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(Yahoo)   California city ready to fine residents for having brown lawns during one of the worst droughts in the state's history   (news.yahoo.com) divider line 112
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2014-07-18 12:48:27 AM  
The good news is that paint and dyes could be a growth industry...
 
2014-07-18 01:21:24 AM  

hubiestubert: The good news is that paint and dyes could be a growth industry...


It also might be a good time to buy stock in companies that make air conditioners.
 
2014-07-18 01:30:48 AM  
Undocumented lawns now? Thanks Obama.
 
2014-07-18 02:04:08 AM  
amend the bylaws to exclude during droughts ...

TADA - fixed the problem with ONE LINE
 
2014-07-18 02:36:28 AM  
Problem: Not enough rain is falling
Solution: Pour water on the ground

I'm not sure why you guys are so against this.
 
2014-07-18 02:46:59 AM  

hubiestubert: The good news is that paint and dyes could be a growth industry...


i.azcentral.com

Paint your glued down gravel lawn green, like folks in Phoenix used to to.
 
2014-07-18 04:00:36 AM  

violentsalvation: hubiestubert: The good news is that paint and dyes could be a growth industry...



Paint your glued down gravel lawn green, like folks in Phoenix used to to.


Do they do the dartboard pattern around a centrally placed succulent plant in Phoenix? Using the white gravel + red lava rocks was really popular in San Diego in the 60s-mid 70s.

I love dartboard lawns.
 
2014-07-18 04:01:30 AM  
I thought brown = gold or some thing like that. I saw it on TV while it was raining yesterday.
 
2014-07-18 04:02:13 AM  
It's California. Enough said.
 
2014-07-18 04:12:57 AM  

namatad: amend the bylaws to exclude during droughts ...

TADA - fixed the problem with ONE LINE


This wasn't an HOA.

It was the City Manager. The CITY. It was the CITY GOVERNMENT being stupid and intractable, isn't that awesome?
 
2014-07-18 04:16:39 AM  
I grew up in San Francisco in the 70's and the cops would ticket people with green lawns.

You were allowed to water your trees, but if that lawn wasn't dead brown you'd get fined.

/ That was back when California used to actually "do" stuff.
 
2014-07-18 04:16:47 AM  
Isn't this type of stuff the real reason for the lack of water, and not really because of lack of rainfall? When I say that I mean because of all of these new communities that have sprouted up over the last 20 or so years that have rules requiring green lawns in places where green lawns aren't natural, putting a strain on an already naturally limited water supply. Plus more people moving in taxing the limited water supply, and farming in the north. Isn't the situation out there less of a drought and more of an overuse of an already scarce resource situation? Just like what is going on in Texas.
 
2014-07-18 04:22:39 AM  
Hmm. San Gabriel Valley is usually not a big source of lunacy in this region.  I would have expected South Bay or OC for this.
 
2014-07-18 04:22:57 AM  

ongbok: Isn't this type of stuff the real reason for the lack of water, and not really because of lack of rainfall? When I say that I mean because of all of these new communities that have sprouted up over the last 20 or so years that have rules requiring green lawns in places where green lawns aren't natural, putting a strain on an already naturally limited water supply. Plus more people moving in taxing the limited water supply, and farming in the north. Isn't the situation out there less of a drought and more of an overuse of an already scarce resource situation? Just like what is going on in Texas.


That pretty much sums it up. Don't even start me on farking golf courses.
 
2014-07-18 04:32:53 AM  

studebaker hoch: I grew up in San Francisco in the 70's and the cops would ticket people with green lawns.

You were allowed to water your trees, but if that lawn wasn't dead brown you'd get fined.

/ That was back when California used to actually "do" stuff.


How was it proven such folks hadn't collected rainwater, or had to money to buy 55 gallon drums of water, or get a water truck for the express purpose of watering their lawn? Was it a SF thing? There had to have been folk with money who found it worth their dollars to have green lawns.
 
