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2014-07-17 10:09:25 AM  
11 votes:
She was out after curfew, ran from police and resisted arrest.

Her mother should *also* be beaten for naming her daughter Merceedez.
2014-07-17 10:07:41 AM  
9 votes:

Rincewind53: You think this would have happened to white kids? Hellllll no.


It really would depend on the part of town that they were in.  The girls admitted to breaking curfew, giving the police some attitude, running away & fighting back when caught.  The police were justified here in giving out a very minor amount of street justice regardless of color (perhaps not to the extent that they did here though).  In a neighborhood filled with expensive houses, expensive cars & doctors & lawyers living there, no the police would have been much more gentle.  However I can think of a neighborhood around here (95% white) where the girls there would be beat on just as much for doing the same as these did.  Of course that neighborhood is filled with meth heads, junkies, welfare queens & just pure white trash.

It's economics not race that determines much of the police actions these days. Can daddy afford a lawyer is one of the first things that they ask themselves before the street justice comes into play
2014-07-17 09:32:22 AM  
9 votes:
She has learned a valuable lesson.  The police are filthy animals that have a license to beat the crap out of you whenever they feel like it.

She'll take this lesson to heart.
2014-07-17 10:38:27 AM  
7 votes:
question_dj: Yeah man, curfew violation is serious business.  Running down teenagers, tackling, then beating them because they were lippy and ran is reasonable response from police.  Gotta show those kids who's boss.  Can't let them get away with being lippy and running.  No sir.  Breaking curfew is tantamount to murder, so actually they should have just shot her.

It may not be justified but the reality is that if you make the police chase you, they WILL beat on you a bit when they catch you.  If you start fighting back & hitting them at that point they will start going overboard in their enthusiasm to subdue you.  If she had just stood there being lippy, she may have pissed off the police but they wouldn't have (probably, you really can't tell with some of them) started beating on her (too many potential witnesses attracted by the noise).  She might have gotten a ticket for being outside 5 min after curfew (which a judge probably would have thrown out if she pressed the issue - 10pm is really early especially in the summer), but she wouldn't be sitting in the hospital right now.

But you already knew all of that....
2014-07-17 12:44:37 PM  
6 votes:

Marcus Aurelius: She has learned a valuable lesson.  The police are filthy animals that have a license to beat the crap out of you whenever they feel like it.

She'll take this lesson to heart.


The real lesson learned is just because she thinks shes a little princess doesn't mean she is.
2014-07-17 12:49:55 PM  
5 votes:
Curfew violation: Reason to stop and talk to you
Running away from cops when they try to stop and talk to you: Reason to tackle you
Trying to free yourself from restraint after being tackled for running away from cops who have stopped to talk to you: A likely chance that cops will use too much force to subdue you.

I'm not saying she deserved the damage she received, but to argue she didn't deserve any of this over a curfew violation is disingenuous at best.  She received the damage she did for running and resisting.
2014-07-17 12:40:48 PM  
5 votes:
SURPRISE!!!
When you run from cops...they chase you and tackle you!
SURPRISE!!!
When tackled by cops, you tend to get scuffed up some.

Did you somehow think they were playing "touch-apprehend"???
None of this shiat would have happened if she'd just gotten in the back of the car and got driven home.
2014-07-17 10:27:07 AM  
5 votes:
There should be no such thing as a farking curfew at all.
2014-07-17 10:12:25 AM  
5 votes:

Recoil Therapy: Rincewind53: You think this would have happened to white kids? Hellllll no.

It really would depend on the part of town that they were in.  The girls admitted to breaking curfew, giving the police some attitude, running away & fighting back when caught.  The police were justified here in giving out a very minor amount of street justice regardless of color (perhaps not to the extent that they did here though).  In a neighborhood filled with expensive houses, expensive cars & doctors & lawyers living there, no the police would have been much more gentle.  However I can think of a neighborhood around here (95% white) where the girls there would be beat on just as much for doing the same as these did.  Of course that neighborhood is filled with meth heads, junkies, welfare queens & just pure white trash.

It's economics not race that determines much of the police actions these days. Can daddy afford a lawyer is one of the first things that they ask themselves before the street justice comes into play


Yeah man, curfew violation is serious business.  Running down teenagers, tackling, then beating them because they were lippy and ran is reasonable response from police.  Gotta show those kids who's boss.  Can't let them get away with being lippy and running.  No sir.  Breaking curfew is tantamount to murder, so actually they should have just shot her.
2014-07-17 09:54:58 AM  
5 votes:

Marcus Aurelius: She has learned a valuable lesson.  The police are filthy animals that have a license to beat the crap out of you whenever they feel like it.

She'll take this lesson to heart.


Nah, the real lesson she learned is not to walk outside while black.

You think this would have happened to white kids? Hellllll no.
2014-07-17 12:53:29 PM  
4 votes:
Is this the thread where a couple of sociopaths who commit on average 3 felonies a day act like beating somebody for breaking curfew is alright? Good times.
2014-07-17 02:47:26 PM  
3 votes:

Click Click D'oh: tlars699: Also, if she was just tackled without being recited her Miranda rights at the same time, then they were just assaulting her.

Stop making crap up.  Miranda rights only pertain to questioning and gathering of testimonial evidence.  It has nothing to do with an actual arrest.  If a police officer says "Stop", you have been legally arrested.


No, he has not arrested you. You have been detained. There is a big difference.
2014-07-17 01:17:48 PM  
3 votes:

Maud Dib: Jaden Smith First of His Name: It must be awful having to spell out your attractive and successful first name for everything. Or imagine being a teacher for an inner-city school: "Yunique, can you answer this question? No, not the Yunique with two E's. No, not you either, one that ends with a K."

Wow, I see the Fark Racist Brigade has shown up.


Dumb names aren't a race. I'm sure there's a variant for schools filled with thirty spellings for "Madison," but I'm saving that bit for a thread about a white girl with a dumb name.
2014-07-17 12:50:51 PM  
3 votes:

Recoil Therapy: Rincewind53: You think this would have happened to white kids? Hellllll no.

It really would depend on the part of town that they were in.  The girls admitted to breaking curfew, giving the police some attitude, running away & fighting back when caught.  The police were justified here in giving out a very minor amount of street justice regardless of color (perhaps not to the extent that they did here though).  In a neighborhood filled with expensive houses, expensive cars & doctors & lawyers living there, no the police would have been much more gentle.  However I can think of a neighborhood around here (95% white) where the girls there would be beat on just as much for doing the same as these did.  Of course that neighborhood is filled with meth heads, junkies, welfare queens & just pure white trash.

It's economics not race that determines much of the police actions these days. Can daddy afford a lawyer is one of the first things that they ask themselves before the street justice comes into play


No they are not justified in dishing out some street justice. Infact they have a legal obligation to do the exact opposite.
2014-07-17 12:49:59 PM  
3 votes:

Marcus Aurelius: She has learned a valuable lesson.  The police are filthy animals that have a license to beat the crap out of you whenever they feel like it.

She'll take this lesson to heart.


""I didn't think cops would do that to me because I'm a girl."

No she learned she can't apply her pussypass at night when people can't tell she's a girl.
2014-07-17 12:45:39 PM  
3 votes:
stop breaking the law, asshole.gif

/seriously, broke curfew, ran, resisted, all bad ideas.
2014-07-17 12:41:13 PM  
3 votes:
Whoa curfew violation, that surely requires physical intervention!

/cops are terrorists
//soon cops will be planting ied's to surprise apprehend suspects
/cops are terrorists
2014-07-17 10:54:22 AM  
3 votes:

Recoil Therapy: question_dj: Yeah man, curfew violation is serious business.  Running down teenagers, tackling, then beating them because they were lippy and ran is reasonable response from police.  Gotta show those kids who's boss.  Can't let them get away with being lippy and running.  No sir.  Breaking curfew is tantamount to murder, so actually they should have just shot her.

It may not be justified but the reality is that if you make the police chase you, they WILL beat on you a bit when they catch you.  If you start fighting back & hitting them at that point they will start going overboard in their enthusiasm to subdue you.  If she had just stood there being lippy, she may have pissed off the police but they wouldn't have (probably, you really can't tell with some of them) started beating on her (too many potential witnesses attracted by the noise).  She might have gotten a ticket for being outside 5 min after curfew (which a judge probably would have thrown out if she pressed the issue - 10pm is really early especially in the summer), but she wouldn't be sitting in the hospital right now.

But you already knew all of that....


Will and should are two completely different things.  God forbid police show restraint and forethought when doing their jobs.  Someone runs?  Beating the shiat out of them is the only way to respond.  Are they mouthing off?  Oh man, disrespecting me, beat the shiat out of them!  Yes, they ran.  Yes, they were lippy.  Last I checked, it's illegal for me to beat people when they get lippy with me.  Yet folks give the police a free pass.  These are teenagers doing what teenagers do.  Obviously the right response is to beat them.
2014-07-18 05:35:25 PM  
2 votes:
I saw the video and have no problem with what took place. She was very combative from what I could tell and had she just stopped and spoke to the police in the first place instead of running from them she might have just received a warning.

People make their own problems.
2014-07-17 02:58:49 PM  
2 votes:

Burning_Monk: Waldo Pepper: is there any proof of excessive violence in this situation. you have one side and that has yet to be proven reliable.

Having to admit the kid into a hospital doesn't show excessive force?

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It shows force, certainly -- whether it really was excessive depends on what exactly happened.  Going by TFA, it certainly sounds excessive, but then again, TFA is based on the girl's account only.  She has every motive to downplay her own responsibility.
2014-07-17 02:50:23 PM  
2 votes:

tlars699: You're not under arrest until the police have said: You are under arrest.
It's the first part of Miranda Rights that they are supposed to read to you as you are being arrested, and if she walked after they had started reciting that- okay- maybe she would then be classified as resisting.

If she walked away before that, or had mentioned that she needed to go to the shop and pick up her bag/phone, and was then chased down, that is not  resisting arrest.

There can be no resisting a command if there was no command given.


You absolutely do not have to be told "you're under arrest" to legally be under arrest (although Miranda must be given prior to interrogative questioning). As the police had probable cause in this instance (clocks aren't a subjecive opinion), the moment she attempted to leave and they tell her to stop, she has been issued a lawful command and has been placed under arrest.

Christ, she admits to being the only one walking away (bringing into question the legitimacy of any bag/phone left behind - which can be confirmed by the store and/or video surveillance), and then to running when the police attempted to stop her BECAUSE she was trying to leave, and then to fighting them after they did stop her (which isn't "defending yourself" - it's fighting them after you've escalated the situation TWICE).

This girl is an idiot, and she didn't get "beaten." She was forcefully arrested and sustained fairly minor injuries from being tackled and having someone kneel on her neck/back to restrain her. The outrage about police here is idiotic and uninformed.
2014-07-17 02:20:24 PM  
2 votes:
2014-07-17 02:02:11 PM  
2 votes:

moeburn: Maud Dib: Jaden Smith First of His Name: It must be awful having to spell out your attractive and successful first name for everything. Or imagine being a teacher for an inner-city school: "Yunique, can you answer this question? No, not the Yunique with two E's. No, not you either, one that ends with a K."

Wow, I see the Fark Racist Brigade has shown up.

Coincidentally, I went to an inner-city school, and there were two black girls in my class with the name "unique".  One was spelled with a U, and one with a Y.


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2014-07-17 01:56:09 PM  
2 votes:

untaken_name: INeedAName: The amount of closet racism in this thread is depressing.


If you all just want to say she deserved it for getting 'uppity' and thinking she had a right to not be beaten so severely she needed to go the hospital, it would make finding the right people to ignore much easier.

Good thing she wasn't sitting at the wrong lunch counter or anything.

Deserved it? No more than most people deserve the beatings police dish out. The thing is, I want to be outraged. But they didn't kill her, and it wasn't the wrong address on a no-knock raid. What happened to her was outrageous, but lately the police are doing so many worse things that it seems like there's just no outrage left.


"I want to be outraged" -- says a lot...

You run from the cops, they're going to chase you. The purpose of that pursuit is to apprehend you. Once/if they catch up to you, they are going to physically intervene to stop you from running, that might be a little painful..

If you try to interfere with that intervening process, it might be a little more painful..

Nobody got shot, nobody got seriously injured...

Curfew violation at 10:05, is that a little heavy handed? Yah sure... But I'm not seeing the case for a lot of indignant liberal outrage here.. I'm just not..
2014-07-17 01:52:37 PM  
2 votes:

moeburn: Capo Del Bandito: moeburn: So if you run, you should expect to get beat? I mean maybe grabbed and arrested, sure, but they continued to beat her after she was already pinned and in their grasp.

Ok dunno how many real life 'altercations' you've been in, but that isn't exactly a moment to 'stop and analyze the whole situation'. If the cops have stopped you and you try to leave, and then take off running, yes you will be tackled, face in the dirt, cuffed and hauled off like a hogtied animal.

I've been in literally the exact same situation as this girl.  Couple of cops saw me run a red light when I was on my bike (well, more like treat a red light like a stop sign, safely, at 4AM).  I had headphones on (again, at night here), so apparently I didn't hear them yelling at me.  Next thing I know, cop car slams into my bike and tries to run me over.  Cop jumps out of car and proceeds to bash my head into metal door, denting their car.

There was no violent crime in the neighbourhood.  They weren't looking for a criminal.  They were looking to "teach a punk a lesson".  You condone that?


So basically, these officers you met are likely to assault any deaf people they meet.  I SAID THEY ARE LIKELY TO ASSAULT ANY DEAF PEOPLE THEY MEET!!!
2014-07-17 01:45:23 PM  
2 votes:

INeedAName: The amount of closet racism in this thread is depressing.

If you all just want to say she deserved it for getting 'uppity' and thinking she had a right to not be beaten so severely she needed to go the hospital, it would make finding the right people to ignore much easier.

Good thing she wasn't sitting at the wrong lunch counter or anything.


Meh, I suspect that most of the people advocating for her beating would also be cheering if it was a blonde-haired blue-eyed girl getting put in the hospital.  A depressingly large number of people like to see a good beating delivered by authority figures.  If cops picked some random person on the sidewalk and beat the crap out of him/her for no reason, there'd still be an element on Fark who would find reasons why he/she deserved exactly what they got.
2014-07-17 01:42:30 PM  
2 votes:

scottydoesntknow: I would like to point out that in your paragraph you failed to mention the fact that she resisted, and 99% of the time it's resisting that leads to the beating.


When police administer a beating 99% of the time they claim resisting.

Recent video seem to indicate that breathing can be considered resisting.
2014-07-17 01:41:00 PM  
2 votes:
The amount of closet racism in this thread is depressing.


If you all just want to say she deserved it for getting 'uppity' and thinking she had a right to not be beaten so severely she needed to go the hospital, it would make finding the right people to ignore much easier.

Good thing she wasn't sitting at the wrong lunch counter or anything.
2014-07-17 01:38:38 PM  
2 votes:

strathmeyer: There are still American youth who don't understand that there is no difference between someone wearing a police uniform and a criminal.


No, there's a big difference: the criminals have to be afraid of police, courts, and prison.  The police don't need to fear repercussions.
2014-07-17 01:35:46 PM  
2 votes:
"I didn't think cops would do that to me because I'm a girl."

Equality isn't something you turn on and off when it benefits you.
2014-07-17 01:35:44 PM  
2 votes:

Rincewind53: Marcus Aurelius: She has learned a valuable lesson.  The police are filthy animals that have a license to beat the crap out of you whenever they feel like it.

She'll take this lesson to heart.

Nah, the real lesson she learned is not to walk outside while black.

