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(World Review)   Because the Middle East's oil supply has been getting repeatedly kicked in the nuts (looking at you, Iraq), the US shale revolution is picking up the slack like a champ   (worldreview.info ) divider line
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2014-07-18 01:41:46 PM  
For now. But that's good enough, nobody has time to care about the future.
 
2014-07-18 02:11:02 PM  
And all it costs us is our usable water supply.
 
2014-07-18 02:47:21 PM  
And Earthquakes.
 
2014-07-18 02:48:13 PM  
So, THAT was our plan.

I get it now!
 
2014-07-18 02:48:30 PM  
Ooh, a fracking thread.

My chance to share the fact that research has shown fracking is worse about contamination than traditional wells:
http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2014/06/25/1323422111

(Merely being 1.6x as likely to leak didn't seem like enough to justify its own submission)
 
2014-07-18 02:50:22 PM  
But I have been repeatedly assured that Obama hates anything American and is driving the fossil fuels companies into the ground.
 
2014-07-18 02:52:16 PM  

Mikey1969: But I have been repeatedly assured that Obama hates anything American and is driving the fossil fuels companies into the ground.


I have some bad news for you.

Fox News and the Republican media machine... they lie, Mike. They lie so much. It's ridiculous how much they lie.
 
2014-07-18 02:52:23 PM  

Sliding Carp: And all it costs us is our usable water supply.


Came to say this.  Hard to spin the shale boom as a positive.
 
2014-07-18 02:53:36 PM  

Sliding Carp: And all it costs us is our usable water supply.


With all the money we'll save on cheap domestic oil, we can buy our water from one of those loser countries with strong environmental protection laws.  The Free Market works!
 
2014-07-18 02:53:37 PM  
Don't say that like it's a good thing, subby. It's like one step forward, two steps back.
 
2014-07-18 02:54:46 PM  
Drinking water isn't a human right.
 
2014-07-18 02:56:05 PM  
Seems like a trade-off.  We've seen what happens when we end up beholden to ME countries due to their oil supplies.  Now, we're less reliant on them, but the cost comes at the expense of our environment.

The solution, it seems, is to get off oil entirely.

I suggest we all invest in Tesla.
 
2014-07-18 02:56:26 PM  
Come on, everything is cooler when its on fire. Think about it. Fireworks, bananas foster, the water coming out of your sink. Cool!
 
2014-07-18 02:57:19 PM  
Fracking is NOT a "spiffy" response to oil supply disruption.
 
2014-07-18 02:57:44 PM  

beb004: And Earthquakes.


aha! but thanks to using up the water there won't be any tidal waves from the quakes!

Bingo libs!

/still tidal waves to me damnit...
 
2014-07-18 02:58:48 PM  
Once OPEC opens the spigot again it's gonna be a short revolution.
 
2014-07-18 03:02:42 PM  
Just wait until the research Ozymandias is working on comes to fruition.
 
2014-07-18 03:04:23 PM  

Obama's Reptiloid Master: Mikey1969: But I have been repeatedly assured that Obama hates anything American and is driving the fossil fuels companies into the ground.

I have some bad news for you.

Fox News and the Republican media machine... they lie, Mike. They lie so much. It's ridiculous how much they lie.


Joke's on YOU, because I have been repeatedly assured that Fox News is 100% honest, 100% of the time.

Checkmate!!
 
2014-07-18 03:04:58 PM  

Fart_Machine: Once OPEC opens the spigot again it's gonna be a short revolution.


Um no. OPEC is meaningless to the US.
First the US is the single largest oil producer in the world and we have the spigot open as wide it will go.
Next, besides ourselves who is the major source of our oil? Canada and Mexico, not OPEC members.
Finally, as was noted recently on why the Iraq war was not even about oil is that China and India are moving in on Iraq and the rest of the middle east oil production, as well as major players in Nigeria.
OPEC is just a bad 70s hold over with no clout.
 
2014-07-18 03:05:05 PM  
While we can't easily eliminate our need for fossil fuels, it isn't that difficult to cut a vast majority of it out of your lives, especially the uses of it that require burning it up.

www.solar-energy.co.uk
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www.spidersweb.pl
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m1.e-heatingcooling.com

= the affordable elimination of 90% of the fossil fuels you directly consume. Only when Americans get the concept through their thick skulls that fossil fuel over-consumption is largely their own fault, is when we'll quit wasting money on burning up non-renewable resources.
 
