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2014-07-18 10:45:17 AM
Mitch Hedberg: Still relevant nearly a decade after his death.
 
2014-07-18 11:44:23 AM
Great. Now FedEx has to have a KYC program. Next up at Home Depot: sorry sir, you can't buy that shovel until we've completed a background investigation.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2014-07-18 12:29:46 PM
FedEx said yesterday it repeatedly asked the government for a list of illegal pharmacies so it would know which ones not to do business with. The U.S. never gave it such a list, it said.

Somewhere in the computers of the HR department of a company I will never work for again is a note saying I refused to agree to obey a corporate policy they wouldn't tell me about.

Click "agree" to confirm you will obey company policy. Violation of company policy is punishable by disciplinary action up to and including immediate termination.

Ooh, scary. I'd better find out what company policy is. Can you send it to me?

No. We don't keep track of company policies. Click agree to say you will obey company policy. Violation of company policy is punishable by disciplinary action up to and including immediate termination.
 
2014-07-18 01:32:17 PM

ZAZ: FedEx said yesterday it repeatedly asked the government for a list of illegal pharmacies so it would know which ones not to do business with. The U.S. never gave it such a list, it said.

Somewhere in the computers of the HR department of a company I will never work for again is a note saying I refused to agree to obey a corporate policy they wouldn't tell me about.

Click "agree" to confirm you will obey company policy. Violation of company policy is punishable by disciplinary action up to and including immediate termination.

Ooh, scary. I'd better find out what company policy is. Can you send it to me?

No. We don't keep track of company policies. Click agree to say you will obey company policy. Violation of company policy is punishable by disciplinary action up to and including immediate termination.


I hope you broke something on your way out.
 
2014-07-18 01:32:44 PM
I like the  FedEx driver cause he's a drug dealer and doesn't even know it
 
2014-07-18 01:34:30 PM
corporations might be people, but they aren't poor people, therefore they can't be charged with a crime.

/thanks obama roberts!
 
2014-07-18 01:37:26 PM
You can't put a corporation in a corporate prison.
 
2014-07-18 01:39:19 PM

ZAZ: FedEx said yesterday it repeatedly asked the government for a list of illegal pharmacies so it would know which ones not to do business with. The U.S. never gave it such a list, it said.

Somewhere in the computers of the HR department of a company I will never work for again is a note saying I refused to agree to obey a corporate policy they wouldn't tell me about.

Click "agree" to confirm you will obey company policy. Violation of company policy is punishable by disciplinary action up to and including immediate termination.

Ooh, scary. I'd better find out what company policy is. Can you send it to me?

No. We don't keep track of company policies. Click agree to say you will obey company policy. Violation of company policy is punishable by disciplinary action up to and including immediate termination.


It is a hell of a slippery slope to put the burden on FedEx considering the multitude of parcels shipped every day.

Reminds me of Carlin's "7 Dirty Words" bit (the 1978 version) where he rants about havng to say the word to find out what it is when you're a kid. "Don't you think it's normal that if they didn't want you to say something, they'd tell you what it is?"
 
2014-07-18 01:39:27 PM
The solution here is simple, people.  We just let the government open all of our packages before they get to us, that way we won't be harming ourselves with scary drugs.
 
2014-07-18 01:41:48 PM

Orgasmatron138: ZAZ: FedEx said yesterday it repeatedly asked the government for a list of illegal pharmacies so it would know which ones not to do business with. The U.S. never gave it such a list, it said.

Somewhere in the computers of the HR department of a company I will never work for again is a note saying I refused to agree to obey a corporate policy they wouldn't tell me about.

Click "agree" to confirm you will obey company policy. Violation of company policy is punishable by disciplinary action up to and including immediate termination.

Ooh, scary. I'd better find out what company policy is. Can you send it to me?

No. We don't keep track of company policies. Click agree to say you will obey company policy. Violation of company policy is punishable by disciplinary action up to and including immediate termination.

It is a hell of a slippery slope to put the burden on FedEx considering the multitude of parcels shipped every day.

Reminds me of Carlin's "7 Dirty Words" bit (the 1978 version) where he rants about havng to say the word to find out what it is when you're a kid. "Don't you think it's normal that if they didn't want you to say something, they'd tell you what it is?"

teenage mutant ninja rapist: I hope you broke something on your way out.

