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2014-07-17 07:51:20 PM  
Or perhaps those with mental problems, including the kind that may lead to suicide, are more likely to self-medicate with nicotine than those without mental problems.
 
2014-07-17 08:02:37 PM  
Anoia smokes. 1st Amendment says I can smoke, too.

www.discworldstampcatalogue.co.uk
 
2014-07-17 08:03:07 PM  
Aren't all smokers trying to commit suicide, just really slowly?
 
2014-07-17 08:16:53 PM  
"The numbers show it clearly does something." said Professor Grucza.

Oblig:
imgs.xkcd.com
 
2014-07-17 08:57:56 PM  

timujin: Aren't all smokers trying to commit suicide, just really slowly?


Yes.

And the mental health problems are obvious with electronic cigarette users too.

Just ask them to quit.
 
2014-07-17 08:59:44 PM  
 
433 [TotalFark]
2014-07-17 09:02:12 PM  

Sid_6.7: Or perhaps those with mental problems, including the kind that may lead to suicide, are more likely to self-medicate with nicotine than those without mental problems.


Smoking rates among schizophrenics is as as high as 80% in the US.  I could not quickly find a number for suicide rates among those with schizophrenia, but a quick search found numbers from 10 to 15%.

It is not known why smoking rates among those diagnosed with schizophrenia are so high.  Or, at least, to me, it is not.  There may be some new information out there I haven't read.

As for other personality disorders, and also for other mental illnesses, I do not know, but I am almost certain that some usable data is out there.
 
2014-07-17 09:52:18 PM  
"...researchers discovered that suicide rates dropped by up to 15% compared to the national average in states that had seen a drop in the number of of smokers..."

That's pretty glaring.

Not that I'm going to quit tomorrow or anything. But if I were a psychiatrist with a patient who had self-harming impulses, I would probably strongly urge them to give up the coffin nails.
 
2014-07-17 09:54:02 PM  
Good.
 
2014-07-17 09:58:10 PM  

433: It is not known why smoking rates among those diagnosed with schizophrenia are so high.


Nicotine is a vascular constrictor, so it decreases blood flow.  Maybe smoking cigarettes keeps the dogs from barking so loudly in their heads.
 
433 [TotalFark]
2014-07-17 10:01:49 PM  

ginandbacon: But if I were a psychiatrist with a patient who had self-harming impulses, I would probably strongly urge them to give up the coffin nails.


Cigarette smoking also interferes with the actions of some medications.  The best example of negative action against a medication through cigarette smoking are the atypical antipsychotics.  They become less effective, requiring higher doses to be as effective.  Strangely, as I mentioned before, many persons prescribed these drugs also have higher rates of cigarette smoking.  Atypicals are given for more conditions than schizophrenia, some include Post Traumatic Stress Disorder, Major Depressive Disorder, Unipolar Depression, Bipolar Disorder, and while I do not have a reference at hand, I would expect also Borderline Personality Disorder.  Atypicals are not given to these conditions across the board, of course.  Also, I do not have a reference on the rates of cigarette smoking available for the conditions I mentioned above.

Certainly, if a patient can do without, then smoking cessation is recommended.  Note that all patients can do without, but that for some, cessation is more difficult.  Of course, quitting cigarettes is always difficult...
 
2014-07-17 10:37:53 PM  

433: ginandbacon: But if I were a psychiatrist with a patient who had self-harming impulses, I would probably strongly urge them to give up the coffin nails.

Cigarette smoking also interferes with the actions of some medications.  The best example of negative action against a medication through cigarette smoking are the atypical antipsychotics.  They become less effective, requiring higher doses to be as effective.  Strangely, as I mentioned before, many persons prescribed these drugs also have higher rates of cigarette smoking.  Atypicals are given for more conditions than schizophrenia, some include Post Traumatic Stress Disorder, Major Depressive Disorder, Unipolar Depression, Bipolar Disorder, and while I do not have a reference at hand, I would expect also Borderline Personality Disorder.  Atypicals are not given to these conditions across the board, of course.  Also, I do not have a reference on the rates of cigarette smoking available for the conditions I mentioned above.

Certainly, if a patient can do without, then smoking cessation is recommended.  Note that all patients can do without, but that for some, cessation is more difficult.  Of course, quitting cigarettes is always difficult...


You sound very knowledgeable and very careful. I think if someone i loved suffered from any of those conditions, I would like to see them treated by someone like you.

Quitting really does suck, BTW.
 
2014-07-17 10:57:46 PM  

ginandbacon: 433: ginandbacon: But if I were a psychiatrist with a patient who had self-harming impulses, I would probably strongly urge them to give up the coffin nails.

