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(Washington Post)   Guess what happened when Rhode Island accidentally legalized prostitution (and kept street walking and pimping illegal). Go on, guess   (washingtonpost.com) divider line 144
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2014-07-18 01:15:23 PM  
Puritanical America doesn't care about health and safety. Punish the sinner is what is important.
 
2014-07-18 01:44:37 PM  

mediablitz: Puritanical America doesn't care about health and safety. Punish the sinner is what is important.


^ This.  These sinners must pay.

OUR sinners get a free pass.
 
2014-07-18 02:03:38 PM  
In all honesty, we should legalize it. Get the pimps out of the game, mandate regular health checkups, license establishments, and then reap the taxable revenue. Help eliminate the corruption attached to the trade, and put the pimps out of business. Employed prostitutes contribute to the economy, they have legitimate cause to call on police protection, and their johns are safer with licensed sex workers. There is tax revenue to be reaped, and we can end the corruption attached, and offer safer conditions for sex workers and their clients. It will become a licensing issue, and we can task our police to deal with bigger issues. Plus, with legal recourse, those on the streets would have a far better chance to get themselves cleaned up, and away from the influence of predators and those who feed off the trade.
 
2014-07-18 02:10:10 PM  
Scientists: Look, we have proof that legalizing prostitution is safer for everyone involved.

Prudes: LALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALA...
 
2014-07-18 03:43:36 PM  

hubiestubert: In all honesty, we should legalize it. Get the pimps out of the game, mandate regular health checkups, license establishments, and then reap the taxable revenue. Help eliminate the corruption attached to the trade, and put the pimps out of business. Employed prostitutes contribute to the economy, they have legitimate cause to call on police protection, and their johns are safer with licensed sex workers. There is tax revenue to be reaped, and we can end the corruption attached, and offer safer conditions for sex workers and their clients. It will become a licensing issue, and we can task our police to deal with bigger issues. Plus, with legal recourse, those on the streets would have a far better chance to get themselves cleaned up, and away from the influence of predators and those who feed off the trade.


Exactly.  Also, start treating drug addition as a disease rather than a crime, and some piece of shiat pimp won't be able to get a 14 year old hooked on smack and then force her to turn tricks to get another hit.

People are always going to go to whores. If we regulate it, we'll have fewer terrified Ukrainian girls chained to a radiator in a flee bag motel.
 
2014-07-18 03:44:17 PM  
Legal prostitution is a hard sell. You have the religious right on one side, determined that anything that their priest says is bad stays bad. And on the other side you have many feminists that see prostitution, legal or otherwise, as exploitation. Although not all of them...

Still, Prostitution is probably a third rail issue, and nobody will touch it.
 
2014-07-18 04:03:08 PM  
"Let me be clear. I am talking to you about prostitution per se, without more violence, without extra violence, without a woman being hit, without a woman being pushed. Prostitution in and of itself is an abuse of a woman's body... Oh, you say, gang rape is completely different. An innocent woman is walking down the street and she is taken by surprise. Every woman is that same innocent woman. Every woman is taken by surprise. In a prostitute's life, she is taken by surprise over and over and over and over and over again. The gang rape is punctuated by a money exchange. That's all. That's the only difference. But money has a magical quality, doesn't it? You give a woman money and whatever it is that you did to her she wanted, she deserved. Now, we understand about male labor. We understand that men do things they do not like to do in order to earn a wage. When men do alienating labor in a factory we do not say that the money transforms the experience for them such that they loved it, had a good time, and in fact, aspired to nothing else. We look at the boredom, the dead-endedness; we say, surely the quality of a man's life should be better than that."

-Andrea Dworkin
images.nymag.com
 
2014-07-18 04:11:29 PM  
I found my next vacation spot?
 
2014-07-18 04:16:23 PM  
When Rhode Island accidentally legalized prostitution, rape decreased sharply...
the number of rapes reported to police in the state declined by 31 percent


This study must be wrong because I've been told many times that rape is about (patriarchal) power and not about sex.
 
2014-07-18 04:16:55 PM  
Someone fixed the cable?
 
2014-07-18 04:17:54 PM  
Sex? I'm guessing sex. Is it sex?
 
2014-07-18 04:18:34 PM  

SilentStrider: I found my next vacation wet spot?


There ya go. No charge for that one.
 
