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(Talking Points Memo)   From the hindsight is 20/20 department: McCain says he probably wouldn't have invaded Iraq if he had been elected in 2000   (talkingpointsmemo.com) divider line 121
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2014-07-18 10:22:53 AM
McCain also said he would have found the Lindbergh baby.
 
2014-07-18 10:26:30 AM
Only because his aim would have been off and hit Iran instead.
 
2014-07-18 10:28:35 AM
Probably would have invaded Vietnam just to get even
 
2014-07-18 10:30:40 AM
McCain also would have fixed Wall Street before the crash.
 
2014-07-18 10:51:28 AM
"But it's obvious now, in retrospect, that Saddam Hussein - although he had used weapons of mass destruction - did not have the inventory that we seem to have evidence of," he said, as quoted by CNN. "Which now looking back on it, with the benefit of hindsight, (the evidence) was very flimsy."

No, senator, it's not just obvious now "with the benefit of hindsight" it was pretty obvious then, too, as there were many, many analysts that were calling BS on the "slam dunk" evidence.
 
2014-07-18 10:52:53 AM
nmrsnr:
No, senator, it's not just obvious now "with the benefit of hindsight" it was pretty obvious then, too, as there were many, many analysts that were calling BS on the "slam dunk" evidence.

Nobody wanted to hear any of that then.  We were furious and we wanted blood, anybody's blood.  It was a mistake, but that's how it happened.
 
2014-07-18 10:55:20 AM

nekom: nmrsnr:
No, senator, it's not just obvious now "with the benefit of hindsight" it was pretty obvious then, too, as there were many, many analysts that were calling BS on the "slam dunk" evidence.

Nobody wanted to hear any of that then.  We were furious and we wanted blood, anybody's blood.  It was a mistake, but that's how it happened.


And anyone who said it was bullsh*t was derided and shouted down as being un-American, traitorous, and siding with the terrorists
 
2014-07-18 11:01:33 AM

nmrsnr: "But it's obvious now, in retrospect, that Saddam Hussein - although he had used weapons of mass destruction - did not have the inventory that we seem to have evidence of," he said, as quoted by CNN. "Which now looking back on it, with the benefit of hindsight, (the evidence) was very flimsy."

No, senator, it's not just obvious now "with the benefit of hindsight" it was pretty obvious then, too, as there were many, many analysts that were calling BS on the "slam dunk" evidence.


This. Remember how we scoffed at Hans Blix and the UN when they said Iraq had no WMDs?
 
2014-07-18 11:10:13 AM
I tend to think he may be telling the truth on that. Rumsfeld and Company went into office hot for Iraq. The Clinton Administration had made "regime change" the official goal of the US in terms of its long term goals in Iraq, and I think McCain would have continued that, but I don't think he would have gotten it into his head to go forward with an actual war. A lot of Bush's advisers subscribed to the idea that Iraq could be used to politically reshape the region. I don't know if McCain would have surrounded himself with advisers of that same school of thought.
 
2014-07-18 11:32:14 AM
 he probably would have hesitated to send U.S. troops into Iraq

So it would have started like 3 hours later then?

nmrsnr: "But it's obvious now, in retrospect, that Saddam Hussein - although he had used weapons of mass destruction - did not have the inventory that we seem to have evidence of," he said, as quoted by CNN. "Which now looking back on it, with the benefit of hindsight, (the evidence) was very flimsy."

No, senator, it's not just obvious now "with the benefit of hindsight" it was pretty obvious then, too, as there were many, many analysts that were calling BS on the "slam dunk" evidence.


THIS. Seriously how long ago does he think this was?  Does he think people don't remember the obvious lies at that time?

What evidence? Colin Powell with a test tube of fake anthrax and a cartoon drawing of a mobile WMD launching platform wasn't evidence. Curveball wasn't evidence. Yellowcake wasn't evidence.
 
2014-07-18 12:00:25 PM

vernonFL: McCain also said he would have found the Lindbergh baby.