Cigarette smoking also interferes with the actions of some medications.  The best example of negative action against a medication through cigarette smoking are the atypical antipsychotics.  They become less effective, requiring higher doses to be as effective.  Strangely, as I mentioned before, many persons prescribed these drugs also have higher rates of cigarette smoking.  Atypicals are given for more conditions than schizophrenia, some include Post Traumatic Stress Disorder, Major Depressive Disorder, Unipolar Depression, Bipolar Disorder, and while I do not have a reference at hand, I would expect also Borderline Personality Disorder.  Atypicals are not given to these conditions across the board, of course.  Also, I do not have a reference on the rates of cigarette smoking available for the conditions I mentioned above.

Certainly, if a patient can do without, then smoking cessation is recommended.  Note that all patients can do without, but that for some, cessation is more difficult.  Of course, quitting cigarettes is always difficult...

You sound very knowledgeable and very careful. I think if someone i loved suffered from any of those conditions, I would like to see them treated by someone like you.

Quitting really does suck, BTW.


Quitting is easy.  I've done it at least 10 times.
 
2014-07-17 11:04:43 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: I've done it at least 10 times.


Amateur.

;)
 
2014-07-17 11:13:55 PM  
good_grumpy_cat.jpg
 
2014-07-17 11:14:32 PM  
I quit on Monday. Fark you all!
 
2014-07-17 11:15:10 PM  
I'd probably commit suicide too if I had terminal lung cancer.

Why wither away in pain?
 
2014-07-17 11:17:05 PM  

bdub77: "The numbers show it clearly does something." said Professor Grucza.

Oblig:
[imgs.xkcd.com image 459x185]


Yup.

What the numbers show is that you probably shouldn't be fishing for correlations in your data without some sort of theoretic rationale, Professor.
 
2014-07-17 11:18:07 PM  

Giltric: I'd probably commit suicide too if I had terminal lung cancer.

Why wither away in pain?


Because Jesus!
 
2014-07-17 11:18:32 PM  
These smoking studies really do a disservice to those of us who are just addicted to nicotine.

I need to know if my lozenges will make me kill myself, since stopping them makes me want to kill myself.
 
2014-07-17 11:19:12 PM  
I would rather kill myself than pay $10 a pack here in Seattle.
 
2014-07-17 11:20:38 PM  

Danger Avoid Death: Giltric: I'd probably commit suicide too if I had terminal lung cancer.

Why wither away in pain?

Because Jesus!


LOL you had me going there.

for a minute I thought I was 12 and this was reddit.
 
2014-07-17 11:22:26 PM  
Today will be my quit day.
 
2014-07-17 11:24:54 PM  
I quit smoking almost a year ago. I'd forgotten what it was like to wake up in the morning without coughing half a lung up. It wasn't easy, but it was worth it.
 
2014-07-17 11:26:48 PM  

ginandbacon: "...researchers discovered that suicide rates dropped by up to 15% compared to the national average in states that had seen a drop in the number of of smokers..."

That's pretty glaring.


without noting the decline in those states and taking into account a billion other factors the only thing that is glaring is the idiocy of the statement tfa is trying to make
 
2014-07-17 11:31:35 PM  
Maybe they're depressed because burning plant material increases their carbon mouth print.
 
2014-07-17 11:34:45 PM  
Good. Less people to piss me off.
 
2014-07-17 11:35:56 PM  

PC LOAD LETTER: Good. Less people to piss me off.


Um, fewer.
Yes, grammar nazi.
 
2014-07-17 11:36:39 PM  
So many numbers floating around. I'll just grab a couple and see how they look together.
 
2014-07-17 11:37:55 PM  
I think it's more likely that being suicidal causes an urge to smoke.
 
2014-07-17 11:39:08 PM  
when?

I've been smoking almost 25 years. when can I be done?
 
2014-07-17 11:39:16 PM  
i299.photobucket.com
 
2014-07-17 11:39:43 PM  

AirForceVet: timujin: Aren't all smokers trying to commit suicide, just really slowly?

Yes.

And the mental health problems are obvious with electronic cigarette users too. Just ask them to quit.


I quit smoking on April 4, 2000. It was painful, by the way, even with 3 months of nicotine patches and the love of a good woman.

Quitting didn't make me sane.


Lsherm: 433: It is not known why smoking rates among those diagnosed with schizophrenia are so high.

Nicotine is a vascular constrictor, so it decreases blood flow.  Maybe smoking cigarettes keeps the dogs from barking so loudly in their heads.