You think this would have happened to white kids? Hellllll no.


Sure. Because obviously if a white teen runs from a police stop and then resists arrest, the cops just laugh it off and let him go. Everyone knows it's true, right?
Right?

/stop fabricating "racism"
2014-07-17 01:33:12 PM  
2 votes:
For those not in the USA: No, our country does not have a curfew. In some small towns where they have lots of teenagers but no places for them to go, and lots of old people who think all the crime is being done by kids, they have a local ordinance imposing a curfew on minors. Usually there's an exception for work or if the kids are on their way home shortly after curfew starts.
2014-07-17 01:29:49 PM  
2 votes:

genner: pedrop357: rumpelstiltskin: Instead, the curfews came about because teens would constantly disrupt entertainment districts, week after week after week, and the police got tired of hauling them off to the station so their parents could pick them up. And the parents got tired of complaining that their precious little jewels were just bystanders and never caused anyone any trouble. So we have curfews, and the curfews work.

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I put all the blame of the politicians. The cops were just doing their job. Curfew laws are just idiotic.


So was the Gestapo and concentration camp guards.
2014-07-17 01:23:44 PM  
2 votes:

pedrop357: rumpelstiltskin: Instead, the curfews came about because teens would constantly disrupt entertainment districts, week after week after week, and the police got tired of hauling them off to the station so their parents could pick them up. And the parents got tired of complaining that their precious little jewels were just bystanders and never caused anyone any trouble. So we have curfews, and the curfews work.


www.sonsoflibertytees.com

I put all the blame of the politicians. The cops were just doing their job. Curfew laws are just idiotic.
2014-07-17 01:03:35 PM  
2 votes:

AgentPothead: Is this the thread where a couple of sociopaths who commit on average 3 felonies a day act like beating somebody for breaking curfew is alright? Good times.


Nah, its the thread where we hate on cops for trying to subdue someone who was running away from a law violation. We all know the cops shoulda just shrugged it off and let them go...and if turned out later that those kids were breaking curfew and running away from cops because they were commiting crimes then, meh, surely those cops would not be haraunged for not doing their jobs. No harm no foul, obviously.
2014-07-17 01:02:38 PM  
2 votes:

genner: jshine: genner: jshine: Looks like she had good reason to run from the cops - they're dangerous thugs with no self control and probably will not be held accountable for their actions.

If a suspect is unarmed and not fighting back and you put her in the hospital, you should be tried for assault - badge or no.

Except she was fighting and admitted it.

...or putting up her hands in a defensive posture?  Many beatings come with defensive wounds -- it's an instinctual reaction that is nearly impossible to avoid.

That would be a good argument if she didn't admit to deliberately fighting the police. The facts of the incident aren't in question. All sides agree on what happened. The stupid girl actually thinks she has the right to slug an officer and not get hit back.


TFA: "They both just tackled me to the ground and smashed my face into the ground with their feet and their legs. Then they started pulling my hair and pushing me and stuff, and I was screaming real loud," Wright said.

It doesn't sound like she punched the officer.  ...but even if she had, two armed men should be able to subdue a 17 year-old girl without that level of violence.  If they can't control the situation without putting her in the hospital, then at best they don't have the judgement required to be police officers.  Or has police training really devolved to "beat the suspect until they stop moving resisting"?

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2014-07-17 12:59:26 PM  
2 votes:
It's almost as if African Americans have no trust for the police.  I wonder why that might be.
2014-07-17 12:56:59 PM  
2 votes:

Jument: Curfew, though. WTF? I thought this was the land of the free. Who the hell thinks martial law is a good idea?


It's the ultimate intersection of nanny state lefties, "law and order" righties, and lazy cops while being only  applied to people who have no political or economic power.

In other words, statists, political cowards and lazy asses are the ones who think it's a really neat idea.

Nevermind that it has NO positive effect on juvenile crime and may actually make things worse - cops who feel the need to stop people under 18 can't see the real crime down the street, and empty streets tends to enable/encourage crime.
2014-07-17 12:55:50 PM  
2 votes:
ITT: "Police beatings are ok, because the person getting beaten up probably deserved it".

You people are disgusting.
2014-07-17 12:53:40 PM  
2 votes:

Noticeably F.A.T.: Recoil Therapy: street justice

Street justice isn't justice.


It's not street justice. They were legally trying to arrest her and she fought them. They defended themselves. Curfews are BS but the police don't write the laws.
2014-07-17 12:53:11 PM  
2 votes:

Recoil Therapy: question_dj: Yeah man, curfew violation is serious business.  Running down teenagers, tackling, then beating them because they were lippy and ran is reasonable response from police.  Gotta show those kids who's boss.  Can't let them get away with being lippy and running.  No sir.  Breaking curfew is tantamount to murder, so actually they should have just shot her.

It may not be justified but the reality is that if you make the police chase you, they WILL beat on you a bit when they catch you.  If you start fighting back & hitting them at that point they will start going overboard in their enthusiasm to subdue you.  If she had just stood there being lippy, she may have pissed off the police but they wouldn't have (probably, you really can't tell with some of them) started beating on her (too many potential witnesses attracted by the noise).  She might have gotten a ticket for being outside 5 min after curfew (which a judge probably would have thrown out if she pressed the issue - 10pm is really early especially in the summer), but she wouldn't be sitting in the hospital right now.

But you already knew all of that....


The reality is that after beating the shiat out of you they should be fired in disgrace.
2014-07-17 12:51:26 PM  
2 votes:
Why is there an ice cream store open after curfew so that these young innocents are tempted to be law breakers.

/expected her to be white
2014-07-17 12:50:36 PM  
2 votes:
FTA: "I didn't think cops would do that to me because I'm a girl."

Lol.  Surprise beotch!


Also FTA:  "said Wright's mother, Audelia Amoah. "She's a good kid."


No, she's not a good kid.  Now go be a parent and teach your child not to run from and fight the police.
2014-07-17 12:49:58 PM  
2 votes:
...and that she both ran from officers and resisted them after being tackled...

Stopped reading right there.
2014-07-17 12:49:32 PM  
2 votes:

jshine: Looks like she had good reason to run from the cops - they're dangerous thugs with no self control and probably will not be held accountable for their actions.

If a suspect is unarmed and not fighting back and you put her in the hospital, you should be tried for assault - badge or no.


Except she was fighting and admitted it.
2014-07-17 12:47:56 PM  
2 votes:

Turbo Cojones: Rawhead Rex: SURPRISE!!!
When you run from cops...they chase you and tackle you!
SURPRISE!!!
When tackled by cops, you tend to get scuffed up some.

Did you somehow think they were playing "touch-apprehend"???
None of this shiat would have happened if she'd just gotten in the back of the car and got driven home.

"Wright also said she did resist officers once she was knocked to the ground. 

Yeah, pretty much stopped reading once she admitted to active resistance.


After they tackled her for no real reason?
2014-07-17 12:45:49 PM  
2 votes:

Rawhead Rex: SURPRISE!!!
When you run from cops...they chase you and tackle you!
SURPRISE!!!
When tackled by cops, you tend to get scuffed up some.

Did you somehow think they were playing "touch-apprehend"???
None of this shiat would have happened if she'd just gotten in the back of the car and got driven home.


A big bowl of THIS. When you run from the police, an ass-kickin' is comin'.
2014-07-17 12:45:00 PM  
2 votes:
Looks like she had good reason to run from the cops - they're dangerous thugs with no self control and probably will not be held accountable for their actions.

If a suspect is unarmed and not fighting back and you put her in the hospital, you should be tried for assault - badge or no.
2014-07-17 12:42:18 PM  
2 votes:

Pocket Ninja: Merceedez  Wright


The parents are the ones that need to be beaten for giving their poor child that unfortunate name
2014-07-17 11:12:01 AM  
2 votes:

question_dj: Recoil Therapy: question_dj: Yeah man, curfew violation is serious business.  Running down teenagers, tackling, then beating them because they were lippy and ran is reasonable response from police.  Gotta show those kids who's boss.  Can't let them get away with being lippy and running.  No sir.  Breaking curfew is tantamount to murder, so actually they should have just shot her.

It may not be justified but the reality is that if you make the police chase you, they WILL beat on you a bit when they catch you.  If you start fighting back & hitting them at that point they will start going overboard in their enthusiasm to subdue you.  If she had just stood there being lippy, she may have pissed off the police but they wouldn't have (probably, you really can't tell with some of them) started beating on her (too many potential witnesses attracted by the noise).  She might have gotten a ticket for being outside 5 min after curfew (which a judge probably would have thrown out if she pressed the issue - 10pm is really early especially in the summer), but she wouldn't be sitting in the hospital right now.

But you already knew all of that....

Will and should are two completely different things.  God forbid police show restraint and forethought when doing their jobs.  Someone runs?  Beating the shiat out of them is the only way to respond.  Are they mouthing off?  Oh man, disrespecting me, beat the shiat out of them!  Yes, they ran.  Yes, they were lippy.  Last I checked, it's illegal for me to beat people when they get lippy with me.  Yet folks give the police a free pass.  These are teenagers doing what teenagers do.  Obviously the right response is to beat them.


I would like to point out that in your paragraph you failed to mention the fact that she resisted, and 99% of the time it's resisting that leads to the beating.
2014-07-17 10:46:51 AM  
2 votes:
Where I live in Baltimore there is a curfew. If there wasn't, we would have roaming gangs of teenagers out at all hours of the night.

We have that now, but without the curfew it would be worse. It would be like the Warriors movie.
2014-07-17 10:38:10 AM  
2 votes:

Tigger: There should be no such thing as a farking curfew at all.


I agree, if they're able to run around and do whatever pleases them all night, sooner or later these things will take care of themselves.
2014-07-17 10:15:07 AM  
2 votes:

vernonFL: She was out after curfew, ran from police and resisted arrest.

Her mother should *also* be beaten for naming her daughter Merceedez.


Fun fact, curfew violation is a misdemeanor, meaning cops likely couldn't even  arrest her for it. Legally the most they could give her is a ticket.
2014-07-18 06:22:48 PM  
1 vote:

redmid17: Cataholic: redmid17: jst3p: redmid17: MycroftHolmes: jshine: Looks like she had good reason to run from the cops - they're dangerous thugs with no self control and probably will not be held accountable for their actions.

If a suspect is unarmed and not fighting back and you put her in the hospital, you should be tried for assault - badge or no.

But if a suspect is resisting arrest, using force to control the suspect is appropriate.  So, go back and read the article and realize why you are wrong.

They didn't need to tackle her in the first place. They were responding to her responding to their escalation of the situation.

Again, she escalated the situation.

Yes she was an idiot for walking away, and the police got as heavy handed as they could. That's not something the police should be doing. If they can't or won't adequately judge a threat to themselves or the community, they shouldn't be trusted with a badge and a gun.

Anyone who runs from the police is a threat to the community.

Yes, 100% of the time, they are a danger.

Cataholic: redmid17: SubBass49: redmid17: More cops get killed by car accidents than get shot.

Probably because they're extra careful...you know, to avoid getting shot.  Kind of what we're talking about here, right?  Try to pay attention.

2013 was the safest year for cops since the 1950s. Assaults and murders have gone way down, especially over the last 20 years. They don't need to avoid being shot. People aren't out to kill cops like it's going out of style.

An aggressive adversarial stance on every single interaction they have with the populace is pants on head retarded.

"Hey, the way you guys are doing things is working...so you need to stop doing it."

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So, you really think that the way that police posture their interactions with the public and the outcomes of those interactions have no possibility of a causal relation?  Really?
2014-07-18 03:11:54 PM  
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redmid17: SubBass49: redmid17: More cops get killed by car accidents than get shot.

Probably because they're extra careful...you know, to avoid getting shot.  Kind of what we're talking about here, right?  Try to pay attention.

2013 was the safest year for cops since the 1950s. Assaults and murders have gone way down, especially over the last 20 years. They don't need to avoid being shot. People aren't out to kill cops like it's going out of style.

An aggressive adversarial stance on every single interaction they have with the populace is pants on head retarded.


"Hey, the way you guys are doing things is working...so you need to stop doing it."
2014-07-18 12:14:43 PM  
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vudukungfu: Perpetuous Procrastination: I've got money that says if there was video of this incident,

Funny you should mention that.
Video of the incident.


If this had been around yesterday the thread could have been a lot shorter.

She ran from the cops. They caught her, threw her to the ground and she continued to struggle once she was restrained. I see no excessive force on that video.
2014-07-18 10:21:47 AM  
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vudukungfu: Perpetuous Procrastination: I've got money that says if there was video of this incident,

Funny you should mention that.
Video of the incident.


There is nothing in that video that seems out of proportion.  I did not see any type of tackle, they just grabbed her arm and she kept running, so they spun her to the ground.  It is possible she was being punched behind the car, but she did not seem injured or dazed when they come out from behind the car (she is still struggling and fighting)

For the guys up thread who said that resistance was instinctive because of the beating, the video show that they had her restrained and then she is continuing to fight and breaks free.  The one strong takedown shown is after it appears she kicks hard at one of the officers.

And this may be subjective, but her shrieks did not sound like true distress to me, but more attention getting.  The video, does not match up with the way she is trying to portray the incident.  If anything, the officers showed restraint.
2014-07-17 08:59:43 PM  
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fredklein: jst3p:

That isn't what happened even by her own admission:

When they tried to go back to pick up a bag and a phone they left behind, they claim the officers tried to detain them.
Wright said she continued walking away from the officers, who then allegedly used force to stop her.


Try reading this part. You know, the part with the details:

...Wright admits she ran from officers.

"I was scared because of how he got out of the car. He didn't just walk out, he jumped out of the car and started chasing me, so my first instinct was to run," she said.

Wright also said she did resist officers once she was knocked to the ground. She said she was trying to get her arms free to protect herself.

The cops were in the car, talking to them. The officers "tried to detain them" by jumping out of the car and rushing towards them. She panicked and ran. They then "pounced on her, then started kicking her and pulling her hair."  And dared try to get her arms free to protect herself.


"I ran because I was scared" said every guy who ran and got caught on COPS. If she was so badly beat why does she have no injuries other then those you would expect on someone who resisted arrest?
2014-07-17 08:05:12 PM  
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fredklein: The Missing Link: Just curious, how do you know the police pulled her hair and stomped her?

Um...

"They both just tackled me to the ground and smashed my face into the ground with their feet and their legs. Then they started pulling my hair and pushing me and stuff, and I was screaming real loud," Wright said.

Her friends said they watched as officers used force to subdue her.

"(The officer) ran full force at her and she ran from him," said Destiny Hester. "They pounced on her, then started kicking her and pulling her hair."

"I hear her screaming, I run over there and she's on the ground. They're over there beating her up, kicking her, pulling her hair," said witness Bryon Clifford.

Not one, not two, but THREE witnesses.


Sorry, is it illegal to grab someone's hair when attempting to subdue them, now? I mean from the video, shes got quite a head of hair - it's not entirely unreasonable to believe as she's fighting with the police that they're grabbing for whatever they come in contact with first to control her. If that ends up being the hair, too farking bad, don't fight police (or better yet, don't attempt to flee them in the first place).

Like I pointed out in the pictures: she's so gravely wounded from having her face ground into the pavement, but not a single mark on it. Is she related to Wolverine or something? Mutant super healing powers? Or maybe she's full of shiat and exaggerating like she did about the whole "THEY WERE GONNA BEAT ME FOR HOURS!"

Her friends likely saw officers grabbing her in whatever manner was possible while she struggled (the hair), and them using their legs to pin her to the ground (kicking with feet and legs) and applying force to her upper back/neck to maximize control of her body (smashing face into ground).

