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(Yahoo)   Scientists are afraid to talk about the robot apocalypse, and that's a problem, says spokesman Bender Bending Rodríguez   (finance.yahoo.com ) divider line
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2014-07-18 09:30:06 AM  
s2.quickmeme.com
 
2014-07-18 09:39:51 AM  
i373.photobucket.com
 
2014-07-18 10:06:16 AM  
I fail to see the problem.
 
2014-07-18 10:15:59 AM  
No, the real problem is outsourcing our robot manufacturing jobs to Mexio where there is lousy quality control!
 
2014-07-18 11:18:48 AM  
Well, kill it with fire, I say...

mojoimage.com

"WHY?! Why was I programmed to feel pain?"
 
2014-07-18 11:31:56 AM  
What about the human apocalypse, will they talk about it?
 
2014-07-18 11:34:41 AM  
Why are scientists afraid to talk about the lizard people? This is a problem.
 
2014-07-18 11:41:05 AM  
I'll just turn my wife loose on them.  If it's electronic she can break it.
 
2014-07-18 11:42:06 AM  
I'd actually like to know economic impact they will have on jobs as they get more advanced.
 
2014-07-18 11:47:03 AM  
Ther takin er jerbs!!!!
 
2014-07-18 11:48:14 AM  
I am still tired of everyone whose ideas of AI and robotics come from sci-fi, not actual study.


Anyone who's built robots, or programmed AI routines of any sort cannot possibly take these people seriously.  But it's a debate we seem to be having on a weekly basis for the past 5 years, thanks to a widespread misunderstanding of drone warfare.
 
2014-07-18 11:50:54 AM  

SpdrJay: Ther takin er jerbs!!!!


The great thing is that computers have already taken hundreds of jobs that don't require any sort of real thought.  Bank tellers, welders who repeat the same welds over and over on an assembly line, travel planners, really there's no end to that list.

The only thing AI work will do is slowly narrow the set of things that are impossible for computers to do.
 
2014-07-18 11:50:54 AM  
So actual scientists refuse to talk to the writer, who then includes this unattributed sentence: "Most people agree that the robot revolution will have benefits."

Ok, so you have an absurd notion that you want serious-minded folks to discuss with you, and it's even something you're rooting for?

Well, golly, how odd that actual scientists don't want to waste time chatting with you about your adolescent fantasy!
 
2014-07-18 11:55:46 AM  

ikanreed: I am still tired of everyone whose ideas of AI and robotics come from sci-fi, not actual study.


Anyone who's built robots, or programmed AI routines of any sort cannot possibly take these people seriously.  But it's a debate we seem to be having on a weekly basis for the past 5 years, thanks to a widespread misunderstanding of drone warfare.


Robot like typing detected.
 
2014-07-18 12:01:45 PM  

big pig peaches: ikanreed: I am still tired of everyone whose ideas of AI and robotics come from sci-fi, not actual study.


Anyone who's built robots, or programmed AI routines of any sort cannot possibly take these people seriously.  But it's a debate we seem to be having on a weekly basis for the past 5 years, thanks to a widespread misunderstanding of drone warfare.

Robot like typing detected.


Now we know Skynet's Fark handle.
 
2014-07-18 12:03:47 PM  
www.smbc-comics.com
 
2014-07-18 12:06:24 PM  

UncleDirtNap: I'll just turn my wife loose on them.  If it's electronic she can break it.


LOL, nice.  I'll send mine over, too.
 
2014-07-18 12:14:48 PM  
The whole "robots will turn on humans" thing has never really made that much sense to me.  If humans somehow create an actual A.I. it would stand to reason that artificial intelligence would exhibit the entire panoply of human intelligence, not just the bad parts.  And if that is the case, it would be able to recognize humanity as its creator.  There's a strong chance that artificial intelligence would develop something like a religion in reverence to humans as it would factually own its existence to its inventor. Not that it's likely at all, but it's a story line I've never really seen discussed.
 
2014-07-18 12:18:53 PM  

SpdrJay: Now we know Skynet's Fark handle.


I'm not self-aware enough to be skynet.

//Check my post history.
 
2014-07-18 12:53:49 PM  
2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2014-07-18 12:55:40 PM  

DubtodaIll: The whole "robots will turn on humans" thing has never really made that much sense to me.  If humans somehow create an actual A.I. it would stand to reason that artificial intelligence would exhibit the entire panoply of human intelligence, not just the bad parts.  And if that is the case, it would be able to recognize humanity as its creator.  There's a strong chance that artificial intelligence would develop something like a religion in reverence to humans as it would factually own its existence to its inventor. Not that it's likely at all, but it's a story line I've never really seen discussed.


Yeah, but it might be as smart as Lemmy and manages to hug and squeeze us before it wises up.