ZAZ broke company policy on his/her way out. Asking to see the company policy is a violation of company policy which is punishable by disciplinary action up to and including immediate termination.
 
2014-07-18 01:42:32 PM
Who cares about this shiat, get China to start shipping lipo's via normal routes again you farkheads
 
2014-07-18 01:43:13 PM
That's it boys. You just keep driving that questionable activity further under ground.


Tis not such a tragedy when we grudgingly accept the various proclivities of the individual.
That we insist we can adjust those leanings only through punishment, therein resides the problem.
 
2014-07-18 01:43:50 PM
FedEx has known for decades they move tons of drugs. If your shipment is well packaged, and doesn't break open during sorting, you'll be fine.

If it does break open, they give an agent a uniform and a truck to make the delivery. Gives a whole new meaning to "sign here".

/used to work for FedEx.
 
2014-07-18 01:45:02 PM
Think about it like this, FedEx is the ISP, online pharmacies are the torrent sites for crap like Bieber and Swift, and Big Pharma is the RIAA.... hmm, nuke them all from orbit, it's the only way to be sure.
 
2014-07-18 01:45:18 PM
Robert Parish was wondering why his Fedex "package" hadn't been delivered yet.
 
2014-07-18 01:45:51 PM
Do the Postal Inspectors have any jurisdiction over non-Postal Service deliveries?
 
2014-07-18 01:46:26 PM
You could say the silk road was getting...a little torn.

//YEEEAAAAAAAAAHHHH
 
2014-07-18 01:47:03 PM
I'm sure the Feds did this completely on their own and not at the behest of big pharmaceutical companies who stand to lose a metric farkton of cash by competing with non-U.S. pharmacies.
 
2014-07-18 01:48:10 PM
Yet the USPS does the same thing.
 
2014-07-18 01:50:15 PM

flucto: Great. Now FedEx has to have a KYC program. Next up at Home Depot: sorry sir, you can't buy that shovel until we've completed a background investigation.


I went camping in PA two years back, and got in late and knew I'd forgotten some stuff.
Hit a Lowes, and walked in during a thunderstorm at night.
Got what I needed to fix up my camp:
Folding Shovel
Tarp
Clothesline
Duck tape
Machete

Went to pay for it and was paying cash.
they wanted my phone number.
I was like no. Can't a guy just buy some supplies and pay cash for them with out a lot of questions being asked?
they finally let me but were giving me screwy looks when I left.

Everybody knows the best time to move a body is on a dark rainy night.
 
2014-07-18 01:50:54 PM

NutWrench: I'm sure the Feds did this completely on their own and not at the behest of big pharmaceutical companies who stand to lose a metric farkton of cash by competing with non-U.S. pharmacies.


The Spice must flow.
 
2014-07-18 01:53:19 PM

Detinwolf: The solution here is simple, people.  We just let the government open all of our packages before they get to us, that way we won't be harming ourselves with scary drugs.


Freedom isn't free, good sir. It costs $12.50 plus tax.
 
2014-07-18 01:54:53 PM

Private_Citizen: FedEx has known for decades they move tons of drugs. If your shipment is well packaged, and doesn't break open during sorting, you'll be fine.

If it does break open, they give an agent a uniform and a truck to make the delivery. Gives a whole new meaning to "sign here".

/used to work for FedEx.


They bust the guy who receives the package?

So, uh, all I, er, someone would have to do to ruin someone else's life is to send them a poorly packaged box of drugs?
 
2014-07-18 01:55:29 PM
You mean all those spam emails were real?
 
2014-07-18 01:55:32 PM

Detinwolf: The solution here is simple, people.  We just let the government open all of our packages before they get to us, that way we won't be harming ourselves with scary drugs.


Ingenious! Problem solved!

I feel safer already. As do the children. Think of the children. Everything's always about the children....
 
2014-07-18 01:55:45 PM

beer4breakfast: Yet the USPS does the same thing.


There is no money to be made from the USPS
 
2014-07-18 01:58:53 PM

ZAZ: FedEx said yesterday it repeatedly asked the government for a list of illegal pharmacies so it would know which ones not to do business with. The U.S. never gave it such a list, it said.

