AM  
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2014-07-19 09:04:33 AM  
I just want episodes with small stakes. Intimate episodes with conflict that's tied closely to the characters. I'm tired of the fate of the universe hanging in the balance. Boooooorrrrriiiiing. Even episodes which  should have felt like that (the recent return of the Ice Warriors) got saddled with "we're going to start a nuclear war" when it could have worked better if it were more in the vein of  Alien.
 
2014-07-19 09:11:47 AM  

fusillade762: You mean terrible pacing, shiatty costumes and zero-budget special effects?


I'm sure there will also be mediocre writing, endless wankathons about how humans are special, and heavy-handed one-note stories. All done with community theater acting and A LOT OF EMOTING!

/Somewhat enjoying NuWho
//Only up to season 3
///So much emoting
////Not everything Adams did was gold. See Salmon of Doubt
 
2014-07-19 09:12:07 AM  
Basics means T&A?
 
2014-07-19 09:17:21 AM  

tzzhc4: Basics means T&A cleavage and flashing lights?


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2014-07-19 09:18:08 AM  

luidprand: Not everything Adams did was gold. See Salmon of Doubt


Well, it was unpublished at the time of his death for a reason. Honestly, though, I didn't really enjoy anything in the Dirk Gently series.
 
2014-07-19 09:18:09 AM  

tzzhc4: tzzhc4: Basics means T&A cleavage and flashing lights?

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Third time?

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2014-07-19 09:20:50 AM  
You mean, move past the dragged out 18 part good bye to Amy and Rory?
 
2014-07-19 09:21:40 AM  

t3knomanser: I just want episodes with small stakes. Intimate episodes with conflict that's tied closely to the characters. I'm tired of the fate of the universe hanging in the balance. Boooooorrrrriiiiing. Even episodes which  should have felt like that (the recent return of the Ice Warriors) got saddled with "we're going to start a nuclear war" when it could have worked better if it were more in the vein of  Alien.


This. This is one of the reasons I likes Tennants doctor better. Go save some Ood, take a holiday that goes awry. No more saving all of time and space every week, it gets old.
 
2014-07-19 09:23:52 AM  

fusillade762: You mean terrible pacing, shiatty costumes and zero-budget special effects?


You forgot to mention - no story arcs; epsodes you can watch in any order and it doesn't matter.

If that's what they mean... no thanks. I got shows like that completely out of my system during childhood (ST, ST:TNG), and couldn't handle watching newer versions of the same theme later in life (most of SG-1).
 
2014-07-19 09:25:02 AM  

luidprand: Only up to season 3


Don't worry, laters series have a completely different set of problems; overused gimmick characters, smugly self-satisfied continuity nods and ass-pulled endings.
 
2014-07-19 09:25:20 AM  

rummonkey: This is one of the reasons I likes Tennants doctor better.


I had this problem back in the Tennant era. In the Tennant era, the problem was that there was always a "the universe hangs in the balance" overarching plot, even in the small episodes. Tennant's best episodes were the ones that avoided this- "The Girl in the Fireplace", "Blink", "Midnight" and "Human Nature/Family of Blood" leap to mind. Each series, on the other hand, ended with some terrible hand-wavy, fate-of-the-universe bullshiat. The worst was the DoctorDonna one, where the entire epic threat is defused by a round of frantic button pushing and shouted technobabble.
 
2014-07-19 09:25:51 AM  
FTFA: "and certainly no companions in leather leotards."

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2014-07-19 09:27:13 AM  

t3knomanser: luidprand: Not everything Adams did was gold. See Salmon of Doubt

Well, it was unpublished at the time of his death for a reason. Honestly, though, I didn't really enjoy anything in the Dirk Gently series.


I always preferred Dirk Gently to HHGtG. It is a much more mature work in a lot of ways, especially in that it presented a coherent universe that wasn't rewritten in every book and had consistent characters. Hitchhikers was always about the jokes, and a lot of stuff that was funny in the 70s and 80s is just is confusing nowadays. It also suffered from being a radio play first, which means the characters had to be much broader and without nuance.

