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2014-07-18 09:59:39 AM
Are you kidding? I would love to buy a Jaguar XK.

I just cant afford it.
 
2014-07-18 10:33:40 AM
farking Marketwatch and it's stupid site never renders completely for me. Nothing blocked in NoScript or Ghostery, I think it's because of a dirty mix of secure and non secure content that gets trashed by HTTPS Everywhere. Anybody got a thought on that one? I'm tired of Marketwatch links.

Sorry for the threadjack(not really), but what better place to ask about it then a thread full of people who are looking at the same link.
 
2014-07-18 11:14:40 AM
Well, not really a list of 10, considering the Tahoe, Escalade and Yukon are all the same car.
 
2014-07-18 12:49:45 PM

InterruptingQuirk: farking Marketwatch and it's stupid site never renders completely for me. Nothing blocked in NoScript or Ghostery, I think it's because of a dirty mix of secure and non secure content that gets trashed by HTTPS Everywhere. Anybody got a thought on that one? I'm tired of Marketwatch links.

Sorry for the threadjack(not really), but what better place to ask about it then a thread full of people who are looking at the same link.


Same problem here. No idea why. Don't care to research it. I just quit clicking the links.
 
2014-07-18 12:49:45 PM
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2014-07-18 01:05:11 PM

Odoriferous Queef: InterruptingQuirk: farking Marketwatch and it's stupid site never renders completely for me. Nothing blocked in NoScript or Ghostery, I think it's because of a dirty mix of secure and non secure content that gets trashed by HTTPS Everywhere. Anybody got a thought on that one? I'm tired of Marketwatch links.

Sorry for the threadjack(not really), but what better place to ask about it then a thread full of people who are looking at the same link.

Same problem here. No idea why. Don't care to research it. I just quit clicking the links.


Ditto, Won't even move to the next slide.
 
2014-07-18 01:05:19 PM
Scion tC
Dodge Avenger**
Lincoln MKS
Chevy Tahoe*
Chrysler 200**
Jaguar XK
GMC Yukon*
Cadillac Escalade*
Mitsubishi Outlander
Volvo S60

* Same
** Same

So, a list of the 7 cars American's don't want to buy then.

This list could have been one entry and just shown the Mitsubishi emblem and been done with it.

Where's Smart? Where's the the Scion IQ? Where's the Cadillac ELR? Where's the Mazda Miata if we're going by sales volume?
 
2014-07-18 01:05:26 PM

Odoriferous Queef: InterruptingQuirk: farking Marketwatch and it's stupid site never renders completely for me. Nothing blocked in NoScript or Ghostery, I think it's because of a dirty mix of secure and non secure content that gets trashed by HTTPS Everywhere. Anybody got a thought on that one? I'm tired of Marketwatch links.

Sorry for the threadjack(not really), but what better place to ask about it then a thread full of people who are looking at the same link.

Same problem here. No idea why. Don't care to research it. I just quit clicking the links.


Your problem is you tried to RTFA
 
2014-07-18 01:08:20 PM

Bob Falfa: Well, not really a list of 10, considering the Tahoe, Escalade and Yukon are all the same car.


The Tahoe and Yukon are the same vehicle, but the Escalade is larger than those. You might be thinking of Escalade/Suburban.

vernonFL: Are you kidding? I would love to buy a Jaguar XK.

I just cant afford it.


I think Jaguar's problem is after comparing with competing models you'd probably end up with one of its competitors. Mercedes S-class, Audi A8, BMW 7-series are all luxury models right in that price range. If you have an emotional attachment to Jags (I totally understand) you might overlook some of the XK's shortcomings relative to the others at the same price...
 
2014-07-18 01:10:50 PM
I had a Chrysler 200 as a rental and hated it. The back window is small, it's weird looking in the rear view mirror and only seeing like 30% road and 70% car interior.
 
2014-07-18 01:12:49 PM
Why does Volvo do so poorly?

They are making a pretty nice looking car these days. They have a reputation for long-term reliability. They are built well. The price is pretty reasonable. It seems like a nice step between Toyota/Honda/VW and BMW/Mercedes/Lexus.

Or is that the problem? That's a step most people with the cash are just happy to leap right over and step up into the more premium brands?
 
2014-07-18 01:13:20 PM

StopLurkListen: Bob Falfa: Well, not really a list of 10, considering the Tahoe, Escalade and Yukon are all the same car.

