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(CNN)   Ukraine: Separatists didn't take anti-aircraft equipment from OUR military *cough cough* *hint hint*   (cnn.com) divider line 187
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2014-07-18 03:44:33 PM  

hasty ambush: i upped my meds-up yours: stuffy: Will these idiots ever learn that accepting blame for farking up is way less damaging than the cover up.

no, of course not. Coverups are driven by instinct, which cannot be unlearned.

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Russians drink a lot of vodka...

Vodka made from POTATOES!

This can't be a coincidence. I'm going to study it out.
 
2014-07-18 03:50:25 PM  

Tatterdemalian: Like I said before, Putin's game plan was apparently to sit on Crimea and wait for the revolution to fark things up. Only now it looks like Putin just farked things up, big time.


Huh? Things are farked up indeed, but it's not as if they are significantly worse for Putin than they were a week ago.

Tatterdemalian: If Obama's smart, he'll rally all of Europe behind this, threatening not just sanctions but "bin Laden raid" military action, and won't stop pushing until Crimea is off limits to Putin forever.


Huh? "bin Laden raid"? You mean, actually trying to put American boots on Russian ground? Putin will be orgasmic. Russia will turn into actual, real, full-blown brownshirt Faterland in a month. Those American civilians in Russia not being able to evacuate in time would have a real chance to have an all-included tour into internal Siberia.

If you mean "bin Laden raids into Ukraine", well, that would mean that current Ukrainian leadership won't survive next elections, unless they would want to establish a military dictatorship on America's bayonets - Kiev sure as hell doesn't have enough of its own. In other words, that'll tople pro-European government in Ukraine.

Also, it will completely untie the hands to Putin, who would put their own army into Donetsk to "protect it from American invasion".

Tatterdemalian: /bonus if he goes to extract Donetsk leaders but gets Snowden as well


It's not up to Obama to "get" Donetsk leaders, you know. :)

Anyway, why am I even answering a post such as this?
 
2014-07-18 03:50:37 PM  

RexTalionis: Denis Pushilin, the self-proclaimed "Chairman" of the Donetsk "Supreme Council" of Ukranian separatists, has fled to Moscow and resigned his post.



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"Prior to his political activism, Pushilin worked for a recent successor of the 1990s Russian Ponzi scheme company MMM, which cost its customers millions of dollars before it was disbanded in 1994"

Wait a minute. He worked for a Ponzi scheme company, after the fact?

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2014-07-18 04:01:03 PM  

BigNumber12: Wait a minute. He worked for a Ponzi scheme company, after the fact?


What? Same guy who made MMM (Mavrodi), spent his time in jail, came out and re-started the same Ponzi scheme, MMM-2011, this time - honestly saying that it's a ponzi scheme, so if you'll get in "on the ground level" you'll get rich from all of the suckers who'll come later. Hurray! And then he repeated the process with MMM-2012, promising that this time you'll get your money you've lost in MMM-2011 AND get rich in the process!

THAT'S the right way to do a Ponzi scheme.
 
2014-07-18 04:03:51 PM  
So, a serious question here.

If it is conclusively determined that the separatists fired the missile, does this mean the world will come down hard on Putin?
 
2014-07-18 04:06:42 PM  

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"Oh boy. We really screwed up this time".

 
2014-07-18 04:10:24 PM  

Tatterdemalian: If Obama's smart, he'll rally all of Europe behind this, threatening not just sanctions but "bin Laden raid" military action, and won't stop pushing until Crimea is off limits to Putin forever.


I don't think it has anything to do with being smart- uniting Europe is a monumental task, and one never accomplished when Bosnians were being massacred on Europe's doorstep (and no, Clinton did not 'fix' the issue, the Dayton Accords were merely a permanent cease fire agreement). I'm not holding my breath for the EU to be properly outraged about this massacre, either, and won't blame Obama when it doesn't happen.
 
2014-07-18 04:15:11 PM  

Epic Fap Session: hasty ambush: i upped my meds-up yours: stuffy: Will these idiots ever learn that accepting blame for farking up is way less damaging than the cover up.

no, of course not. Coverups are driven by instinct, which cannot be unlearned.

Herp.jpg

Derp.jpg

RONPAULELEVENTY.jpg

ijerkofftoalexjonesbroadcasts.jpg

Russians drink a lot of vodka...

Vodka made from POTATOES!

This can't be a coincidence. I'm going to study it out.


The cheap Russian poison that they call Vodka is made from potatoes. Frankly, I'd rather drink Soju. A proper Wodka should be made from wheat.
 
2014-07-18 04:18:24 PM  

Grahor: BigNumber12: Wait a minute. He worked for a Ponzi scheme company, after the fact?

