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(Yahoo)   Bank robbers: We're going to use these hostages as human shields. Police: Challenge accepted   (news.yahoo.com) divider line 191
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2014-07-17 02:40:50 PM  
Pop quiz hot shot
 
2014-07-17 03:03:30 PM  
Shoot the hostage.

Then go to the hostage's home and shoot their dog.
 
2014-07-17 03:04:05 PM  
I hope this is the wake-up call for America that the police are NOT Seal Team 6 and they need to stop this gung-ho bullshiat.
 
2014-07-17 03:04:28 PM  
well we're done here.  everyone knows you shoot the hostage...
 
2014-07-17 03:04:57 PM  

nitefallz: I hope this is the wake-up call for America that the police are NOT Seal Team 6 and they need to stop this gung-ho bullshiat.


hear hear.
 
2014-07-17 03:05:17 PM  

3 dead in California bank robbery, gunbattle


When did "gun battle" become a single word?
 
2014-07-17 03:06:02 PM  
Throw Hostage from the Car is the sequel to Throw Momma from the Train.
 
2014-07-17 03:06:17 PM  

nitefallz: I hope this is the wake-up call for America that the police are NOT Seal Team 6 and they need to stop this gung-ho bullshiat.


all that spare military equipment isn't going to use itself now is it?  might as well give it to the doughnut patrol.  what's the worst that happens?  they kill grandma...
 
2014-07-17 03:07:32 PM  
GTA is fun and all unless it's happening on your street.
 
2014-07-17 03:07:42 PM  

SpdrJay: Shoot the hostage.

Then go to the hostage's home and shoot their dog.


Then don't forget to throw a flash grenade into their baby's crib.
 
2014-07-17 03:08:25 PM  

Englebert Slaptyback: 3 dead in California bank robbery, gunbattle


When did "gun battle" become a single word?


Maybe the news report was filed by old-timey telegram?
 
2014-07-17 03:08:48 PM  

nitefallz: I hope this is the wake-up call for America that the police are NOT Seal Team 6 and they need to stop this gung-ho bullshiat.


'And then Goldilocks said, "This porridge Is just right!," and ate it all.'

It ain't gonna happen, my friend.
 
2014-07-17 03:08:51 PM  
Done in one.
 
2014-07-17 03:10:20 PM  
www.okmoviequotes.com
 
2014-07-17 03:11:36 PM  
Of course the police will say the dead hostage was being used as a shield. It's not like they are going to admit they indiscriminately unloaded 100+ rounds into the SUV, which based on past incidents is most likely what happened.
 
2014-07-17 03:11:52 PM  
Someone is about to win the California lottery.
 
2014-07-17 03:11:55 PM  
Disarm the citizens, only the government can keep you safe. No need for an assault rifle. These boys were changing their lives around.
 
2014-07-17 03:12:01 PM  

nitefallz: I hope this is the wake-up call for America that the police are NOT Seal Team 6 and they need to stop this gung-ho bullshiat.


So what should they have done in this situation?

Was it wrong to give chase?

Was it wrong to return fire?

It's sad that an innocent person died, but I'm going to blame the criminals in this case even if the bullet that killed her came from a cop's gun.
 
2014-07-17 03:12:05 PM  

nitefallz: I hope this is the wake-up call for America that the police are NOT Seal Team 6 and they need to stop this gung-ho bullshiat.


Yeah, except two of the hostages were shot in the car and tossed out before the gun battle.

Sorry, I'm as libby as it gets but this time the police were facing crazy gangers with full automatic weapons.

They choose to shoot it out. They lost.
If anything this is a call for moar police equipment, not less.
 
2014-07-17 03:12:30 PM  
Collateral damage.
 
2014-07-17 03:14:01 PM  
Wow.  Not often you could say that being thrown from a moving car makes you one of the lucky ones.
 
2014-07-17 03:14:11 PM  
Holy shiat, next time just let them have the cash you farking idiots.
 
2014-07-17 03:14:30 PM  

SigmaAlgebra: Of course the police will say the dead hostage was being used as a shield. It's not like they are going to admit they indiscriminately unloaded 100+ rounds into the SUV, which based on past incidents is most likely what happened.


Based on their usual aim, the cops needed to unload 100+ rounds at the SUV, just so they could hit it four or five times.
 
2014-07-17 03:16:46 PM  
"Yes. Well, when I see 5 weirdos dressed in togas stabbing a guy in the middle of the park in full view of 100 people, I shoot the bastards. That's *my* policy."

i.imgur.com
different scene but better pic
 
2014-07-17 03:16:59 PM  

tinyarena: nitefallz: I hope this is the wake-up call for America that the police are NOT Seal Team 6 and they need to stop this gung-ho bullshiat.

Yeah, except two of the hostages were shot in the car and tossed out before the gun battle.

Sorry, I'm as libby as it gets but this time the police were facing crazy gangers with full automatic weapons.

