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(CNN)   Ukraine: Separatists didn't take anti-aircraft equipment from OUR military *cough cough* *hint hint*   (cnn.com) divider line 187
    More: Followup, Prime Minister of Ukraine, Organization for Security, Cooperation in Europe, flight data recorders, OSCE, Eastern Ukraine, United Nations Security Council, Luhansk  
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2014-07-18 09:49:31 AM  
I am unsurprised.
 
2014-07-18 11:46:41 AM  
Sounds about right.
 
2014-07-18 11:48:00 AM  
Isn't that the opposite of what they said yesterday?  They were talking about how they had a missile system taken
 
2014-07-18 11:48:01 AM  
Hey. Don't fly over conflict zones.
Russia/Ukraine, Palestine/Israel, TX-AZ/Mexico border.
Just don't
Get direct TV and stay home.
 
2014-07-18 11:50:40 AM  

vudukungfu: Hey. Don't fly over conflict zones.
Russia/Ukraine, Palestine/Israel, TX-AZ/Mexico border.
Just don't
Get direct TV and stay home.


Yes of course, stay home and don't have a life so we can do whatever we want out here.  Everything's fine as long as everyone's in their box.
 
2014-07-18 11:51:11 AM  
Will these idiots ever learn that accepting blame for farking up is way less damaging than the cover up.
 
2014-07-18 11:51:43 AM  

vudukungfu: Hey. Don't fly over conflict zones.
Russia/Ukraine, Palestine/Israel, TX-AZ/Mexico border.
Just don't
Get direct TV and stay home.


When you have cable, you are paying too much.
When you're paying too much, you cancel cable.
When you cancel cable, you have lots of free time.
When you have lots of free time, you get bored and decide to travel.
When you travel, your plane gets shot down by rebels over Ukraine.
Don't let your plane get shot down by rebels over Ukraine.  Get DirecTV.
 
2014-07-18 11:53:05 AM  
Wow, people really should have headline writers at least read the first sentance of the article.

There is a difference between "Russia" and "pro-Russian separatists".

And "we cannot rule out Russian assistance" is not the same as saying "we believe Russia shot the plane down".
 
Xai
2014-07-18 11:53:46 AM  
Full timeline of events and admissions by separatists that they did it (until it became clear what they had shot down)

http://www.scoopnest.com/out/?url=http://t.co/pojN569i1c&id=48984871 24 50277376

Please copy, save and distribute files as it won't be long before they start trying to take things like this down
 
2014-07-18 11:55:45 AM  
Time to play the finger pointing game!
 
2014-07-18 11:56:32 AM  

stuffy: Will these idiots ever learn that accepting blame for farking up is way less damaging than the cover up.


no, of course not. Coverups are driven by instinct, which cannot be unlearned.
 
2014-07-18 11:56:39 AM  

Xai: Full timeline of events and admissions by separatists that they did it (until it became clear what they had shot down)

http://www.scoopnest.com/out/?url=http://t.co/pojN569i1c&id=48984871 24 50277376

Please copy, save and distribute files as it won't be long before they start trying to take things like this down


The pro-Russian separatists can just sue Google to make them to stop talking about it. This is Europe, after all.
 
2014-07-18 11:58:31 AM  

wxboy: vudukungfu: Hey. Don't fly over conflict zones.
Russia/Ukraine, Palestine/Israel, TX-AZ/Mexico border.
Just don't
Get direct TV and stay home.

When you have cable, you are paying too much.
When you're paying too much, you cancel cable.
When you cancel cable, you have lots of free time.
When you have lots of free time, you get bored and decide to travel.
When you travel, your plane gets shot down by rebels over Ukraine.
Don't let your plane get shot down by rebels over Ukraine.  Get DirecTV.


Can we find a way to blame this on Verizon throttling Netflix?
 
2014-07-18 11:59:06 AM  

CruJones: Isn't that the opposite of what they said yesterday?  They were talking about how they had a missile system taken


Yeah, but this must have been a different identical Buk system, because Russia.
 