What? Same guy who made MMM (Mavrodi), spent his time in jail, came out and re-started the same Ponzi scheme, MMM-2011, this time - honestly saying that it's a ponzi scheme, so if you'll get in "on the ground level" you'll get rich from all of the suckers who'll come later. Hurray! And then he repeated the process with MMM-2012, promising that this time you'll get your money you've lost in MMM-2011 AND get rich in the process!

THAT'S the right way to do a Ponzi scheme.


My God, Russians are an enterprising bunch.
 
2014-07-18 04:19:58 PM  

LessO2: So, a serious question here.

If it is conclusively determined that the separatists fired the missile, does this mean the world will come down hard on Putin?


Nope - he still has much more deniability than, say, Europe would be comfortable calling 'BS' on.
 
2014-07-18 04:42:02 PM  
The truly sad thing is that nothing is going to get done, and 300 more lives were spent in an act of stupidity.

/christ, what will it take to start WW3 already....
 
2014-07-18 04:44:51 PM  

Grahor: Pushilin have fled to Moscow more than a month ago; he haven't returned to Ukraine since then. He just sent the resignation letter now. He doesn't know anything.


Well well well.

If our favorite fan of Putin's penis hasn't shown up.
 
2014-07-18 04:44:57 PM  

ongbok: kagemaru026: well then where did they get it? the SAM fairy?

Yep, from the SAM fairy. The SAM fairy named Putin.

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This is all plot to besmirch the name of glorious Russian President Vladimir Putin.
 
2014-07-18 04:48:57 PM  

T-Servo: Tatterdemalian: If Obama's smart, he'll rally all of Europe behind this, threatening not just sanctions but "bin Laden raid" military action, and won't stop pushing until Crimea is off limits to Putin forever.

I don't think it has anything to do with being smart- uniting Europe is a monumental task, and one never accomplished when Bosnians were being massacred on Europe's doorstep (and no, Clinton did not 'fix' the issue, the Dayton Accords were merely a permanent cease fire agreement). I'm not holding my breath for the EU to be properly outraged about this massacre, either, and won't blame Obama when it doesn't happen.


There are two things that can unite Europe under a common cause, A realistic threat from Germans or Russians. They united twice in the 20th century because of Germans and spent the last half of the 20th century united because of Russians. If Putin isn't careful he is going to get Europe all to rally together, which isn't a good thing for him.
 
2014-07-18 05:09:16 PM  

StatelyGreekAutomaton: The pro-Russian separatists can just sue Google to make them to stop talking about it. This is Europe, after all.


The pro-Russian separatists are trying very hard to not be part of Europe. That's more or less what this conflict is about.
 
2014-07-18 05:13:07 PM  

profplump: The pro-Russian separatists are trying very hard to not be part of Europe. That's more or less what this conflict is about.


The pro-Russian separatists shouldn't have any say in the matter; most of them are Russian citizens that live in Russia.  They traveled to Ukraine to "liberate" it for Putin's nationalistic ambitions.
 
2014-07-18 05:53:59 PM  
Well, Germans are already in position of having all the power they want, and Russians can't be a genuine threat to anyone but post soviet cleptocracies.

So no uniting Europe in our lifetime.
 
2014-07-18 06:03:19 PM  

ongbok: T-Servo: Tatterdemalian: If Obama's smart, he'll rally all of Europe behind this, threatening not just sanctions but "bin Laden raid" military action, and won't stop pushing until Crimea is off limits to Putin forever.

I don't think it has anything to do with being smart- uniting Europe is a monumental task, and one never accomplished when Bosnians were being massacred on Europe's doorstep (and no, Clinton did not 'fix' the issue, the Dayton Accords were merely a permanent cease fire agreement). I'm not holding my breath for the EU to be properly outraged about this massacre, either, and won't blame Obama when it doesn't happen.

There are two things that can unite Europe under a common cause, A realistic threat from Germans or Russians. They united twice in the 20th century because of Germans and spent the last half of the 20th century united because of Russians. If Putin isn't careful he is going to get Europe all to rally together, which isn't a good thing for him.


Call me if France cancels those Mistral ship deliveries to Russia.

/not everyone was united against Germany or Russia (including the Russians, at least from 1939-1941)
 
2014-07-18 06:03:39 PM  

echomike23: tinyarena: airsupport: I wish they would stop passing the Buk.

You Are A God!

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the buk stops here

/window seat please
//so i can see it coming


MH17 wasn't shot down it was bukakked
 
2014-07-18 06:17:26 PM  
Remember years ago when Vladimir Putin threw a great party at the Sochi Olympics?