/Who the hell has a had a digital watch in the last 20 years? My brother, born in the mid 80s, has literally never seen one.
//I did think HHGtG 3 and 4 were the best of the series. Mostly Harmless seemed kind of spiteful and the removal of Fennchurch was poorly handled
 
2014-07-19 09:29:29 AM  

clkeagle: You forgot to mention - no story arcs; epsodes you can watch in any order and it doesn't matter.


Well, each serial generally linked to the last pretty directly. While a single arc would be between 2-10 episodes, each arc was connected to the next- it  wasn't a show designed around the idea that you could watch episodes in any order. While each serial is largely self-contained, there were often character arcs that extended beyond them- the relationship between Jamie and Victoria, for example. Or Turlough and the Black Guardian. Then you have gigantic arcs like "The Key of Time".

In other words, it doesn't really sound like you watched much classic Who. If anything, the new series is much more, "you can watch in any order" than the old series.
 
ecl
2014-07-19 09:30:53 AM  
There can be only one...
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2014-07-19 09:31:50 AM  

luidprand: /Who the hell has a had a digital watch in the last 20 years? My brother, born in the mid 80s, has literally never seen one.


I find that kinda hard to believe. 20 years ago it was 1994 and the few people who had cellphones weren't using them as watches.

Also, does your brother have working eyes? Then he's seen a farking digital watch. I'm 30 and nobody in my peer group owned a cellphone until college.
 
2014-07-19 09:31:58 AM  

luidprand: It is a much more mature work in a lot of ways, especially in that it presented a coherent universe that wasn't rewritten in every book and had consistent characters.


It definitely works better as a novel. I just never found it  funny, though.
 
2014-07-19 09:34:38 AM  
Shooting scenes in rock quarries?
 
2014-07-19 09:36:10 AM  

fusillade762: You mean terrible pacing, shiatty costumes and zero-budget special effects?


Yes, but you'll love it because it's the only thing on TV.
 
ecl
2014-07-19 09:36:36 AM  

Gunther: luidprand: /Who the hell has a had a digital watch in the last 20 years? My brother, born in the mid 80s, has literally never seen one.

I find that kinda hard to believe. 20 years ago it was 1994 and the few people who had cellphones weren't using them as watches.

Also, does your brother have working eyes? Then he's seen a farking digital watch. I'm 30 and nobody in my peer group owned a cellphone until college.


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2014-07-19 09:37:32 AM  

t3knomanser: In other words, it doesn't really sound like you watched much classic Who. If anything, the new series is much more, "you can watch in any order" than the old series.


Yeah, the people slagging on the Classic show seems never to have seen it, or, at least, saw one or two episodes and decided that the other few hundred weren't worth the time.
 
2014-07-19 09:39:33 AM  

luidprand: t3knomanser: luidprand: Not everything Adams did was gold. See Salmon of Doubt

Well, it was unpublished at the time of his death for a reason. Honestly, though, I didn't really enjoy anything in the Dirk Gently series.

I always preferred Dirk Gently to HHGtG. It is a much more mature work in a lot of ways, especially in that it presented a coherent universe that wasn't rewritten in every book and had consistent characters. Hitchhikers was always about the jokes, and a lot of stuff that was funny in the 70s and 80s is just is confusing nowadays. It also suffered from being a radio play first, which means the characters had to be much broader and without nuance.

/Who the hell has a had a digital watch in the last 20 years? My brother, born in the mid 80s, has literally never seen one.
//I did think HHGtG 3 and 4 were the best of the series. Mostly Harmless seemed kind of spiteful and the removal of Fennchurch was poorly handled


Mostly Harmless was written when Adams was going through a bad time in his life (a divorce I think). He said he regretted writing it.
 