Somewhere in the computers of the HR department of a company I will never work for again is a note saying I refused to agree to obey a corporate policy they wouldn't tell me about.

Click "agree" to confirm you will obey company policy. Violation of company policy is punishable by disciplinary action up to and including immediate termination.

Ooh, scary. I'd better find out what company policy is. Can you send it to me?

No. We don't keep track of company policies. Click agree to say you will obey company policy. Violation of company policy is punishable by disciplinary action up to and including immediate termination.


You have twenty seconds to drop your weapon.
 
2014-07-18 02:03:14 PM
I like the catch 22. The DEA won't tell them who not to do business with since they are working to bust them. Most likely using fedex for evidence. Yet fedex is complicit do to reasons.
 
2014-07-18 02:03:43 PM

COMALite J: Orgasmatron138: ZAZ: FedEx said yesterday it repeatedly asked the government for a list of illegal pharmacies so it would know which ones not to do business with. The U.S. never gave it such a list, it said.

Somewhere in the computers of the HR department of a company I will never work for again is a note saying I refused to agree to obey a corporate policy they wouldn't tell me about.

Click "agree" to confirm you will obey company policy. Violation of company policy is punishable by disciplinary action up to and including immediate termination.

Ooh, scary. I'd better find out what company policy is. Can you send it to me?

No. We don't keep track of company policies. Click agree to say you will obey company policy. Violation of company policy is punishable by disciplinary action up to and including immediate termination.

It is a hell of a slippery slope to put the burden on FedEx considering the multitude of parcels shipped every day.

Reminds me of Carlin's "7 Dirty Words" bit (the 1978 version) where he rants about havng to say the word to find out what it is when you're a kid. "Don't you think it's normal that if they didn't want you to say something, they'd tell you what it is?"
teenage mutant ninja rapist: I hope you broke something on your way out.
ZAZ broke company policy on his/her way out. Asking to see the company policy is a violation of company policy which is punishable by disciplinary action up to and including immediate termination.


F. Kafka, Proprietor.
 
2014-07-18 02:06:17 PM

que.guero: Detinwolf: The solution here is simple, people.  We just let the government open all of our packages before they get to us, that way we won't be harming ourselves with scary drugs.

Freedom isn't free, good sir. It costs $12.50 plus tax.


Prices have gone up.
 
2014-07-18 02:07:43 PM
FedEx just discovered they need more lobbyists.  The right senators are not getting their sugar.
 
2014-07-18 02:10:06 PM

sendtodave: Private_Citizen: FedEx has known for decades they move tons of drugs. If your shipment is well packaged, and doesn't break open during sorting, you'll be fine.

If it does break open, they give an agent a uniform and a truck to make the delivery. Gives a whole new meaning to "sign here".

/used to work for FedEx.

They bust the guy who receives the package?

So, uh, all I, er, someone would have to do to ruin someone else's life is to send them a poorly packaged box of drugs?


:Yes....or package it well and make an anonymous phone tip.
 
2014-07-18 02:11:25 PM

ZAZ: FedEx said yesterday it repeatedly asked the government for a list of illegal pharmacies so it would know which ones not to do business with. The U.S. never gave it such a list, it said.

Somewhere in the computers of the HR department of a company I will never work for again is a note saying I refused to agree to obey a corporate policy they wouldn't tell me about.

Click "agree" to confirm you will obey company policy. Violation of company policy is punishable by disciplinary action up to and including immediate termination.

Ooh, scary. I'd better find out what company policy is. Can you send it to me?

No. We don't keep track of company policies. Click agree to say you will obey company policy. Violation of company policy is punishable by disciplinary action up to and including immediate termination.


This is the crux of every modern corporation.
A little quote from *sigh* Ayn Rand
"The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws."
This is exactly what large corporations do now so that at any moment if they feel like you aren't worth it, out the door you go. Policy on top of procedure on top of practice leads to the complete removal of being able to do anything and complete your job while using any form of common sense. And coming in at your payroll target. So we make all these rules so that the moment you fark one of them up, it's zero tolerance and out the door you go.
 