Fun fact: kids exaggerate and see things as worse than they really are quite often, doesn't mean the witnesses are liars, just that things went quickly and use of a leg in any fashion is interpreted as "kick" later on.

Regardless, her "injuries" don't support her claims that she was "beaten" beyond the force necessary to subdue a fleeing, resisting person.

You're more of a hyperbalist than she is.
2014-07-17 07:54:17 PM  
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fredklein: The Missing Link: Just curious, how do you know the police pulled her hair and stomped her?

Um...

"They both just tackled me to the ground and smashed my face into the ground with their feet and their legs. Then they started pulling my hair and pushing me and stuff, and I was screaming real loud," Wright said.

Her friends said they watched as officers used force to subdue her.

"(The officer) ran full force at her and she ran from him," said Destiny Hester. "They pounced on her, then started kicking her and pulling her hair."

"I hear her screaming, I run over there and she's on the ground. They're over there beating her up, kicking her, pulling her hair," said witness Bryon Clifford.

Not one, not two, but THREE witnesses.


Certainly none of whom have any reason to tell stories about the police being heavy-handed...
2014-07-17 07:50:56 PM  
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fredklein: MycroftHolmes: Yes, she was takcled after she ran from the police. Can you suggest a different course of action?

1) Don't be so anal about curfew laws.

2) Don't jump out of the cruiser at a teen age girl... and then expect her not to react to your aggressive actions.

3) Don't kick and pull the hair of a teen age girl you're arresting.

4) Don't grind the face of the teen age girl into the ground,

5) Don't choke the teen age girl. ("Wright is now recovering in the hospital with injuries to her trachea, esophagus and neck")

How's that?


Yeah, just LOOK at these SIGNIFICANT DAMAGES. I mean, look at that face: completely wrecked from having her face "grinded" against the ground.

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A total thrashing, folks.

/"injury" doesn't mean severe. She's in the hospital playing it up because she's an AW trying to garner sympathy after acting a fool. If this goes to court, she'll lose her ass.
2014-07-17 07:35:19 PM  
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fredklein: jst3p:

That isn't what happened even by her own admission:

When they tried to go back to pick up a bag and a phone they left behind, they claim the officers tried to detain them.
Wright said she continued walking away from the officers, who then allegedly used force to stop her.


Try reading this part. You know, the part with the details:

...Wright admits she ran from officers.

"I was scared because of how he got out of the car. He didn't just walk out, he jumped out of the car and started chasing me, so my first instinct was to run," she said.

Wright also said she did resist officers once she was knocked to the ground. She said she was trying to get her arms free to protect herself.

The cops were in the car, talking to them. The officers "tried to detain them" by jumping out of the car and rushing towards them. She panicked and ran. They then "pounced on her, then started kicking her and pulling her hair."  And dared try to get her arms free to protect herself.


Derrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrp! Try some reading and timeline comprehension there, late-comer.

First:

"When they tried to go back to pick up a bag and a phone they left behind, they claim the officers tried to detain them."

Next: 

"Wright said she continued walking away from the officers, who then allegedly used force to stop her."

Her friends said they watched as officers used force to subdue her.  "(The officer) ran full force at her and she ran from him."

The article is pretty much in chronological order, and worse like "then" have a pretty specific meaning. You know, those  details you're so concerned about.
2014-07-17 06:58:06 PM  
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Nezorf: jst3p: Nezorf: They would not have needed to run after her and tackle her if she had not walked away from the cops.
Sounds kinda unreasonable doesn't it

Not at all. She was fleeing after being detained. That's an arresting.

Yep and they could have easily:
-arrested her and ticketed her without tackling. 
-told her to turn around and she might have.
-said "If you don't stop, I will tackle you and arrest you"
-convinced her to come back and told her "I could arrest you for that"
-walked up to her and talked to her
-walked towards her while saying "YOU NEED TO COME BACK"
-said "i have to arrest you for fleeing, but if you come nicely I won't have to tackle you and charge you with resisting arrest"
-said "Stop and come back right now or you will be going to jail tonight"
-said "you are detained, you are committing a crime by walking away and I will arrest you"
-said "I told you to stay, you are going to be arrested if you continue"

Lots of options that don't include tackling someone, but they skipped all of those and escalated the situation.

Well I guess we are just going to disagree on this because a police officer running and tackling someone for walking away without trying any other methods is completely unreasonable in my books.


All of the onus on the officers to give her 27 chances to not continue making stupid decisions rather than simply going with "she farked up from the get-go and it's her own damn fault."

There isn't going to be any agreeance here because you believe the police should shoulder all of the responsibility all of the time, even when they made multiple attempts to de-escalate the situation already.

Girl walks away? They should have told her she was detained. Told her she's detained? Should have told her again. Told her again? Say please this time. Said please but she keeps going? Pace her so as not to frighten her into running and plead with her to stop - it might work this time. Didn't work this time? Step in front of her (without picking up the pace so as to frighten her as eluded to before). She didn't stop? Grab her arm. She yanks away? Grab it again, say please this time. Still not working? fark it, let her go and get the info from her friends because we don't want to unncessarily escalate this.

Which party is being unreasonable again?
2014-07-17 06:54:09 PM  
1 vote:
Nezorf:Try this sentence
They would not have needed to run after her and tackle her if she had not walked away from the cops.
Sounds kinda unreasonable doesn't it


I've got money that says if there was video of this incident, the "aggressive" manner in which the cop exited the vehicle and chased after her was nothing more than a hurried opening of the door, the officer possibly using the door for a swing in momentum, and an elevated pace of movement to catch up to her, as opposed to throwing the door open and immediately charging like a bull at full speed to get her in a side-tackle for maximum damage. Notice there's no mention of damage to her ribs or back from a "tackle" as one might imagine in football.

The fact that she's already engaged in hyperbolic hysteria with her "I thought they would beat me for hours!" quip doesn't exactly do her much service as she tries to convince everyone she's a rational person capable of detailing what  actually took place without making it sound as dramatic as possible.
2014-07-17 06:34:36 PM  
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Nezorf: MY ONLY PROBLEM IS WITH THE POLICE OFFICERS DECISION TO ESCALATE.


The cops started out in their car.  She decided "screw them, I'm leaving".  That escalation is on her, not them.

Walking or not, she's fleeing.  So they chase her.  You seem to think that the cops need to talk quietly, avoid eye contact, and convince her to walk back to the car.  That's stupid.

When they got out of the car, she tried to run.  That's on her.

When they caught her, she tried to fight back.  That's on her.

Her own story is that she walked away, then when they got out to chase her she ran away, then when they caught her, she fought back.

They did not need to run after her and tackle her.

They would not have needed to run after her and tackle her if she had not tried to run from the cops. But she did.
2014-07-17 06:08:20 PM  
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Nezorf: Perpetuous Procrastination: Nezorf: We don't know how they tried to detain them, what they said, if they said "you are detained" or anything. 
We know nothing of how the police attempted to detain them or if they made it clear they couldn't leave. 
In the same paragraph as saying "we need to know all the facts" you are seemingly making up your own.

We know two facts, substantiated by the girl and her friends, that support her escalating this situation:

-" 'I was scared because of how he got out of the car. He didn't just walk out, he jumped out of the car and started chasing me, so my first instinct was to run,' she said."

So we know up until she started walking away, the officers were inside the car, which probably indicates they weren't being confrontational but simply questioning the group on their reasons for being out so late/where they were going. Seems reasonable to me.

-"When they tried to go back to pick up a bag and a phone they left behind, they claim the officers tried to detain them."

This is a pretty clear explanation - from the friends and girl themselves - that the police made it clear they were being detained, and thus were no longer free to leave. So 3 of them understood, clearly, that they were detained PRIOR TO the police chasing her down, but she didn't? That's some bullshiat no farmer is going to buy.

Ok. I don't 100% agree with your last point, but I'll give it to you. 
Now where is the fark the police and confrontational stuff?


I'm saying her decision to just up and walk away isn't a decision a rational, sane person makes. That's outright "zero farks given about you" attitude. The confrontational bit was in regards to the police speaking from inside of their cruiser. I don't know how many times you've been stopped, but generally when a cop stays in the car it's because the situation is calm and investigatory rather than suspicious and confrontational.

My point is that she had no reason to be scared (and admitted to not being worried about them), and should have been respectful enough to inform them of why she was walking away and then STOP when she was told to do so.

Is anyone here going to seriously contend that if they were in this situation, stopped by police under any circumstance, they're just going to turn their backs and walk away (even if you didn't know to ask about being free to go before now)? I mean, except for all the internet tough guys who would punch the cops in the face before walking off, that is.

/mostly kidding on that last piece
2014-07-17 05:58:14 PM  
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Nezorf: We don't know how they tried to detain them, what they said, if they said "you are detained" or anything. 
We know nothing of how the police attempted to detain them or if they made it clear they couldn't leave. 
In the same paragraph as saying "we need to know all the facts" you are seemingly making up your own.


We know two facts, substantiated by the girl and her friends, that support her escalating this situation:

-" 'I was scared because of how he got out of the car. He didn't just walk out, he jumped out of the car and started chasing me, so my first instinct was to run,' she said."

So we know up until she started walking away, the officers were inside the car, which probably indicates they weren't being confrontational but simply questioning the group on their reasons for being out so late/where they were going. Seems reasonable to me.

-"When they tried to go back to pick up a bag and a phone they left behind, they claim the officers tried to detain them."

This is a pretty clear explanation - from the friends and girl themselves - that the police made it clear they were being detained, and thus were no longer free to leave. So 3 of them understood, clearly, that they were detained PRIOR TO the police chasing her down, but she didn't? That's some bullshiat no farmer is going to buy.
2014-07-17 05:51:25 PM  
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Nezorf: MycroftHolmes: jst3p: Nezorf: jst3p: Nezorf: Yep, but they caused her to run.

No they didn't. It was a choice she made.


She made the decision to run but the cops made the decision to escalate it to that level.

I don't understand. If she made the decision to run she escalated the situation.

His argument is that if you ignore a police order, and then the police get out of their car and run after you, you have no choice but to run.  There is no other option, as the fact that they are running towards you means you have to run.  Had they not run at her, she would still have options.

Nope that is not my argument at all

Let me explain it this way

Police jump out of car, chase down and tackle an individual walking away from them
Police jump out of car, chase down and tackle an individual running away from them

Only one of those is not an appropriate response. 

The girl is a dumbass and I am in no way forgiving her for running from the cops. That's stupid as hell.

My only issue is with the police's decision to escalate the situation, which seems to happen a lot.


So, if I understand correctly, leaving the car in a manner suggestive that they were coming to apprehend her was inappropriate (no way she would know they were going to tackle her), even though she had ignored verbal commands to stop.  Not really sure what the police could have done at this point that you wouldn't consider escalating the situation.  They stop the group.  She decides to ignore their commands to stop, they exit the car and chase after her.  Not sure how their actions are forcing her to run.
2014-07-17 05:50:40 PM  
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tlars699: Stopping and asking questions=/=detaining=/=arresting.
If the cops were just lecturing them about curfew, why should she have to stay?
If the cops were issuing a citation, then she would be detained, but that isn't the same thing as arrest.
Walking away from being "detained" shouldn't equal "resisting arrest", particularly if it isn't clear what being detained means.


We don't have the nitty-gritty details about what was said by either party prior to her walking away, or even during her walking/running away, so none of those assumptions can be made.

The ACLU would like to inform you that "why should she have to stay" and simply walking away is wrong and not legally advisable:

"IF YOU ARE STOPPED FOR QUESTIONING
Stay calm. Don't run. Don't argue, resist or obstruct the police, even if you are innocent or police are violating your rights. Keep your hands where police can see them."

"Ask if you are free to leave. If the officer says yes, calmly and silently walk away. If you are under arrest, you have a right to know why."

https://www.aclu.org/drug-law-reform-immigrants-rights-racial-justic e/ know-your-rights-what-do-if-you

Similarly, they'd like you to know that resisting arrest is ill-advised:

"IF YOU FEEL YOUR RIGHTS HAVE BEEN VIOLATED
Remember: police misconduct cannot be challenged on the street.Don't physically resist officers or threaten to file a complaint."

The ACLU has a decent handle on this particular subject, I think. She failed 3/3, she's an idiot.
2014-07-17 05:44:00 PM  
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SubBass49: Nezorf: jst3p: Nezorf: jst3p: Nezorf: Yep, but they caused her to run.

No they didn't. It was a choice she made.


She made the decision to run but the cops made the decision to escalate it to that level.

I don't understand. If she made the decision to run she escalated the situation.

She ran when they ran to tackle bring her back. arrest her.
They ran to tackle bring her back  arrest herwhen she walked. 

Big difference in escalation

FTFY


Let's be real here, the tackle was going to happen at this point.
2014-07-17 05:35:55 PM  
1 vote:
I really would enjoy Fark adding a "Stupid" button for comments to sit there next to funny & smart.  There's some folks in here that would be racking up astronomical numbers of clicks.
2014-07-17 05:25:11 PM  
1 vote:

Headso: jst3p: I have no love for cops, just like I have little sympathy for anyone dumb enough to ignore lawful orders from a cop and then run away from them.

that's where we differ, I have no love for cops but I do have sympathy for anyone who is scared of them.


I don't think she was afraid of them soon enough.

"I didn't think cops would do that to me because I'm a girl. And I didn't have anything on me. I was just trying to walk away from the situation,"

...

"I was scared because of how he got out of the car. He didn't just walk out, he jumped out of the car and started chasing me, so my first instinct was to run," she said.

She went from "Whatever, they wont do shiat" to "shiat got real!" quickly.
2014-07-17 05:22:30 PM  
1 vote:

JuggleGeek: Obviously the cops overreacted.  And the initial problem was curfew, which I think is ridiculous anyway.  Seriously, if you're a cop and you see kids in the 17-18 year old range walking down the street eating ice cream, does that scream "Major Criminal Enterprise" to you?  There are real criminals out there, go deal with them.

But this is a basic life lesson.  When the cops stop you, running away is always a bad plan.

Once you make the cops chase you down, it's not going to end well.  Especially if they catch up to you and you start fighting.

None of that makes it okay for the cops to beat the crap out of her, but it's not at all surprising.


Here is the thing though, I haven't seen anything that really indicates they beat the crap out of her.
2014-07-17 05:20:20 PM  
1 vote:
Obviously the cops overreacted.  And the initial problem was curfew, which I think is ridiculous anyway.  Seriously, if you're a cop and you see kids in the 17-18 year old range walking down the street eating ice cream, does that scream "Major Criminal Enterprise" to you?  There are real criminals out there, go deal with them.

But this is a basic life lesson.  When the cops stop you, running away is always a bad plan.

Once you make the cops chase you down, it's not going to end well.  Especially if they catch up to you and you start fighting.

None of that makes it okay for the cops to beat the crap out of her, but it's not at all surprising.
2014-07-17 05:16:34 PM  
1 vote:

Headso: jst3p: Headso: Click Click D'oh: Headso: See how you have to say "running people"...


So, she wasn't running?

God this is confusing.

 heh, the police beating up a girl and being wrong about it confuses you.

Assumes facts not in evidence.

Hey Elliot Rodger, it might not be "fair" that a man beating up a girl is frowned upon but it is, unless you are on fark,com and that man is a cop.


I have no love for cops, just like I have little sympathy for anyone dumb enough to ignore lawful orders from a cop and then run away from them. As I said earlier, there isn't enough detail about her injuries to know if the force used was excessive, so far as I can tell they are consistent with injuries typically sustained while resisting arrest, which she admits she did.
2014-07-17 05:13:29 PM  
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redmid17: MycroftHolmes: I watch a lot of football.  Grabbing someone who is running IS tackling.