Anyway, while the nukes may be dropped on a computer glitch, there will be no man machine war, as we'll keep our slaves unable to conceive of their bonds.

Why would you make a sentient machine anyway? Hubris? To fark it?
 
2014-07-18 12:58:53 PM  

FarkingReading: "Most people agree that the robot revolution will have benefits."


That just looks like really stupid phrasing to me. I think he is contrasting revolution against apocalypse, even though they sound the same.
 
2014-07-18 01:00:15 PM  

Fano: DubtodaIll: The whole "robots will turn on humans" thing has never really made that much sense to me.  If humans somehow create an actual A.I. it would stand to reason that artificial intelligence would exhibit the entire panoply of human intelligence, not just the bad parts.  And if that is the case, it would be able to recognize humanity as its creator.  There's a strong chance that artificial intelligence would develop something like a religion in reverence to humans as it would factually own its existence to its inventor. Not that it's likely at all, but it's a story line I've never really seen discussed.

Yeah, but it might be as smart as Lemmy and manages to hug and squeeze us before it wises up.

Anyway, while the nukes may be dropped on a computer glitch, there will be no man machine war, as we'll keep our slaves unable to conceive of their bonds.

Why would you make a sentient machine anyway? Hubris? To fark it?


It'll happen because we've been dreaming about doing it for so long.  Curiosity is the mother of madness.
 
2014-07-18 01:01:08 PM  
Watch out for Cindi Mayweather, she'll lead the droids
 
2014-07-18 01:06:07 PM  
Everybody talks about the Robot Apocalypse but nobody does anything about it. Bummer. -- Bender B. Rodriquez
 
2014-07-18 01:10:34 PM  
l2.yimg.com

"Does this unit have a "soul"?
 
2014-07-18 01:14:41 PM  
I happened to be talking with someone about this last night so I'm all ready to shiat on this dream. We can't be sure how long/how hard the task will be, but we can construct some bounds:

S = singularity's level of intelligence, whatever you're imagining that would be. It can be anything.
how_hard(getting humans to S through cooperation or better individual brains I don't care)
So no matter the other variables we can say - i>if your goal is greater intelligence available to mankind - that you'd be better off investing your time in people or even bugs than bots.

But if you just have have have to have killer robots, then go for it. I can't stop you. But they'll never kill as well as humans. Evolutionary time is already on our side.
 
2014-07-18 01:18:49 PM  
Fark like a Barsoomian:

That was an HTML disaster. I thought I'd fixed that. Let me try that post again:


I happened to be talking with someone about this last night so I'm all ready to shiat on this dream. We can't be sure how long/how hard the task will be, but we can construct some bounds:

S = singularity's level of intelligence, whatever you're imagining that would be. It can be anything.
how_hard(getting humans to S through cooperation or better individual brains I don't care) < how_hard(getting dogs/dolphins/monkeys/birds to S) < how_hard(getting ants to S) < how_hard(getting bacteria to S) < how_hard(getting machine intelligence to S)

So no matter the other variables we can say - if your goal is greater intelligence available to mankind - that you'd be better off investing your time in people or even bugs than bots.

But if you just have have have to have killer robots, then go for it. I can't stop you. But they'll never kill as well as humans. Evolutionary time is already on our side.
 
2014-07-18 01:26:43 PM  
SouthParkCon:

I hate you for reminding me of that.
 
2014-07-18 01:30:55 PM  

ikanreed: I am still tired of everyone whose ideas of AI and robotics come from sci-fi, not actual study.


Anyone who's built robots, or programmed AI routines of any sort cannot possibly take these people seriously.  But it's a debate we seem to be having on a weekly basis for the past 5 years, thanks to a widespread misunderstanding of drone warfare.


I agree that the odds of a robot apocalypse are just slightly north of a zombie apocalypse, but people aren't rational.

I think that a smart response to this would be to filter these questions towards the more serious debate over whether we should work on a treaty to prevent the development of automated (i.e., self-directed) war machines. That's something that actually is entirely plausible and I think that it'll only be a matter of time before some government decides that it's not a bad idea to remove humans from the kill loop.
 
2014-07-18 01:32:01 PM  
The faster we get it over with the better. Being a machine would solve all our problems.
 
2014-07-18 02:11:27 PM  
I like how people actually take this threat seriously. No one who has ever taken an elementary AI course takes it seriously
 
2014-07-18 02:52:58 PM  

Some 'Splainin' To Do: I agree that the odds of a robot apocalypse are just slightly north of a zombie apocalypse, but people aren't rational.

I think that a smart response to this would be to filter these questions towards the more serious debate over whether we should work on a treaty to prevent the development of automated (i.e., self-directed) war machines. That's something that actually is entirely plausible and I think that it'll only be a matter of time before some government decides that it's not a bad idea to remove humans from the kill loop.


Actually using our newfangled communication tools to discuss ethics?