2014-07-18 03:06:12 PM  

Sliding Carp: And all it costs us is our usable water supply.


It's only a matter of time until they find that sweet massive shale reserve right under Lake Michigan.
 
2014-07-18 03:08:50 PM  

MrSteve007: While we can't easily eliminate our need for fossil fuels, it isn't that difficult to cut a vast majority of it out of your lives, especially the uses of it that require burning it up.

[www.solar-energy.co.uk image 450x338]
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[www.spidersweb.pl image 850x566]
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[m1.e-heatingcooling.com image 600x600]

= the affordable elimination of 90% of the fossil fuels you directly consume. Only when Americans get the concept through their thick skulls that fossil fuel over-consumption is largely their own fault, is when we'll quit wasting money on burning up non-renewable resources.


Ah yes it only requires being able to buy ones own house! If you rent, oh well!
 
2014-07-18 03:17:47 PM  

Sliding Carp: And all it costs us is our usable water supply.


Just out of curiousity, since fraking water is allegedly injected well below the water table, is it fair to say that that water is essentially removed from the water cycle forever? Or does it allegedly percolate back up after a while?

Sure, I could look this up on reputable sites, but I want the kind of armchair opinion only Fark can provide.
 
2014-07-18 03:22:17 PM  

Lochsteppe: Sliding Carp: And all it costs us is our usable water supply.

With all the money we'll save on cheap domestic oil, we can buy our water from one of those loser countries with strong environmental protection laws.  The Free Market works!


Our Canadian neighbors are nice people and all. But if we really need water way can sotake it from them! Problem solved.
 
2014-07-18 03:23:13 PM  

dobro: Fracking is NOT a "spiffy" response to oil supply disruption.


Oh, calm down.

Fracking is something that happens to "fly-over" states. And possibly the South.

Madewithrealbitsofpanther: Fart_Machine: Once OPEC opens the spigot again it's gonna be a short revolution.

Um no. OPEC is meaningless to the US.
First the US is the single largest oil producer in the world and we have the spigot open as wide it will go.
Next, besides ourselves who is the major source of our oil? Canada and Mexico, not OPEC members.
Finally, as was noted recently on why the Iraq war was not even about oil is that China and India are moving in on Iraq and the rest of the middle east oil production, as well as major players in Nigeria.
OPEC is just a bad 70s hold over with no clout.


OPEC has NO clout. Except setting the price of worldwide price of oil.
 
2014-07-18 03:25:25 PM  

Uzzah: Just out of curiousity, since fraking water is allegedly injected well below the water table, is it fair to say that that water is essentially removed from the water cycle forever? Or does it allegedly percolate back up after a while?


That's actually a question I'd also like to see answered.  I don't see how water can be said to go away forever.  My impression from a fair amount of reading is that the water is removed from where it can be gotten easily, which is pretty much the only places we ever get any of our water from,  and then heavily and fatally contaminated.  Surely eventually it ends up as plain water again, but I don't have any idea as to time scale and process.  I'd love to hear a geologist / hydrologist explain what happens over time once it gets pumped back out of sight out of mind.

Fracking certainly seems to be contributing to depletion of local water supplies, though, unless literally everything I've read about it has been enviro-nutbag bs.
 
2014-07-18 03:30:38 PM  

MrSteve007: While we can't easily eliminate our need for fossil fuels, it isn't that difficult to cut a vast majority of it out of your lives, especially the uses of it that require burning it up.

[www.solar-energy.co.uk image 450x338]
+
[www.spidersweb.pl image 850x566]
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[m1.e-heatingcooling.com image 600x600]

= the affordable elimination of 90% of the fossil fuels you directly consume. Only when Americans get the concept through their thick skulls that fossil fuel over-consumption is largely their own fault, is when we'll quit wasting money on burning up non-renewable resources.


What's that I see on that Leaf -- a California license plate?
 