2014-07-18 12:00:11 PM  
Does this sound like a frame job to anybody else? It wouldn't be the first time the CIA shot down a passenger jet.
 
2014-07-18 12:01:07 PM  
well then where did they get it? the SAM fairy?
 
2014-07-18 12:02:07 PM  
Ukraine: "We're not sure who PUT IN that missile launcher, and we don't want to RUSH IN to pass judgment, and hope that no one will MASK HOW it happened."
 
2014-07-18 12:02:41 PM  

iheartscotch: Does this sound like a frame job to anybody else? It wouldn't be the first time the CIA shot down a passenger jet.


[citation needed]
 
2014-07-18 12:02:59 PM  

iheartscotch: Does this sound like a frame job to anybody else? It wouldn't be the first time the CIA shot down a passenger jet.


If the recorded conversations between rebels talking about the fact that they just shot the plane down are real, then no.
 
2014-07-18 12:04:20 PM  

iheartscotch: Does this sound like a frame job to anybody else? It wouldn't be the first time the CIA shot down a passenger jet.


From the comments:

"Oh and take note of this: it might not be the first Malaysian airplane that the Russians have brought down... The other time was when ALL THE WORLD was looking at what happened in Crimea and all of a sudden mysteriously an entire airplane disappeared from the face of the earth... so nobody had time to look at Crimea anymore. "

ZOMG Putin and Obama have teamed up! Conspiracies for everyone!
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2014-07-18 12:04:30 PM  
Poot is an old, outdated slang for Fart.

It sounds about right.
 
2014-07-18 12:05:44 PM  
Waiting for this headline:

Russian-backed and supplied terrorists in Ukraine shoot down civilian airliner.  The only question is how drunk was the person who pushed the button
 
2014-07-18 12:06:38 PM  

kagemaru026: well then where did they get it? the SAM fairy?


Walmart sells them now. They default to "shoot down Amazon Drones" but can be easily configured.
 
2014-07-18 12:07:10 PM  

stuffy: Will these idiots ever learn that accepting blame for farking up is way less damaging than the cover up.


It's a matter of scale. Ding the car, drink too much and puke on the bathroom floor, forget to add some figures into the TPS report; those are things you should accept blame for and move on. Most people view you as upstanding and reliable when you do. When you've graduated to "Oops, I just killed a few hundred civilians (including 3 infants)" it's time to spin-spin-spin. Outside of a major 3rd party military intervention they really can't make it much worse for themselves.
 
2014-07-18 12:07:45 PM  

shower_in_my_socks: iheartscotch: Does this sound like a frame job to anybody else? It wouldn't be the first time the CIA shot down a passenger jet.

If the recorded conversations between rebels talking about the fact that they just shot the plane down are real, then no.


Random sound clips of guys speaking in foreign languages, or were they talking in English, or were there subs?

/ that's a big If you've got there
 
2014-07-18 12:09:09 PM  

dywed88: Wow, people really should have headline writers at least read the first sentance of the article.

There is a difference between "Russia" and "pro-Russian separatists".

And "we cannot rule out Russian assistance" is not the same as saying "we believe Russia shot the plane down".



True, but separatists are like children, they're not really responsible for what they do.  It's like if you gave your five year old nephew a katana, and then he stabbed someone.  We all know he did the stabbing, but it's still your fault.  The Russians probably didn't shoot down the plane themselves, but they made it possible.
 
2014-07-18 12:09:12 PM  

iheartscotch: Does this sound like a frame job to anybody else? It wouldn't be the first time the CIA shot down a passenger jet.


Oh please STFU.
 
2014-07-18 12:09:50 PM  
donetsk don't tell
 
2014-07-18 12:10:44 PM  

iheartscotch: Random sound clips of guys speaking in foreign languages, or were they talking in English, or were there subs?

/ that's a big If you've got there


Well, it's a hell of a lot more proof than you have that it was a CIA job.
 
2014-07-18 12:10:48 PM  

CruJones: Isn't that the opposite of what they said yesterday?  They were talking about how they had a missile system taken


Not that I am aware of.

Got a reference to the Ukrainian authorities saying that?
 