He would have stopped Hitler's rise to power.
 
2014-07-18 12:00:52 PM
I see no reason to accept the products of McCain's mental incontinence on this topic or any other any longer.

He crashed his reputation better than any plane he's ever piloted.
 
2014-07-18 12:01:37 PM

BalugaJoe: vernonFL: McCain also said he would have found the Lindbergh baby.

He would have stopped Hitler's rise to power.


He would have tripped Hannibal's elephants.
 
2014-07-18 12:12:07 PM
He would have stopped the fire on the USS Forrestal
 
2014-07-18 12:12:54 PM

Diogenes: BalugaJoe: vernonFL: McCain also said he would have found the Lindbergh baby.

He would have stopped Hitler's rise to power.

He would have tripped Hannibal's elephants.


He would have stopped hyperinflation in the first nanoseconds after the big bang.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2014-07-18 12:21:11 PM
If he knows what to do in the Middle East, why didn't he have a word with Allied leaders when they were redrawing boundaries after the Great War?
 
2014-07-18 12:34:51 PM
Why hasn't someone parked that senile old fart in a nursing home?
 
2014-07-18 12:35:37 PM

vernonFL: nmrsnr: "But it's obvious now, in retrospect, that Saddam Hussein - although he had used weapons of mass destruction - did not have the inventory that we seem to have evidence of," he said, as quoted by CNN. "Which now looking back on it, with the benefit of hindsight, (the evidence) was very flimsy."

No, senator, it's not just obvious now "with the benefit of hindsight" it was pretty obvious then, too, as there were many, many analysts that were calling BS on the "slam dunk" evidence.

This. Remember how we scoffed at Hans Blix and the UN when they said Iraq had no WMDs?


Dear John;

Natalie Maines of the Dixie Chicks would love to hear you apology.
 
2014-07-18 12:35:51 PM
How long until the shouts of RINO begin?
 
2014-07-18 12:38:10 PM
This sounds a lot like Time Machine envy to me.
 
2014-07-18 12:38:10 PM
He would have nuked it instead.
 
2014-07-18 12:39:16 PM

nmrsnr: No, senator, it's not just obvious now "with the benefit of hindsight" it was pretty obvious then, too, as there were many, many analysts that were calling BS on the "slam dunk" evidence.


Not to mention the single person in the world with the single greatest expertise on Iraqi WMDs, and had actually been in the country for that express purpose for years.

//The way in which Hans Blix wasn't even questioned once by congress was all the evidence I needed that they weren't interested in facts.
 
2014-07-18 12:39:38 PM

Poopspasm: How long until the shouts of RINO begin?


They've been going on since the 2000 primaries.  And McCain took them to heart.
 
2014-07-18 12:41:15 PM
McCain would have successfully defended Sedan against the Germans in 1940.
 
2014-07-18 12:42:07 PM
If he had been elected in 2000 Iraq would be our 15th most recent war.
 
2014-07-18 12:42:48 PM

vernonFL: McCain also said he would have found the Lindbergh baby.


It went missing again?
 
2014-07-18 12:43:13 PM
he would have stopped the israel/palestine conflict before it even started
 
2014-07-18 12:44:18 PM
Too bad about John McCain. He was a great candidate in 2000, but the Machine decided that GWB was going to be on the ticket. When it came time for him to have another shot in 2008, he had to play to the base in order to get on the ticket. Now he's just pissed off and bitter, but still wants to be relevant, so he panders to the far right crowd.
 
2014-07-18 12:45:09 PM
in hindsight he never would have had that illegitimate black baby
 
2014-07-18 12:45:39 PM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: nekom: nmrsnr:
No, senator, it's not just obvious now "with the benefit of hindsight" it was pretty obvious then, too, as there were many, many analysts that were calling BS on the "slam dunk" evidence.

Nobody wanted to hear any of that then.  We were furious and we wanted blood, anybody's blood.  It was a mistake, but that's how it happened.