2014-07-18 04:18:52 PM  

hubiestubert: In all honesty, we should legalize it. Get the pimps out of the game, mandate regular health checkups, license establishments, and then reap the taxable revenue. Help eliminate the corruption attached to the trade[_ image _x_], and put the pimps out of business. Employed prostitutes contribute to the economy, they have legitimate cause to call on police protection, and their johns are safer with licensed sex workers. There is tax revenue to be reaped, and we can end the corruption attached, and offer safer conditions for sex workers and their clients. It will become a licensing issue, and we can task our police to deal with bigger issues. Plus, with legal recourse, those on the streets would have a far better chance to get themselves cleaned up, and away from the influence of predators and those who feed off the trade.


So very much THIS.
 
2014-07-18 04:20:16 PM  
Legislating morality has always worked out for the best of everyone.

If it was good enough for Moses, it's good enough for 'merica.
 
2014-07-18 04:20:32 PM  
Farkers in the state could get laid?

Seriously, what two adults do with their bodies is of no concern of the state.

They should have a video camera handy and just say they are doing a porn shoot.
 
2014-07-18 04:21:04 PM  
Wait, so the rapist decided to pay or something?

/rape isn't about sex
 
2014-07-18 04:21:16 PM  
FTFA
Yet opponents argue that legal prostitution would encourage traffickers to kidnap women and girls into lives of sexual slavery.

Bullshiat.  The fact that it's illegal makes it harder for trafficked people to seek legal assistance. We know full well that pimps threaten to "turn them in" if they go to the cops, almost as a matter of course.
 
2014-07-18 04:21:28 PM  
I have to spend a lot of money on a woman to have legal sex with her in the USA.
In Canada, where prostitution is legal, I have to spend nothing, they just give it away.

Result?
I don't date American women anymore. Fark them. I don't need the head games.
Canadian women appreciate a guy who isn't into hockey, likes to cook, and can dance.
You take them out dancing on hockey night, and make them dinner and they do the wild thing gratis.
 
2014-07-18 04:22:06 PM  
Providence is a magical place. Allowed me into a bar, at age 18, using my actual ID.
 
2014-07-18 04:23:55 PM  

RoyBatty: When Rhode Island accidentally legalized prostitution, rape decreased sharply...
the number of rapes reported to police in the state declined by 31 percent

This study must be wrong because I've been told many times that rape is about (patriarchal) power and not about sex.


If you had RTFA, you would see that issue gets addressed.

I know that's alot to ask.

MFAWG: Someone fixed the cable?


That's farking awesome. + eleventy internets to you!
 
2014-07-18 04:24:30 PM  

RoyBatty: When Rhode Island accidentally legalized prostitution, rape decreased sharply...
the number of rapes reported to police in the state declined by 31 percent

This study must be wrong because I've been told many times that rape is about (patriarchal) power and not about sex.


Came here wondering the same thing.
 
2014-07-18 04:24:39 PM  

Because People in power are Stupid: "Let me be clear. I am talking to you about prostitution per se, without more violence, without extra violence, without a woman being hit, without a woman being pushed. Prostitution in and of itself is an abuse of a woman's body... Oh, you say, gang rape is completely different. An innocent woman is walking down the street and she is taken by surprise. Every woman is that same innocent woman. Every woman is taken by surprise. In a prostitute's life, she is taken by surprise over and over and over and over and over again. The gang rape is punctuated by a money exchange. That's all. That's the only difference. But money has a magical quality, doesn't it? You give a woman money and whatever it is that you did to her she wanted, she deserved. Now, we understand about male labor. We understand that men do things they do not like to do in order to earn a wage. When men do alienating labor in a factory we do not say that the money transforms the experience for them such that they loved it, had a good time, and in fact, aspired to nothing else. We look at the boredom, the dead-endedness; we say, surely the quality of a man's life should be better than that."

-Andrea Dworkin
[images.nymag.com image 175x175]


Said by someone nobody in their right mind would fark ever.
 
2014-07-18 04:28:40 PM  

Gecko Gingrich: Scientists: Look, we have proof that legalizing prostitution is safer for everyone involved.

Prudes: LALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALA...


To add -

Study: Prices for services went down to increase in workers.

Doctor Lady: Legality will make traffickers more active because they can make more because one part of their risky, illegal business is now partially legal.

Economics: Marginal costs says what?
 
2014-07-18 04:29:00 PM  

mediablitz: Puritanical America doesn't care about health and safety. Punish the sinner is what is important.


Well I see this has been covered.
 
2014-07-18 04:29:09 PM  
Sorry, but I'd never see a pro, too much like sticking your dick in crazy glue.
 
2014-07-18 04:30:22 PM  

SirDigbyChickenCaesar: /rape isn't about sex


I know where you're coming from.  Dogmatic statements like that one are hard to take seriously.

But there's some genuine academic backing to the notion that many rapes aren't about sex.