2014-07-18 04:34:01 AM  

RayD8: ongbok: Isn't this type of stuff the real reason for the lack of water, and not really because of lack of rainfall? When I say that I mean because of all of these new communities that have sprouted up over the last 20 or so years that have rules requiring green lawns in places where green lawns aren't natural, putting a strain on an already naturally limited water supply. Plus more people moving in taxing the limited water supply, and farming in the north. Isn't the situation out there less of a drought and more of an overuse of an already scarce resource situation? Just like what is going on in Texas.

That pretty much sums it up. Don't even start me on farking golf courses.


Are the golf courses not paying their water bill?
 
2014-07-18 04:38:08 AM  
A better question is why they permit homeowners to have lawns in the first place if the only way they can be maintained is constant watering from a potentially limited supply.
 
2014-07-18 04:41:17 AM  

robohobo: RayD8: ongbok: Isn't this type of stuff the real reason for the lack of water, and not really because of lack of rainfall? When I say that I mean because of all of these new communities that have sprouted up over the last 20 or so years that have rules requiring green lawns in places where green lawns aren't natural, putting a strain on an already naturally limited water supply. Plus more people moving in taxing the limited water supply, and farming in the north. Isn't the situation out there less of a drought and more of an overuse of an already scarce resource situation? Just like what is going on in Texas.

That pretty much sums it up. Don't even start me on farking golf courses.

Are the golf courses not paying their water bill?


That's not really relevant here. Golf courses consume a huge amount of water that could be better used elsewhere, especially in regions where water is scarce.
 
2014-07-18 04:42:24 AM  

studebaker hoch: I grew up in San Francisco in the 70's and the cops would ticket people with green lawns.

You were allowed to water your trees, but if that lawn wasn't dead brown you'd get fined.

/ That was back when California used to actually "do" stuff.


Yeah, we're currently in the same situation, and it seems like the state has taken a long time to respond to it this time. Maybe they're just being blase about the whole thing, thinking that the projected El Nino for next year will once again pull California's ass out of the fire. I don't know.

I do know that I haven't watered my lawn since last summer, and the only patches of it that are green are where I've had to water the trees to keep them alive. Burbank sent out notices many months ago urging residents to conserve water, and most of the lawns in the neighborhood look like mine.

I'm wondering what, if anything, our city council or city manager has planned for those who are overwatering their lawns. Burbank has its own water and power service, so fines or hefty surcharges levied on a water bill wouldn't be out of the question.

I'd hate to have to cut back any further, but if I did, say goodbye to my very small herb and vegetable garden (already massively scaled back from last year). After that, it would require killing off things that wouldn't come back, like the rose bushes or crepe myrtle or hydrangeas.

Damn. We need rain bad. And a lot of it.
 
2014-07-18 04:44:09 AM  

robohobo: RayD8: ongbok: Isn't this type of stuff the real reason for the lack of water, and not really because of lack of rainfall? When I say that I mean because of all of these new communities that have sprouted up over the last 20 or so years that have rules requiring green lawns in places where green lawns aren't natural, putting a strain on an already naturally limited water supply. Plus more people moving in taxing the limited water supply, and farming in the north. Isn't the situation out there less of a drought and more of an overuse of an already scarce resource situation? Just like what is going on in Texas.

That pretty much sums it up. Don't even start me on farking golf courses.

Are the golf courses not paying their water bill?


Sure they are. Are you saying over consumption is ok as long as you pay for it?
 
2014-07-18 04:44:16 AM  
At first I thought "Well, maybe they were fined because it might be a potential fire hazard.", then I read the article.
 
2014-07-18 04:46:20 AM  

exatron: robohobo: RayD8: ongbok: Isn't this type of stuff the real reason for the lack of water, and not really because of lack of rainfall? When I say that I mean because of all of these new communities that have sprouted up over the last 20 or so years that have rules requiring green lawns in places where green lawns aren't natural, putting a strain on an already naturally limited water supply. Plus more people moving in taxing the limited water supply, and farming in the north. Isn't the situation out there less of a drought and more of an overuse of an already scarce resource situation? Just like what is going on in Texas.