They choose to shoot it out. They lost.
If anything this is a call for moar police equipment, not less.


um they could have followed or whatever but engaging in a gun battle when they have hostages is kind of a bad play regardless. And the people thrown from the vehicle could have just as easily been shot by the police. The criminals could have thrown them from the vehicle for bleeding all over the place or even to "help" them.

If Im stuck in a car with criminals and I cant get cover I would hope the police would attempt to save my life instead of throwing lead and just saying too bad
 
2014-07-17 03:17:03 PM  
Look, I'm all for second guessing, and armchair quarterbacking police raids/confrontations, and I know fark hates cops, but this really sounds like a loose loose situation. You can't just let them get away with the hostages, and it sounds like this was the only other possible response.
 
2014-07-17 03:17:05 PM  
gfid: nitefallz: I hope this is the wake-up call for America that the police are NOT Seal Team 6 and they need to stop this gung-ho bullshiat.

So what should they have done in this situation?

Was it wrong to give chase? With cars?  Yes.  How bout a heli that follows so they don't get away.

Was it wrong to return fire? With a hostage in the car, YES.

It's sad that an innocent person died, but I'm going to blame the criminals in this case even if the bullet that killed her came from a cop's gun. Why not both?
 
2014-07-17 03:17:08 PM  

tinyarena: nitefallz: I hope this is the wake-up call for America that the police are NOT Seal Team 6 and they need to stop this gung-ho bullshiat.

Yeah, except two of the hostages were shot in the car and tossed out before the gun battle.

Sorry, I'm as libby as it gets but this time the police were facing crazy gangers with full automatic weapons.

They choose to shoot it out. They lost.
If anything this is a call for moar police equipment, not less.


where did it say these were fully automatic weapons? The police could disengage and follow at a distance instead of blasting into a car full of innocent civilians. Yes, I'd much rather risk these criminals getting away with fully insured money than allow a bunch of bystanders getting ventilated. I wouldn't be shocked if you told me you don't want citizens with concealed weapons permits because you fear the devastating collateral damage they could cause.
 
2014-07-17 03:17:51 PM  
"I need my Payday 2." - The Dentist.
 
2014-07-17 03:19:08 PM  
img.fark.net
This is why we need phasers, you can set them to STUN, so you know, you can take everyone alive.
 
2014-07-17 03:19:36 PM  

PawisBetlog: gfid: nitefallz: I hope this is the wake-up call for America that the police are NOT Seal Team 6 and they need to stop this gung-ho bullshiat.

So what should they have done in this situation?

Was it wrong to give chase? With cars?  Yes.  How bout a heli that follows so they don't get away.

Was it wrong to return fire? With a hostage in the car, YES.

It's sad that an innocent person died, but I'm going to blame the criminals in this case even if the bullet that killed her came from a cop's gun. Why not both?


the guns are to blame. Ban guns.
 
2014-07-17 03:20:30 PM  
Heard on the radio the robbers were supposedly Cuernos.
 
2014-07-17 03:20:39 PM  
Thank god California bans assault weapons
 
2014-07-17 03:21:23 PM  
...and you just know the police will ticket the SUV for parking illegally, and cite the bank employee owner for vehicle abandonment, littering. Let's see him try and explain this to his insurance company, too.
 
2014-07-17 03:22:07 PM  
What a horrible situation for those poor ladies. The lucky ones got pitched out of the stolen suv, the one remaining was either shot and killed by police during the exchange of gunfire. And what a horrible situation for the police, you KNOW there is another hostage in there, but the robbers are shooting AK fire everywhere, and you have to defend yourself and the general pubic. At least this time the police had the right firearms to take them down, not like the time in Cali. Cant wait for the youtube posting of the dash cams. Would probably get a bit more insight as to how things went down.

And you know it will happen, the department will get sued not only by the husband of the poor lady that got killed, but the dead robbers. Too bad the lady got killed, but it wasn't the cops fault, the robbers put her in that situation, and it looked and sounded like the police didn't have much choice in returning fire. I feel for her family. Wrong place at the wrong time.
 
2014-07-17 03:23:00 PM  
When did law enforcement in this country hitch itself to the military concept of collateral damage?

Have the police become so militant that they're immune to answering for the loss of innocent life in much the same way as military leaders?
 
2014-07-17 03:24:14 PM  

Agent Smiths Laugh: When did law enforcement in this country hitch itself to the military concept of collateral damage?

Have the police become so militant that they're immune to answering for the loss of innocent life in much the same way as military leaders?


.......yes?

Why is this a question?
 
2014-07-17 03:24:46 PM  
I was at Thornton and Wagner Heights when the SUV finally stopped. It wouldn't surprise me if there were 200 to 300 shots fired. I'm amazed and happy no officers were hurt in that hour-long pursuit. It's surprising that the hostages were the only civilians hurt. There was the potential for this to have been much worse. Good work, SPD.
 
2014-07-17 03:25:03 PM  
More and more departments are following a "no chase" policy because it saves lives.    Of course, this is all precipitated by some thugs who got what's coming to them, but this was a total fark up on the police side, and someone's feet needs to feel the fire.   No one should be saying its's an easy job to do or a safe job, but there are ways to handle this that are proven to work better.
 
