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2014-07-17 11:36:45 AM  
Not unlike teacher's, the favorites seem to be the ones from the past, never the present.
 
2014-07-17 12:07:17 PM  
Looking at that Quinnipac poll through the eyes of history without factoring in the grim reality of the increasingly propaganda driven media of today was that guy's first mistake.
 
2014-07-17 02:39:47 PM  
Harry Truman was a stupid piece of shiat.

There, I said it.
 
2014-07-17 02:39:53 PM  

quatchi: Looking at that Quinnipac poll through the eyes of history without factoring in the grim reality of the increasingly propaganda driven media of today was that guy's first mistake.


All that Quinnipiac poll says is that roughly 35% of the country worship Reagan and despise Obama. Coincidentally, that's roughly the same percentage who approved of George W.'s job performance through the end of his second term.
 
2014-07-17 02:42:01 PM  
most of the corporate/wealthy owned CONgress is against Obama. the Supreme Court does its best to F*ck the red, white, and (mostly) blue 'murican asshole, because corporations and the wealthy would appreciate it.

yet, the University students take it out on Obama.  looks like they need much more time at University (too much booze/pot and not enough study).  its clear they haven't learned much about their fading Democracy.

Prescription: more study, less dope, and stop believing that everything you see on TV is real.
 
2014-07-17 02:42:02 PM  
No, but it should be!
 
2014-07-17 02:43:08 PM  
I misread the headline as "Pregnancies" and thought..."well now let's just hang on a second".....
 
2014-07-17 02:43:23 PM  
Being President is easy! You just point the Army and Shoot!
 
2014-07-17 02:43:40 PM  

Wendy's Chili: Harry Truman was a stupid piece of shiat.

There, I said it.


yea, and America is a stupid piece of sh*t too, right??
 
2014-07-17 02:44:17 PM  

Heraclitus: Being President is easy! You just point the Army and Shoot!



that would be the answer is you asked the Pentagon crowd.    War is good Business.
 
2014-07-17 02:44:21 PM  
Apologetic article is apologetic.

Ignoring the Fark Derp Brigade, Obama has been a disappointment and a minor failure (albeit a considerable amount of times due to GOP obstructionism)

Having said that...the biggest disappointment and failure post-WWII?

images.cryhavok.org
 
2014-07-17 02:46:13 PM  
the only President in the past 50 years who can strongly compete with Kennedy is Obama.  except Obama is the wrong color.
 
2014-07-17 02:48:34 PM  

Linux_Yes: the only President in the past 50 years who can strongly compete with Kennedy is Obama.  except Obama is the wrong color.


His popularity will soar the day he leaves office.
 
2014-07-17 02:49:59 PM  

Linux_Yes: the only President in the past 50 years who can strongly compete with Kennedy is Obama.  except Obama is the wrong color.


Obama is a lot better president than Kennedy.

Kennedy was a shiatty president.
1. Refused to do anything about civil rights because it would hurt his re-election chances
2. Got us into Vietnam
3. Almost killed everyone during the Cuban Missile Crisis. Didn't realize the Soviets put missiles in Cuba aimed at the US because the US had missiles in Turkey aimed at the USSR.

He did get us to the moon, which was pretty cool, but he was a really shiatty president and was only remembered fondly because he was good looking and was assassinated young.
 
2014-07-17 02:50:05 PM  
Obama's legacy is going to be difficult to explain succinctly because a lot of it relies on preventing bad things from happening in the first place or mitigating them once they happen. There's nothing that lets America beat its chest over, and nobody ever gets credit for not taking a bad shot in basketball.
 
2014-07-17 02:53:21 PM  

machoprogrammer: 3. Almost killed everyone during the Cuban Missile Crisis. Didn't realize the Soviets put missiles in Cuba aimed at the US because the US had missiles in Turkey aimed at the USSR.


I thought he did know, he just didn't acknowledge it to the public because it would have appeared weak.
 