And anyone who said it was bullsh*t was derided and shouted down as being un-American, traitorous, and siding with the terrorists


When you're angry and/or scared, you sometimes say and/or do stupid shiat you regret later on.

Gary-L: Why hasn't someone parked that senile old fart in a nursing home?


Ronald Reagan, John McCain, Strom Thurmond and Mitch McConnell are why we should think about implementing a maximum age in politics.

America isn't just an oligarchy, it's a geriocracy. A government of the elderly, by the elderly, and for the elderly, willing to undermine everyone else's tomorrow so that they can live comfortably today.
 
2014-07-18 12:47:10 PM

Jackson Herring: in hindsight he never would have had that illegitimate black baby


i.imgur.com

mccain 2048 bumper stickers are already on their way
 
2014-07-18 12:47:46 PM

Uncle Pooky: Too bad about John McCain. He was a great candidate in 2000, but the Machine decided that GWB was going to be on the ticket. When it came time for him to have another shot in 2008, he had to play to the base in order to get on the ticket. Now he's just pissed off and bitter, but still wants to be relevant, so he panders to the far right crowd.


The far right crowd hates his guts because they think he's too soft on illegal immigration.
 
2014-07-18 12:49:45 PM
He should just retire and go work for the Hoover Institution.
 
2014-07-18 12:51:29 PM
www.mrhirsh.com
 
2014-07-18 12:53:52 PM

Nabb1: Uncle Pooky: Too bad about John McCain. He was a great candidate in 2000, but the Machine decided that GWB was going to be on the ticket. When it came time for him to have another shot in 2008, he had to play to the base in order to get on the ticket. Now he's just pissed off and bitter, but still wants to be relevant, so he panders to the far right crowd.

The far right crowd hates his guts because they think he's too soft on illegal immigration.


He still panders to them.
 
2014-07-18 12:55:07 PM
McCain wouldn't have invaded.  He would have launched nukes.
 
2014-07-18 12:55:39 PM
Look, we can argue all day about who lied about what a hundred years ago, but that's not going to solve Benghazi today. And the fact of the matter is, Obama failed to lead during the Benghazi crisis. A true leader would have taken these factors into account, instead of just letting good men and women die. A true leader would have ready his history, learned from those mistakes, and foreseen situations that would have allowed him to defuse the current situation that he didn't lead during.These facts are indisputable.

The bottom line is this: Obama failed to lead and for that he is weak, so we must impeach him before he takes our guns and installs Sharia Law.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2014-07-18 12:56:30 PM
It's been fun watching the transformation of McCain's reputation on Fark from greatest man in the history of the universe to most evil politician since Bush. Kind of the reverse of Hillary Clinton.
 
2014-07-18 12:56:46 PM
Sure, the guy who pops eight Viagra just to jerk off to bombing Iran, Russia, and likely Denmark probably wouldn't have started a war.
 
2014-07-18 12:57:51 PM
McCain thinks it's 1965 and he's missing tonight's episode of Bonanza. He's over there with his Ensure beverage dripping down his chin, looking at the TV which isn't even switched on.
 
2014-07-18 12:59:12 PM

BalugaJoe: He should just retire and go work for the Hoover Institution.


It's still the Hoover Administration to McCain.
 
2014-07-18 01:02:26 PM

Bith Set Me Up: MaudlinMutantMollusk: nekom: nmrsnr:
No, senator, it's not just obvious now "with the benefit of hindsight" it was pretty obvious then, too, as there were many, many analysts that were calling BS on the "slam dunk" evidence.

Nobody wanted to hear any of that then.  We were furious and we wanted blood, anybody's blood.  It was a mistake, but that's how it happened.

And anyone who said it was bullsh*t was derided and shouted down as being un-American, traitorous, and siding with the terrorists

When you're angry and/or scared, you sometimes say and/or do stupid shiat you regret later on.

Gary-L: Why hasn't someone parked that senile old fart in a nursing home?