2014-07-18 12:12:02 PM  

HaywoodJablonski: iheartscotch: Does this sound like a frame job to anybody else? It wouldn't be the first time the CIA shot down a passenger jet.

Oh please STFU.


It also wouldn't be the first time the Russians shot down a passenger jet, either.
 
2014-07-18 12:12:53 PM  

kagemaru026: well then where did they get it? the SAM fairy?


Yep, from the SAM fairy. The SAM fairy named Putin.
 
2014-07-18 12:13:01 PM  
Well the US ambassador to the UN says they feel the SA-11 was supplied by Russia and not captured the rebels.
 
2014-07-18 12:13:43 PM  

shower_in_my_socks: iheartscotch: Random sound clips of guys speaking in foreign languages, or were they talking in English, or were there subs?

/ that's a big If you've got there

Well, it's a hell of a lot more proof than you have that it was a CIA job.


Well, we all know if I had any actual proof; hold on, there's someone at the door....

/ I'm not saying that it was the CIA; I'm just saying that I am reserving judgment for a later date
 
2014-07-18 12:14:02 PM  
Hey Snowden - we INTERCEPTED phone calls that show your friends are complicit in the deaths of 250 people. Karma's a beyotch. Coming home anytime soon?
 
2014-07-18 12:14:05 PM  
i'd like to take this moment to remind everyone that this is a main page article, so please keep the derp to a minimum.

/not pointing any elbows
 
2014-07-18 12:14:35 PM  

shower_in_my_socks: iheartscotch: Random sound clips of guys speaking in foreign languages, or were they talking in English, or were there subs?

/ that's a big If you've got there

Well, it's a hell of a lot more proof than you have that it was a CIA job.


Not really. Its absolutely no proof whatsoever.
 
2014-07-18 12:15:17 PM  

ecor1: HaywoodJablonski: iheartscotch: Does this sound like a frame job to anybody else? It wouldn't be the first time the CIA shot down a passenger jet.

Oh please STFU.

It also wouldn't be the first time the Russians shot down a passenger jet, either.


Or the Americans or the Japanese or the ....
 
2014-07-18 12:15:49 PM  

Xai: Full timeline of events and admissions by separatists that they did it (until it became clear what they had shot down)

http://www.scoopnest.com/out/?url=http://t.co/pojN569i1c&id=48984871 24 50277376

Please copy, save and distribute files as it won't be long before they start trying to take things like this down


I've been loving the quickly growing crop of conspiracy theories that Ukraine did this. The two main ones:

1) Standard conspiracy fan response that the EXIF data on the phone call says the recording was made before the plane was shot down, so it was a fabricated ahead of time so Ukraine could shoot down the plane and blame the rebels.

2) The pro-rebel faction is quickly getting behind the idea that it could have been Putin's plane targeted and as such are going into "this was an assassination attempt and act of war by Ukraine; Russia must invade in response."
 
2014-07-18 12:16:39 PM  

iheartscotch: Well, we all know if I had any actual proof; hold on, there's someone at the door....

/ I'm not saying that it was the CIA; I'm just saying that I am reserving judgment for a later date


Yes. You're very "concerned." Because it's so likely that the CIA got a giant Buk launching truck into a war zone right in Russia's backyard, pretended to be rebels, shot down an airliner, faked rebel phone transmissions, and then GTFO without anyone noticing. Certainly, we must reserve judgment until we are absolutely sure that ridiculous scenario didn't play out.
 
2014-07-18 12:16:51 PM  
80 of the passengers were kids...

i1182.photobucket.com
 
2014-07-18 12:17:05 PM  

Xai: Full timeline of events and admissions by separatists that they did it (until it became clear what they had shot down)

http://www.scoopnest.com/out/?url=http://t.co/pojN569i1c&id=48984871 24 50277376

Please copy, save and distribute files as it won't be long before they start trying to take things like this down


This is very informative. Thank you for posting.
 
2014-07-18 12:18:52 PM  

kagemaru026: well then where did they get it? the SAM fairy?


What the SAM Fairy may look like:

upload.wikimedia.org

Captain Steroid: 80 of the passengers were kids...