2014-07-17 02:53:38 PM  

Jaden Smith First of His Name: Obama's legacy is going to be difficult to explain succinctly because a lot of it relies on preventing bad things from happening in the first place or mitigating them once they happen. There's nothing that lets America beat its chest over, and nobody ever gets credit for not taking a bad shot in basketball.


there's the osama bin laden thing
 
2014-07-17 02:56:28 PM  

Jaden Smith First of His Name: Obama's legacy is going to be difficult to explain succinctly because a lot of it relies on preventing bad things from happening in the first place or mitigating them once they happen. There's nothing that lets America beat its chest over, and nobody ever gets credit for not taking a bad shot in basketball.


Truman's legacy has long been linked to the Do-Nothing Congress that he had to contend with.  I'm sure the GOP and TP will long be remembered as the assholes that kept us from getting a lot accomplished in 8 years.

Keep it up, assholes, you'll spend another 40 years out of power in Congress.
 
2014-07-17 02:58:20 PM  

Arkanaut: machoprogrammer: 3. Almost killed everyone during the Cuban Missile Crisis. Didn't realize the Soviets put missiles in Cuba aimed at the US because the US had missiles in Turkey aimed at the USSR.

I thought he did know, he just didn't acknowledge it to the public because it would have appeared weak.


That could be, but either way, it was pure potato level stupid to not remove them since we kinda started it.

I know JFK didn't put the missiles there, but it was still pure stupid to not say "You know, you are right. We will remove them."
 
2014-07-17 03:01:18 PM  

Infernalist: Jaden Smith First of His Name: Obama's legacy is going to be difficult to explain succinctly because a lot of it relies on preventing bad things from happening in the first place or mitigating them once they happen. There's nothing that lets America beat its chest over, and nobody ever gets credit for not taking a bad shot in basketball.

Truman's legacy has long been linked to the Do-Nothing Congress that he had to contend with.  I'm sure the GOP and TP will long be remembered as the assholes that kept us from getting a lot accomplished in 8 years.

Keep it up, assholes, you'll spend another 40 years out of power in Congress.


I wish I could believe that.
 
2014-07-17 03:01:52 PM  

machoprogrammer: Arkanaut: machoprogrammer: 3. Almost killed everyone during the Cuban Missile Crisis. Didn't realize the Soviets put missiles in Cuba aimed at the US because the US had missiles in Turkey aimed at the USSR.

I thought he did know, he just didn't acknowledge it to the public because it would have appeared weak.

That could be, but either way, it was pure potato level stupid to not remove them since we kinda started it.

I know JFK didn't put the missiles there, but it was still pure stupid to not say "You know, you are right. We will remove them."


But we did remove them.
 
2014-07-17 03:07:24 PM  

Arkanaut: machoprogrammer: Arkanaut: machoprogrammer: 3. Almost killed everyone during the Cuban Missile Crisis. Didn't realize the Soviets put missiles in Cuba aimed at the US because the US had missiles in Turkey aimed at the USSR.

I thought he did know, he just didn't acknowledge it to the public because it would have appeared weak.

That could be, but either way, it was pure potato level stupid to not remove them since we kinda started it.

I know JFK didn't put the missiles there, but it was still pure stupid to not say "You know, you are right. We will remove them."

But we did remove them.


And guaranteed that that the USSR (later Russia) would have a staging platform right off the East Coast of the US forever!
 
2014-07-17 03:08:12 PM  

Arkanaut: machoprogrammer: Arkanaut: machoprogrammer: 3. Almost killed everyone during the Cuban Missile Crisis. Didn't realize the Soviets put missiles in Cuba aimed at the US because the US had missiles in Turkey aimed at the USSR.

I thought he did know, he just didn't acknowledge it to the public because it would have appeared weak.

That could be, but either way, it was pure potato level stupid to not remove them since we kinda started it.

I know JFK didn't put the missiles there, but it was still pure stupid to not say "You know, you are right. We will remove them."

But we did remove them.


We did, but not before they "backed down". He refused to back down, which could've easily ended in nuclear war.
 
2014-07-17 03:10:20 PM  
The history of our time won't be wholly understood for years, but one can nonetheless wonder if the attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon, and their aftershocks, may one day be seen as a turning point toward disaster.

Well no shiat.
 