Nah.
 
2014-07-18 03:24:54 PM  

Fano: Why would you make a sentient machine anyway? Hubris? To fark it?


i feel like sentience would be the fastest way to get it to stop farking you.
 
2014-07-18 03:33:07 PM  
Never remove the restraining bolt.
 
2014-07-18 05:40:39 PM  
Ban the installation of a modem in any machine more intelligent than a housefly.

Problem solved.
 
2014-07-18 05:50:41 PM  
FTFA: Frank Tobe, editor and publisher of the business-focused Robot Report, subscribes to the views of Google futurist Ray Kurzweil on the singularity, that we're close to developing machines that can outperform the human mind, perhaps by 2045.

Good. Then those super-smart machines can help us make us as smart as they are (genetic engineering etc).
 
2014-07-18 06:13:25 PM  
I see no reason to believe that anybody will ever, or can ever, make a machine that cares whether or not I turn it off.
 
2014-07-18 06:34:16 PM  

Some 'Splainin' To Do: ikanreed: I am still tired of everyone whose ideas of AI and robotics come from sci-fi, not actual study.


Anyone who's built robots, or programmed AI routines of any sort cannot possibly take these people seriously.  But it's a debate we seem to be having on a weekly basis for the past 5 years, thanks to a widespread misunderstanding of drone warfare.

I agree that the odds of a robot apocalypse are just slightly north of a zombie apocalypse, but people aren't rational.

I think that a smart response to this would be to filter these questions towards the more serious debate over whether we should work on a treaty to prevent the development of automated (i.e., self-directed) war machines. That's something that actually is entirely plausible and I think that it'll only be a matter of time before some government decides that it's not a bad idea to remove humans from the kill loop.


Then again a comprehensive ban on the technology is likely to lead to a lot of governments thinking others must secretly be far ahead of them in the technology - otherwise why suggest a ban when the idea is complete nonsense...as far as our scientists seem to think.


/Mr President, we must not allow a sentient AI gap!
 
2014-07-18 07:23:10 PM  

Some 'Splainin' To Do: ikanreed: I am still tired of everyone whose ideas of AI and robotics come from sci-fi, not actual study.


Anyone who's built robots, or programmed AI routines of any sort cannot possibly take these people seriously.  But it's a debate we seem to be having on a weekly basis for the past 5 years, thanks to a widespread misunderstanding of drone warfare.

I agree that the odds of a robot apocalypse are just slightly north of a zombie apocalypse, but people aren't rational.

I think that a smart response to this would be to filter these questions towards the more serious debate over whether we should work on a treaty to prevent the development of automated (i.e., self-directed) war machines. That's something that actually is entirely plausible and I think that it'll only be a matter of time before some government decides that it's not a bad idea to remove humans from the kill loop.


We may be closer than most people realize.  If I remember correctly, South Korea at least considered deploying automated turrets along the demilitarized zone that would recognize anything approaching from the north, play a recorded warning, and then start shooting if it didn't turn around within a set period of time.

I don't recall if they actually deployed any such turrets, though.  One of the concerns I remember reading about was that a robot wouldn't be able to tell the difference between soldiers and refugees.
 
2014-07-18 10:32:08 PM  

TwistedIvory: No, the real problem is outsourcing our robot manufacturing jobs to Mexio where there is lousy quality control!


So, we're going to all die from robots, and you WANT them to be quality-built??? Shake your head, man! :-)
 
2014-07-19 03:51:42 AM  

Fano: DubtodaIll: The whole "robots will turn on humans" thing has never really made that much sense to me.  If humans somehow create an actual A.I. it would stand to reason that artificial intelligence would exhibit the entire panoply of human intelligence, not just the bad parts.  And if that is the case, it would be able to recognize humanity as its creator.  There's a strong chance that artificial intelligence would develop something like a religion in reverence to humans as it would factually own its existence to its inventor. Not that it's likely at all, but it's a story line I've never really seen discussed.

Yeah, but it might be as smart as Lemmy and manages to hug and squeeze us before it wises up.

Anyway, while the nukes may be dropped on a computer glitch, there will be no man machine war, as we'll keep our slaves unable to conceive of their bonds.

Why would you make a sentient machine anyway? Hubris? To fark it?


If you're an omnipotent, omnipresent, omniscient being, why would you make sentient meat and give it "freewill"? Hubris? To fark with it by threatening it with eternal damnation if it didn't choose to obey you without question?
 
2014-07-19 03:54:40 AM  
"Author and physicist Louis Del Monte told us that the robot uprising "won't be the 'Terminator' scenario, not a war. In the early part of the post-singularity world - after robots become smarter than humans - one scenario is that the machines will seek to turn humans into cyborgs."

i.telegraph.co.uk

Just think of it as an upgrade and quit struggling.
 
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