The Tahoe and Yukon are the same vehicle, but the Escalade is larger than those. You might be thinking of Escalade/Suburban.


On review I retract this statement... My info was out of date. Sorry...
 
2014-07-18 01:13:22 PM

Bob Falfa: Well, not really a list of 10, considering the Tahoe, Escalade and Yukon are all the same car.


not to mention all 3 are giagntic suvs that inhale gas . a bit surprised hummers were not on the list
 
2014-07-18 01:14:47 PM

Land Ark: Scion tC
Dodge Avenger**
Lincoln MKS
Chevy Tahoe*
Chrysler 200**
Jaguar XK
GMC Yukon*
Cadillac Escalade*
Mitsubishi Outlander
Volvo S60

* Same
** Same

So, a list of the 7 cars American's don't want to buy then.

This list could have been one entry and just shown the Mitsubishi emblem and been done with it.

Where's Smart? Where's the the Scion IQ? Where's the Cadillac ELR? Where's the Mazda Miata if we're going by sales volume?


It looks like they measured by turns.
 
2014-07-18 01:15:49 PM

StopLurkListen: Bob Falfa: Well, not really a list of 10, considering the Tahoe, Escalade and Yukon are all the same car.

The Tahoe and Yukon are the same vehicle, but the Escalade is larger than those. You might be thinking of Escalade/Suburban.


You're thinking Escalade ESV / Suburban. The base Escalade is built on the Tahoe platform.
Then there's the Escalade EXT which you would THINK was the Suburban mate, but is actually the Avalanche mate.
 
2014-07-18 01:31:01 PM

Imperialism: I had a Chrysler 200 as a rental and hated it. The back window is small, it's weird looking in the rear view mirror and only seeing like 30% road and 70% car interior.


The outgoing 200 was based on the Sebring, and as such, is utter crap.  The new 200 for 2015 looks kind of intriguing, though.  It's a complete redesign, so it might actually be decent.
 
2014-07-18 01:33:35 PM

dr-shotgun: Or is that the problem? That's a step most people with the cash are just happy to leap right over and step up into the more premium brands?


I looked at the S60 R-design this last go round.  Seats are ridiculously comfortable, but it was missing in the bang for the buck department.  Listed out at $51k how I wanted it and for $4k more I got an Audi S4, comparably equipped that destroys it in just about every metric (plus still got to keep a manual transmission).  They aren't really separating themselves by much, and not near enough, at that price point to be considered 'between segments.'
 
2014-07-18 01:36:34 PM
Count me in on people who can't make Marketwatch work. Although I gave up pretty quickly, to be honest.

dr-shotgun: Why does Volvo do so poorly?


A few years back I considered an S40 and a C30 when they were still being made. They were both small and cramped, didn't have much cargo room, were not terribly comfortable and yet were fairly pricey if you got anything but the bare bones model. Even considered the C70.

Really just couldn't compete with what Benz, Infiniti and even Acura were offering at the time, in my opinion. Although Acuras have really taken a shiat lately and turned back into little more than overpriced Accords and Civics, I noticed. Aside from the TSX, which is going away soon too, I'm not quite sure what Acura thinks it's selling that's worth buying anymore.

I wound up going with an Infiniti G37 S.
 
2014-07-18 01:52:31 PM

skozlaw: Aside from the TSX, which is going away soon too, I'm not quite sure what Acura thinks it's selling that's worth buying anymore.


It is quite amazing how Acura shiat the bed with the TSX. My business partner had an '05 and it was a pretty fantastic car for what he paid for it. Being a BMW kinda guy, it was also nice how Acura didn't screw people with the options list; you had a choice of manual or automatic, nav or no nav. Easy.

How could they screw up such a good thing?
 
2014-07-18 02:14:01 PM
sedric: Bob Falfa: Well, not really a list of 10, considering the Tahoe, Escalade and Yukon are all the same car.

not to mention all 3 are giagntic suvs that inhale gas . a bit surprised hummers were not on the list.


I thought the civilian Hummer had been discontinued.  Are they still making them?  According to Wikipedia, "After filling a rental-car fleet order, the last Hummer H3 rolled off the line at Shreveport on May 24, 2010."
 
2014-07-18 02:14:54 PM

Saiga410: Scion tC


well I dunno I have had my TC since 2005 and am at 215k and counting.
Biggest issue I have is with is the wheelbase, i am basically in for tires every 18 months and it pretty much needs new struts  so it rides like I am in victorian england.
but she still has great acceleration and decent gas millage.
 