As to your second point, yeah, there is no chance that kids would just give a fake name or address, or that the kid would later deny being there period.

And it's not liable to make someone fall to the ground and get injuries bad enough to keep her overnight in a hospital


Really?  So if I am running away from you, and you run behind me and grab my shoulder, and I fall to the street, it isn't liable to cause injuries that could require hospitilization?  I am going to have to disagree with that.  Unless you are pretty well trained in how to fall safely, if someone upsets your balance while you are on a full, panicked run, and you fall in the street, it is very foreseeable that you are going to have injuries.


You have created all these other scenarios and hypotheticals, most of which aren't better than what the police actually did.  But you have never answered the fundamental question, which is this-Is chasing after a girl who is leaving a group that you have ordered to stay a reasonable thing to do, given the situation?  I know he could have chased her down in his car, or walked briskly in front of her, or called in for air support, or fired silly string at her...but is what he actually did unreasonable?  If so, why?
2014-07-17 05:07:46 PM  
1 vote:
I'm just glad these evil cops with xray vision knew that the girl running away wasn't carrying a gun or a pound of meth which caused her to decide to run away.
2014-07-17 05:06:31 PM  
1 vote:

jst3p: Nezorf: jst3p: Nezorf: MycroftHolmes: Nezorf: You would think that professional police officers would be trained in subduing techniques that don't include kicking, punching, or pulling hair.  A class in dispute negotiation or non violent mediation would be helpful too.

"You there running away, can we discuss your options?  We really should, hey slow down, look at different ways we can resolve this peacably.  Hey, let me catch up, let me make sure I understand your perspective so that we can find a mutually agreeable outcome.'

Not sure that this really works when someone is running.

And honestly, any use of force they tried would be criticized the same.  Use a nightstick, a tazer, a bean bag gun, whatever, the complaint would be the same.


I was mainly referring to the escalation by the police.
They knew they were escalating the situation by getting out of the car and should have done it in a way to not escalate it further.
Jumping out and running was an escalating move.

Assuming they instructed her first to not leave and then to come back what should they have done differently at this point?

According to her they got out of the car quickly and started towards her at a fast pace.
That was a mistake. They escalated the situation by acting in an aggressive manner.
They weren't trying to detain the kids and one kept walking.
Calmly get out and talk to her.
Maybe in a polite manner "miss, miss! I need you to stay here. We can get your stuff later. Please stop walking or I will have to handcuff you for resisting arrest."

Someone was walking away from them and the jumped out an ran at her. Escalation.

Assuming you meant "were", I don't see it that way.

They had detained the group. She wanted to leave, they informed the group that they were being detained and she ignored them.


So they jump out and run her down?
She was walking away and they jumped out and started to run after her.
If they were thinking in a de-escalation sense they would have gotten out of the car normally and walked towards her rather than run.
"I need you to stay here or I will have to arrest you" doesn't seem that far fetched

"I was scared because of how he got out of the car. He didn't just walk out, he jumped out of the car and started chasing me, so my first instinct was to run," she said.
The police escalated this situation by performing an unnecessary action.
2014-07-17 05:06:02 PM  
1 vote:

jst3p: redmid17: I feel like you're being deliberately obtuse. If you have the friends, you can get a name, probably an address.

You really think so?

I imagine it would work out like this:

"What was that young ladies name"
"Who?"
"The girl that walked away?"
"What girl are you talking about?"
"The girl in the white top and jean shorts, said she was going to get her bag and come back here remember?"
"Oh we don't know her, just met her tonight. I think her name is Jane or something."


Well considering that the police officers are empowered to take those kids to a curfew location center, they have a bit of leverage there.

"Okay, well since you don't know her, we'll have to take you to the detention facility for your parents to pick her up."

It shouldn't be difficult for an adult with any mental faculties to outsmart a teenager


.

Click Click D'oh: redmid17: She was walking. Drive down the street 100 ft. Get out, lock the door, and calmly walk up to her. Don't drive on the sidewalk over her.

I thought she was running a few moments ago?  This is getting so confusing.

Either way, what happens when the daffy innocent panic girl cuts in front of your cruiser?  Explain that one to the news media.


She was walking and started running when they sprinted out of their cruiser. That would seem to imply that she ran because she was scared of them (or had something to hide, which she didn't).

Letting one guy out to talk to the group and then driving a police car up the street isn't likely to elicit the same reaction, imo. Maybe I am incredibly naiive.  I don't know.
2014-07-17 05:04:08 PM  
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tlars699: jst3p: tlars699: I am not being intellecutally dishonest. First one thing happened, and then the next thing happened. One started, and caused the other to be set in motion.

Wrong again. The stop did not cause her to disregard the cop and walk (then run) away.  That was a decision she made. The fact that she walked (then ran) away did  cause the cops to use force though. That is how cause and effect actually work.

Also, it has been my position in the thread that  even if the police were right, that she technically had been resisting arrest, that they methods they used to stop her were far in excess.

You are entitled to your opinion, I can only fault you for being wrong about facts.

Yours  seems to be that it was okay, and she should have known better/expected it, despite not having been on the wrong side of the law prior.

She was on the wrong side of the law as soon as she ignored a lawful order.

The stop caused her to wait and reflect on her person, which caused her to think of her bag, which caused her to go back to the store and tell the group and cops where she was going and why, which caused the cops to get out of the car, which caused the girl to panic, and start running which caused the cops to tackle her...

/Which cause the house that Jack Built


That's the problem, you don't tell the cops what you are going to do. Now she knows better.

So, the stop over a violation of curfew led to the police using excessive force. It didn't have to, but it did.

By your logic her waking up and eating breakfast caused her to get a beating that day, hopefully you can see how wrong that is. The only thing that caused her to take a beating was her decision to break the law. The rest of it just happened before she took a beating.
2014-07-17 05:02:14 PM  
1 vote:

redmid17: If you have the friends, you can get a name, probably an address.


And why would they give you that?
2014-07-17 04:59:09 PM  
1 vote:

redmid17: I feel like you're being deliberately obtuse. If you have the friends, you can get a name, probably an address.


You really think so?

I imagine it would work out like this:

"What was that young ladies name"
"Who?"
"The girl that walked away?"
"What girl are you talking about?"
"The girl in the white top and jean shorts, said she was going to get her bag and come back here remember?"
"Oh we don't know her, just met her tonight. I think her name is Jane or something."
2014-07-17 04:55:10 PM  
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Click Click D'oh: MycroftHolmes: Just so you know, I agree with you, I was quoting Redmid from upthread when I asked him the same question

Yeah I know.  Just wanted to get the response in before it got lost in the clutter again.


I don't know about you, but grabbing someone and tackling someone look a lot different to me. Maybe I watch too much football or something.

Click Click D'oh: redmid17: Just issue her a ticket later and have a nice talk with her parents about the curfew.

Issue who a ticket?  You let her walk away.


I feel like you're being deliberately obtuse. If you have the friends, you can get a name, probably an address. Follow up at the parents house later, issue a ticket, and have a nice talk with them about curfew. That's even ignoring that she was ostensibly coming back to the group anyway once she retrieved the phone and purse.
2014-07-17 04:51:34 PM  
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Click Click D'oh: redmid17: ....and the other can take the car, drive it up the street, park it in front of the girl, and calmly address her.

Every agency I know of prohibits pursuit of a subject on foot with a patrol unit for a very good reason.


She was walking. Drive down the street 100 ft. Get out, lock the door, and calmly walk up to her. Don't drive on the sidewalk over her.

MycroftHolmes:
If pusuing someone on foot, They can likely change direction or go other places a lot more easily than a car.  Do you know what direction the car was facing relative to where she was walking?  If she was going to bolt because a cop was chasing her, what reason do you have to believe she wouldn't bolt when a cop started driving after her?

Yes and she was walking. Do you think someone is more likely to run with then see a car driving down the street or two armed men chasing her?
2014-07-17 04:47:37 PM  
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Click Click D'oh: redmid17: I'm saying that tackling her was *completely* unnecessary and the cops escalated a situation which, in no way shape or form, required it.

Since you've finally admitted she was running from the police, how would you have stopped her?  Assuming no feats of supernatural strength or speed.


Well you have her friends. You can get her name. Just issue her a ticket later and have a nice talk with her parents about the curfew. No injuries, no bad PR, and some revenue for the city.
2014-07-17 04:44:07 PM  
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redmid17: This might be rocket science, but one police officer can get out of the car and address the group, and the other can take the car, drive it up the street, park it in front of the girl, and calmly address her.

Stopping a group of teenagers with ice cream shouldn't end up with one of the teens in the hospital. At the very worst, they can get her name from her friends. Get in contact with the parents and issue a citation.

Is it really the best idea to use force to apprehend someone over a curfew violation? Yes she was leaving the scene. Hold her friends till she comes back. So many options and they picked the violent one.


Yep.  When you're trained to use a hammer and see that everyone else gets to use it without repercussions, everything is a nail.
2014-07-17 04:42:44 PM  
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Perpetuous Procrastination: redmid17: I never defended the girls action. I said that tackling and punching/kicking/hairpulling a 100 lb girl is a completely unnecessary escalation of the situation.

Right, you're an expert in forceless physical detention of a fleeing person who has displayed a propensity for ignoring lawful police commands.

And we all know 15-year-old friends of the "victim" will tell the truth and only the truth. You know, kids never lie about these things.

Or how pretty much any part of the body is fair game when attempting to control a physically resisting arrestee. Can I see the photos where she's got more than a neckbrace on which is standard issue for just about any level of neck pain upon hospital admittance? I'm certain there's gotta be some gruesome evidence of this solid asswhooping she received.

/HODOR HODOR!


This might be rocket science, but one police officer can get out of the car and address the group, and the other can take the car, drive it up the street, park it in front of the girl, and calmly address her.

Stopping a group of teenagers with ice cream shouldn't end up with one of the teens in the hospital. At the very worst, they can get her name from her friends. Get in contact with the parents and issue a citation.

Is it really the best idea to use force to apprehend someone over a curfew violation? Yes  she was leaving the scene. Hold her friends till she comes back. So many options and they picked the violent one.
2014-07-17 04:41:56 PM  
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Click Click D'oh: redmid17: I'm saying that tackling her was *completely* unnecessary and the cops escalated a situation which, in no way shape or form, required it.

Since you've finally admitted she was running from the police, how would you have stopped her?  Assuming no feats of supernatural strength or speed.


"Grab her arm, shoulder, or run in front of the walking teenager..."
2014-07-17 04:36:04 PM  
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redmid17: I never defended the girls action. I said that tackling and punching/kicking/hairpulling a 100 lb girl is a completely unnecessary escalation of the situation.


Right, you're an expert in forceless physical detention of a fleeing person who has displayed a propensity for ignoring lawful police commands.

And we all know 15-year-old friends of the "victim" will tell the truth and only the truth. You know, kids never lie about these things.

Or how pretty much any part of the body is fair game when attempting to control a physically resisting arrestee. Can I see the photos where she's got more than a neckbrace on which is standard issue for just about any level of neck pain upon hospital admittance? I'm certain there's gotta be some gruesome evidence of this solid asswhooping she received.

/HODOR HODOR!
2014-07-17 04:34:58 PM  
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Click Click D'oh: redmid17: She ran when they started running after her,

I'll have to remember that new legal justification.  Running from the police is legal if they are running too.  Nice.


redmid17: and considering the police said they tackled her, that's not exactly falling.

Most people do fall when tackled.  The ones that don't are the ones you should be afraid of.

redmid17: How far away do you think she got...

Far enough that they had to run to catch up to her apparently.


tlars699: Which was caused by what exactly? A violation of curfew? So a violation of curfew led to police officers using excessive force? Gee, it's like a sequence of events matters.

As explained above, in the event of a use of force, only the actual actions at the moment of the use of force matter.  So no, it's immaterial to the justification of the use of force if the person was initially stopped for curfew, jaywalking or mass murder.


Once again, not defending her actions. I'm saying that tackling her was *completely* unnecessary and the cops escalated a situation which, in no way shape or form, required it.
2014-07-17 04:34:10 PM  
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WhyteRaven74: SubBass49: Oh shiat...you were there??? Why didn't you get video so we could put this all to rest?

I'm still trying to figure out why the cops were even stopping the kids. It's not like it was 1AM.


So you missed the part where the article specifies that the curfew in That town for teenagers is 10pm.  1am is 3 hours past Their curfew.  And 1am would probably result in multiple bullets missing her and hitting elderly neighbors. Try to read the whole thing will ya?
2014-07-17 04:30:56 PM  
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redmid17: SubBass49: redmid17: More cops get killed by car accidents than get shot.

Probably because they're extra careful...you know, to avoid getting shot.  Kind of what we're talking about here, right?  Try to pay attention.

2013 was the safest year for cops since the 1950s. Assaults and murders have gone way down, especially over the last 20 years. They don't need to avoid being shot. People aren't out to kill cops like it's going out of style.

An aggressive adversarial stance on every single interaction they have with the populace is pants on head retarded.


The families of a couple of Las Vegas cops might disagree with you.
2014-07-17 04:30:42 PM  
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Click Click D'oh: redmid17: It's not as if she was running.

redmid17: he didn't start running until they got out of the car..

I'm getting dizzy now...


You do realize events happen in a progession and time is linear? One can walk and then run.

SubBass49:

And then the extra-stupid arrived.

Yes, if there is anything I have ever been accused of consistently, it's being extra stupid. My certificate of non-donkey brain is apparently expired.

Perpetuous Procrastination:

I like how you continue to act as though there's a legal difference between "walking away from police who are actively attempting to detain you" and "running away after they start chasing you because of the former."

Newsflash, Sparky: both are ignoring a lawful police order and are probable cause for arrest. Please, continue to skip over the important initial escalation (the girl actively disobeying police who were, based on what this story is telling us, merely attempting to contact and shuffle them on their way) and right to the part where you can spin it against the cops and not the moron who ignored their lawful orders.

/HODOR


I never defended the girls action. I said that tackling and punching/kicking/hairpulling a 100 lb girl is a completely unnecessary escalation of the situation.
2014-07-17 04:27:18 PM  
1 vote:

WhyteRaven74: Has anyone answered why were the cops even wasting their time with the curfew issue since it wasn't like 1AM?


Probably because their curfew in their town is 10?
2014-07-17 04:23:55 PM  
1 vote:

redmid17: SubBass49: WhyteRaven74: Or the cops could've looked at the time and decided it wasn't worth the trouble and gone on their way. The way most cops do. I've never actually met a cop who thought curfew violations were worth the trouble. At most they just tell kids to go home and leave it at that.

It's likely they would have told them to go home, but then she took off running.  She didn't give them the opportunity to be cool.  BTW...take a quick peek at the street they were on, and tell me if you'd want packs of kids roaming there after 10pm...looks pretty sketchy to me...

She didn't start running until they got out of the car... I was unaware that telling a bunch of kids to "go home" requires more than rolling down a window and yelling "Get home already. It's past curfew."


I like how you continue to act as though there's a legal difference between "walking away from police who are actively attempting to detain you" and "running away after they start chasing you because of the former."

Newsflash, Sparky: both are ignoring a lawful police order and are probable cause for arrest. Please, continue to skip over the important initial escalation (the girl actively disobeying police who were, based on what this story is telling us, merely attempting to contact and shuffle them on their way) and right to the part where you can spin it against the cops and not the moron who ignored their lawful orders.