Suffice it to say, it's more complicated than being just about sex, But you won't hear me endorsing this kind of dogma blindly.
 
2014-07-18 04:30:58 PM  

Because People in power are Stupid: "Let me be clear. I am talking to you about prostitution per se, without more violence, without extra violence, without a woman being hit, without a woman being pushed. Prostitution in and of itself is an abuse of a woman's body... Oh, you say, gang rape is completely different. An innocent woman is walking down the street and she is taken by surprise. Every woman is that same innocent woman. Every woman is taken by surprise. In a prostitute's life, she is taken by surprise over and over and over and over and over again. The gang rape is punctuated by a money exchange. That's all. That's the only difference. But money has a magical quality, doesn't it? You give a woman money and whatever it is that you did to her she wanted, she deserved. Now, we understand about male labor. We understand that men do things they do not like to do in order to earn a wage. When men do alienating labor in a factory we do not say that the money transforms the experience for them such that they loved it, had a good time, and in fact, aspired to nothing else. We look at the boredom, the dead-endedness; we say, surely the quality of a man's life should be better than that."

-Andrea Dworkin


Is she related to the "PIV is always rape, ok?" lady?
 
2014-07-18 04:31:07 PM  

Mikey1969: RoyBatty: When Rhode Island accidentally legalized prostitution, rape decreased sharply...
the number of rapes reported to police in the state declined by 31 percent

This study must be wrong because I've been told many times that rape is about (patriarchal) power and not about sex.

If you had RTFA, you would see that issue gets addressed.

I know that's alot to ask.


Okay, so where does the article address the feminist science claim that rape is about power and not about sex?

FWIW, I did read the article, I don't see the article addressing this claim apart from providing data that seemingly refutes this claim.
 
2014-07-18 04:32:49 PM  

Back Alley Proctologist: RoyBatty: When Rhode Island accidentally legalized prostitution, rape decreased sharply...
the number of rapes reported to police in the state declined by 31 percent

This study must be wrong because I've been told many times that rape is about (patriarchal) power and not about sex.

Came here wondering the same thing.


Seems about 69% of it is about power.
 
2014-07-18 04:35:04 PM  

poison_amy: Is she related to the "PIV is always rape, ok?" lady?


http://www.snopes.com/quotes/mackinnon.asp
 
2014-07-18 04:35:53 PM  

what_now: People are always going to go to whores. If we regulate it, we'll have fewer terrified Ukrainian girls chained to a radiator in a flee bag motel.


Well, we'll just have to take the bad with the good, I suppose.
 
2014-07-18 04:36:20 PM  

roc6783: Gecko Gingrich: Scientists: Look, we have proof that legalizing prostitution is safer for everyone involved.

Prudes: LALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALA...

To add -

Study: Prices for services went down to increase in workers.

Doctor Lady: Legality will make traffickers more active because they can make more because one part of their risky, illegal business is now partially legal.

Economics: Marginal costs says what?


This!  All vice crimes obey the law of supply and demand.  Why go through all the effort of trafficing someone when you won't make any additional money than putting a "Whores wanted" add in the employment section of the local newspaper.
 
2014-07-18 04:36:21 PM  

RoyBatty: When Rhode Island accidentally legalized prostitution, rape decreased sharply...
the number of rapes reported to police in the state declined by 31 percent

This study must be wrong because I've been told many times that rape is about (patriarchal) power and not about sex.


When you break it all down, the end result is always violent theft. On one hand you have psychopaths who crave dominance, on the other you have people that need to get their rocks off so badly that they are willing to attack for it. Rape isn't something to be thrown under one general umbrella theory.

What boils my piss is that psychologists in criminology can theorize all day as to the causes, but authorities rarely implement solutions based on the findings.
 
2014-07-18 04:36:33 PM  
All well and good boys, but I'm here to tell you that the 19th Amendment means you're not getting legalized prostitution in your state any time soon. Except for Nevada which already had it before the amendment was passed, it ain't gonna happen
 
2014-07-18 04:36:43 PM  
Anyone else notice that every state listed was also seeing a drop in those crimes? Granted RI was the largest, but they were all on the down swing.

/not exactly stirring results.
 
2014-07-18 04:36:50 PM  
Women would never allow legalization. Dating alone is rough enough without cutting out the middle man and simplifying the transaction.
 
2014-07-18 04:37:29 PM  
imgs.xkcd.com
 
2014-07-18 04:37:36 PM  
Funny how one group of people puts their fingers in their ears and screams "lalalala" when it's prostitution, and another does exactly the same thing when it's "concealed carry."