Bf+
2014-07-17 03:12:40 PM  

qorkfiend: Jaden Smith First of His Name: Obama's legacy is going to be difficult to explain succinctly because a lot of it relies on preventing bad things from happening in the first place or mitigating them once they happen. There's nothing that lets America beat its chest over, and nobody ever gets credit for not taking a bad shot in basketball.

there's the osama bin laden thing


i1.ytimg.com
...and the aqueduct.
 
2014-07-17 03:12:55 PM  

Car_Ramrod: The history of our time won't be wholly understood for years, but one can nonetheless wonder if the attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon, and their aftershocks, may one day be seen as a turning point toward disaster.

Well no shiat.


Was there any acknowledgement of who was in charge at the time and was setting policy regarding the attacks and their aftershocks?

Silly me. Of course there wasn't.
 
2014-07-17 03:17:29 PM  

qorkfiend: Car_Ramrod: The history of our time won't be wholly understood for years, but one can nonetheless wonder if the attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon, and their aftershocks, may one day be seen as a turning point toward disaster.

Well no shiat.

Was there any acknowledgement of who was in charge at the time and was setting policy regarding the attacks and their aftershocks?



Obama
 
2014-07-17 03:20:34 PM  
No, that would be Mythbusters...
 
2014-07-17 03:21:19 PM  

machoprogrammer: Arkanaut: machoprogrammer: Arkanaut: machoprogrammer: 3. Almost killed everyone during the Cuban Missile Crisis. Didn't realize the Soviets put missiles in Cuba aimed at the US because the US had missiles in Turkey aimed at the USSR.

I thought he did know, he just didn't acknowledge it to the public because it would have appeared weak.

That could be, but either way, it was pure potato level stupid to not remove them since we kinda started it.

I know JFK didn't put the missiles there, but it was still pure stupid to not say "You know, you are right. We will remove them."

But we did remove them.

We did, but not before they "backed down". He refused to back down, which could've easily ended in nuclear war.


It's my understanding that he promised Khrushchev the missles would be removed as a condition for turning the ships around.
 
2014-07-17 03:23:02 PM  
It's definitely one of the perks, though
 
2014-07-17 03:27:14 PM  
Is the article really saying that Truman is everyone's favorite post-WWII president?  Over Ike, Kennedy, or Reagan?
 
2014-07-17 03:41:53 PM  

flondrix: Is the article really saying that Truman is everyone's favorite post-WWII president?  Over Ike, Kennedy, or Reagan?


I'd like to answer your question, but that would require me understanding wtf the article was trying to say.
 
2014-07-17 03:44:58 PM  

Wendy's Chili: machoprogrammer: Arkanaut: machoprogrammer: Arkanaut: machoprogrammer: 3. Almost killed everyone during the Cuban Missile Crisis. Didn't realize the Soviets put missiles in Cuba aimed at the US because the US had missiles in Turkey aimed at the USSR.

I thought he did know, he just didn't acknowledge it to the public because it would have appeared weak.

That could be, but either way, it was pure potato level stupid to not remove them since we kinda started it.

I know JFK didn't put the missiles there, but it was still pure stupid to not say "You know, you are right. We will remove them."

But we did remove them.

We did, but not before they "backed down". He refused to back down, which could've easily ended in nuclear war.

It's my understanding that he promised Khrushchev the missles would be removed as a condition for turning the ships around.


Whoops, my bad. You are right:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuban_missile_crisis#Crisis_ends

Either case, it was stupid to even let it get that far. It was a stare down that almost ended the world via nuclear winter.
 
2014-07-17 03:56:54 PM  

Linux_Yes: the only President in the past 50 years who can strongly compete with Kennedy is Obama.  except Obama is the wrong color.


Kind of an unfortunate parallel to make, since in terms of skill and policy Kennedy is hands-down the worst US president since the 1870s, and pretty much the best thing he did for the office was get killed before he could finish farking everything up to the point of irrevocability.  Even the most Kennedy-favoring historians trying to list his positive policy contributions pretty much run out after "managed to be elected despite being Catholic", everything else was one disaster after another, many of which were outright his  fault.

It's weird how much getting murdered in office can gloss over in terms of actual history.
 