/HODOR
2014-07-17 04:20:20 PM  
1 vote:

tlars699: You, however, still think that it's okay for trained professionals to beat up a minor just because they were out past 10 p.m..


Dude, you can have a different opinion on the matter, even if its not substantiated in law or the actual circumstances. But stop with the disingenuous (actually pretty close to outright lie) that she was "beat up for being out past curfew." That's a gross oversimplification of the situation and you know it. It serves no purpose in the discussion and it really only works to confirm that many of the cop-haters around here don't actually give a flying fark about facts, just emotional, knee-jerk rhetoric.
2014-07-17 04:13:23 PM  
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SubBass49: It was after curfew. Their job is to enforce the law, so they did. They see a group of kids out after curfew, they stop them, one runs and gets tackled.


Or the cops could've looked at the time and decided it wasn't worth the trouble and gone on their way. The way most cops do. I've never actually met a cop who thought curfew violations were worth the trouble. At most they just tell kids to go home and leave it at that.

Bit'O'Gristle: Good, maybe she will keep her stupid ass named self home before curfew and not run from the police.


Perhaps we should be asking what sort of idiots make a curfew ordinance at 10PM, especially one that applies to 17 year olds.
2014-07-17 04:08:52 PM  
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redmid17: I don't know how many times I need to repeat this, they didn't have to tackle her. They did.


That's a judgement you can't honestly make.

redmid17: Other than the witness talking about hair pulling, kicking and punching...


Actions that could easily be confused for officers trying to grab her arms.
2014-07-17 04:04:07 PM  
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kosherkow: cops put a 17 year old, 100lb girl, in the hospital for a curfew violation and that's ok?

pathetic on the cops and only shows poor training if this is the way they have to apprehend someone with such a size disadvantage.

all of you in support of these LEOs are awful human beings


The use of force was not related to the curfew violation at all.  Do you honestly not get that?
2014-07-17 04:02:12 PM  
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Headso: MycroftHolmes: Headso: MycroftHolmes: Headso: MycroftHolmes: Characterizing these actions as psycho is unsubstantiated by the description of the events.  Unless you make the assumption that all LEO are psycho, which would be a ridiculously silly assumption to make.

some grown man aggressively running at a teenager girl and then tackling her and beating her are the actions of a psycho so I am going by just this guy's actions. that said there's enough stories of the police beating up children, deaf people, blind people, old people, people in wheelchairs, people in diabetic shock, people with mental disabilities that the odds are good enough the one you are dealing with might be one of those countless police officers and if someone panics and runs from that IMO I can't blame them.

Wow, so she knew he was a psycho and ran from them because they knew what he was about to do if she ran?  amazing.

I would be willing to bet large amounts of money that 99% or more of daily interactions with police do not result in a beating.

No, I am suggesting she believed he might be a psycho because of the constant stories of police brutality sunk in to her subconscious and then when he beat her to the point of being hospitalized her belief was proven correct.

Got it.  She was justified in running from police because of the sensationalist nature of press, and this invalidates the need to restrain her when she was running.

Actually, no, I don't get it.  I think your argument is just boiling down to 'Cops bad'.

Based on the fact that she was personally beaten by the police I don't think she'd call stories of police brutality "sensationalism". You're the only one saying she was justified in running, I am just saying it is understandable to run from someone you associate with beating defenseless people.  Where we disagree is you believe it is fine to beat up a teenage girl in this scenario and I don't.


She was beaten because she ran and then resisted arrest.  These are both by her own description of events.  Until I see a video showing the excessive force of the 'beating' I will withhold judgement.  Where we disagree is whether or not the force used to restrain a running and resisting suspect will functionally resemble a beating.

And I doubt your logic that she was terrified of the cops.  If that was the case, she wouldn't have ignored them in the first place when they attempted to detain her, or she would have run from the outset.  Your argument just doesn't really make much sense.
2014-07-17 04:00:12 PM  
1 vote:
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2014-07-17 03:57:23 PM  
1 vote:
Just curious... if the cops in question are such violent, racist, infants with god-complexes and guns ... why wasn't the rest of her group beaten and arrested, too?  Could it be that they complied?  They didn't mouth off, they didn't leave the scene, they didn't fight back?

Everyone saying "She didn't deserve to get beaten over a curfew violation" is, at best, being disingenuous and at worst, knowingly trolling and making the discussion worse.  She did NOT get beaten for breaking curfew.  She did NOT get beaten for walking away.  She got beaten for resisting arrest.  The immediate cause of her bruises and scuffs was the resisting.

As stated in my first paragraph, if curfew was the reason for beating kids, then her entire group (or at least the other young woman that was with them (if you believe the cops were just out to beat people who are smaller than them) would be beaten as well.  But no, those kids made the best decision when presented with the "We're breaking curfew and the cops caught us."  They shut their mouths, listened to the police (who didn't even need to get out of their car at that point) and followed instructions.  She started the chain of events that lead to her ending up in the hospital and managed to escalate the situation with every poor decision she made after contact.  If she stops from the beginning, she gets off with nothing, like her friends.  She stops when walking away, the cops get upset, but she doesn't get tackled (scrapes on elbows, hands, and knees).  She doesn't resist after being tackled, she doesn't get throat and rib damage (choke holds and knees/kicks to the ribs to take the wind out of the subject and force compliance).  Again, at EVERY stage, SHE is the active decision maker that escalates the interaction to the next level.

It's unfortunate that she got scuffed up, it really is, but she has no one to blame but herself and her poor decision making skills.
2014-07-17 03:55:52 PM  
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Secret Master of All Flatulence: redmid17: Secret Master of All Flatulence: Nope.   Of course, the arrestee here wasn't "unlawfully, but peacefully".She knew or should have known that she wasn't free to leave.  She ran.  They chased.  She was stopped, and resisted with force.  She got beat on until she was cuffed.  End of story.  Now, if she was laying still on the ground with her arms cuffed behind her back, and a bunch of Officers then decided to put the boot in, THAT would be unreasonable.

That's a splendid misreading of the article.

FTFA:

"Wright said she and her friends were walking home from the Soft Serve and Dee-Lites ice cream shop on Miller Avenue when they were stopped by officers for being out after curfew. When they tried to go back to pick up a bag and a phone they left behind, they claim the officers tried to detain them.
Wright said she continued walking away from the officers, who then allegedly used force to stop her."

Cops stop group.  She tries to walk away. Cops pursue. She runs.  Cops chase, stop her.  She forcibly resists arrest.  They forcefully subdue her.

Please note:  This is what HER side says happens, and they are most likely to paint things in the best light for her.

/Move along, nothing to see here.


Where was the "forcibly resists arrest" part in the account?

She ran, the cops tackled and proceeded to beat the shiat out of her for contempt of cop. This isn't rocket science.

She was stupid for running, but what many of us now consider a "reasonable use of force" by police is staggering to me.

It's kind of cyclical. Shiat like this is why people run from cops, this is why no one trusts cops. At any moment a cop is around you, they can beat the shiat out of you legally and make up the reason later. Half the populace will then cheer them for doing so.
2014-07-17 03:55:48 PM  
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Click Click D'oh: redmid17: They are just usually hammered drunk, attacked someone, or gave the cops a legitimate reason to use lots of force.

Or, they landed wrong on pavement being tackled at the end of a pursuit and no other force was used at all.  Because pavement hurts,  Since we don't know the actual extent of this persons injuries, it seems a bit premature to assume excessive force was used.


Other than the witness talking about hair pulling, kicking and punching...
2014-07-17 03:54:13 PM  
1 vote:
Has anyone answered why were the cops even wasting their time with the curfew issue since it wasn't like 1AM?
2014-07-17 03:50:06 PM  
1 vote:

redmid17: Secret Master of All Flatulence: Nope.   Of course, the arrestee here wasn't "unlawfully, but peacefully".She knew or should have known that she wasn't free to leave.  She ran.  They chased.  She was stopped, and resisted with force.  She got beat on until she was cuffed.  End of story.  Now, if she was laying still on the ground with her arms cuffed behind her back, and a bunch of Officers then decided to put the boot in, THAT would be unreasonable.

That's a splendid misreading of the article.


FTFA:

"Wright said she and her friends were walking home from the Soft Serve and Dee-Lites ice cream shop on Miller Avenue when they were stopped by officers for being out after curfew. When they tried to go back to pick up a bag and a phone they left behind, they claim the officers tried to detain them.
Wright said she continued walking away from the officers, who then allegedly used force to stop her."


Cops stop group.  She tries to walk away. Cops pursue. She runs.  Cops chase, stop her.  She forcibly resists arrest.  They forcefully subdue her.

Please note:  This is what HER side says happens, and they are most likely to paint things in the best light for her.

/Move along, nothing to see here.
2014-07-17 03:46:50 PM  
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tlars699: jst3p: tlars699: Click Click D'oh: tlars699: DUE PROCESS.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eighth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_C on stitution
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miranda_warning

Jeebus, are we really that far gone?!

Where in any of those links does it say that there is no arrest without a reading of the Miranda Rights first?

Exact quotes please.

I'll wait.

Fair enough. It says Miranda Rights must be read when in custody, and being questioned. My previous understanding was or, which was wrong.

However:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_arrest
A police officer, or a person authorized by a jurisdiction's police powers act, may arrest anyone whom the officer has reasonable or probable cause to believe has commiteed any criminal offence.
 However, in the case of a misdemanor, offence, or non-criminal offence (such as a municipalby-law offence) the officer may arrest the suspect only long enough toidentify the suspect and give the suspect a summons to appear in court, unless there is reason to believe they will not appear in answer to the summons

If they knew who she was, and had taken her name down, there would be no reason to further restrain her.

You just don't stop with the stupid, do you? Disobeying his lawful order to "get back here" is resisting arrest, a criminal offense.

Once again, you are completely wrong.

Article says what now? It just says "They were told they were being detained" while the one girl walked far enough away in the meantime, and she didn't stop right away? Oh, okay, I may not be "completely wrong"

Cop saying inside a vehicle to "tell your friend to get back here, we're not done talking here" and then running to go beat her up, is not the same as yelling at the girl to "Stop! You need to stay here while we file a report!"


Here is what the article says:

When they tried to go back to pick up a bag and a phone they left behind, they claim the officers tried to detain them.
Wright said she continued walking away from the officers, who then allegedly used force to stop her.


Someone said, "Can we go back and get our stuff?" Cop said "No, you are being detained." She ignores them and keeps walking.

Yes, you are completely wrong even by HER account.
2014-07-17 03:41:16 PM  
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redmid17: jst3p: redmid17: jst3p: redmid17: jst3p: redmid17: Does anyone seriously think this: "THE OFFICERS HANDCUFFED HER DAUGHTER, AND PLANNED TO PUT HER IN A DETENTION CENTER, UNTIL DOCTORS TOLD THEM HER INJURIES WERE TOO SEVERE." is an acceptable outcome for unlawfully, but peacefully, ignoring a police command to stop?

Not only is it acceptable, it is entirely predictable.


I'd give you predictable, but not acceptable. How is that even remotely acceptable?

Cops are assholes but they have a rough job. Once someone has shown they aren't going to cooperate they need to get things under control quickly for their own safety. Sometimes people are going to get hurt.

What imminent threat was this 17 year old girl presenting to them? I'm not talking conceptually. I'm talking about this specific incident.

In the moment, the cop has no idea what threat she could present. She could be carrying a weapon.

She could be about to spontaneously combust. If you have no reason to suspect that, there's no reason to use that much force. They were stopped for violating curfew with ice cream in their hands. Once again, how is that a remotely reasonable assumption?


I don't fault cops for operating under that assumption 100% of the time when someone is not cooperative. They only have to be wrong once to end up dead.
2014-07-17 03:39:54 PM  
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tlars699: She didn't just start running, she was walking first, and if the police officers had just asked her to stop without leaping out of their vehicle, or jeebus, driving up to her with the lights on, she probably would have stopped and given explanation.


That is her version. How much you want to bet in the report he states that in a loud clear voice he instructed her to stop and she ignored his command?
2014-07-17 03:39:06 PM  
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redmid17: Cops escalate the situation from non-violence to violence and stomp someone hundreds of times every day?


If that's the way you wish to read my response, I can't stop that. It's clearly not what I meant.  What I was commenting on was the big bold part you wrote:

"THE OFFICERS HANDCUFFED HER DAUGHTER, AND PLANNED TO PUT HER IN A DETENTION CENTER, UNTIL DOCTORS TOLD THEM HER INJURIES WERE TOO SEVERE "

Yes, hundreds of times per day officers take into custody suspects who are in some way injured during their altercations with police and those suspects end up going to seek medical care instead of straight to jail.

I still fail to see anything special about this incident.  Without a detailed accounting of her injuries I don't see anything that isn't inline with a forcible take down and handcuffing.
2014-07-17 03:36:32 PM  
1 vote:

Headso: MycroftHolmes: Characterizing these actions as psycho is unsubstantiated by the description of the events.  Unless you make the assumption that all LEO are psycho, which would be a ridiculously silly assumption to make.

some grown man aggressively running at a teenager girl and then tackling her and beating her are the actions of a psycho so I am going by just this guy's actions. that said there's enough stories of the police beating up children, deaf people, blind people, old people, people in wheelchairs, people in diabetic shock, people with mental disabilities that the odds are good enough the one you are dealing with might be one of those countless police officers and if someone panics and runs from that IMO I can't blame them.


Wow, so she knew he was a psycho and ran from them because they knew what he was about to do if she ran?  amazing.

I would be willing to bet large amounts of money that 99% or more of daily interactions with police do not result in a beating.
2014-07-17 03:36:04 PM  
1 vote:

redmid17: jst3p: redmid17: jst3p: redmid17: Does anyone seriously think this: "THE OFFICERS HANDCUFFED HER DAUGHTER, AND PLANNED TO PUT HER IN A DETENTION CENTER, UNTIL DOCTORS TOLD THEM HER INJURIES WERE TOO SEVERE." is an acceptable outcome for unlawfully, but peacefully, ignoring a police command to stop?

Not only is it acceptable, it is entirely predictable.


I'd give you predictable, but not acceptable. How is that even remotely acceptable?

Cops are assholes but they have a rough job. Once someone has shown they aren't going to cooperate they need to get things under control quickly for their own safety. Sometimes people are going to get hurt.

What imminent threat was this 17 year old girl presenting to them? I'm not talking conceptually. I'm talking about this specific incident.


In the moment, the cop has no idea what threat she could present. She could be carrying a weapon.
2014-07-17 03:33:39 PM  
1 vote:

redmid17: jst3p: redmid17: Does anyone seriously think this: "THE OFFICERS HANDCUFFED HER DAUGHTER, AND PLANNED TO PUT HER IN A DETENTION CENTER, UNTIL DOCTORS TOLD THEM HER INJURIES WERE TOO SEVERE." is an acceptable outcome for unlawfully, but peacefully, ignoring a police command to stop?

Not only is it acceptable, it is entirely predictable.


I'd give you predictable, but not acceptable. How is that even remotely acceptable?


Cops are assholes but they have a rough job. Once someone has shown they aren't going to cooperate they need to get things under control quickly for their own safety. Sometimes people are going to get hurt.
2014-07-17 03:32:01 PM  
1 vote:

tlars699: Click Click D'oh: tlars699: DUE PROCESS.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eighth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_C on stitution
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miranda_warning

Jeebus, are we really that far gone?!

Where in any of those links does it say that there is no arrest without a reading of the Miranda Rights first?

Exact quotes please.

I'll wait.

Fair enough. It says Miranda Rights must be read when in custody, and being questioned. My previous understanding was or, which was wrong.

However:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_arrest
A police officer, or a person authorized by a jurisdiction's police powers act, may arrest anyone whom the officer has reasonable or probable cause to believe has commiteed any criminal offence.
 However, in the case of a misdemanor, offence, or non-criminal offence (such as a municipalby-law offence) the officer may arrest the suspect only long enough toidentify the suspect and give the suspect a summons to appear in court, unless there is reason to believe they will not appear in answer to the summons

If they knew who she was, and had taken her name down, there would be no reason to further restrain her.


You just don't stop with the stupid, do you? Disobeying his lawful order to "get back here" is resisting arrest, a criminal offense.

Once again, you are completely wrong.
2014-07-17 03:02:51 PM  
1 vote:
The Missing Link:  No matter what color you are, if a cop stops you and asks some questions, just stop and answer them.

Personally, I prefer not to answer substantive questions without having an attorney present.  Be nice.  Be polite.  Cooperate physically.  Don't lie to them.  Take the ticket.  Hire a good attorney.  Show up for court.  If you haven't done anything wrong, have your attorney figuratively beat the cop's ass in court.
2014-07-17 03:01:17 PM  
1 vote:

SubBass49: Rindred: Curfew laws are lazy law enforcement that dovetails with harsh drug possession laws. Sibce it's too much work to investigate and prosecute drug gangs with serious laws, these two shortcuts bypasses all that noise.

First, you (a cop) use the curfew law as an excuse to stop youthful-looking blah persons to ask for ID (to make sure they're not curfew-breaking juvies). While they rifle through their clothing and bags, you keep an eye open for weapons, drug paraphenalia, or "the smell of pot on their person." If you don't like their attitude, you can use any of these pretenses to rattle their cage about being arrested; if you actually spot something, then you get to send a potential gang member to jail for thoughtcrime. It's a win-win, if you like the prison-industrial complex.

There may be places where that's the case, but around my neighborhood I'm very glad the curfew law exists, because we have roaming packs of White tweakers that like to steal everything that isn't tied down.  Curfew laws give the cops and excuse to stop them and ask what's in their backpacks (usually burglary tools and car parts, various electronics, etc.)


I live in an area with nothing but trailer trash tweakers; whether on crystal meth or heroin - they pretty much steal ANYTHING they can get their hands on - ironically they rather smash and grab across the town at a local business; then my Shop which is smack dab in the middle of Meth capitol of florida. I Have no clue why they haven't hit me yet, any day now I guess. Worse part is the parents that are already hooked on this shiat; have their 13-15 yr old KIDS going out and stealing stuff. Doesn't matter whether its a $1 ceramic garden gnome, it will get jacked for dope cash.
2014-07-17 02:57:22 PM  
1 vote:
So the cops get out of the car to talk with a group of teenagers, teenagers run, then when caught teenagers resist and give the cops attitude.

First, how do the cops know that the teenagers are not armed? Second, how do the cops know that the teenagers did not just rob a grocery store and kill someone?

Why run? Why resist? If these teenagers did just kill someone, you same people would be all of the cops for not doing there jobs and for letting the killers go when they had a chance to bring them in.

No matter what color you are, if a cop stops you and asks some questions, just stop and answer them.
2014-07-17 02:56:32 PM  
1 vote:

redmid17: jst3p: redmid17: jst3p: tlars699: Trying to pull your arms away from behind your back, so you can put them up in front of your face, or stop your face from grinding into asphalt =/= fighting the police.

Defending your body from harm =/= fighting

It's pretty hard to resist instinct and just go limp and take it.

All correct, but the first example is the very definition of resisting arrest. And it will cause officers to use more force 100% of the time.

Which the police caused by tackling her in the first place. It's almost like they are doing it on purpose or are too dumb to realize cause/effect.

I have no doubt when the asshole saw her continue walking away after he told her to come back he got a hard and thought to himself "somebody gonna get hurt real bad!"

That being said, he was legally in the clear.

Probably, but they definitely jumped up as high as they could on the force continuum. God forbid they grab her instead of tackling her or position themselves in front of her before using force.


Not even close. They just taught her a lesson. When they want to come down hard they come down a lot harder than she got.

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2014-07-17 02:56:08 PM  
1 vote:

jst3p: I alone am best: Click Click D'oh: tlars699: Also, if she was just tackled without being recited her Miranda rights at the same time, then they were just assaulting her.

Stop making crap up.  Miranda rights only pertain to questioning and gathering of testimonial evidence.  It has nothing to do with an actual arrest.  If a police officer says "Stop", you have been legally arrested.

No, he has not arrested you. You have been detained. There is a big difference.

That doesn't come close to making his retarded statement correct.

Also, if she was just tackled without being recited her Miranda rights at the same time, then they were just assaulting her.

I am still laughing.


Yeah, this is fark. I have learned when it comes to the law people that hate cops know nothing about it.

/Dont like cops
//Thats why I know my rights.
2014-07-17 02:46:56 PM  
1 vote:
Curfew laws are lazy law enforcement that dovetails with harsh drug possession laws. Sibce it's too much work to investigate and prosecute drug gangs with serious laws, these two shortcuts bypasses all that noise.

First, you (a cop) use the curfew law as an excuse to stop youthful-looking blah persons to ask for ID (to make sure they're not curfew-breaking juvies). While they rifle through their clothing and bags, you keep an eye open for weapons, drug paraphenalia, or "the smell of pot on their person." If you don't like their attitude, you can use any of these pretenses to rattle their cage about being arrested; if you actually spot something, then you get to send a potential gang member to jail for thoughtcrime. It's a win-win, if you like the prison-industrial complex.
2014-07-17 02:43:51 PM  
1 vote:

jst3p: tlars699: Trying to pull your arms away from behind your back, so you can put them up in front of your face, or stop your face from grinding into asphalt =/= fighting the police.

Defending your body from harm =/= fighting

It's pretty hard to resist instinct and just go limp and take it.

All correct, but the first example is the very definition of resisting arrest. And it will cause officers to use more force 100% of the time.


Which the police caused by tackling her in the first place. It's almost like they are doing it on purpose or are too dumb to realize cause/effect.
2014-07-17 02:42:31 PM  
1 vote:

Rincewind53: vernonFL: She was out after curfew, ran from police and resisted arrest.

Her mother should *also* be beaten for naming her daughter Merceedez.

Fun fact, curfew violation is a misdemeanor, meaning cops likely couldn't even  arrest her for it. Legally the most they could give her is a ticket.


Atwater v. City of Lago Vista says you can be arrested for anything. More bad legal advice corrected on Fark. Its almost a full time job.
2014-07-17 02:40:08 PM  
1 vote:

tlars699: jst3p: tlars699: Trying to pull your arms away from behind your back, so you can put them up in front of your face, or stop your face from grinding into asphalt =/= fighting the police.

Defending your body from harm =/= fighting

It's pretty hard to resist instinct and just go limp and take it.

All correct, but the first example is the very definition of resisting arrest. And it will cause officers to use more force 100% of the time.

Techinically correct(best kind), but the police are trying to say she was resisting prior to that.


If the cops say "get back here" and you don't you are resisting arrest without violence.

Also, if she was just tackled without being recited her Miranda rights at the same time, then they were just assaulting her.

BWAHAHAHAHAH! No. Miranda needs to be read before any questioning after arrest. Not while being tackled for running away.

Also it shouldn't be expected to have your hair pulled, and your face and neck ground into pavement by police boots in order to get your hands tied down. Dislocated shoulder? Maybe.

You have no idea what you are talking about.
2014-07-17 02:37:02 PM  
1 vote:

jst3p: That wasn't a decision made under the stress of a large man running at her. That was the decision of a punk kid with an attitude disrespecting the cops. That is what provoked him to jump out of his car and chase her down


This guy can't even keep a level head when a teenage girl is impudent so he chases her down and beats her to the point she has to go to the hospital and you deem that to be her fault. Look no further as to why America has roid raging military style police and the highest incarceration rates in the world, many Americans support it.
2014-07-17 02:30:21 PM  
1 vote:
A curfew? Okay...maybe. But 10pm??? Seriously: 10pm???  This time of year that's about one hour after sunset. Make it 1am if you want a curfew; let's be reasonable, here.
2014-07-17 02:29:22 PM  
1 vote:

Headso: jst3p: Headso: jst3p: Headso: jst3p: Why did he do that?

based on the story it was to beat up a teenage girl

Fair enough. According to her account it was because she just decided to walk away from the police while they were talking to her. I bet when we hear the cops account it will include the fact that he verbally instructed her to stop several times. Even if the truth is halfway between those two she made a bad decision.

Just like if she was victimized by another group of thugs it was more about bad luck than bad decision, if these thugs never happened to drive by she would have not had her throat stomped on.

Nope, running from cops is not bad luck, it is a bad decision. She owns it.

similar to how running from someone who is just trying to mug you or running from a bear or is probably a bad decision  but understandable in a panic scenario. You're essentially blaming the victim for not keeping her cool while being victimized.



As near as I can tell the cops were trying to talk to her as part of the group and she decided that she was done with the conversation and started to walk away from them.

When they tried to go back to pick up a bag and a phone they left behind, they claim the officers tried to detain them.
Wright said she continued walking away from the officers, who then allegedly used force to stop her.



That wasn't a decision made under the stress of a large man running at her. That was the decision of a punk kid with an attitude disrespecting the cops. That is what provoked him to jump out of his car and chase her down.
2014-07-17 02:25:44 PM  
1 vote:

jst3p: Headso: jst3p: Headso: jst3p: Why did he do that?

based on the story it was to beat up a teenage girl

Fair enough. According to her account it was because she just decided to walk away from the police while they were talking to her. I bet when we hear the cops account it will include the fact that he verbally instructed her to stop several times. Even if the truth is halfway between those two she made a bad decision.

Just like if she was victimized by another group of thugs it was more about bad luck than bad decision, if these thugs never happened to drive by she would have not had her throat stomped on.

Nope, running from cops is not bad luck, it is a bad decision. She owns it.


similar to how running from someone who is just trying to mug you or running from a bear or is probably a bad decision  but understandable in a panic scenario. You're essentially blaming the victim for not keeping her cool while being victimized.
2014-07-17 02:23:14 PM  
1 vote:

tlars699: Trying to pull your arms away from behind your back, so you can put them up in front of your face, or stop your face from grinding into asphalt =/= fighting the police.

Defending your body from harm =/= fighting

It's pretty hard to resist instinct and just go limp and take it.


All correct, but the first example is the very definition of resisting arrest. And it will cause officers to use more force 100% of the time.
2014-07-17 02:21:52 PM  
1 vote:

Jaden Smith First of His Name: It must be awful having to spell out your attractive and successful first name for everything. Or imagine being a teacher for an inner-city school: "Yunique, can you answer this question? No, not the Yunique with two E's. No, not you either, one that ends with a K."


In one class two years ago I had a Kaylie, Kalee, Halie,and Hayleigh.
Seriously, in one class of 36 kids.  The stupid is on both sides of the racial divide.
2014-07-17 02:21:48 PM  
1 vote:

tlars699: The_Original_Roxtar: Merceedez is one of my favorite geermun car brands.
I also like BMUU, Poorshuh, and Owdie.

also LOL at "I didn't think cops would do that to me because I'm a girl1. And I didn't have anything on me2. I was just trying to walk away from the situation3,"

1: females are often criminals too
2: they had no way of knowing that (but you gave them reason to suspect you did because of 3 below)
3: this is called resisting arrest... it makes cops mad.

She was literally walking away from two cops talking to a group from their car, otherwise doing nothing.

 Nobody was "detained" until she started walking away.
She kept walking, looked back to see why Destiny wasn't following her to the shop like she thought, and sees two grown men twice her size leap out of their vehicles, and start pell-mell chasing her down.

Would you run? Or would you stop, and get clothes lined, and then beaten?

I would like to think I would run and go lie down on the grass next to the road and say things like "Whoa! What's going on now?" and then be put under arrest, hopefully minimizing the damage to things like my throat and tracheae, but I can't really say I'm that mindful all the time.


If it's past curfew (which is a reasonable law in many locations) and the police stop you, you are legally under arrest at that point and don't have the right to "walk away" whenever you please, especially when the cops are talking to you about said curfew violation.

The details are sparse and one-sided here, of course, but the girl admits to walking/running away _BEFORE_ the police chased after her, which means she was almost certainly ignoring a lawful command and that means they've now got reason to physically stop/arrest you. The line about "the cop got out of the car in such a way that I was sooooo scared I had to run" is horseshiat - don't farking walk away in the first place and the worst you'd have received is a ride home and possibly a ticket.

Did the police go too far in the physical altercation? Well, that depends on whether or not you 1.) believe she was innocently "defending" herself from ruthless thugs or 2.) infer from her previous disregard for law and respect of others that she probably decided she wasn't going to take her detainment/arrest lying down and fought the police a little more than "freeing my arms to defend myself."

But hey, the Fark Cop-Hate Brigade™ ignores the fact that she was almost assuredly being a rude twunt and trying to leave a lawful detainment which got her chased down and resulted in a fight when she decided she didn't have to take that.
2014-07-17 02:15:44 PM  
1 vote:

Headso: jst3p: Headso: jst3p: Why did he do that?

based on the story it was to beat up a teenage girl

Fair enough. According to her account it was because she just decided to walk away from the police while they were talking to her. I bet when we hear the cops account it will include the fact that he verbally instructed her to stop several times. Even if the truth is halfway between those two she made a bad decision.

Just like if she was victimized by another group of thugs it was more about bad luck than bad decision, if these thugs never happened to drive by she would have not had her throat stomped on.


Nope, running from cops is not bad luck, it is a bad decision. She owns it.
2014-07-17 02:12:36 PM  
1 vote:

Recoil Therapy: The police were justified here in giving out a very minor amount of street justice


No they weren't.  They never are.  No one was served or protected by this thug's actions or the non-action of his abettors.

I don't get to do my job incorrectly and keep it.  They shouldn't either.
2014-07-17 02:10:52 PM  
1 vote:

SewerSquirrels: Egoy3k: It's almost as if African Americans have no trust for the police.  I wonder why that might be.

That would be because all police are racist caucasians, I guess.


It doesn't take all of them or even a majority of them to breed distrust.

With all the videos on the net, one would think you would eventually see one of somebody not sassing, not running from, & not fighting with the cops where they still get their arse kicked by them.

Only a complete psychopath would consider 'sassing' justification for a police beating.
2014-07-17 02:10:49 PM  
1 vote:

Recoil Therapy: Can daddy afford a lawyer is one of the first things that they ask themselves before the street justice comes into play


Ding.

Click Click D'oh: Now go be a parent and teach your child not to run from and fight the police.


Dong.
2014-07-17 02:08:08 PM  
1 vote:

SpectroBoy: scottydoesntknow: I would like to point out that in your paragraph you failed to mention the fact that she resisted, and 99% of the time it's resisting that leads to the beating.

When police administer a beating 99% of the time they claim resisting.

Recent video seem to indicate that breathing can be considered resisting.



Since the popularity of camera phones and youtube we have seen an undeniable pattern of systemic and flagrant abuse by police.

There are thousands of videos showing the systemic and flagrant abuse and next to nothing is done about it.
2014-07-17 02:04:47 PM  
1 vote:
Merceedez Wright admits she and her friends were out a few minutes after the city's 10 p.m. curfew, and that she both ran from officers and resisted them after being tackled, but she doesn't believe she deserves the injuries she suffered.

hah.. call obama and complain.
2014-07-17 02:04:18 PM  
1 vote:

Rex Kramer - Danger Seeker: jshine: Rex Kramer - Danger Seeker: How many kids does Merceedez have and are they named after cars too? (I bet they are...)