2014-07-18 02:21:53 PM

dr-shotgun: skozlaw: Aside from the TSX, which is going away soon too, I'm not quite sure what Acura thinks it's selling that's worth buying anymore.

It is quite amazing how Acura shiat the bed with the TSX. My business partner had an '05 and it was a pretty fantastic car for what he paid for it. Being a BMW kinda guy, it was also nice how Acura didn't screw people with the options list; you had a choice of manual or automatic, nav or no nav. Easy.

How could they screw up such a good thing?


Even the 20 year old NSX is still a head-turner for me, and I'll still occasionally see (real) Integra Type-Rs, both the older white one and the newer yellow one, around town. Their recent stuff really just looks like the Hondas, though I'm not really an import guy.

They appear to be bringing back the NSX next year.
upload.wikimedia.org
Looks more like an R8 than the successor to the NSX. For one thing, it's about 1.5 feet too tall.
 
2014-07-18 02:25:37 PM
I think Jaguars are pretty cars, but they've always had a bad reputation for having mechanical problems.  I know they got better when Ford bought them, I have no idea about Tata, but there is still that stigma attached to them about being shiatty cars on a mechanical level when compared to Mercedes, BMW, Audi, etc.  Visually I want a Jaguar, but it's hard to reconcile purchasing one when I know that Mercedes is extremely reliable and Jaguars are potentially a crapshoot.
 
2014-07-18 02:29:49 PM

Nexzus: it's about 1.5 feet too tall.


If you don't have that extra door protection as high as your eyeballs, you will die when you get t-boned tomorrow along with the rest of America.
 
2014-07-18 02:38:15 PM

PillsHere: I think Jaguars are pretty cars, but they've always had a bad reputation for having mechanical problems.  I know they got better when Ford bought them, I have no idea about Tata, but there is still that stigma attached to them about being shiatty cars on a mechanical level when compared to Mercedes, BMW, Audi, etc.  Visually I want a Jaguar, but it's hard to reconcile purchasing one when I know that Mercedes is extremely reliable and Jaguars are potentially a crapshoot.


It's interesting that Jag's reputation for unreliability is a hinderance when Land Rover - a brand with an even worse reputation for reliability - can't keep any of their products in stock. Both went through Ford and are now owned by Tata.

For grins, I was stuck in traffic near Land Rover Portland and had some time to kill, so I pulled in to check out the new Range Rover. First thing; even decently dressed and pulling up in a 2013 X5, I basically didn't get the time of day from the sales people. Once I did, I was informed that I could look, but a test drive would require a deposit as everything on the lot was spoken for and they had to limit test drive miles as the vehicles were in such high demand. If I wanted a RR today, I could have one with every option available (sticker at something like $110k) and I would need to pay a $20k "Market Adjustment."

Once we broke through the traditional sales dude/tire kicker barrier and got to more casual chit chatting, I asked just how many fully optioned + $20k RRs they had ever actually sold, especially here in Portland (not exactly LA or SF or NYC). Turns out, about once a month. I was floored. He said the NYC dealerships move 3-4 a month like that.
 
2014-07-18 03:11:34 PM

Odoriferous Queef: InterruptingQuirk: farking Marketwatch and it's stupid site never renders completely for me. Nothing blocked in NoScript or Ghostery, I think it's because of a dirty mix of secure and non secure content that gets trashed by HTTPS Everywhere. Anybody got a thought on that one? I'm tired of Marketwatch links.

Sorry for the threadjack(not really), but what better place to ask about it then a thread full of people who are looking at the same link.

Same problem here. No idea why. Don't care to research it. I just quit clicking the links.


In your HTTPS Everywhere preferences, search for Marketwatch.com, right-click, and toggle so a red X is displayed. Click OK. That should fix it.
 
2014-07-18 03:13:25 PM
Bob Falfa


Well, not really a list of 10, considering the Tahoe, Escalade and Yukon are all the same car.

Also depends on market, I have seen a shiat-ton of the Tahoe/Yukon on the road in the past month.
 
2014-07-18 03:13:38 PM
Damn. My truck is 12 years old and I haven't shopped for one since. Did not realize how expensive vehicles have gotten.
 
2014-07-18 03:35:54 PM

Drachirryz: and toggle so a red X is displayed.