Wait, whaddaya mean that was less than six months ago?

:-/
 
2014-07-18 06:26:06 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: Well well well.

If our favorite fan of Putin's penis hasn't shown up.


I think that guy has been pretty measured in this thread. Where are you getting the Putin-fan assumptions from?
 
2014-07-18 06:26:55 PM  

T-Servo: I'm not holding my breath for the EU to be properly outraged about this massacre, either


this time they massacred Dutch nationals, though

not that you should hold your breath
 
2014-07-18 06:45:49 PM  
I'm not saying it was aliens, but....
 
2014-07-18 06:53:36 PM  

theorellior: ArkPanda: theorellior: It's been a terrible horrible no-good very bad summer for Pooty Poot,

Up until yesterday it was pretty good.  He got Crimea back for nothing.

Uh, yeah. Crimea. The place that can only be supplied by water, since Ukraine controls the only land access, and was a huge money pit even when the tourist industry was healthy. Meanwhile, sanctions are hurting the ruble and the oligarchs who run things in Russia. Pooty-Poot is just thrilled to have Crimea.


I'm sure they'd take it back.
 
2014-07-18 08:09:21 PM  

Inchoate: Satanic_Hamster: Well well well.

If our favorite fan of Putin's penis hasn't shown up.

I think that guy has been pretty measured in this thread. Where are you getting the Putin-fan assumptions from?


I dunno, ever farking thread he's ever posted in?

He's a pro-putin shrill account, that's all he posts in.
 
2014-07-18 08:52:19 PM  

ongbok: hardinparamedic: ongbok: It is truly a shame that so many people who were working towards making the world a better place died so senselessly because Putin had to show the world how powerful he is, but lets not got an exaggerate and say that this is going to set AIDS research back 10 years. Lets be realistic here.

Some of the representatives of the research agencies and colleges these men represented are going so far as to say the future cure of HIV was on that flight.

The data might be there, but the men of vision who were driving the breakthroughs based on that data are now dead and gone.

You don't think they passed on this knowledge or vision to other capable researchers? Or do you think that they were the 100 and only kept this knowledge and vision amongst themselves, and know it is lost for ever?


It's not just a matter of having their research and notes, the visionaries tht made those breakthroughs are gone. If Einstein handled before perfecting his theory of relativity, do you think any research assistant would have been able to pick up his notes and make that breakthrough? Face it, some people just have an insight into things that no one else seems to possess, I don't know here it comes from or how they do it, but true geniuses have this way of looking at the same thing as all of their colleagues and seeing something no one else saw. And from what these researchers colleagues are saying now, it's looking like we lost some of those people.
 
2014-07-18 08:58:34 PM  
Whoever did this shouldn't worry about paying for the damages.  They sure have a whole lot of arms and legs hanging around.
 
2014-07-19 06:56:01 AM  

ecor1: HaywoodJablonski: iheartscotch: Does this sound like a frame job to anybody else? It wouldn't be the first time the CIA shot down a passenger jet.

Oh please STFU.

It also wouldn't be the first time the Russians shot down a passenger jet, either.


They'll be aces soon.
 
2014-07-19 07:00:36 AM  

iheartscotch: shower_in_my_socks: iheartscotch: Well, we all know if I had any actual proof; hold on, there's someone at the door....

/ I'm not saying that it was the CIA; I'm just saying that I am reserving judgment for a later date

Yes. You're very "concerned." Because it's so likely that the CIA got a giant Buk launching truck into a war zone right in Russia's backyard, pretended to be rebels, shot down an airliner, faked rebel phone transmissions, and then GTFO without anyone noticing. Certainly, we must reserve judgment until we are absolutely sure that ridiculous scenario didn't play out.

I'm not saying that the CIA definitely did it. It could have been the GRU, dissident elements of the Russian government or little green men from Mars. The point is; we don't know really who done it at this point. It will probably end up being the Rebel Alliance; but, speculation at this point is, by definition, unfounded.


FOUL! Don't call them that.
 
2014-07-19 09:02:23 AM  

Proximuscentauri: The fastest investigation and wrap up in air-disaster history. And hot on the heels of the BRICS deal, no less! AND in conjuction with boots on the ground in Gaza. AAAAND the curious coincidence of it being another malasian flight.
Within an hour, the Ukrainian government broadcast its conclusion that eastern rebels shot down the plane. Also within hours, the US government made public its conclusion that the plane had been hit by a missile - will someone get a promotion for that speedy analysis? It sure beats examining the wreckage.
Also, within hours of the tragedy, Ukraine intercepts, isolates, analyses, translates and publishes an incriminating phone call. The NSA must be envious. They even had the names and photographs of the interlocutors. There was no need to keep this interception private as special evidence that needed to be checked. No, in this investigation the right thing to do was send it out on twitter at the earliest convenience.
Within hours, leaders from all over the world have made their conclusions as well - for they too don't need to wait for an examination of the wreckage, nor for the gathering of witness testimony, nor for the consideration of such minutiae as motive, means and opportunity.