Actually the car was named after a girl, not the other way around.  It's been a name for a very long time.

/ ever read the Count of Monte Cristo?

Oh really? So you;re saying that she was named after a character in the Count of Monte Cristo? Not the car?


...and the character Mercedes in the Count of Monte Cristo was based on a name that was already extant at that time -- Dumas didn't make it up.  Mercedes the car was named after Mercedes Jellinek, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercedes_Jellinek .  It's been in circulation for a very long time.
2014-07-17 02:03:58 PM  
1 vote:

jst3p: Why did he do that?


based on the story it was to beat up a teenage girl
2014-07-17 02:01:03 PM  
1 vote:

Target Builder: doubled99: I'm pretty knee-jerk anti cop on most every similar thread. But given these facts, it seems they did exactly what you would expect cops to do. Try not running away next time.

In most developed countries you would not expect the police to escalate a situation like this



She escalated the situation.
2014-07-17 02:00:30 PM  
1 vote:

Recoil Therapy: It's economics not race that determines much of the police actions these days

.

I think that is true in general. I don't think the right-wing is any more extreme because Obama is black. They were damn near as crazy with Clinton and that was before the Tea Party dragged them way to the right.

Economic class is the new race. If you have money, you can get justice. If you are poor, go fark yourserlf.
2014-07-17 02:00:02 PM  
1 vote:
Obviously this would get plenty of support from farkers, beating up women is no problem for them, as many of them went to the Elliot Rodger Institute of Men's Rights.
2014-07-17 01:59:08 PM  
1 vote:

jshine: Rex Kramer - Danger Seeker: How many kids does Merceedez have and are they named after cars too? (I bet they are...)

Actually the car was named after a girl, not the other way around.  It's been a name for a very long time.

/ ever read the Count of Monte Cristo?



Oh really? So you;re saying that she was named after a character in the Count of Monte Cristo? Not the car?
2014-07-17 01:58:58 PM  
1 vote:

doubled99: I'm pretty knee-jerk anti cop on most every similar thread. But given these facts, it seems they did exactly what you would expect cops to do. Try not running away next time.


In most developed countries you would not expect the police to escalate a situation like this or beat someone up when they could easily restrain them, but then in most developed countries you don't expect the police to kill around 500 people each year either.
2014-07-17 01:57:37 PM  
1 vote:

dforkus: Nobody got shot, nobody got seriously injured...


Try that argument when you get in a bar fight. Oh, right, it won't hold any legal water whatsoever. Unless you're a cop.
2014-07-17 01:56:34 PM  
1 vote:
Either a lot of people didn't RTFA or somehow missed the part where the 'victim' admitted to actively fighting with the cops after being tackled.
2014-07-17 01:54:58 PM  
1 vote:
That neck brace SCREAMS "BULLshiat".
2014-07-17 01:53:17 PM  
1 vote:

Turbo Cojones: Rawhead Rex: SURPRISE!!!
When you run from cops...they chase you and tackle you!
SURPRISE!!!
When tackled by cops, you tend to get scuffed up some.

Did you somehow think they were playing "touch-apprehend"???
None of this shiat would have happened if she'd just gotten in the back of the car and got driven home.

"Wright also said she did resist officers once she was knocked to the ground. 

Yeah, pretty much stopped reading once she admitted to active resistance.


Yet another person who thinks it's wrong to defend yourself from a beating.
2014-07-17 01:51:51 PM  
1 vote:

twiztedjustin: "I was terrified. I thought I was going to be getting beaten up for hours."

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2014-07-17 01:47:50 PM  
1 vote:

SpectroBoy: scottydoesntknow: I would like to point out that in your paragraph you failed to mention the fact that she resisted, and 99% of the time it's resisting that leads to the beating.

When police administer a beating 99% of the time they claim resisting.

Recent video seem to indicate that breathing can be considered resisting.


That's a good point.

I have had several encounters with cops in my life. Since I have been respectful and compliant they have never had to chase me. Since they have never had to chase me I have never been tackled by them and have never been accused of resisting arrest.

Cops are scum but running from them gives them the opportunity to put you in a position where their claim that you were resisting will be taken as gospel truth.
2014-07-17 01:40:49 PM  
1 vote:
If this were a blonde haired, blue eyed young woman there would be far more outrage -- this thread included. Just sayin'
2014-07-17 01:36:51 PM  
1 vote:

WanPhat: soupafi: Maybe she shouldn't of ran from the cops. They kind of frown upon that.

Seems like she had good reason to.


And it's a natural instinct..
2014-07-17 01:35:31 PM  
1 vote:
Merceedez is one of my favorite geermun car brands.
I also like BMUU, Poorshuh, and Owdie.

also LOL at "I didn't think cops would do that to me because I'm a girl1. And I didn't have anything on me2. I was just trying to walk away from the situation3,"

1: females are often criminals too
2: they had no way of knowing that (but you gave them reason to suspect you did because of 3 below)
3: this is called resisting arrest... it makes cops mad.
2014-07-17 01:35:18 PM  
1 vote:

dstrick44: Snarfangel: cwolf20: Egoy3k: It's almost as if African Americans have no trust for the police.  I wonder why that might be.

I do wonder why they didn't tackle and hospitalize her friends she was with.

I blame laziness.

They were making an example.
All those girls learned their lesson well.
Never have any contact with police at all. Ever. For any reason. Cops will pull a hospital job on you for any reason they can think of.



It could have been worse.  When I saw the headline involving "police" and "cheerleader" and a late hour, I assumed she was raped before I read the article.
2014-07-17 01:30:00 PM  
1 vote:

SewerSquirrels: sassing, running


because sassing and running are tantamount to pulling a weapon right? ESPECIALLY if it's a woman under 150lbs... Those biatches are dangerous! Need to beat them til they go limp so they learn their damn place!

How's about we start firing and locking up cops that abuse their position of authority... Stomping a mudhole in a 100lb girl for running is a gross abuse of power.

Chase? Tackle? Handcuff?  Sure, ok... they might get some bruises for that, but you can't tell me that an unarmed 100lb teenage girl is such a threat that custody is no longer an option, they need to hospitalize her...

fark them, and I hope they get shiatcanned, their wives leave them, they can't get another job, and they have to live in the ghetto right along with the people they like to harass...
2014-07-17 01:26:18 PM  
1 vote:

Plastic Trash Vortex: I wish I were manly enough to defend the savage beating of a teenage girl over breaking a CURFEW by five minutes. I guess I just don't love freedom enough as some of you.

The people who are justifying or defending the cop should be lined up against a wall and shot. YOU are what is wrong with your shiatty-ass garbage can of a country. Cowardly, pathetic, beer-gutted losers all too willing to lick boots just because they happened to come down on a brown person or uppity librul's face.

/land of the pussies, home of the doormat


The best part is that some of the same people defending this application of cop power are the ones who tell us that we should be OK with various laws that MIGHT be abused because cops can enforce it selectively and won't be doing it to everyone.  Well, this is how this particular law was selectively applied.
2014-07-17 01:26:09 PM  
1 vote:

Turbo Cojones: redmid17: Turbo Cojones: Rawhead Rex: SURPRISE!!!
When you run from cops...they chase you and tackle you!
SURPRISE!!!
When tackled by cops, you tend to get scuffed up some.

Did you somehow think they were playing "touch-apprehend"???
None of this shiat would have happened if she'd just gotten in the back of the car and got driven home.

"Wright also said she did resist officers once she was knocked to the ground. 

Yeah, pretty much stopped reading once she admitted to active resistance.

After they tackled her for no real reason?

Broke ordnance (not sure the curfew is a law), then ran when questioned.  Seems like a pretty good reason!


So a $50 ticket or warning and passively walking away deserves as escalation to tackling and assault?

That's like fumigating a house to kill a fly.
2014-07-17 01:25:50 PM  
1 vote:

Rex Kramer - Danger Seeker: How many kids does Merceedez have and are they named after cars too? (I bet they are...)


Actually the car was named after a girl, not the other way around.  It's been a name for a very long time.

/ ever read the Count of Monte Cristo?
2014-07-17 01:25:50 PM  
1 vote:

Jaden Smith First of His Name: It must be awful having to spell out your attractive and successful first name for everything. Or imagine being a teacher for an inner-city school: "Yunique, can you answer this question? No, not the Yunique with two E's. No, not you either, one that ends with a K."


She was fighting back and admitted it.
gja
2014-07-17 01:23:27 PM  
1 vote:

Rincewind53: vernonFL: She was out after curfew, ran from police and resisted arrest.

Her mother should *also* be beaten for naming her daughter Merceedez.

Fun fact, curfew violation is a misdemeanor, meaning cops likely couldn't even  arrest her for it. Legally the most they could give her is a ticket.


Fun fact....you are wrong.
2014-07-17 01:23:11 PM  
1 vote:
I wish I were manly enough to defend the savage beating of a teenage girl over breaking a CURFEW by five minutes. I guess I just don't love freedom enough as some of you.

The people who are justifying or defending the cop should be lined up against a wall and shot. YOU are what is wrong with your shiatty-ass garbage can of a country. Cowardly, pathetic, beer-gutted losers all too willing to lick boots just because they happened to come down on a brown person or uppity librul's face.

/land of the pussies, home of the doormat
2014-07-17 01:22:04 PM  
1 vote:

moeburn: I don't think it's racism. I don't think these people actually believe that black people are an inferior race. I think they're just a bunch of contrarians.


but had this been a blonde white girl, there would be serious cop outrage, but because "ghetto" sounding name and dark skin is involved, meh fark it, she got what she deserved...
2014-07-17 01:20:18 PM  
1 vote:
Not a mark on her face (after having it shoved into the pavement), scuffs on each elbow which appear quite minor and nothing visible on either knee although she does point to them like they are injured in the video.  Standard issue neck brace.

Worst beating ever.  In no way pretext for a lawsuit.
2014-07-17 01:19:27 PM  
1 vote:

moeburn: There was no violent crime in the neighbourhood. They weren't looking for a criminal. They were looking to "teach a punk a lesson". You condone that?


....If you run from the police, they treat you as hostile. They're not mind readers and can't tell if you are or are not hostile especially after dark. That's not 'teaching a punk a lesson', that's your emotional bias and inability to understand a bigger picture than 'I got an owie'.
2014-07-17 01:18:21 PM  
1 vote:
On the plus side, her college tuition will now be covered in full by the impending lawsuit.

/make such settlements come from the officers themselves and see how quickly police learn to restrain themselves
2014-07-17 01:18:14 PM  
1 vote:
Good thing she wasn't carrying a bag of Skittles or else she'd probably be dead.
2014-07-17 01:18:03 PM  
1 vote:

Marcus Aurelius: She has learned a valuable lesson.  The police are filthy animals that have a license to beat the crap out of you whenever they feel like it.

She'll take this lesson to heart.


Hell, at this point it has been pretty firmly established nationwide that an on-duty officer can just decide to kill you for no reason with minimal risk to their jobs and no credible risk to their freedom.
2014-07-17 01:17:09 PM  
1 vote:

Tigger: There should be no such thing as a farking curfew at all.


We have curfews in Kansas City. They apply to different areas, at different times of the year, and none of them came about because some grumpy guy wrote a letter to the editor complaining about how kids should be at home studying instead of out and about. If that would work, we would have a law that no one under the age of 18 can be outside his own fenced yard at any time of the day or night without a leash held by his guardian. And his guardian would have to carry a bag to clean up any messes the farking punk made.
But that doesn't work. My letters never even get published in the Star. Instead, the curfews came about because teens would constantly disrupt entertainment districts, week after week after week, and the police got tired of hauling them off to the station so their parents could pick them up. And the parents got tired of complaining that their precious little jewels were just bystanders and never caused anyone any trouble. So we have curfews, and the curfews work.
2014-07-17 01:15:01 PM  
1 vote:

Capo Del Bandito: moeburn: So if you run, you should expect to get beat? I mean maybe grabbed and arrested, sure, but they continued to beat her after she was already pinned and in their grasp.

Ok dunno how many real life 'altercations' you've been in, but that isn't exactly a moment to 'stop and analyze the whole situation'. If the cops have stopped you and you try to leave, and then take off running, yes you will be tackled, face in the dirt, cuffed and hauled off like a hogtied animal.


I've been in literally the exact same situation as this girl.  Couple of cops saw me run a red light when I was on my bike (well, more like treat a red light like a stop sign, safely, at 4AM).  I had headphones on (again, at night here), so apparently I didn't hear them yelling at me.  Next thing I know, cop car slams into my bike and tries to run me over.  Cop jumps out of car and proceeds to bash my head into metal door, denting their car.

There was no violent crime in the neighbourhood.  They weren't looking for a criminal.  They were looking to "teach a punk a lesson".  You condone that?
2014-07-17 01:14:07 PM  
1 vote:

moeburn: You people have farking CURFEWS in your country?!

GAZA has a curfew.  Why the hell does a small town in USA need a curfew?


Because teenagers!

TEEN-agers!

TEENAGERS!

I'm sorry, I meant 'juvenile delinquents'

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2014-07-17 01:14:04 PM  
1 vote:

El Dudereno: moeburn: You people have farking CURFEWS in your country?!

GAZA has a curfew.  Why the hell does a small town in USA need a curfew?

Old people fear teenagers. Old people show up to town meetings where new ordinances are discussed. Old people can vote. Teenagers do none of those things, but are scary with their jazz music and dancing and whatever the hell else it is they do that old folks dislike.


El Dudereno: moeburn: You people have farking CURFEWS in your country?!

GAZA has a curfew.  Why the hell does a small town in USA need a curfew?

Old people fear teenagers. Old people show up to town meetings where new ordinances are discussed. Old people can vote. Teenagers do none of those things, but are scary with their jazz music and dancing and whatever the hell else it is they do that old folks dislike.


Americans are so complacent about their "freedom" that they (mostly) don't question the effects of giving it up piece by piece.
2014-07-17 01:13:28 PM  
1 vote:
Maybe she shouldn't of ran from the cops. They kind of frown upon that.
2014-07-17 01:13:02 PM  
1 vote:

rummonkey: jankyboy: Rawhead Rex: SURPRISE!!!
When you run from cops...they chase you and tackle you!
SURPRISE!!!
When tackled by cops, you tend to get scuffed up some.

Did you somehow think they were playing "touch-apprehend"???
None of this shiat would have happened if she'd just gotten in the back of the car and got driven home.

A big bowl of THIS. When you run from the police, an ass-kickin' is comin'.

It wasn't even an ass-kicking.  She ran and they did their job.  She got knocked on the ground and cuffed.  Next time don't act like an entitled primadonna and comply with the officers.

I've dealt with curfew violations many times as a police officer and all but two of them resulted with a friendly reminder and a free ride to mommy and daddy's house.


Our son and his friends were stopped once at a park after hours... we got a friendly call from the officer who stopped them. I can't tell you what went through my mind when I answered the phone at midnight and the voice begins with "Mr. Jankyboy, this is officer so-and-so with the Colorado Springs Police Department..."

Luckily, they weren't doing anything stupid and were respectful to the officer, so he gave them a warning and made them go straight home.
2014-07-17 01:11:32 PM  
1 vote:
Right there in the article:

"I was scared because of how he got out of the car. He didn't just walk out, he jumped out of the car and started chasing me, so my first instinct was to run," she said.
Wright also said she did resist officers once she was knocked to the ground. She said she was trying to get her arms free to protect herself.



Eye witness accounts said that they jumped out of the car and chased her, tackling her and then pulled her by her hair and then started kicking her...