The little voices tell me this is bullshiat. It's just that they eventually quit barking at me that "It's time to smoke a cigarette!"


ginandbacon: "...researchers discovered that suicide rates dropped by up to 15% compared to the national average in states that had seen a drop in the number of of smokers..."

That's pretty glaring.

Not that I'm going to quit tomorrow or anything. But if I were a psychiatrist with a patient who had self-harming impulses, I would probably strongly urge them to give up the coffin nails.


No no no. As every shrink has explained to me about "duty to report" and even (30-odd years ago) about informing my juvenile probation officer about illegal activity, any psychiatrist is also a member of society, a citizen of one's nation-state, a human being, etc., and must also consider the applicable collective interests. In this case there are a few billion too many people on Earth already and the population has kept increasing at a historically amazing rate, so those adults who volunteer to die should be encouraged to do so, preferably without reproducing first.

Face it, most of us are totally superfluous at best. And each of us just by staying alive contributes to the heat death of the Universe. As for me, I justify my longevity by claiming that the world needs people to point out the obvious, that I'm doing my job as a prophet against doom, and that I've supplied enough information here about myself so that a dedicated population-reducer could easily hunt me down and kill me.

Anyway. One good thing about quitting smoking is it freed up a few hundred bucks a month for other things, like DSL and booze. HUZZAH!
 
433 [TotalFark]
2014-07-17 11:44:34 PM  

The One True TheDavid: Lsherm: 433: It is not known why smoking rates among those diagnosed with schizophrenia are so high.

Nicotine is a vascular constrictor, so it decreases blood flow. Maybe smoking cigarettes keeps the dogs from barking so loudly in their heads.

The little voices tell me this is bullshiat. It's just that they eventually quit barking at me that "It's time to smoke a cigarette!"


Oh, hey, buddy!  Yeah, I don't think the responder to my post was being serious, of course, and the joke rather missed the mark.  Still, between you and me, I don't know why I feel compelled to smoke.  I was able to put the smokes down for longer periods of time and with greater ease before the full, uh, before it all set in, in full.  I can recognize the calls to smoke from addiction, but I don't know what it is about my PD that just seems to compel me to smoke.  I just need it.
 
2014-07-17 11:49:33 PM  

rkiller1: PC LOAD LETTER: Good. Less people to piss me off.

Um, fewer.
Yes, grammar nazi.


Indeed, I should commit seppuku since I am also one. Then again, I drank very heavily last night and am still hung over, so there's that. Nah, I'm a tard, I won't able un-english.
 
2014-07-17 11:53:32 PM  

Jaden Smith First of His Name: These smoking studies really do a disservice to those of us who are just addicted to nicotine.

I need to know if my lozenges will make me kill myself, since stopping them makes me want to kill myself.


THIS.  The Nicorette ones were better but are unavailable. I thought being forced on the generic brand would help me quit but nicotine is nicotine.
 
2014-07-17 11:55:47 PM  

AirForceVet: timujin: Aren't all smokers trying to commit suicide, just really slowly?

Yes.

And the mental health problems are obvious with electronic cigarette users too.

Just ask them to quit.


E-cigs are incredible, why quit?
 
2014-07-17 11:55:58 PM  

PC LOAD LETTER: rkiller1: PC LOAD LETTER:

Good. Less people to piss me off.

Um, fewer.
Yes, grammar nazi.

Indeed, I should commit seppuku since I am also one. Then again, I drank very heavily last night and am still hung over, so there's that.


At 11:49:33 PM? Are you in a very different time zone from me or are you just, you know, gifted?

My hangovers, when I get them, are usually done say 12 hours after I'm finished drinking for the night. Even if it shades into a puking head-throbbing migraine, which often happens, there are $4 generic triptans that fix that.


Nah, I'm a tard, I won't able un-english.

GMTA!
 
2014-07-17 11:56:47 PM  
Cigarette smoke smells good. Like, really good. I can't imagine how a smoker can go a few hours without wanting to give in and light up one of those cool, refreshing smokes.
 
2014-07-17 11:56:50 PM  
easyquitsystem.com
 
2014-07-17 11:57:46 PM  
Look, I agree that tobacco is bad for you. I agree it is directly related to a host of illnesses. However, I do not agree that it is responsible for all of the incredible amount of conditions and diseases that have been blamed on it.

BTW. Pot is being legalized -- but no one has yet mentioned the research that pointed out it leaves twice as much residue as tobacco does and it also contains carcinogens and heavy use can cause COPD.

But, they will. Just wait for it.