Ronald Reagan, John McCain, Strom Thurmond and Mitch McConnell are why we should think about implementing a maximum age in politics.

America isn't just an oligarchy, it's a geriocracy. A government of the elderly, by the elderly, and for the elderly, willing to undermine everyone else's tomorrow so that they can live comfortably today.



You left out Ted Kennedy, Barbara Boxer, Nancy Pelosi, and Robert Byrd.
 
2014-07-18 01:02:47 PM
You'd have done what you were got-damn told.

 --Dick Cheney
 
2014-07-18 01:07:05 PM

Gary-L: Bith Set Me Up: MaudlinMutantMollusk: nekom: nmrsnr:
No, senator, it's not just obvious now "with the benefit of hindsight" it was pretty obvious then, too, as there were many, many analysts that were calling BS on the "slam dunk" evidence.

Nobody wanted to hear any of that then.  We were furious and we wanted blood, anybody's blood.  It was a mistake, but that's how it happened.

And anyone who said it was bullsh*t was derided and shouted down as being un-American, traitorous, and siding with the terrorists

When you're angry and/or scared, you sometimes say and/or do stupid shiat you regret later on.

Gary-L: Why hasn't someone parked that senile old fart in a nursing home?

Ronald Reagan, John McCain, Strom Thurmond and Mitch McConnell are why we should think about implementing a maximum age in politics.

America isn't just an oligarchy, it's a geriocracy. A government of the elderly, by the elderly, and for the elderly, willing to undermine everyone else's tomorrow so that they can live comfortably today.


You left out Ted Kennedy, Barbara Boxer, Nancy Pelosi, and Robert Byrd.


Ted Kennedy was kind of a self-correcting problem.
 
2014-07-18 01:10:39 PM
Well, great. Now I'm all stabby.
 
2014-07-18 01:16:23 PM
I tend to believe him on the premise that he probably wouldn't have selected Cheney for VP, or Rumsfeld for SoD.

Is there anything out there that indicates who McCain would have chosen for those posts had he become president?
 
2014-07-18 01:16:27 PM
Is it possible for something to be both a flip and a flop?
 
2014-07-18 01:18:00 PM

Jaden Smith First of His Name: Gary-L: Bith Set Me Up: MaudlinMutantMollusk: nekom: nmrsnr:
No, senator, it's not just obvious now "with the benefit of hindsight" it was pretty obvious then, too, as there were many, many analysts that were calling BS on the "slam dunk" evidence.

Nobody wanted to hear any of that then.  We were furious and we wanted blood, anybody's blood.  It was a mistake, but that's how it happened.

And anyone who said it was bullsh*t was derided and shouted down as being un-American, traitorous, and siding with the terrorists

When you're angry and/or scared, you sometimes say and/or do stupid shiat you regret later on.

Gary-L: Why hasn't someone parked that senile old fart in a nursing home?

Ronald Reagan, John McCain, Strom Thurmond and Mitch McConnell are why we should think about implementing a maximum age in politics.

America isn't just an oligarchy, it's a geriocracy. A government of the elderly, by the elderly, and for the elderly, willing to undermine everyone else's tomorrow so that they can live comfortably today.


You left out Ted Kennedy, Barbara Boxer, Nancy Pelosi, and Robert Byrd.

Ted Kennedy was kind of a self-correcting problem.


No.  He and Robert Byrd overstayed their welcome, like the rest of these career geezers.
 
2014-07-18 01:19:35 PM

nekom: nmrsnr:
No, senator, it's not just obvious now "with the benefit of hindsight" it was pretty obvious then, too, as there were many, many analysts that were calling BS on the "slam dunk" evidence.

Nobody wanted to hear any of that then.  We were furious and we wanted blood, anybody's blood.  It was a mistake, but that's how it happened.


It wasn't a mistake, it was a crime.
 
2014-07-18 01:20:37 PM

UNC_Samurai: McCain would have successfully defended Sedan against the Germans in 1940.


I understand that Sedan is now vulnerable to a Coupe.
 
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