.rus in the haus!
 
2014-07-19 09:04:21 AM  

IamAwake: hardinparamedic: ongbok: It is truly a shame that so many people who were working towards making the world a better place died so senselessly because Putin had to show the world how powerful he is, but lets not got an exaggerate and say that this is going to set AIDS research back 10 years. Lets be realistic here.

Some of the representatives of the research agencies and colleges these men represented are going so far as to say the future cure of HIV was on that flight.

The data might be there, but the men of vision who were driving the breakthroughs based on that data are now dead and gone.

see, what you don't understand is that scientific research just happens based on funding.   The funding is still there, so the same research will happen.  That the researchers, organizers, etc died - meaningless.  That their closest friends and coworkers will be shocked and depressed for a while - meaningless.

//sad sarcasm...
//my wife is actually a molecular virology research scientist...she's turned down offers for 4x the pay doing non-research, and she's typical in that way for people in that field.  The greatest of minds and spirits are giving up a lot of comfort and wealth to do that research


I feel sorry for your wife. You seem to have no understanding of the value of individual humans and appear to believe that they are interchangeable.
 
2014-07-19 09:12:08 AM  

airsupport: I wish they would stop passing the Buk.


You should've copyrighted that one. It's going to get a lot of mileage in the next few weeks!
 
2014-07-19 09:18:39 AM  

Grahor: Tatterdemalian: Like I said before, Putin's game plan was apparently to sit on Crimea and wait for the revolution to fark things up. Only now it looks like Putin just farked things up, big time.

Huh? Things are farked up indeed, but it's not as if they are significantly worse for Putin than they were a week ago.

Tatterdemalian: If Obama's smart, he'll rally all of Europe behind this, threatening not just sanctions but "bin Laden raid" military action, and won't stop pushing until Crimea is off limits to Putin forever.

Huh? "bin Laden raid"? You mean, actually trying to put American boots on Russian ground? Putin will be orgasmic. Russia will turn into actual, real, full-blown brownshirt Faterland in a month. Those American civilians in Russia not being able to evacuate in time would have a real chance to have an all-included tour into internal Siberia.

If you mean "bin Laden raids into Ukraine", well, that would mean that current Ukrainian leadership won't survive next elections, unless they would want to establish a military dictatorship on America's bayonets - Kiev sure as hell doesn't have enough of its own. In other words, that'll tople pro-European government in Ukraine.

Also, it will completely untie the hands to Putin, who would put their own army into Donetsk to "protect it from American invasion".

Tatterdemalian: /bonus if he goes to extract Donetsk leaders but gets Snowden as well

It's not up to Obama to "get" Donetsk leaders, you know. :)

Anyway, why am I even answering a post such as this?


He's a self proclaimed 1 percenter, so, really, he should probably be the one on fark we should be trying to convince, because he's probably the only one on here with any power, and yet, he just outed himself as having zero concept of real-politk, soooo...I guess were farked.
 
2014-07-19 12:09:11 PM  

Medic Zero: Grahor: Tatterdemalian: Like I said before, Putin's game plan was apparently to sit on Crimea and wait for the revolution to fark things up. Only now it looks like Putin just farked things up, big time.

Huh? Things are farked up indeed, but it's not as if they are significantly worse for Putin than they were a week ago.

Tatterdemalian: If Obama's smart, he'll rally all of Europe behind this, threatening not just sanctions but "bin Laden raid" military action, and won't stop pushing until Crimea is off limits to Putin forever.

Huh? "bin Laden raid"? You mean, actually trying to put American boots on Russian ground? Putin will be orgasmic. Russia will turn into actual, real, full-blown brownshirt Faterland in a month. Those American civilians in Russia not being able to evacuate in time would have a real chance to have an all-included tour into internal Siberia.

If you mean "bin Laden raids into Ukraine", well, that would mean that current Ukrainian leadership won't survive next elections, unless they would want to establish a military dictatorship on America's bayonets - Kiev sure as hell doesn't have enough of its own. In other words, that'll tople pro-European government in Ukraine.

Also, it will completely untie the hands to Putin, who would put their own army into Donetsk to "protect it from American invasion".