That pretty much sums it up. Don't even start me on farking golf courses.

Are the golf courses not paying their water bill?

That's not really relevant here. Golf courses consume a huge amount of water that could be better used elsewhere, especially in regions where water is scarce.


Sure it's relevant. Idiots move to and live in desert regions. Idiots move to places people just shouldn't live. People are NOT supposed to set-up camp in such places. See Las Vegas. You move to such a place, you pay, or leave for greener pastures. Literally greener.
 
2014-07-18 04:53:48 AM  
I always thought it was a constitutional right to have a green lawn even in the middle of the desert‽
 
2014-07-18 04:58:11 AM  
Why does it ever only take ONE!!!! complaint?

Seems like the whingers/nosey-farks get to cause a lot of pain with one phone call or email, and yet most normal people would not give a fark.

Psst not everything that happens in your life is meant to make you happy, some things are meant to make other's happy and not you.  So unless it DIRECTLY effects you (you can change the channel, laugh at the lawn ...) shut the fark up.
 
2014-07-18 05:10:57 AM  
So not watering your lawn gets you a $500 fine from the city. But watering your lawn gets you a $500 fine from the state.

www.batonrougeliving.org
 
2014-07-18 05:48:37 AM  

namatad: amend the bylaws to exclude during droughts ...

TADA - fixed the problem with ONE LINE


My brother lives in an HOA in SoCal. He's spent thousands on landscaping and maintenance to keep up with the bylaws that stipulate the lawn must be green. If he's forced to let it all whither he wants assurances that he can start from scratch with a desert lanscaping motif that won't require nearly so much water and maintenance. That essentially means cacti, succulents, dirt, sand and rocks. No grass, no palm trees.
 
2014-07-18 06:04:00 AM  

Danger Avoid Death: studebaker hoch: I grew up in San Francisco in the 70's and the cops would ticket people with green lawns.

You were allowed to water your trees, but if that lawn wasn't dead brown you'd get fined.

/ That was back when California used to actually "do" stuff.

Yeah, we're currently in the same situation, and it seems like the state has taken a long time to respond to it this time. Maybe they're just being blase about the whole thing, thinking that the projected El Nino for next year will once again pull California's ass out of the fire. I don't know.

I do know that I haven't watered my lawn since last summer, and the only patches of it that are green are where I've had to water the trees to keep them alive. Burbank sent out notices many months ago urging residents to conserve water, and most of the lawns in the neighborhood look like mine.

I'm wondering what, if anything, our city council or city manager has planned for those who are overwatering their lawns. Burbank has its own water and power service, so fines or hefty surcharges levied on a water bill wouldn't be out of the question.

I'd hate to have to cut back any further, but if I did, say goodbye to my very small herb and vegetable garden (already massively scaled back from last year). After that, it would require killing off things that wouldn't come back, like the rose bushes or crepe myrtle or hydrangeas.

Damn. We need rain bad. And a lot of it.


I haven't watered my crepe myrtle in 4 years, and the damn thing still won't die.
 
2014-07-18 06:19:43 AM  

Gyrfalcon: namatad: amend the bylaws to exclude during droughts ...

TADA - fixed the problem with ONE LINE

This wasn't an HOA.

It was the City Manager. The CITY. It was the CITY GOVERNMENT being stupid and intractable, isn't that awesome?


eyup
stupid laws should automatically be repealed ... TADA problem solved ...
your law is impossible to implement, therefor it is null and void
WIN

/sigh
 
2014-07-18 06:23:26 AM  
It's truly alarming to see all the reservoirs that used to be filled with water that are now basically valleys of grass.

/South Bay
 
2014-07-18 06:39:50 AM  

JonnyBGoode: So not watering your lawn gets you a $500 fine from the city. But watering your lawn gets you a $500 fine from the state.