By the video that girl weighs maybe 110 pounds...

THAT'S AN OUTR- wait, she's black and has an overtly black sounding name? Nevermind...

Hey Fark... your racism is showing...

/not all of you, but enough that i'm pretty sickened by the 100 pound black girl got what she deserved...
2014-07-17 01:11:28 PM  
1 vote:
Goddamn it guys STOP DEFENDING THE POLICE until you know the whole story!  Think this through!

The proper response from the police chief would have been "we are taking this complaint extremely seriously and will commence investigation immediately" Not NO COMMENT..  BAD COP NO DONUT!

"No comment" right away indicates to the public they are not taking this complain seriously, or they strongly suspect there is a serious breech of policy and are closing ranks (which really pisses people off who support human rights). An immediate response is needed to maintain confidence

Besides, curfews belong in evil police states or during REAL wartime and emergencies (not this phony war on terror) and has no place in a free society.
2014-07-17 01:11:14 PM  
1 vote:
What did she think would happen when she mouthed off and ran from the cops? Look, if the cops stop to ask you questions, just stop and answer their questions. I know it's a hassle and 99.9% of the time you're doing nothing wrong, but you'll walk away unscathed.
2014-07-17 01:11:11 PM  
1 vote:

neongoats: Whoa curfew violation, that surely requires physical intervention!


No, but running from cops after said violation does.

Now they may have gone overboard in tackling her and subduing her, but physical intervention was warranted.
2014-07-17 01:09:26 PM  
1 vote:

Empty H: She also stated "I didn't think they would do that to me because I am a girl." she pushed the envelope because she thought she was special.

I don't think it justifies an intense beating, but the officers were dealing with a non-compliant individual who ran and resisted because she thought she was special.

I would like to think the officers tried to handle the situation without violence, but I wasn't there.


I can see how it can be construed that way, but I think the "I didn't think they would do that to me because I am a girl." phrase was meant as "I didn't think they would try to beat me up because there's no way I could possibly physically hurt them or even resist them".

Are you sure she ran and "resisted" because she thought she was special, and not because she recognized that these cops could have done anything they wanted to her and gotten away with it?

"but I wasn't there."- Why is it that you only admit that on your third sentence, but not the first two?
2014-07-17 01:07:28 PM  
1 vote:

parahaps: You have been tackled by a police man for walking away from him. He is grinding your face into the pavement. Do you go limp and comply with whatever injury (however minor) is being inflicted, or do you reflexively try to get your arms free to protect yourself?


It's the onion ( http://www.theonion.com/articles/nypd-apologizes-for-accidental-shoot i ngclubbingsta,739/ ) but reminds me of:

After ignoring the officers' repeated commands to put down the threatening item in his hand, a bag containing a double order of General Chao's Chicken and a pint of rice, Livingston reached for the doorbell.  The officers responded by opening fire on his strategic top-of-the-stairs position from point-blank range, discharging their standard-issue 9mm handguns 245 times and striking him with approximately 175 teflon-coated hollow-point slugs.  Defiantly ignoring the officers' orders to freeze, Livingston dropped to the floor and convulsed wildly, kicking and thrashing and hurling blood in all directions.
2014-07-17 01:06:45 PM  
1 vote:
out past curfew + running from the police + resisting arrest = "Good kid"

This is inner city math at it's finest.
2014-07-17 01:06:31 PM  
1 vote:

scottydoesntknow: question_dj: Recoil Therapy: question_dj: Yeah man, curfew violation is serious business.  Running down teenagers, tackling, then beating them because they were lippy and ran is reasonable response from police.  Gotta show those kids who's boss.  Can't let them get away with being lippy and running.  No sir.  Breaking curfew is tantamount to murder, so actually they should have just shot her.

It may not be justified but the reality is that if you make the police chase you, they WILL beat on you a bit when they catch you.  If you start fighting back & hitting them at that point they will start going overboard in their enthusiasm to subdue you.  If she had just stood there being lippy, she may have pissed off the police but they wouldn't have (probably, you really can't tell with some of them) started beating on her (too many potential witnesses attracted by the noise).  She might have gotten a ticket for being outside 5 min after curfew (which a judge probably would have thrown out if she pressed the issue - 10pm is really early especially in the summer), but she wouldn't be sitting in the hospital right now.

But you already knew all of that....

Will and should are two completely different things.  God forbid police show restraint and forethought when doing their jobs.  Someone runs?  Beating the shiat out of them is the only way to respond.  Are they mouthing off?  Oh man, disrespecting me, beat the shiat out of them!  Yes, they ran.  Yes, they were lippy.  Last I checked, it's illegal for me to beat people when they get lippy with me.  Yet folks give the police a free pass.  These are teenagers doing what teenagers do.  Obviously the right response is to beat them.

I would like to point out that in your paragraph you failed to mention the fact that she resisted, and 99% of the time it's resisting that leads to the beating.


She also stated "I didn't think they would do that to me because I am a girl." she pushed the envelope because she thought she was special.

I don't think it justifies an intense beating, but the officers were dealing with a non-compliant individual who ran and resisted because she thought she was special.

I would like to think the officers tried to handle the situation without violence, but I wasn't there.
2014-07-17 01:06:01 PM  
1 vote:

jshine: genner: jshine: Looks like she had good reason to run from the cops - they're dangerous thugs with no self control and probably will not be held accountable for their actions.

If a suspect is unarmed and not fighting back and you put her in the hospital, you should be tried for assault - badge or no.

Except she was fighting and admitted it.

...or putting up her hands in a defensive posture?  Many beatings come with defensive wounds -- it's an instinctual reaction that is nearly impossible to avoid.


Kind of like running from people who start yelling and chasing you. That's why anyone the cops tackle gets charged with resisting. It's a reflex that allowed our species to live long enough to procreate.
2014-07-17 01:05:29 PM  
1 vote:

scottydoesntknow: question_dj: Recoil Therapy: question_dj: Yeah man, curfew violation is serious business.  Running down teenagers, tackling, then beating them because they were lippy and ran is reasonable response from police.  Gotta show those kids who's boss.  Can't let them get away with being lippy and running.  No sir.  Breaking curfew is tantamount to murder, so actually they should have just shot her.

It may not be justified but the reality is that if you make the police chase you, they WILL beat on you a bit when they catch you.  If you start fighting back & hitting them at that point they will start going overboard in their enthusiasm to subdue you.  If she had just stood there being lippy, she may have pissed off the police but they wouldn't have (probably, you really can't tell with some of them) started beating on her (too many potential witnesses attracted by the noise).  She might have gotten a ticket for being outside 5 min after curfew (which a judge probably would have thrown out if she pressed the issue - 10pm is really early especially in the summer), but she wouldn't be sitting in the hospital right now.

But you already knew all of that....

Will and should are two completely different things.  God forbid police show restraint and forethought when doing their jobs.  Someone runs?  Beating the shiat out of them is the only way to respond.  Are they mouthing off?  Oh man, disrespecting me, beat the shiat out of them!  Yes, they ran.  Yes, they were lippy.  Last I checked, it's illegal for me to beat people when they get lippy with me.  Yet folks give the police a free pass.  These are teenagers doing what teenagers do.  Obviously the right response is to beat them.

I would like to point out that in your paragraph you failed to mention the fact that she resisted, and 99% of the time it's resisting that leads to the beating.


Except for the fact that the resistance, per the article, began after the officer tackled and kicked her.  Good jorb.
2014-07-17 01:05:06 PM  
1 vote:

genner: jshine: Looks like she had good reason to run from the cops - they're dangerous thugs with no self control and probably will not be held accountable for their actions.

If a suspect is unarmed and not fighting back and you put her in the hospital, you should be tried for assault - badge or no.

Except she was fighting and admitted it.


But okay, benefit of the doubt here. The story in the article is all full of contradictions, so it's not like this is accurate... But benefit of the doubt.

A man leaps out of a car (even a cop car) and starts charging at you. Do you stand there or do you start backing away?

You have been tackled by a police man for walking away from him. He is grinding your face into the pavement. Do you go limp and comply with whatever injury (however minor) is being inflicted, or do you reflexively try to get your arms free to protect yourself?
2014-07-17 01:05:05 PM  
1 vote:
She...tried to walk/run away from the cops and is surprised at her treatment? Idiocy.

You wouldn't kick a bee's nest and attempt to 'walk away from it' would you?

Ah well, at least she learned something, I hope.
2014-07-17 01:00:09 PM  
1 vote:
The police take 'walking while black' very seriously.
2014-07-17 01:00:06 PM  
1 vote:
You people have farking CURFEWS in your country?!

GAZA has a curfew.  Why the hell does a small town in USA need a curfew?
2014-07-17 12:59:43 PM  
1 vote:
"It's after curfew, run along now"

"SHE'S RUNNING!  TACKLE HER!"

What terrible thing would have happened if they just let her run away?
2014-07-17 12:59:08 PM  
1 vote:
"I didn't think cops would do that to me because I'm a girl."


Stopped reading there.  Yes, they will, especially if you run, fight with them, and scream you farking moron.
2014-07-17 12:58:59 PM  
1 vote:

Erik_Emune: Police-enforced curfews is a thing? Kee-rist, I'm glad I grew up in Europe.


Only in the "land of the free".
2014-07-17 12:58:45 PM  
1 vote:

Jument: qorkfiend: ITT: "Police beatings are ok, because the person getting beaten up probably deserved it".

You people are disgusting.

I don't think anyone in the world really believes that. At least I hope not.


The police do.
2014-07-17 12:58:31 PM  
1 vote:
Police-enforced curfews is a thing? Kee-rist, I'm glad I grew up in Europe.
2014-07-17 12:57:25 PM  
1 vote:

jshine: genner: jshine: Looks like she had good reason to run from the cops - they're dangerous thugs with no self control and probably will not be held accountable for their actions.

If a suspect is unarmed and not fighting back and you put her in the hospital, you should be tried for assault - badge or no.

Except she was fighting and admitted it.

...or putting up her hands in a defensive posture?  Many beatings come with defensive wounds -- it's an instinctual reaction that is nearly impossible to avoid.


That would be a good argument if she didn't admit to deliberately fighting the police. The facts of the incident aren't in question. All sides agree on what happened. The stupid girl actually thinks she has the right to slug an officer and not get hit back.
2014-07-17 12:54:22 PM  
1 vote:

genner: jshine: Looks like she had good reason to run from the cops - they're dangerous thugs with no self control and probably will not be held accountable for their actions.

If a suspect is unarmed and not fighting back and you put her in the hospital, you should be tried for assault - badge or no.

Except she was fighting and admitted it.


...or putting up her hands in a defensive posture?  Many beatings come with defensive wounds -- it's an instinctual reaction that is nearly impossible to avoid.
2014-07-17 12:54:11 PM  
1 vote:
Dumfark violating curfew runs from police and resists arrest with violence. Yeah, non-story.
2014-07-17 12:50:08 PM  
1 vote:

Mugato: Tigger: There should be no such thing as a farking curfew at all.

Really. I never even heard of such a thing. Curfew? What is this some dystopian sci-fi movie world?

/seriously, never heard of that


It's only in the US, and doesn't exist in a few of the largest cities - NYC and Boston to name two.  San Francisco only applies it to people under 14 after 1am.

All the other countries in the world don't seem to feel the need for police to hassle people who are or might appear to be under 18 doing nothing else wrong.
2014-07-17 12:49:44 PM  
1 vote:
"Wright admits she and her friends were out a few minutes after the city's 10 p.m. curfew, and that she both ran from officers and resisted them after being tackled, but she doesn't believe she deserves the injuries she suffered."


What you "believe" and what is going to happen to you when you run from the police and then resist aren't even in the same universe, honey. But now you know.
2014-07-17 12:49:00 PM  
1 vote:
"Hey Karl, check out that biatch eating ice cream like she owns the place. Let's run a number six."
2014-07-17 12:48:51 PM  
1 vote:
brittanyherself.com

/No thanks dad, I've already got a Merceedez
2014-07-17 12:48:43 PM  
1 vote:

AlwaysRightBoy: Tigger: There should be no such thing as a farking curfew at all.

I agree, if they're able to run around and do whatever pleases them all night, sooner or later these things will take care of themselves.


No legal curfew doesn't equal do what you want.
2014-07-17 12:45:59 PM  
1 vote:

Turbo Cojones: Rawhead Rex: SURPRISE!!!
When you run from cops...they chase you and tackle you!
SURPRISE!!!
When tackled by cops, you tend to get scuffed up some.

Did you somehow think they were playing "touch-apprehend"???
None of this shiat would have happened if she'd just gotten in the back of the car and got driven home.

"Wright also said she did resist officers once she was knocked to the ground. 

Yeah, pretty much stopped reading once she admitted to active resistance.


Stop resisting the beating we're giving you!
2014-07-17 12:44:20 PM  
1 vote:

Rawhead Rex: SURPRISE!!!
When you run from cops...they chase you and tackle you!
SURPRISE!!!
When tackled by cops, you tend to get scuffed up some.

Did you somehow think they were playing "touch-apprehend"???
None of this shiat would have happened if she'd just gotten in the back of the car and got driven home.


"Wright also said she did resist officers once she was knocked to the ground. 

Yeah, pretty much stopped reading once she admitted to active resistance.
2014-07-17 12:41:35 PM  
1 vote:

vernonFL: Where I live in Baltimore there is a curfew. If there wasn't, we would have roaming gangs of teenagers out at all hours of the night.

We have that now, but without the curfew it would be worse. It would be like the Warriors movie.


oh noes the kids will be out at all hours. the horror!

/just farking pack more ammo than they do...
2014-07-17 11:12:52 AM  
1 vote:

question_dj: Recoil Therapy: question_dj: Yeah man, curfew violation is serious business.  Running down teenagers, tackling, then beating them because they were lippy and ran is reasonable response from police.  Gotta show those kids who's boss.  Can't let them get away with being lippy and running.  No sir.  Breaking curfew is tantamount to murder, so actually they should have just shot her.

It may not be justified but the reality is that if you make the police chase you, they WILL beat on you a bit when they catch you.  If you start fighting back & hitting them at that point they will start going overboard in their enthusiasm to subdue you.  If she had just stood there being lippy, she may have pissed off the police but they wouldn't have (probably, you really can't tell with some of them) started beating on her (too many potential witnesses attracted by the noise).  She might have gotten a ticket for being outside 5 min after curfew (which a judge probably would have thrown out if she pressed the issue - 10pm is really early especially in the summer), but she wouldn't be sitting in the hospital right now.

But you already knew all of that....

Will and should are two completely different things.  God forbid police show restraint and forethought when doing their jobs.  Someone runs?  Beating the shiat out of them is the only way to respond.  Are they mouthing off?  Oh man, disrespecting me, beat the shiat out of them!  Yes, they ran.  Yes, they were lippy.  Last I checked, it's illegal for me to beat people when they get lippy with me.  Yet folks give the police a free pass.  These are teenagers doing what teenagers do.  Obviously the right response is to beat them.


Oh go try trolling somewhere else.  I said that they police wouldn't beat on you (probably) for just being lippy.  And then there is your continued ignoring of the little fact that the girls were fighting with the police when caught.  Nope, it's all about giving the police free pass to beat on anyone whenever they feel like it.  It has absolutely nothing to do with the girls fighting with them, nope nothing at all....
2014-07-17 10:42:48 AM  
1 vote:

Tigger: There should be no such thing as a farking curfew at all.


Really. I never even heard of such a thing. Curfew? What is this some dystopian sci-fi movie world?

/seriously, never heard of that
 
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