2014-07-18 02:13:37 PM
refuse a package: accused of racism, elitism, prejudice, redlining, bigotry, or whatever.
 
2014-07-18 02:15:56 PM

jayphat: ZAZ: FedEx said yesterday it repeatedly asked the government for a list of illegal pharmacies so it would know which ones not to do business with. The U.S. never gave it such a list, it said.

Somewhere in the computers of the HR department of a company I will never work for again is a note saying I refused to agree to obey a corporate policy they wouldn't tell me about.

Click "agree" to confirm you will obey company policy. Violation of company policy is punishable by disciplinary action up to and including immediate termination.

Ooh, scary. I'd better find out what company policy is. Can you send it to me?

No. We don't keep track of company policies. Click agree to say you will obey company policy. Violation of company policy is punishable by disciplinary action up to and including immediate termination.

This is the crux of every modern corporation.
A little quote from *sigh* Ayn Rand
"The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws."
This is exactly what large corporations do now so that at any moment if they feel like you aren't worth it, out the door you go. Policy on top of procedure on top of practice leads to the complete removal of being able to do anything and complete your job while using any form of common sense. And coming in at your payroll target. So we make all these rules so that the moment you fark one of them up, it's zero tolerance and out the door you go.


I guess the difference would be that you are at the corporation willingly and can decide whether to agree or not. A Government can make you a Criminal without you taking any action whatsoever....removing your free will completely.
 
2014-07-18 02:17:27 PM

NutWrench: I'm sure the Feds did this completely on their own and not at the behest of big pharmaceutical companies who stand to lose a metric farkton of cash by competing with non-U.S. pharmacies.


While I'm sure that's a big part of it, many of the online pharmacies charge more, in some cases a lot more, than your neighborhood pharmacy. You're paying extra to not have to deal with an MD's sometimes arbitrary decision about what drugs you should have access to. Doctor shopping often happens not because someone wants five prescriptions to a drug they want to overuse but rather to find one doctor who will give them the single prescription they desire. It's kind of a messed up system but certainly not without its good points too. Drug companies already use many of the same marketing techniques used by food companies to get you to demand a particular drug from your doctor. Without an MD in the process, that could get even worse. How long would it take for their lobbyists to get side effects labeling requirements removed from ads and product boxes because it hurts competitiveness or something along those lines?
 
2014-07-18 02:27:35 PM
"conspiracy to distribute controlled substances and misbranded drugs and drug trafficking that carry a potential fine of twice the gains from the conduct,"

Strangely this punishment method is not used on someone caught selling $50 of coke.
 
2014-07-18 02:29:55 PM
"This indictment highlights the importance of holding corporations that knowingly enable illegal activity responsible for their role in aiding criminal behavior," U.S. Attorney Melinda Haag in San Francisco said in a statement.

The 2008 economy wonders what Fedex has been shipping to Melinda's house.
 
2014-07-18 02:31:03 PM
The states can only execute people convicted of murder but the Feds can execute a person convicted of delivery of large amounts of a controlled substance... a much smaller amount than FedEx is accused of delivering.

Obviously we can't give FedEx the death penalty but we can revoke their corporate charter.

www.expat-chronicles.com
 
2014-07-18 02:32:21 PM
sendtodave: They bust the guy who receives the package?

So, uh, all I, er, someone would have to do to ruin someone else's life is to send them a poorly packaged box of drugs?


I think if they can they bust both sides.  Usually what happens is that they bust the recipient or the sender and then they go looking for the other side to add in another bust.

/work for a division of said delivery company
//Supposed to use the "official" response to questions
///Have had agents ask to alert them for packages sent to particular addresses
 
2014-07-18 02:32:29 PM

EngineerAU: While I'm sure that's a big part of it, many of the online pharmacies charge more, in some cases a lot more, than your neighborhood pharmacy. You're paying extra to not have to deal with an MD's sometimes arbitrary decision about what drugs you should have access to

.

True, but there are places like non for mu lary where you can buy drugs and receive a valid prescription. The dr consult
is included in the price as is shipping, too bad trams are going schedule iv.My last order from india  on the customs declaration said HARMLESS INDIAN MEDICATION on it. I loled
 
2014-07-18 02:41:21 PM

ZAZ: FedEx said yesterday it repeatedly asked the government for a list of illegal pharmacies so it would know which ones not to do business with. The U.S. never gave it such a list, it said.