2014-07-18 03:33:49 PM  
I never trust any oil. gas, anything, company whenever they try to do things for the "sake" of the environment. Whenever they do something I am ALWAYS on the look out as to why and for what purpose. 

I have no reason to believe that they are not trying to fark over the tax payers because that's all they've ever done.
 
2014-07-18 03:39:34 PM  
Thanks Obama!

1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2014-07-18 03:46:06 PM  

Sammichless: Except setting the price of worldwide price of oil.


No they don't, they only control 40% of worldwide production, and they do not operate in lock step like they did in the 70s.
Ecuador has screwed itself up with the Petroecuador/Texaco clean up and is not going to be helpful in anyway.
Nigeria is basically run by Shell and China at this point, neither of which want to fark around with production much
Saudi Arabia doesn't want to piss off America too much at all.
Qatar and UAE realized the oil money won't last forever and have been trying desperately to diversify their economies.
Venezuela probably lacks any institutional strength to screw around with the market at all.
So yeah quite the paper tiger.
 
2014-07-18 03:48:11 PM  
Hooray!!!!

Not.
 
2014-07-18 03:49:09 PM  
The Teahadist I play poker with insists the U.S. has fallen behind in oil production because of Obama and such and reasons.  I've pointed out articles like this where we are now the top oil producer in the world because of all the drilling happening and his response is, "But that drilling isn't happening on FEDERAL lands!"

He doesn't just move the goalposts, he punts them across the field.
 
2014-07-18 03:56:57 PM  

Uzzah: Sliding Carp: And all it costs us is our usable water supply.

Just out of curiousity, since fraking water is allegedly injected well below the water table, is it fair to say that that water is essentially removed from the water cycle forever? Or does it allegedly percolate back up after a while?

Sure, I could look this up on reputable sites, but I want the kind of armchair opinion only Fark can provide.


The answer would require a lot of science that the people approving the fracking contracts don't believe in.
 
2014-07-18 03:58:12 PM  

Sliding Carp: My impression from a fair amount of reading is that the water is removed from where it can be gotten easily, which is pretty much the only places we ever get any of our water from, and then heavily and fatally contaminated.


There's an entire segment of the domestic oil and gas industry devoted to recycling frac water.

People seem oblivious to the fact that brine is a common reservoir fluid and saltwater disposal has been part & parcel of the domestic industry since, like, forever.
 
2014-07-18 04:08:54 PM  

Madewithrealbitsofpanther: Fart_Machine: Once OPEC opens the spigot again it's gonna be a short revolution.

Um no. OPEC is meaningless to the US.
First the US is the single largest oil producer in the world and we have the spigot open as wide it will go.
Next, besides ourselves who is the major source of our oil? Canada and Mexico, not OPEC members.
Finally, as was noted recently on why the Iraq war was not even about oil is that China and India are moving in on Iraq and the rest of the middle east oil production, as well as major players in Nigeria.
OPEC is just a bad 70s hold over with no clout.


Oil is a fungible commodity. The Iraq War was about Iraqi oil -- getting it to market. As long as we were keeping the clamps on Saddam, that wasn't going to happen.
 
2014-07-18 04:12:08 PM  

yakmans_dad: The Iraq War was about Iraqi oil


Which is why we stopped the Chinese from coming into claim that oil production! No, the Iraq war was not about oil. It was about transferring public funds to private hands with no oversight.
 
2014-07-18 04:15:22 PM  

Madewithrealbitsofpanther: yakmans_dad: The Iraq War was about Iraqi oil

Which is why we stopped the Chinese from coming into claim that oil production! No, the Iraq war was not about oil. It was about transferring public funds to private hands with no oversight.


Can't it be both?
 
2014-07-18 04:18:51 PM  
Bah, who needs water. We'll worry about that later.
 
2014-07-18 04:18:53 PM  

meat0918: Can't it be both?


It really wasn't though. Cheney had his eyes on the real prize for energy, getting the Halliburton exemption into the 2005 energy bill that exempted fracking from the SDWA which is what has facilitated this entire shale oil boom in the first place.
 
2014-07-18 04:21:55 PM  
How soon will they realize they can neither drink oil nor eat money?
 
2014-07-18 04:34:48 PM  

Bith Set Me Up: How soon will they realize they can neither drink oil nor eat money?