2014-07-17 03:25:05 PM  
All three hostages were hit by police bullets.  One was killed by police bullets.  The police knew that they were hostages.  It seems like this was far from the optimal way to handle this.
 
2014-07-17 03:25:09 PM  

nitefallz: I hope this is the wake-up call for America that the police are NOT Seal Team 6 and they need to stop this gung-ho bullshiat.


I wouldn't count on it, but it's nice to be optimistic.
 
2014-07-17 03:25:58 PM  

nitefallz: I hope this is the wake-up call for America that the police are NOT Seal Team 6 and they need to stop this gung-ho bullshiat.


Bingo!
What the hell are the cops doing? Shooting into a vehicle that has 1-3 hostages in it is totally unacceptable, and they did know how many hostages there were in the vehicle at any time. Hang back and follow them, they aren't going to get away, especially with a helicopter or two watching. Let them run out of gas, then call in SWAT and a hostage negotiation team. You remember those?

Farking unbelievable! I highly suspect they'll never determine who actually shot the hostages (all 3 were wounded), but meanwhile the cops got their rocks off. This is getting really bad...
 
2014-07-17 03:28:25 PM  

WhiskeySticks: Heard on the radio the robbers were supposedly Cuernos.


Animal horns? Not being a smartass, just never heard this term. Assuming this is a gang name? Anyone? Beuller?
 
2014-07-17 03:28:27 PM  

gfid: nitefallz: I hope this is the wake-up call for America that the police are NOT Seal Team 6 and they need to stop this gung-ho bullshiat.

So what should they have done in this situation?

Was it wrong to give chase?

Was it wrong to return fire?

It's sad that an innocent person died, but I'm going to blame the criminals in this case even if the bullet that killed her came from a cop's gun.


/I'm with you.  The criminals started this fight, and the police aren't obligated to let them go free just because they are holding a hostage.  They were dead the minute they started shooting at the cops.  And THEY, not the police are responsible for her death.  i don't care if it was a cops round that killed her, if it wasn't for the bad guys robbing the bank and taking her hostage, she would have been home now with her family.  But you know the fark trolls, no matter what anyone does, it's always the cops fault.
 
2014-07-17 03:28:54 PM  

Infernalist: Agent Smiths Laugh: When did law enforcement in this country hitch itself to the military concept of collateral damage?

Have the police become so militant that they're immune to answering for the loss of innocent life in much the same way as military leaders?

.......yes?

Why is this a question?


I'll admit it was rhetorical.
 
2014-07-17 03:29:25 PM  
Police are under no obligation to protect you or try to keep you alive.

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/28/politics/28scotus.html?_r=0

I dont know why you cant get it through your thick heads. The America you knew from the 80's is long farking gone.
 
2014-07-17 03:29:37 PM  

Agent Smiths Laugh: When did law enforcement in this country hitch itself to the military concept of collateral damage?


Forever.   Check out the Bonus Army and Douglas MacArthur.
 
2014-07-17 03:30:04 PM  

Bit'O'Gristle: gfid: nitefallz: I hope this is the wake-up call for America that the police are NOT Seal Team 6 and they need to stop this gung-ho bullshiat.

So what should they have done in this situation?

Was it wrong to give chase?

Was it wrong to return fire?

It's sad that an innocent person died, but I'm going to blame the criminals in this case even if the bullet that killed her came from a cop's gun.

/I'm with you.  The criminals started this fight, and the police aren't obligated to let them go free just because they are holding a hostage.  They were dead the minute they started shooting at the cops.  And THEY, not the police are responsible for her death.  i don't care if it was a cops round that killed her, if it wasn't for the bad guys robbing the bank and taking her hostage, she would have been home now with her family.  But you know the fark trolls, no matter what anyone does, it's always the cops fault.


You are the problem.
 
2014-07-17 03:31:18 PM  

Bit'O'Gristle: gung ho bullshiat


Gung ho in Chinese means 'strive for harmony.'

This has been your free clue of the day.
 
2014-07-17 03:31:30 PM  

Bit'O'Gristle: gfid: nitefallz: I hope this is the wake-up call for America that the police are NOT Seal Team 6 and they need to stop this gung-ho bullshiat.

So what should they have done in this situation?

Was it wrong to give chase?

Was it wrong to return fire?

It's sad that an innocent person died, but I'm going to blame the criminals in this case even if the bullet that killed her came from a cop's gun.

/I'm with you.  The criminals started this fight, and the police aren't obligated to let them go free just because they are holding a hostage.  They were dead the minute they started shooting at the cops.  And THEY, not the police are responsible for her death.  i don't care if it was a cops round that killed her, if it wasn't for the bad guys robbing the bank and taking her hostage, she would have been home now with her family.  But you know the fark trolls, no matter what anyone does, it's always the cops fault.


You don't think it's possible the police could have fallen back out of the line of fire, tracked the vehicle by helicopter until they went to ground and then called in a hostage negotiator to try to resolve the issue without loss of life?
 
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