2014-07-17 04:00:24 PM  

Jim_Callahan: Linux_Yes: the only President in the past 50 years who can strongly compete with Kennedy is Obama.  except Obama is the wrong color.

Kind of an unfortunate parallel to make, since in terms of skill and policy Kennedy is hands-down the worst US president since the 1870s, and pretty much the best thing he did for the office was get killed before he could finish farking everything up to the point of irrevocability.  Even the most Kennedy-favoring historians trying to list his positive policy contributions pretty much run out after "managed to be elected despite being Catholic", everything else was one disaster after another, many of which were outright his  fault.

It's weird how much getting murdered in office can gloss over in terms of actual history.


Martyrdom is a hell of a whitewash.
 
2014-07-17 04:00:42 PM  

Jim_Callahan: Kennedy is hands-down the worst US president since the 1870s


wat

/odd your comparison just happens to stop at Andrew Johnson
 
2014-07-17 04:01:52 PM  
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2014-07-17 04:04:02 PM  

grumpfuff: Jim_Callahan: Kennedy is hands-down the worst US president since the 1870s

wat

/odd your comparison just happens to stop at Andrew Johnson


or U.S .Grant, who was actually president in the 1870s and was pretty bad by all accounts.
 
2014-07-17 04:05:17 PM  
So this is sort of the opposite of how things were back in the late 90's, when things about the Presidency were making things up and blowing scandals.
 
2014-07-17 04:07:01 PM  

machoprogrammer: Linux_Yes: the only President in the past 50 years who can strongly compete with Kennedy is Obama.  except Obama is the wrong color.

Obama is a lot better president than Kennedy.

Kennedy was a shiatty president.
1. Refused to do anything about civil rights because it would hurt his re-election chances
2. Got us into Vietnam
3. Almost killed everyone during the Cuban Missile Crisis. Didn't realize the Soviets put missiles in Cuba aimed at the US because the US had missiles in Turkey aimed at the USSR.

He did get us to the moon, which was pretty cool, but he was a really shiatty president and was only remembered fondly because he was good looking and was assassinated young.


Ah, revisionist history. Eisenhower got you into Vietnam, not Kennedy. Look it up dammit. The civil rights laws never would have been passed under Johnson if Kennedy hadn't prepared the plan for it. D'you think LBJ would have done that on his own? As for the Cuban missile crisis, blaming that on Kennedy is ludicrous. He didn't station the missiles in Cuba, Eisenhower did. During the actual confrontation, he kept his head, resisted the urgings of the military to further escalate the situation and ultimately prevailed. This brought Kruschev down and paved the way for Breznev and detente. So yeah, you're pretty much full of crap.
 
2014-07-17 04:08:47 PM  

Madewithrealbitsofpanther: grumpfuff: Jim_Callahan: Kennedy is hands-down the worst US president since the 1870s

wat

/odd your comparison just happens to stop at Andrew Johnson

or U.S .Grant, who was actually president in the 1870s and was pretty bad by all accounts.


meh, getting my dates confused. that's what I get for not double checking

/same point holds, going back to someone who is generally considered one of the worst, skipping over all the other bad presidents between now and then
 
2014-07-17 04:10:13 PM  

Mike_1962: machoprogrammer: Linux_Yes: the only President in the past 50 years who can strongly compete with Kennedy is Obama.  except Obama is the wrong color.

Obama is a lot better president than Kennedy.

Kennedy was a shiatty president.
1. Refused to do anything about civil rights because it would hurt his re-election chances
2. Got us into Vietnam
3. Almost killed everyone during the Cuban Missile Crisis. Didn't realize the Soviets put missiles in Cuba aimed at the US because the US had missiles in Turkey aimed at the USSR.

He did get us to the moon, which was pretty cool, but he was a really shiatty president and was only remembered fondly because he was good looking and was assassinated young.

Ah, revisionist history. Eisenhower got you into Vietnam, not Kennedy. Look it up dammit. The civil rights laws never would have been passed under Johnson if Kennedy hadn't prepared the plan for it. D'you think LBJ would have done that on his own? As for the Cuban missile crisis, blaming that on Kennedy is ludicrous. He didn't station the missiles in Cuba, Eisenhower did. During the actual confrontation, he kept his head, resisted the urgings of the military to further escalate the situation and ultimately prevailed. This brought Kruschev down and paved the way for Breznev and detente. So yeah, you're pretty much full of crap.