[i1182.photobucket.com image 210x199]


And they might have set HIV research back a decade. 100 of the passengers were HIV experts and researchers going to an international HIV conference.
 
2014-07-18 12:19:07 PM  

Empty H: Xai: Full timeline of events and admissions by separatists that they did it (until it became clear what they had shot down)

http://www.scoopnest.com/out/?url=http://t.co/pojN569i1c&id=48984871 24 50277376

Please copy, save and distribute files as it won't be long before they start trying to take things like this down

This is very informative. Thank you for posting.


Don't you get it? This website and all of the "data" within WERE PLANTED BY THE CIA! Because America wants and needs another costly war
 
2014-07-18 12:19:49 PM  
livingincinema.com

"Would you consider the cinema of the Ukraine?"
 
2014-07-18 12:20:00 PM  

hardinparamedic: kagemaru026: well then where did they get it? the SAM fairy?

What the SAM Fairy may look like:



Captain Steroid: 80 of the passengers were kids...

[i1182.photobucket.com image 210x199]

And they might have set HIV research back a decade. 100 of the passengers were HIV experts and researchers going to an international HIV conference.


So we can blame this on big pharma?
 
2014-07-18 12:20:08 PM  

mschwenk: Not really. Its absolutely no proof whatsoever.


It's a taped confession. You can't do much better than that. They still need to be absolutely clear that it wasn't faked, OF COURSE, but to claim that it's "no proof whatsoever" when you combine it with the other facts -- the plane was shot down over rebel territory, we have photographic evidence and a public admission from the rebels that they had Buk launchters, eye-witnesses in the area saw the missile launch, etc., etc., etc. -- to say that it's "absolutely no proof whatsoever" is retarded.
 
2014-07-18 12:22:46 PM  

shower_in_my_socks: iheartscotch: Well, we all know if I had any actual proof; hold on, there's someone at the door....

/ I'm not saying that it was the CIA; I'm just saying that I am reserving judgment for a later date

Yes. You're very "concerned." Because it's so likely that the CIA got a giant Buk launching truck into a war zone right in Russia's backyard, pretended to be rebels, shot down an airliner, faked rebel phone transmissions, and then GTFO without anyone noticing. Certainly, we must reserve judgment until we are absolutely sure that ridiculous scenario didn't play out.


They have already deployed Blackwater contractors in Donetsk. So it wouldn't be nothing to them to do this.

Study it out.
 
2014-07-18 12:23:34 PM  

iheartscotch: shower_in_my_socks: iheartscotch: Does this sound like a frame job to anybody else? It wouldn't be the first time the CIA shot down a passenger jet.

If the recorded conversations between rebels talking about the fact that they just shot the plane down are real, then no.

Random sound clips of guys speaking in foreign languages, or were they talking in English, or were there subs?

/ that's a big If you've got there


Here is the audio in question, with subtitles. I admit taking a grain of salt as to the accuracy of the recording considering what clear and damning evidence it is, but the "Ukraine and her Western allies orchestrated the framing of the innocent rebels and then shot the plane down" thing is laughable.
 
2014-07-18 12:24:03 PM  

HaywoodJablonski: Empty H: Xai: Full timeline of events and admissions by separatists that they did it (until it became clear what they had shot down)

http://www.scoopnest.com/out/?url=http://t.co/pojN569i1c&id=48984871 24 50277376

Please copy, save and distribute files as it won't be long before they start trying to take things like this down

This is very informative. Thank you for posting.

Don't you get it? This website and all of the "data" within WERE PLANTED BY THE CIA! Because America wants and needs another costly war


Don't you get it?  The separatists are working for the CIA. The CIA wants the Ukraine to rejoin the Russians, so that the Great Leap Forward can come to the US, and when it does, Russia will be embiggened by their brethren in arms across the ocean, and then they can retake all of Europe, which is 95% Socialisms anyway. The Commies never lost power, they were just biding their time, and all this was a plot to lull True Americans into a false sense of security, and that gave them the time to infiltrate the CIA and the American government.

Study. It. Out. Mang.
 
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