Kind of defeats the 'Everywhere' part of that add-on doesn't it?
 
2014-07-18 04:19:34 PM

dr-shotgun: Why does Volvo do so poorly?

They are making a pretty nice looking car these days. They have a reputation for long-term reliability. They are built well. The price is pretty reasonable. It seems like a nice step between Toyota/Honda/VW and BMW/Mercedes/Lexus.

Or is that the problem? That's a step most people with the cash are just happy to leap right over and step up into the more premium brands?


Their boxy.
 
2014-07-18 04:29:01 PM

InterruptingQuirk: farking Marketwatch and it's stupid site never renders completely for me. Nothing blocked in NoScript or Ghostery, I think it's because of a dirty mix of secure and non secure content that gets trashed by HTTPS Everywhere. Anybody got a thought on that one? I'm tired of Marketwatch links.

Sorry for the threadjack(not really), but what better place to ask about it then a thread full of people who are looking at the same link.


Base slideshow issues on there are usually linked to script-blocked(or otherwise hindered) wsj.net - for whatever reason.  Yeah, sadly I've clicked on enough of them to figure that out after fiddling with it one day just out of sheer "OK WTFH is it that is causing this shiat?!"
 
2014-07-18 04:33:25 PM
Drachirryz:

In your HTTPS Everywhere preferences, search for Marketwatch.com, right-click, and toggle so a red X is displayed. Click OK. That should fix it.

Cool. Thanks.
 
2014-07-18 05:11:51 PM

Bob Falfa: Well, not really a list of 10, considering the Tahoe, Escalade and Yukon are all the same car.


Can't expect trash sites like Marketwatch to do real research.
 
2014-07-18 05:16:29 PM

Land Ark: Scion tC
Dodge Avenger**
Lincoln MKS
Chevy Tahoe*
Chrysler 200**
Jaguar XK
GMC Yukon*
Cadillac Escalade*
Mitsubishi Outlander
Volvo S60

* Same
** Same

So, a list of the 7 cars American's don't want to buy then.

This list could have been one entry and just shown the Mitsubishi emblem and been done with it.

Where's Smart? Where's the the Scion IQ? Where's the Cadillac ELR? Where's the Mazda Miata if we're going by sales volume?


Regarding the Scion tC, not sure why anyone would want any of the other Scions. That's the best one of them.

The Lincoln and Jaq are too expensive, along with the Caddy and GMC realistically.

The Tahoe is popular with rental places and law enforcement. It isn't the right shape really for soccer moms and doesn't have enough cargo space for people who need to move stuff. Pretty good for a family of 5 on vacation with some suitcases though.

That leaves the Dodge, Chrysler, Mitsubishi and Volvo. Basically no one wants any of their cars. That's why their sales are crap.

List is crap.
 
2014-07-18 05:29:27 PM

dr-shotgun: PillsHere: I think Jaguars are pretty cars, but they've always had a bad reputation for having mechanical problems.  I know they got better when Ford bought them, I have no idea about Tata, but there is still that stigma attached to them about being shiatty cars on a mechanical level when compared to Mercedes, BMW, Audi, etc.  Visually I want a Jaguar, but it's hard to reconcile purchasing one when I know that Mercedes is extremely reliable and Jaguars are potentially a crapshoot.

It's interesting that Jag's reputation for unreliability is a hinderance when Land Rover - a brand with an even worse reputation for reliability - can't keep any of their products in stock. Both went through Ford and are now owned by Tata.

For grins, I was stuck in traffic near Land Rover Portland and had some time to kill, so I pulled in to check out the new Range Rover. First thing; even decently dressed and pulling up in a 2013 X5, I basically didn't get the time of day from the sales people. Once I did, I was informed that I could look, but a test drive would require a deposit as everything on the lot was spoken for and they had to limit test drive miles as the vehicles were in such high demand. If I wanted a RR today, I could have one with every option available (sticker at something like $110k) and I would need to pay a $20k "Market Adjustment."

Once we broke through the traditional sales dude/tire kicker barrier and got to more casual chit chatting, I asked just how many fully optioned + $20k RRs they had ever actually sold, especially here in Portland (not exactly LA or SF or NYC). Turns out, about once a month. I was floored. He said the NYC dealerships move 3-4 a month like that.