[www.batonrougeliving.org image 450x278]


Yet another reason to refer to the absolutely useless politicians politicians as "overpaid seat warmers"

Remember though, these wastes of oxygen CAN be removed. You just have to wait for the next municipal elections and let the dumb ass know WHY you are kicking them out.when he comes knocking at your door looking for your support.  Keep a scrapbook of clippings of their exploits from the local paper (or it's electronic equivalent) at hand for this purpose. Nothing is more satisfying than watching one of these retrogrades squirm in his/her suit!

A bit of public humiliation can work wonders too, especially when getting the press involved, too, but some of these guys especially the old traditional ones are stubborn as mules about it,
 
2014-07-18 06:45:10 AM  

Langdon_777: Why does it ever only take ONE!!!! complaint?

Seems like the whingers/nosey-farks get to cause a lot of pain with one phone call or email, and yet most normal people would not give a fark.

Psst not everything that happens in your life is meant to make you happy, some things are meant to make other's happy and not you.  So unless it DIRECTLY effects you (you can change the channel, laugh at the lawn ...) shut the fark up.


You'd rather they sit around counting complaints until they hit a magic number (determined by you) before they act? That's not how law enforcement works, fortunately.
 
2014-07-18 06:47:20 AM  

Day_Old_Dutchie: JonnyBGoode: So not watering your lawn gets you a $500 fine from the city. But watering your lawn gets you a $500 fine from the state.

[www.batonrougeliving.org image 450x278]

Yet another reason to refer to the absolutely useless politicians politicians as "overpaid seat warmers"

Remember though, these wastes of oxygen CAN be removed. You just have to wait for the next municipal elections and let the dumb ass know WHY you are kicking them out.when he comes knocking at your door looking for your support.  Keep a scrapbook of clippings of their exploits from the local paper (or it's electronic equivalent) at hand for this purpose. Nothing is more satisfying than watching one of these retrogrades squirm in his/her suit!

A bit of public humiliation can work wonders too, especially when getting the press involved, too, but some of these guys especially the old traditional ones are stubborn as mules about it,


The Glendora City Manager who started this mess, Chris Jeffers, isn't an elected official. Like all City Managers he's appointed by the City Council and is in charge of the day-to-day operation of the city. Just sayin'.
 
2014-07-18 07:17:35 AM  

ongbok: Isn't this type of stuff the real reason for the lack of water, and not really because of lack of rainfall? When I say that I mean because of all of these new communities that have sprouted up over the last 20 or so years that have rules requiring green lawns in places where green lawns aren't natural, putting a strain on an already naturally limited water supply. Plus more people moving in taxing the limited water supply, and farming in the north. Isn't the situation out there less of a drought and more of an overuse of an already scarce resource situation? Just like what is going on in Texas.


When I lived in Colorado, I remember reading somewhere that 85% of the water used was for agriculture, and about 85% of that water is wasted through flood irrigation.Spot irrigation (those spider-like contraptions you see on farms) could solve the water issues, but most farmers can't afford them.

When I lived there during the drought that took place around 2000, the utility company was pushing xeriscape. They even have a demo garden.
http://www.csu.org/pages/demonstration-garden.aspx
 
2014-07-18 07:19:33 AM  

nytmare: Langdon_777: Why does it ever only take ONE!!!! complaint?

Seems like the whingers/nosey-farks get to cause a lot of pain with one phone call or email, and yet most normal people would not give a fark.

Psst not everything that happens in your life is meant to make you happy, some things are meant to make other's happy and not you.  So unless it DIRECTLY effects you (you can change the channel, laugh at the lawn ...) shut the fark up.

You'd rather they sit around counting complaints until they hit a magic number (determined by you) before they act? That's not how law enforcement works, fortunately.


No, but this is what discretion is for.

"Hey boss, we got a complaint about a brown lawn. What should I do?"
"Roll a truck by the property to make sure it's not abandoned. Otherwise, it's a drought, don't do anything."

See? Complaint taken seriously and still nothing stupid occurs. Amazing.
 
