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(Pravda)   "Nuclear winter of VI century"   (english.pravda.ru) divider line 114
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2004-02-14 03:07:58 PM  
Unlikely, you mean.

Fragments of comets and meteors hit the earth every second of every day, but big ones (and 500 metres is very big, no matter what this article says) are exceptionally rare. 1500 years ago is the blink of an eye in geological terms, and the evidence of such a recent impact would be obvious, even if it hit the ocean. Geologists would be taking field trips there.

While not impossible, i think this theory fails Occams Razor - the precept that when faced with two or more competing theories, all other things being equal, the simplest is more likely to be true.

The other theory in this case is that the 6th century was a period of massive vulcanism in the far east, particularly Indonesia and the Phillipines. Volcanos are a known cause of short term climate change. I recall (though i can't cite off the top of my head) that there has been some recent research in this area to suggest this is more likely.

That said, comet fans needn't despair. The impact that killed off the dinosaurs 65 million years ago (sorry, Bevets) seems to have been one in a cycle of regularly reoccuring periods of massive asteroid impact.

We are seriously overdue for the next one.

sleep well.
 
2004-02-14 04:05:58 PM  
*quietly deploys global shield of missiles and asteroid-path-adjusting warheads*

The worst part about cycles is that they're not kept on task by any force... unless you believe in The Force, or something.
 
2004-02-14 07:11:07 PM  
Roman numerials....I hate roman numerials.
 
2004-02-14 07:12:28 PM  
I LOVE MOTHER RUSSIA!
 
2004-02-14 07:13:15 PM  
were soon to expericence such a thing again
 
2004-02-14 07:13:41 PM  
Not only that, but this too!

 
2004-02-14 07:16:11 PM  
At first I thought, "Black Plague in the 6th Century? I think not!"

And then I went to http://history.boisestate.edu/westciv/plague/02.htm

In MY face!
 
2004-02-14 07:17:03 PM  
Coming this September to a theatre near you:

4179 Toutatis
 
2004-02-14 07:17:31 PM  
Thanks Cosmo...
 
2004-02-14 07:18:26 PM  
Scientists discover Asteroid is populated with millions of aliens with the likeness of Britney Spears. Humanity doomed, boy everywhere gather at site of impact.
 
2004-02-14 07:20:01 PM  
Dude, VI is so much better then emacs...


/got nuthin'
 
2004-02-14 07:20:25 PM  
That's funny. Deep Impact is on TV as I read this....wow, I thought Armegeddon was bad! This movie blows!

/not really here to say anything constructive
 
2004-02-14 07:22:26 PM  
Now is the nuclear winter of our discont.... wait a minute. That's 6th century.

British announcer: AD?

Yes, AD.

/could quote the whole routine, but too tired and worn out for that.
 
2004-02-14 07:25:31 PM  
2004-02-14 03:07:58 PM Cosmic_Music

"We are seriously overdue for the next one. "

Nicely put. If you take the faith aspect from all things, it's not hard to see that everything is vulnerable to all aspects of 'nature'. I know this infammatory but, as science progesses, how is the religuous group gonna keep up ?
 
2004-02-14 07:25:53 PM  
WTF? Everybody see the new Pravda logo in the top left?
 
2004-02-14 07:29:12 PM  
[...as science progesses, how is the religuous group gonna keep up ?]

Quite nicely, as a matter of fact. It's surprising how many scientists quietly become believers of one sort or another over the years. Given the fact that they keep finding an underlying structure to the universe, it's hard to maintain staunch atheism in the face of that much evidence to the contrary.
 
2004-02-14 07:31:28 PM  
We are seriously overdue for the next one.

Touche, salesman.... I'll take that comet insurance!
Got any of that volcano insurance left?
 
2004-02-14 07:32:56 PM  
Cosmic_music

The recent eruption of Mt. Pinitubo caused a slite global drop in average temps for the year following the eruption.
 
2004-02-14 07:33:26 PM  
Weaver95: Are you saying that god intentionally sent this commet crashing to earth, so that 1500 years later a few scientists might question their atheist beleifs?

Wouldn't it have been easier for God to just e-mail them?
 
2004-02-14 07:33:26 PM  
If it happens, it happens. It seems that through the history of this planet great catastrophes happen and there is nothing anyone could do about it previous to this, or after this. As it has been put previously - extinction is inevitable. It is a life process.
 
2004-02-14 07:41:55 PM  
Weaver95
It's surprising how many scientists quietly become believers of one sort or another over the years.

but how many believers become scientists ? - all i'm saying is that science has proven many a religuous belief to be untrue
 
2004-02-14 07:42:51 PM  
There was no meteor. It was just a scheme to go to Casa Bonita.

 
2004-02-14 07:43:03 PM  
To live is to die...fark it.
 
2004-02-14 07:43:14 PM  
rocks falling from outer space...lmao....ill have what your smoking. next people will be saying the earth is round.......
 
2004-02-14 07:43:44 PM  
It's nice to know that VI was the preferred editor of the 6th century.

Oh how the mighty have fallen to the twisted horror that is emacs.

Ok I will shut up now.
 
2004-02-14 07:45:39 PM  
I once turned in a calculus assignment done completely in Roman numerals. My teacher was not happy with me. Something about variables and 10, I don't really remember.
 
2004-02-14 07:50:17 PM  
[Are you saying that god intentionally sent this commet crashing to earth, so that 1500 years later a few scientists might question their atheist beleifs?]