Somewhere in the computers of the HR department of a company I will never work for again is a note saying I refused to agree to obey a corporate policy they wouldn't tell me about.

Click "agree" to confirm you will obey company policy. Violation of company policy is punishable by disciplinary action up to and including immediate termination.

Ooh, scary. I'd better find out what company policy is. Can you send it to me?

No. We don't keep track of company policies. Click agree to say you will obey company policy. Violation of company policy is punishable by disciplinary action up to and including immediate termination.


Hope you took a screenshot and e-mailed it to Unenjoyment.
 
2014-07-18 02:41:56 PM
ZAZ:
No. We don't keep track of company policies. Click agree to say you will obey company policy. Violation of company policy is punishable by disciplinary action up to and including immediate termination.

Niiice.
Was your job title "Troubleshooter", by any chance?
 
2014-07-18 02:42:38 PM

lockers: I like the catch 22. The DEA won't tell them who not to do business with since they are working to bust them. Most likely using fedex for evidence. Yet fedex is complicit do to reasons.


I don't see how the DEA would be able to go after a pharmacy based in another country and that is abiding by all the laws of that country.  Next best thing is go after the courier, but if they won't give FedEx a list, what are they to do?

I wonder how much money Pfizer and J&J had to "donate" to get this in motion.
 
2014-07-18 02:43:09 PM
and this is where the Fred Ex chairman's hard on to play junior G-man after 9/11 is going to come back and bit him in the ass...HARD.  At the time Fed Ex figured out that while a federal agent couldn't open your packages without a warrant, Fed EX's TOS agreement with their clients explicitly included the right to open whatever the fark the wanted whenever they wants, and if a law enforcement agent just happened to be nearby and look in after it was opened?  well that was "plain sight" no warrant needed.


so he basically allowed the FBI and DEA and whomever else want to, station agents at all his distrubution centers  and if they were surious what was inside a package Fed ex would open it for them as part of their own "safety inspections" and then leave it open so the feds could peer insider
 
2014-07-18 02:46:50 PM

Somaticasual: You could say the silk road was getting...a little torn.

//YEEEAAAAAAAAAHHHH


That's what you went with? Not a "smooth" pun?
 
2014-07-18 02:47:01 PM

Ishidan: ZAZ:
No. We don't keep track of company policies. Click agree to say you will obey company policy. Violation of company policy is punishable by disciplinary action up to and including immediate termination.

Niiice.
Was your job title "Troubleshooter", by any chance?


GM Quality Controller.
 
2014-07-18 02:48:33 PM

sendtodave: Private_Citizen: FedEx has known for decades they move tons of drugs. If your shipment is well packaged, and doesn't break open during sorting, you'll be fine.

If it does break open, they give an agent a uniform and a truck to make the delivery. Gives a whole new meaning to "sign here".

/used to work for FedEx.

They bust the guy who receives the package?

So, uh, all I, er, someone would have to do to ruin someone else's life is to send them a poorly packaged box of drugs?


Sometimes they just raid his house and shoot their dogs.
 
2014-07-18 02:49:43 PM

Private_Citizen: FedEx has known for decades they move tons of drugs. If your shipment is well packaged, and doesn't break open during sorting, you'll be fine.

If it does break open, they give an agent a uniform and a truck to make the delivery. Gives a whole new meaning to "sign here".

/used to work for FedEx.


So.... theoretically...... if a person really really hated someone, they could just put some drugs in a weak container and ship it via fedex to the individual in question, who, despite not having ordered anything, would probably sign for it..........
 
2014-07-18 02:51:32 PM

Private_Citizen: FedEx has known for decades they move tons of drugs. If your shipment is well packaged, and doesn't break open during sorting, you'll be fine.

If it does break open, they give an agent a uniform and a truck to make the delivery. Gives a whole new meaning to "sign here".

/used to work for FedEx.


I could see making a simple device with a light sensor and radio transmitter (or GSM module) that can be tossed in a box and will let you know when a package has been opened prematurely.

I could make a fortune selling them on ebay to whoever is using whatever site replaced The Silk Road.
 
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