2014-07-19 09:43:49 AM  
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2014-07-19 09:45:19 AM  

Duane Dibbley: It means they'll finally bring back the Quarks!

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YAY QUARKS!
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and the dominators too, they were nearly as daft.


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I instantly love everything about you.
 
2014-07-19 09:48:35 AM  

Gunther: luidprand: /Who the hell has a had a digital watch in the last 20 years? My brother, born in the mid 80s, has literally never seen one.

I find that kinda hard to believe. 20 years ago it was 1994 and the few people who had cellphones weren't using them as watches.

Also, does your brother have working eyes? Then he's seen a farking digital watch. I'm 30 and nobody in my peer group owned a cellphone until college.


Regular watches were all over the place. Digital watches, not so much. They petered out around the mid- to late-80s. By the time my brother was aware of such things, in the early 90s, almost everyone had gone back to clock faces. Digital watches still exist, of course, but are no longer anywhere near as prominent, especially if you aren't around the sort of people who buy sports watches.

/Remember trying to find a replacement calculator watch when I went to high school. Not a single one to be found.
//I think Swatch killed them.
///Had a second-hand PacMan watch without the joystick. Still fun to play.
 
2014-07-19 10:02:55 AM  
All Right! MORE BUBBLE WRAP AND SPRAY PAINT!

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2014-07-19 10:39:45 AM  

t3knomanser: rummonkey: This is one of the reasons I likes Tennants doctor better.

I had this problem back in the Tennant era. In the Tennant era, the problem was that there was always a "the universe hangs in the balance" overarching plot, even in the small episodes. Tennant's best episodes were the ones that avoided this- "The Girl in the Fireplace", "Blink", "Midnight" and "Human Nature/Family of Blood" leap to mind. Each series, on the other hand, ended with some terrible hand-wavy, fate-of-the-universe bullshiat. The worst was the DoctorDonna one, where the entire epic threat is defused by a round of frantic button pushing and shouted technobabble.


David Tennant was at his best as the Doctor when Davies gave him enough time to thoroughly chew his scenery.
 
2014-07-19 10:40:10 AM  

ecl: Gunther: luidprand: /Who the hell has a had a digital watch in the last 20 years? My brother, born in the mid 80s, has literally never seen one.

I find that kinda hard to believe. 20 years ago it was 1994 and the few people who had cellphones weren't using them as watches.

Also, does your brother have working eyes? Then he's seen a farking digital watch. I'm 30 and nobody in my peer group owned a cellphone until college.



and lolwtf


Obviously, he's using his phone to take a picture of Slater's junk.
 
ecl
2014-07-19 11:03:31 AM  

FirstNationalBastard: ecl: Gunther: luidprand: /Who the hell has a had a digital watch in the last 20 years? My brother, born in the mid 80s, has literally never seen one.

I find that kinda hard to believe. 20 years ago it was 1994 and the few people who had cellphones weren't using them as watches.

Also, does your brother have working eyes? Then he's seen a farking digital watch. I'm 30 and nobody in my peer group owned a cellphone until college.

and lolwtf

Obviously, he's using his phone to take a picture of Slater's junk.


I figured it was Gay calling for Slater's crotch.
 
2014-07-19 11:06:19 AM  

t3knomanser: rummonkey: This is one of the reasons I likes Tennants doctor better.

I had this problem back in the Tennant era. In the Tennant era, the problem was that there was always a "the universe hangs in the balance" overarching plot, even in the small episodes. Tennant's best episodes were the ones that avoided this- "The Girl in the Fireplace", "Blink", "Midnight" and "Human Nature/Family of Blood" leap to mind. Each series, on the other hand, ended with some terrible hand-wavy, fate-of-the-universe bullshiat. The worst was the DoctorDonna one, where the entire epic threat is defused by a round of frantic button pushing and shouted technobabble.


I disagree. The worst was Dobby Doctor turns into Jesus Doctor with the power of prayer. Holy god, did I want to kick something then.
 
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