That sounds like a recent experience I had at a Porsche dealership.  I was just along for the ride, but I went to the dealership with someone who was interested in the Cayenne Turbo as a present for his wife.  They basically ignored us and when they finally talked to us they told us it would be a long waiting list for any car and they would make him wait until the next model came out on the Cayenne specifically.  They really gave almost no information, didn't offer to let us test drive, and weren't too friendly.  They lost a sale due to their poor customer service.

What they don't know is that guy is extremely wealthy and would have bought a completely pimped out Cayenne Turbo ($110k) with all the bells and whistles right then and there, even if there was a wait to get it if they had put forth any effort.  Not that they're hurting for business or anything, but I've never had that experience at a dealership before.  Usually they jump all over you to help you.  These guys were literally standing around chatting with each other, leaning on the front desk.

/I told him it was a good thing because I don't like Porsche and I think the Cayenne is too small for an SUV.
 
2014-07-18 05:37:21 PM

StopLurkListen: Bob Falfa: Well, not really a list of 10, considering the Tahoe, Escalade and Yukon are all the same car.

The Tahoe and Yukon are the same vehicle, but the Escalade is larger than those. You might be thinking of Escalade/Suburban.

vernonFL: Are you kidding? I would love to buy a Jaguar XK.

I just cant afford it.

I think Jaguar's problem is after comparing with competing models you'd probably end up with one of its competitors. Mercedes S-class, Audi A8, BMW 7-series are all luxury models right in that price range. If you have an emotional attachment to Jags (I totally understand) you might overlook some of the XK's shortcomings relative to the others at the same price...


The only short coming the XK has compared to the S-class, A8 and 7 series is that it has two fewer doors.
 
2014-07-18 05:40:59 PM

Bruce Campbell: dr-shotgun: Or is that the problem? That's a step most people with the cash are just happy to leap right over and step up into the more premium brands?

I looked at the S60 R-design this last go round.  Seats are ridiculously comfortable, but it was missing in the bang for the buck department.  Listed out at $51k how I wanted it and for $4k more I got an Audi S4, comparably equipped that destroys it in just about every metric (plus still got to keep a manual transmission).  They aren't really separating themselves by much, and not near enough, at that price point to be considered 'between segments.'


The S60 is due for a refresh, but it will be the first since the sale of the brand to the Chinese Geely auto brand.  Maybe people are waiting to see how they do before buying a new car. They don't want to get burnt like people did after GM ruined Saab.
 
2014-07-18 06:55:34 PM

devilskware: Damn. My truck is 12 years old and I haven't shopped for one since. Did not realize how expensive vehicles have gotten.


My Lexus is 14 years old at this point, and she's still going strong.  I have absolutely no plans to replace my car, but if I did, I'd buy another Lexus.

/probably a used one
//I can never get myself to pay for a new new car
 
2014-07-18 07:39:16 PM
Good riddance to the Escalade, though I have no idea what ex gang chicks living on food stamps while waiting for their old man to get out of the joint will replace it with.  You need a big car for all them kids and R.I.P. dedication stickers.

/I know, I know
//Way over the top snarky.
///Middle aged southern men drive them too.
 
2014-07-18 07:41:54 PM
Bullseyed:

Regarding the Scion tC, not sure why anyone would want any of the other Scions. That's the best one of them.


I owned one of the first 2005 tCs, and it was a great car. Probably the most reliable car I'll ever own.
However, one must not forget the FR-S which is the only current production Scion I would buy. Though your not mentioning it might be a sign that Americans don't want to buy it.
 
2014-07-18 09:28:22 PM
 
2014-07-18 09:52:11 PM

dr-shotgun: PillsHere: I think Jaguars are pretty cars, but they've always had a bad reputation for having mechanical problems.  I know they got better when Ford bought them, I have no idea about Tata, but there is still that stigma attached to them about being shiatty cars on a mechanical level when compared to Mercedes, BMW, Audi, etc.  Visually I want a Jaguar, but it's hard to reconcile purchasing one when I know that Mercedes is extremely reliable and Jaguars are potentially a crapshoot.

It's interesting that Jag's reputation for unreliability is a hinderance when Land Rover - a brand with an even worse reputation for reliability - can't keep any of their products in stock. Both went through Ford and are now owned by Tata.

For grins, I was stuck in traffic near Land Rover Portland and had some time to kill, so I pulled in to check out the new Range Rover. First thing; even decently dressed and pulling up in a 2013 X5, I basically didn't get the time of day from the sales people. Once I did, I was informed that I could look, but a test drive would require a deposit as everything on the lot was spoken for and they had to limit test drive miles as the vehicles were in such high demand. If I wanted a RR today, I could have one with every option available (sticker at something like $110k) and I would need to pay a $20k "Market Adjustment."