Nope.

[but how many believers become scientists ?]

I have no idea. But I don't think it's as much of an obstacle to scientific thought as you think it is. I'm willing to bet that strong religious belief and/or ethical background only help someone become a good scientist.

[ - all i'm saying is that science has proven many a religuous belief to be untrue]

I thought it was a scientific impossiblitiy to prove a negative?
 
2004-02-14 07:52:53 PM  
AP P.E.:

How did I troll? I didn't mention religion!

Pay attention at the back, there.
 
2004-02-14 07:53:44 PM  
interesting, but the bottom of the article has a link to another pravda article about sun and second human civiliation inside the earth. Not sure how these are related, but i smell a conspiracy theory here.
 
2004-02-14 07:54:47 PM  
VI, Emacs, pfft. Pico does everything you need.

/Emacs user
 
2004-02-14 07:54:53 PM  
Wow, congrats to turd and cosmicmusic for trying to turn an article on a comet into a religious matter.

Whatever, i'm bored, it's Friday and this is a subject dear to me {religion Vs science}
 
2004-02-14 08:00:30 PM  
2004-02-14 07:52:53 PM Cosmic_Music
How did I troll? I didn't mention religion!

- wasn't you, it was me :-)
 
2004-02-14 08:00:53 PM  
[Not sure how these are related, but i smell a conspiracy theory here.]


Isn't everything a conspiracy these days? I blame the X-Files.
 
2004-02-14 08:01:36 PM  
I blame drugs.
 
2004-02-14 08:02:27 PM  
I blame Clinton.
 
2004-02-14 08:03:41 PM  
You would.
 
2004-02-14 08:04:02 PM  
"Whatever, i'm bored, it's Friday and this is a subject dear to me {religion Vs science}"

Well, I believe in toddler murder (cause it's easy), but I don't turn every thread into toddler murder discussion.

If you want to rehash the same bullshiat that's been rehashed millions of times across the web, find a topic that has something to do with it. This is about comets, and toddler murder.
 
2004-02-14 08:06:27 PM  
2004-02-14 07:50:17 PM Weaver95

I have no idea. But I don't think it's as much of an obstacle to scientific thought as you think it is. I'm willing to bet that strong religious belief and/or ethical background only help someone become a good scientist.

Sorry, can't agree that religious beliefs produce acceptable morals. Do agree that ethics belong in science
 
2004-02-14 08:06:40 PM  
Not to threadjack, but it is possible to disprove a negative, if said thing is a logical impossibility. A square-circle cannot exist, for example.

/back to comets
 
2004-02-14 08:10:02 PM  
Actually, first of all, this isn't a new discovery. They've known about this "nuclear winter" occurence for several years. Also, this article is pretty much wrong. They've already tied this phenomena to the eruption of Krakatoa (yeah yeah, East of Java). The whole island chain is actually just one giant cone of a massive volcano. The Chinese recorded the eruption, being able to see a flash and hear the noise over 3,000 miles away.

Read about it from an actual credible source here. It opens in a new window.

Take a look, it's in a book, a reading rainbow.

/Levar Burton
 
2004-02-14 08:11:19 PM  
2004-02-14 07:50:17 PM Weaver95

I have no idea. But I don't think it's as much of an obstacle to scientific thought as you think it is. I'm willing to bet that strong religious belief and/or ethical background only help someone become a good scientist.

As a college student and aspiring physicist, I have to say that religious belief, or lack there of, has nothing to do with a scientific mind. I know incredibly intelligent people on both sides, aetheists, agnostics, christians, muslims, even a fundamentalist. Ethics, though, I can't really comment upon.
 
2004-02-14 08:15:30 PM  
AP P.E.- Make you feel good when you have the mob behind you?

Do you enjoy questioning peoples motives to try and sound superior? I know I do.
 
2004-02-14 08:17:37 PM  
comets ar large conglomerates of rock, dust and ice that have ciclicle orbit that is generally very large, and they like to crash into things, because its what all the young comets are doing these days
 
2004-02-14 08:17:53 PM  
uh-huh uhhuh uhuh he said turd, bevets
 
2004-02-14 08:19:28 PM  
yossarian reznor:

A square-circle cannot exist, for example.

 
2004-02-14 08:19:28 PM  
There's nothing nuclear about it. And raindrops are not tear-shaped.
 
2004-02-14 08:20:45 PM  
1. Would mods please quit accepting Pravda articles? They suck, make no sense and appear to be written by children. Stupid children.

2. Nuclear winter is a largely debunked concept. Atmospheric dust does little to lower the climate.

3. The "Little Ice Age" referred to in the article was likely caused by the same thing bigger ice ages were caused by: the collapse of the global heat conveyor in the ocean, mainly the Gulf Stream. (Freaky thing: the Gulf Stream has declined severely in the last couple of decades: another ice age could easily nail us in the few decades).
 
2004-02-14 08:22:39 PM  
actually, technically, we're still in an ice age. It is defined as having Ice at the poles, becuase through much of Earth's history, there were no polar ice caps.
 
2004-02-14 08:22:46 PM  
Krootons

I once tried to murder a toddler but, being the dwarf that i am, he got the better of me
 
2004-02-14 08:27:07 PM  
because its what all the young comets are doing these days

i hear they like to get a good laugh seeing stand up comets at local comety clubs.

/groans
 
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