Eisenhower got us into Vietnam, but Kennedy escalated it. LBJ was huge on civil rights, so yes, he would have. And Eisenhower did put the missiles there (I even said so earlier ITT) but Kennedy refused to back down and almost started a war due to that. Instead of, at the beginning, just saying "Yeah, it is a double standard", he waited until we were almost in a war.
 
2014-07-17 04:12:03 PM  

qorkfiend: All that Quinnipiac poll says is that roughly 35% of the country worship Reagan and despise Obama. Coincidentally, that's roughly the same percentage who approved of George W.'s job performance through the end of his second term.


That was 26%ers, thank you very much.
 
2014-07-17 04:12:55 PM  

Mike_1962: Ah, revisionist history. Eisenhower got you into Vietnam, not Kennedy. Look it up dammit.


No it was LBJ.  Eisenhower sent advisers to train the SVA, Kennedy doubled down the amount, LBJ sent Marines under false pretence.  See the difference.
 
2014-07-17 04:18:46 PM  

Saiga410: No it was LBJ. Eisenhower sent advisers to train the SVA, Kennedy doubled down the amount, LBJ sent Marines under false pretence. See the difference.



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"That lying son of a biatch Johnson!"
 
2014-07-17 04:19:58 PM  

Madewithrealbitsofpanther: grumpfuff: Jim_Callahan: Kennedy is hands-down the worst US president since the 1870s

wat

/odd your comparison just happens to stop at Andrew Johnson

or U.S .Grant, who was actually president in the 1870s and was pretty bad by all accounts.


I would post a thats_the_joke.jpg, but it's not really a 'joke' as such so... yes, this was my intended implication?

Modern politicians don't have shiat on reconstruction for general terribleness, though Kennedy gives them a run for the title by trying to get the entire planet blown up on several occasions.  Plus escalating Vietnam into the range of actual clusterfark rather than incidental involvement (though someone else has noted that LBJ finished the job on that one).

// I guess honorable mention should probably go to Coolidge for the "business is business" deregulation crap that ever-so-coincidentally preceded the goddamned great depression.
 
2014-07-17 04:22:45 PM  

Mike_1962: Ah, revisionist history. Eisenhower got you into Vietnam, not Kennedy. Look it up dammit. The civil rights laws never would have been passed under Johnson if Kennedy hadn't prepared the plan for it. D'you think LBJ would have done that on his own? As for the Cuban missile crisis, blaming that on Kennedy is ludicrous. He didn't station the missiles in Cuba, Eisenhower did.


While we are blaming things on Eisenhower, was he involved with replacing the democratically elected government of Iran with the Shah?

On the plus side, it looks like Eisenhower made some early contributions to desegregation.
 
2014-07-17 04:31:17 PM  

machoprogrammer: Mike_1962: machoprogrammer: Linux_Yes: the only President in the past 50 years who can strongly compete with Kennedy is Obama.  except Obama is the wrong color.

Obama is a lot better president than Kennedy.

Kennedy was a shiatty president.
1. Refused to do anything about civil rights because it would hurt his re-election chances
2. Got us into Vietnam
3. Almost killed everyone during the Cuban Missile Crisis. Didn't realize the Soviets put missiles in Cuba aimed at the US because the US had missiles in Turkey aimed at the USSR.

He did get us to the moon, which was pretty cool, but he was a really shiatty president and was only remembered fondly because he was good looking and was assassinated young.

Ah, revisionist history. Eisenhower got you into Vietnam, not Kennedy. Look it up dammit. The civil rights laws never would have been passed under Johnson if Kennedy hadn't prepared the plan for it. D'you think LBJ would have done that on his own? As for the Cuban missile crisis, blaming that on Kennedy is ludicrous. He didn't station the missiles in Cuba, Eisenhower did. During the actual confrontation, he kept his head, resisted the urgings of the military to further escalate the situation and ultimately prevailed. This brought Kruschev down and paved the way for Breznev and detente. So yeah, you're pretty much full of crap.