2014-07-18 07:28:23 AM  

ChubbyTiger: See? Complaint taken seriously and still nothing stupid occurs. Amazing.


Don't you get it? Rules are Rules! If you start using discretion with one silly rule, before you know it we're living in Somalia!

/what some people seem to act like is true
 
2014-07-18 07:43:13 AM  
Yesterday there was a thread about the 10 scariest states to live in and California was on it, although it didn't cite any specific reason.  I wrote that maybe the cause was catastrophic earthquakes, but now I'm thinking it might be catastrophic stupidity.
 
2014-07-18 07:43:57 AM  
Gyrfalcon:
This wasn't an HOA.
It was the City Manager. The CITY. It was the CITY GOVERNMENT being stupid and intractable, isn't that awesome?


----- I was totally predicting this from HOA's as well though....
 
2014-07-18 07:44:33 AM  
Astro-Turf!  For the greenest, brightest lawn in your development.


img.fark.net

 
2014-07-18 08:00:25 AM  
Welp, California, here you go....

www.jamesaltucher.com
 
2014-07-18 08:06:00 AM  
Forget it, Jake. It's Liberal Town.
 
2014-07-18 08:34:36 AM  
What can Brown do for you?

Get you a fine in Glendora, CA.
 
2014-07-18 08:37:13 AM  
 
2014-07-18 08:41:06 AM  
You are REQUIRED by law to break one law to comply with another.

I'm SO GLAD to NOT live in California.

/ can water my lawn anytime I want
// no law ordinance here
/// I do not have to pass Smog Check either despite disconnecting and rendering inoperative all emission controls from my truck
/// HA!!
 
2014-07-18 08:51:10 AM  

robohobo: How was it proven such folks hadn't collected rainwater, or had to money to buy 55 gallon drums of water, or get a water truck for the express purpose of watering their lawn? Was it a SF thing? There had to have been folk with money who found it worth their dollars to have green lawns.



In some places, it's illegal to collect rainwater, even if it falls on your property.  It must go into the ground (e.g., in order to recharge an aquifer).
 
2014-07-18 08:53:13 AM  
Crews visited and determined it was not abandoned, but not kept.

So they gave their lawn away?

/"journalism"
 
2014-07-18 09:09:02 AM  
fb101.com

Problem solved.

Of course I generally prefer to have Juan use a finer quality water on my lawn, such as Fillico, but I caught him drinking out of the bottle one day instead of the hose, and I'll be damned if I am gonna let the help waste good water like that. So with the Voss, I still get decent quality lawn-water, but it's not so bad to see it get drunk by the likes of the immigrant who does my landscapping.
 
2014-07-18 09:17:30 AM  

JonnyBGoode: So not watering your lawn gets you a $500 fine from the city. But watering your lawn gets you a $500 fine from the state.

[www.batonrougeliving.org image 450x278]


The problem is easily solved with 5.56, .223 or 7.62
 
2014-07-18 09:20:35 AM  

Frizbone: You are REQUIRED by law to break one law to comply with another.

I'm SO GLAD to NOT live in California.

/ can water my lawn anytime I want
// no law ordinance here
/// I do not have to pass Smog Check either despite disconnecting and rendering inoperative all emission controls from my truck
/// HA!!


Did you really just admit breaking federal law on here?

/I could legally put water on my lawn if I wanted to.
//I'd rather it turn brown, then I wouldn't have to mow it.
///It won't.  It rains too much here.
 
2014-07-18 09:33:42 AM  
This issue pops up from time to time here in Floriduh. It usually involves a Homeowners association. There's a drought, water restrictions are in place, and the association wants to start fining and getting all Hitler on some poor guy that has brown patches in his lawn. What irks me the most is that businesses are usually exempt. People get fined for washing their car, yet Jumbo-corp runs it's sprinklers when it rains.

/loves my non deed restricted little subdivision.
 
2014-07-18 09:33:47 AM  
You can still have a greedy water sucking lawn in CA?
WTF?
Let 'em bake in their own stupid juices.
 
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