Tatterdemalian: /bonus if he goes to extract Donetsk leaders but gets Snowden as well

It's not up to Obama to "get" Donetsk leaders, you know. :)

Anyway, why am I even answering a post such as this?

He's a self proclaimed 1 percenter, so, really, he should probably be the one on fark we should be trying to convince, because he's probably the only one on here with any power, and yet, he just outed himself as having zero concept of real-politk, soooo...I guess were farked.


Five posts in a row? You're trying way too hard.
 
2014-07-19 12:21:25 PM  

Tatterdemalian: Medic Zero: Grahor: Tatterdemalian: Like I said before, Putin's game plan was apparently to sit on Crimea and wait for the revolution to fark things up. Only now it looks like Putin just farked things up, big time.

Huh? Things are farked up indeed, but it's not as if they are significantly worse for Putin than they were a week ago.

Tatterdemalian: If Obama's smart, he'll rally all of Europe behind this, threatening not just sanctions but "bin Laden raid" military action, and won't stop pushing until Crimea is off limits to Putin forever.

Huh? "bin Laden raid"? You mean, actually trying to put American boots on Russian ground? Putin will be orgasmic. Russia will turn into actual, real, full-blown brownshirt Faterland in a month. Those American civilians in Russia not being able to evacuate in time would have a real chance to have an all-included tour into internal Siberia.

If you mean "bin Laden raids into Ukraine", well, that would mean that current Ukrainian leadership won't survive next elections, unless they would want to establish a military dictatorship on America's bayonets - Kiev sure as hell doesn't have enough of its own. In other words, that'll tople pro-European government in Ukraine.

Also, it will completely untie the hands to Putin, who would put their own army into Donetsk to "protect it from American invasion".

Tatterdemalian: /bonus if he goes to extract Donetsk leaders but gets Snowden as well

It's not up to Obama to "get" Donetsk leaders, you know. :)

Anyway, why am I even answering a post such as this?

He's a self proclaimed 1 percenter, so, really, he should probably be the one on fark we should be trying to convince, because he's probably the only one on here with any power, and yet, he just outed himself as having zero concept of real-politk, soooo...I guess were farked.

Five posts in a row? You're trying way too hard.


No. I just work nights. When I finally get a chance to see a thread it is about 5 in the morning.
 
2014-07-19 11:11:36 PM  

Medic Zero: IamAwake: hardinparamedic: ongbok: It is truly a shame that so many people who were working towards making the world a better place died so senselessly because Putin had to show the world how powerful he is, but lets not got an exaggerate and say that this is going to set AIDS research back 10 years. Lets be realistic here.

Some of the representatives of the research agencies and colleges these men represented are going so far as to say the future cure of HIV was on that flight.

The data might be there, but the men of vision who were driving the breakthroughs based on that data are now dead and gone.

see, what you don't understand is that scientific research just happens based on funding.   The funding is still there, so the same research will happen.  That the researchers, organizers, etc died - meaningless.  That their closest friends and coworkers will be shocked and depressed for a while - meaningless.

//sad sarcasm...
//my wife is actually a molecular virology research scientist...she's turned down offers for 4x the pay doing non-research, and she's typical in that way for people in that field.  The greatest of minds and spirits are giving up a lot of comfort and wealth to do that research

I feel sorry for your wife. You seem to have no understanding of the value of individual humans and appear to believe that they are interchangeable.


What?
 
2014-07-19 11:23:54 PM  

itcamefromschenectady: Medic Zero: IamAwake: hardinparamedic: ongbok: It is truly a shame that so many people who were working towards making the world a better place died so senselessly because Putin had to show the world how powerful he is, but lets not got an exaggerate and say that this is going to set AIDS research back 10 years. Lets be realistic here.

Some of the representatives of the research agencies and colleges these men represented are going so far as to say the future cure of HIV was on that flight.

The data might be there, but the men of vision who were driving the breakthroughs based on that data are now dead and gone.

see, what you don't understand is that scientific research just happens based on funding.   The funding is still there, so the same research will happen.  That the researchers, organizers, etc died - meaningless.  That their closest friends and coworkers will be shocked and depressed for a while - meaningless.

//sad sarcasm...
//my wife is actually a molecular virology research scientist...she's turned down offers for 4x the pay doing non-research, and she's typical in that way for people in that field.  The greatest of minds and spirits are giving up a lot of comfort and wealth to do that research

I feel sorry for your wife. You seem to have no understanding of the value of individual humans and appear to believe that they are interchangeable.

What?


How is Fark's quote system still farked? It ends up notifying me that I've been quoted, it looks like I wrote it at a glance, but mine is just the snarky comment at the end.
 
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