I'm just tired of tobacco being blamed for nearly every illness in the world. I don't think I can recall any known toxin which causes as many diseases as Tobacco is blamed for. By this 'research', tobacco fields should be considered Toxic Waste Fields and no one should be allowed to live within 10 miles of them.

As for e-smokes, it was just a matter of time before 'rumors' started flying about the health hazards with them because anti-smokers are terrified their use might delay the eradication of tobacco. Plus, like alcoholics, ex-smokers can't stand being around anything which reminds them of the pleasures of their previous lascivious habit because they might just start using again.

I consider the trend of Vapping alcohol to be a lot more dangerous than smoking an electronic cigarette -- yet it's still popular. It's only a matter of time before someone decides to put flavorings in the booze. Usually they'll start with something like real cherry juice or bitters, neither of which will react well with the delicate lung tissue already inflamed by vaporized alcohol.

Walking down the street of any of the major cities in the US means you breath in enough toxins to more than equal a pack of smokes -- but that's OK. Diesel fumes are good for you along with car exhaust, tons of airborne grease partials from hundreds of fast food places and the release of gaseous waste from industrial complexes. Not to mention thousands of pounds of tire dust and the venting of toxic fumes from places that use a lot of fiberglass, resin and similar chemicals.
 
2014-07-17 11:58:41 PM  

PC LOAD LETTER: rkiller1: PC LOAD LETTER: Good. Less people to piss me off.

Um, fewer.
Yes, grammar nazi.

Indeed, I should commit seppuku since I am also one. Then again, I drank very heavily last night and am still hung over, so there's that. Nah, I'm a tard, I won't able un-english.


Take two Strunk & Whites for that nagging headache and crapulent malaise, and you'll perk right back up, my gramarian pal.  Peace.
 
2014-07-18 12:01:25 AM  
It's been close to 20 years since I quit cold turkey from a pack a day habit.  The first month or so was pure hell because there wasn't a day I didn't have the craving to stick a smoke in my mouth and light up.  But I resisted and slowly, over a period of about a year, the craving diminished and finally went away.  Food tastes better, the house and car no longer smell, I physically feel great every day and my annual check ups haven't revealed any lingering effects of my smoking.  I also am glad I don't have to deal with the increased monetary costs of smoking.  I think I was paying just under $2 a pack back in 1995 and, from what I've heard, you have to pay somewhere between six and seven bucks a pack today.
 
2014-07-18 12:04:57 AM  

89 Stick-Up Kid: I would rather kill myself than pay $10 a pack here in Seattle.


they only cost about a buck a pack where i live. 80 cents....
 
2014-07-18 12:06:53 AM  
Nicotine is the dumbest drug ever. It doesn't do anything but temporarily make you quit craving nicotine. Very temporarily.
 
2014-07-18 12:08:53 AM  
some_beer_drinker:

they only cost about a buck a pack where i live. 80 cents....

But that's still money that could be better spent on the nectar of the gods, vodak.
 
2014-07-18 12:11:06 AM  
f.bilgibende.com
 
2014-07-18 12:11:37 AM  

Sid_6.7: Or perhaps those with mental problems, including the kind that may lead to suicide, are more likely to self-medicate with nicotine than those without mental problems.


And a winner in one!

This has been studied before, and is in fact what's happening here.
 
2014-07-18 12:14:40 AM  

azmoviez: THIS. The Nicorette ones were better but are unavailable. I thought being forced on the generic brand would help me quit but nicotine is nicotine.


Anything is better than the patch, I guess. When I tried that, I had to do like a Kramer belt of them so that I didn't want to either murder the person in front of me or sob on their shoulder.
 
2014-07-18 12:15:40 AM  

433: The One True TheDavid: Lsherm: 433: It is not known why smoking rates among those diagnosed with schizophrenia are so high.

Nicotine is a vascular constrictor, so it decreases blood flow. Maybe smoking cigarettes keeps the dogs from barking so loudly in their heads.

The little voices tell me this is bullshiat. It's just that they eventually quit barking at me that "It's time to smoke a cigarette!"

Oh, hey, buddy!  Yeah, I don't think the responder to my post was being serious, of course, and the joke rather missed the mark.  Still, between you and me, I don't know why I feel compelled to smoke.  I was able to put the smokes down for longer periods of time and with greater ease before the full, uh, before it all set in, in full.  I can recognize the calls to smoke from addiction, but I don't know what it is about my PD that just seems to compel me to smoke.  I just need it.


It was actually just a Lewis Black joke.  I should have referenced the horse responsible for my college education.
 
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