Eisenhower got us into Vietnam, but Kennedy escalated it. LBJ was huge on civil rights, so yes, he would have. And Eisenhower did put the missiles there (I even said so earlier ITT) but Kennedy refused to back down and almost started a war due to that. Instead of, at the beginning, just saying "Yeah, it is a double standard", he waited until we were almost in a war.


Yes, the 1960s were well known for the great working relationship between the US and USSR. I get the feeling you aren't old enough to remember when looming nuclear annihilation over incredibly trifling stuff wasn't out of the realm of reality.

Why do you think the Soviets would have stopped trying to put missiles on Cuba if we made a public statement saying we'd take our missiles out of Turkey? It would have been political suicide for both governments. Both Kruschev and Kennedy knew that all it would take was for one idiot in either of their militaries to make a stupid mistake and war would be totally out of their hands, and they were both dealing with advisors who were straight-up calling for a pre-emptive strike.

There's plenty of reasons to not care for Kennedy, but his handling of the crisis is really the only reason any of us can even be alive to be having this conversation now.
 
2014-07-17 04:34:24 PM  

Mike_1962: machoprogrammer: Linux_Yes: the only President in the past 50 years who can strongly compete with Kennedy is Obama.  except Obama is the wrong color.

Obama is a lot better president than Kennedy.

Kennedy was a shiatty president.
1. Refused to do anything about civil rights because it would hurt his re-election chances
2. Got us into Vietnam
3. Almost killed everyone during the Cuban Missile Crisis. Didn't realize the Soviets put missiles in Cuba aimed at the US because the US had missiles in Turkey aimed at the USSR.

He did get us to the moon, which was pretty cool, but he was a really shiatty president and was only remembered fondly because he was good looking and was assassinated young.

Ah, revisionist history. Eisenhower got you into Vietnam, not Kennedy. Look it up dammit. The civil rights laws never would have been passed under Johnson if Kennedy hadn't prepared the plan for it. D'you think LBJ would have done that on his own? As for the Cuban missile crisis, blaming that on Kennedy is ludicrous. He didn't station the missiles in Cuba, Eisenhower did. During the actual confrontation, he kept his head, resisted the urgings of the military to further escalate the situation and ultimately prevailed. This brought Kruschev down and paved the way for Breznev and detente. So yeah, you're pretty much full of crap.


I'm not positive Kennedy could have passed the Civil Rights Act. LBJ used every strongarm tactic in the book, including Kennedy's assassination to get that passed.
 
2014-07-17 04:35:14 PM  

machoprogrammer: Either case, it was stupid to even let it get that far.


I think he handled the crisis quite well. A hell of a lot better than the Bay of Pigs invasion anyway.

Getting back to the subject, I think there's a strong case to be made that Obama has been our best post-WWII president.

Obama
Good: Student loan reform, financial reform, health care reform, bin-Laden, winding down wars
Bad: Not enough financial reform

Johnson
Good: Medicare, Medicaid, SNAP, Civil Rights Act, ribald anecdotes
Bad: Vietnam

Kennedy
Good: Cuban Missile Crisis, civil rights, Peace Corps, space program, LTBT
Bad: Bay of Pigs, Vietnam, hepatitus

Bush (Pappy)
Good: Americans with Disabilities Act, START I
Bad: Drug war

Clinton
Good: Kosovo, saxophone
Bad: Trade agreement with China, welfare reform

Carter
Good: Egypt-Israel treaty, SALT II, conservation
Bad: Financial deregulation, sweaters

Nixon
Good: Diplomatic relations with China, OSHA, EPA, SALT I.
Bad: Cambodia, criminality, bringing us Rumsfeld and Cheney, Chile, drug war

Ford
Good: Helinski Accords, special education
Bad: WIN, balance

Reagan
Good: INF
Bad: Providing arms to countless terrorist organizations, paramilitary groups, and hostile governments; Grenada; financial deregulation; drug war (esp. mandatory minimums); all-around fiscal irresponsibility

Bush (the Lesser)
Good: AIDS relief, throwing arm
Bad: Everything else
 
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