Once we broke through the traditional sales dude/tire kicker barrier and got to more casual chit chatting, I asked just how many fully optioned + $20k RRs they had ever actually sold, especially here in Portland (not exactly LA or SF or NYC). Turns out, about once a month. I was floored. He said the NYC dealerships move 3-4 a month like that.


There was a 2008 XKR at a local dealership about 3 years ago for under $25k with under 100k miles.  I should have at least taken it for a spin or bought it.

/it was probably a junker though
//same dealer had a one owner 2012 Buick sedan with 50 miles on the odometer this year.  It looked really nice, but at $33k it was a bit too much for me.  Why would someone buy a car and only drive it from the dealership to their ranch and then back to the dealership two years later?
 
2014-07-19 12:25:27 AM
Sooooo.The Dodge Avenger is cheaper and takes less time to sell than the Chrysler 200 but the Avenger is the one getting the axe? Makes sense.
 
2014-07-19 06:28:03 AM
I LOVE my 2009 Lincoln MKS, picked it up used last year for $23K (less than half its original price) with 27,000 miles on it. Best looking, most functional, sweetest driving car I have ever driven (Coming from an former Audi / Lexus guy).

It has many, many, Many options (heated /cooled seats front / heated back seats, auto dimming brights, auto sensing wipers). The best are the built in hard drive for music (thanks Microsoft), double moon roofs, and the push button window shade.  My only complaint is the price of the tires, but I guess that is what happens on ANY car that has 20" rims.

i615.photobucket.com
i615.photobucket.com
 
2014-07-19 10:31:00 AM

dr-shotgun: Why does Volvo do so poorly?

They are making a pretty nice looking car these days. They have a reputation for long-term reliability. They are built well. The price is pretty reasonable. It seems like a nice step between Toyota/Honda/VW and BMW/Mercedes/Lexus.

Or is that the problem? That's a step most people with the cash are just happy to leap right over and step up into the more premium brands?


With any of the smaller marques, there's some worry about long-term support and resale value.  Not that Volvo (as in Sweden and trucks and all) is going anywhere, but Volvo (as in cars sold in the US owned by the Chinese)?

As for the latter?  Yeah, pretty much there's a middle-brow gap.  Actual cash-in-hand millionaires tend to buy lower-end Lexuses, Buicks, and even plain-old Camries/Avalons.  The showier brands are mostly people taking out financing or leases.  And, if you're financing it anyway, the money feels a little less real. Since you're trying to be showy, would you drive a Volvo or Infiniti mid-range to save $50/month in your car payment over a BMW or Lexus?
 
2014-07-19 01:55:17 PM

Lawnchair: dr-shotgun: Why does Volvo do so poorly?

They are making a pretty nice looking car these days. They have a reputation for long-term reliability. They are built well. The price is pretty reasonable. It seems like a nice step between Toyota/Honda/VW and BMW/Mercedes/Lexus.

Or is that the problem? That's a step most people with the cash are just happy to leap right over and step up into the more premium brands?

With any of the smaller marques, there's some worry about long-term support and resale value.  Not that Volvo (as in Sweden and trucks and all) is going anywhere, but Volvo (as in cars sold in the US owned by the Chinese)?

As for the latter?  Yeah, pretty much there's a middle-brow gap.  Actual cash-in-hand millionaires tend to buy lower-end Lexuses, Buicks, and even plain-old Camries/Avalons.  The showier brands are mostly people taking out financing or leases.  And, if you're financing it anyway, the money feels a little less real. Since you're trying to be showy, would you drive a Volvo or Infiniti mid-range to save $50/month in your car payment over a BMW or Lexus?


Honestly, I'd take an Infiniti over a Lexus or BMW any day. Infinitis are solid cars with good performance and nice interiors compared to the other Japanese "Luxury" brands.
 
2014-07-19 04:38:26 PM
The Tahoe was named Chevrolet's most dependable model by Consumer Reports last year.

Being part of GM that is sort of like saying it is the least painful form of a sucking chest wound.
 
2014-07-19 07:32:01 PM
Some of these stories make no sense at all.  I'm always astounded at the number of new Escalades\Tahoes\etc on the roads around here.  They're everywhere.
 
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