You can drink oil.  It's digestible too.
 
2014-07-18 04:44:30 PM  

johnny_vegas: Thanks Obama!

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I love the SMH on the front of the truck.
 
2014-07-18 04:53:39 PM  

Madewithrealbitsofpanther: yakmans_dad: The Iraq War was about Iraqi oil

Which is why we stopped the Chinese from coming into claim that oil production! No, the Iraq war was not about oil. It was about transferring public funds to private hands with no oversight.


You could have included the part of my post that discussed that. But didn't.
 
2014-07-18 05:04:23 PM  

Madewithrealbitsofpanther: Fart_Machine: Once OPEC opens the spigot again it's gonna be a short revolution.

Um no. OPEC is meaningless to the US.
First the US is the single largest oil producer in the world and we have the spigot open as wide it will go.
Next, besides ourselves who is the major source of our oil? Canada and Mexico, not OPEC members.
Finally, as was noted recently on why the Iraq war was not even about oil is that China and India are moving in on Iraq and the rest of the middle east oil production, as well as major players in Nigeria.
OPEC is just a bad 70s hold over with no clout.


Uh yeah. We have the spigot wide open and they don't. What happens if and when they increase production and the price drops. Fracking is still more expensive than drilling.
 
2014-07-18 06:10:06 PM  

sammyk: Our Canadian neighbors are nice people and all. But if we really need water way can so take it from them! Problem solved.


You say that like we haven't anticipated that day coming for at least 40 years now.  How, precisely, do you plan on getting it from here to there in a secure fashion unless we agree to it?  Hint, bulk water transfers were specifically addressed in the 1986 FTA and reaffirmed again in NAFTA.

And if you want to take it by force, say some massive pipelines- Ok. You'll just be building the delivery system by which we'll poison or irradiate you.

/we're nice until we're not
 
2014-07-18 06:28:35 PM  

unyon: sammyk: Our Canadian neighbors are nice people and all. But if we really need water way can so take it from them! Problem solved.

You say that like we haven't anticipated that day coming for at least 40 years now.  How, precisely, do you plan on getting it from here to there in a secure fashion unless we agree to it?  Hint, bulk water transfers were specifically addressed in the 1986 FTA and reaffirmed again in NAFTA.

And if you want to take it by force, say some massive pipelines- Ok. You'll just be building the delivery system by which we'll poison or irradiate you.

/we're nice until we're not


You haven't been paying attention, have you?

Our CURRENT water supply is so contaminated that our water is flammable!

You Canadians, do your worst....... It's gonna be nothing compared to what we already do to ourselves!
 
2014-07-18 06:33:12 PM  
Anti-frackers are anti-sfience nutjobs that need to be ignored.

Usually the same folks who thought peak oil was going to hit years ago.

But they keep getting taken seriously despite being nearly always wrong.
 
2014-07-18 06:47:19 PM  

Mrbogey: Anti-frackers are anti-sfience nutjobs that need to be ignored.

Usually the same folks who thought peak oil was going to hit years ago.

But they keep getting taken seriously despite being nearly always wrong.


I do not believe that they get taken all that seriously.

Also, fringe Conservatives don't believe in science, any of it. Even basic stuff like dinosaurs, and the age of the planet.

Fringe Liberals don't believe in science either...... but, only when it benefits a multi-billion dollar industry.
They feel that they have already been fooled by the tobacco industry, and the flame retardant chemical industry, etc.

I am Liberal, and not terribly against fracking (with government oversight)..... But, you should admit, fringe Conservatives are FAR more embarrassing when it comes to science!
 
2014-07-18 07:10:59 PM  

johnny_vegas: Thanks Obama!

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"Shake My Head"

so appropriate.
 
2014-07-18 07:38:46 PM  

Uzzah: Sliding Carp: And all it costs us is our usable water supply.

Just out of curiousity, since fraking water is allegedly injected well below the water table, is it fair to say that that water is essentially removed from the water cycle forever? Or does it allegedly percolate back up after a while?

Sure, I could look this up on reputable sites, but I want the kind of armchair opinion only Fark can provide.


Non-potable water is used, then reclaimed for use on the next well.
 
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