Scientific ignorance in the name of partisanship -- it's not just for politicians!
 
2014-07-18 04:39:22 PM  

Dinki: Legal prostitution is a hard sell. You have the religious right on one side, determined that anything that their priest says is bad stays bad. And on the other side you have many feminists that see prostitution, legal or otherwise, as exploitation. Although not all of them...

Still, Prostitution is probably a third rail issue, and nobody will touch it.


Not without a complete layer of latex.

Which is a shame, because legalized prostitution empowers women.
 
2014-07-18 04:41:45 PM  

Lokkii: All well and good boys, but I'm here to tell you that the 19th Amendment means you're not getting legalized prostitution in your state any time soon. Except for Nevada which already had it before the amendment was passed, it ain't gonna happen


It's just a matter of messaging and optics.  And enlightened education.

OK, so you're right.  Not gonna happen.
 
2014-07-18 04:42:58 PM  

drop: Funny how one group of people puts their fingers in their ears and screams "lalalala" when it's prostitution, and another does exactly the same thing when it's "concealed carry."

Scientific ignorance in the name of partisanship -- it's not just for politicians!


If I walk around with my fingers in my ears, how am I going to draw my weapon?
 
2014-07-18 04:43:02 PM  
What happened South Dakota around 1994? Did they accidentally legalize prostitution for a while?

Causation / correlation, etc.
 
2014-07-18 04:43:45 PM  

rkiller1: Sorry, but I'd never see a pro, too much like sticking your dick in crazy glue.


And never stick your dick in crazy!
 
2014-07-18 04:46:17 PM  

RoyBatty: Okay, so where does the article address the feminist science claim that rape is about power and not about sex?


Let's talk about the alternate hypothesis for a second.  The one that alleges that it's a strictly reproductive urge biological product.  The problem isn't so much that it's never the case that biology, attraction, and reproductive urges never play into rape, because of course sex is always going to be influenced by those factors.

But there are data that raise substantial questions with that being the primary or main cause.


 This is a challenging requirement to meet in the case of human rape, considering that 29% of rape victims are ten years of age or under,13 that much rape involves oral or anal intercourse, that only 50% of males achieve ejaculation during vaginal rape,14 and that male-male rape makes up approximately 23% of rapes.

These numbers don't correspond to the levels seen in non-rape reproductive sex behaviors.  It suggests a different psychology at work.  The data doesn't support the "sex alone" argument.
 
2014-07-18 04:46:21 PM  
img.fark.net
 
2014-07-18 04:46:44 PM  
Who called the fedora squad?
 
2014-07-18 04:47:53 PM  

SilentStrider: I found my next vacation spot?


G
 
2014-07-18 04:49:16 PM  

Gonzee: [imgs.xkcd.com image 459x185]


i.imgur.com

This appears to be more "natural experiment" than mere correlation thus  paving the way for causal inference,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_experiment

i.imgur.com

In the study there is a comparison of Rhode Island, before and after (and after) legalization with "control" states the same years who did not change the legal status of prostitution.

That said, it would be good to compare in particular what happened in South Dakota in the mid 90s with what happened in Rhode Island in the mid 00s.

I suspect South Dakota and similar drops in other states were reflections of the Clinton boom economy.
 
2014-07-18 04:49:19 PM  

Because People in power are Stupid: "Let me be clear. I am talking to you about prostitution per se, without more violence, without extra violence, without a woman being hit, without a woman being pushed. Prostitution in and of itself is an abuse of a woman's body... Oh, you say, gang rape is completely different. An innocent woman is walking down the street and she is taken by surprise. Every woman is that same innocent woman. Every woman is taken by surprise. In a prostitute's life, she is taken by surprise over and over and over and over and over again. The gang rape is punctuated by a money exchange. That's all. That's the only difference. But money has a magical quality, doesn't it? You give a woman money and whatever it is that you did to her she wanted, she deserved. Now, we understand about male labor. We understand that men do things they do not like to do in order to earn a wage. When men do alienating labor in a factory we do not say that the money transforms the experience for them such that they loved it, had a good time, and in fact, aspired to nothing else. We look at the boredom, the dead-endedness; we say, surely the quality of a man's life should be better than that."

-Andrea Dworkin
[images.nymag.com image 175x175]


I wish people would stop quoting that guy. And stop showing his picture.
 
2014-07-18 04:51:11 PM  

Gonzee: [imgs.xkcd.com image 459x185]


Correlation is the first tool of inference.  And it's ethically impossible to have a controlled experiment on prostitution.

No ethics board in the world would sign off on that paper, and you'd be eaten alive in peer review.
 
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