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2014-07-17 04:30:56 PM  

redmid17: SubBass49: redmid17: More cops get killed by car accidents than get shot.

Probably because they're extra careful...you know, to avoid getting shot.  Kind of what we're talking about here, right?  Try to pay attention.

2013 was the safest year for cops since the 1950s. Assaults and murders have gone way down, especially over the last 20 years. They don't need to avoid being shot. People aren't out to kill cops like it's going out of style.

An aggressive adversarial stance on every single interaction they have with the populace is pants on head retarded.


The families of a couple of Las Vegas cops might disagree with you.
 
2014-07-17 04:31:04 PM  

tlars699: jst3p: tlars699: You, however, still think that it's okay for trained professionals to beat up a minor just because they were out past 10 p.m..

Wrong again? I am shocked!

She wasn't "beat up" because she was out past 10 p.m.

She suffered injury because, by her own admission, she first walked, then ran away from cops and again  by her own admission resisted them as they tried to put her in handcuffs.


Which was caused by what exactly? A violation of curfew? So a violation of curfew led to police officers using excessive force? Gee, it's like a sequence of events matters.


No it did not, and you are intellectually dishonest for framing it that way.

Her disregard of of a lawful command led to force being used. Whether or not the force was excessive is debatable.
 
2014-07-17 04:31:21 PM  
You would think that professional police officers would be trained in subduing techniques that don't include kicking, punching, or pulling hair.  A class in dispute negotiation or non violent mediation would be helpful too.
 
2014-07-17 04:31:41 PM  

jst3p: redmid17: MycroftHolmes: jshine: Looks like she had good reason to run from the cops - they're dangerous thugs with no self control and probably will not be held accountable for their actions.

If a suspect is unarmed and not fighting back and you put her in the hospital, you should be tried for assault - badge or no.

But if a suspect is resisting arrest, using force to control the suspect is appropriate.  So, go back and read the article and realize why you are wrong.

They didn't need to tackle her in the first place. They were responding to her responding to their escalation of the situation.

Again, she escalated the situation.


No, she didn't.
 
2014-07-17 04:32:17 PM  

redmid17: She ran when they started running after her,


I'll have to remember that new legal justification.  Running from the police is legal if they are running too.  Nice.


redmid17: and considering the police said they tackled her, that's not exactly falling.


Most people do fall when tackled.  The ones that don't are the ones you should be afraid of.

redmid17: How far away do you think she got...


Far enough that they had to run to catch up to her apparently.


tlars699: Which was caused by what exactly? A violation of curfew? So a violation of curfew led to police officers using excessive force? Gee, it's like a sequence of events matters.


As explained above, in the event of a use of force, only the actual actions at the moment of the use of force matter.  So no, it's immaterial to the justification of the use of force if the person was initially stopped for curfew, jaywalking or mass murder.
 
2014-07-17 04:33:11 PM  
Mercedes?? What kind of ghetto, hood rat, welfare queen, baby mama, section 8, tax-payer scamming parasite names their daughter something as STUPID as that...?


www.thebestlittlefilmhouse.com

Stop changing the subject!!
 
2014-07-17 04:33:17 PM  

pedrop357: jst3p: redmid17: MycroftHolmes: jshine: Looks like she had good reason to run from the cops - they're dangerous thugs with no self control and probably will not be held accountable for their actions.

If a suspect is unarmed and not fighting back and you put her in the hospital, you should be tried for assault - badge or no.

But if a suspect is resisting arrest, using force to control the suspect is appropriate.  So, go back and read the article and realize why you are wrong.

They didn't need to tackle her in the first place. They were responding to her responding to their escalation of the situation.

Again, she escalated the situation.

No, she didn't.


If she had obeyed the cop and had not walked away, do you believe force would have been used?
 
2014-07-17 04:33:33 PM  

EatenTheSun: redmid17: SubBass49: redmid17: More cops get killed by car accidents than get shot.

Probably because they're extra careful...you know, to avoid getting shot.  Kind of what we're talking about here, right?  Try to pay attention.

2013 was the safest year for cops since the 1950s. Assaults and murders have gone way down, especially over the last 20 years. They don't need to avoid being shot. People aren't out to kill cops like it's going out of style.

An aggressive adversarial stance on every single interaction they have with the populace is pants on head retarded.

The families of a couple of Las Vegas cops might disagree with you.


And would you consider than an isolated incident?
 
2014-07-17 04:34:10 PM  

WhyteRaven74: SubBass49: Oh shiat...you were there??? Why didn't you get video so we could put this all to rest?

I'm still trying to figure out why the cops were even stopping the kids. It's not like it was 1AM.


So you missed the part where the article specifies that the curfew in That town for teenagers is 10pm.  1am is 3 hours past Their curfew.  And 1am would probably result in multiple bullets missing her and hitting elderly neighbors. Try to read the whole thing will ya?
 
2014-07-17 04:34:31 PM  

Rincewind53: Marcus Aurelius: She has learned a valuable lesson.  The police are filthy animals that have a license to beat the crap out of you whenever they feel like it.

She'll take this lesson to heart.

Nah, the real lesson she learned is not to walk outside while black.

You think this would have happened to white kids? Hellllll no.


I grew up in a city with a curfew.  If you were in a nice enough car (and had an address and accent to match said car) you never got a ticket so long as you told them you were coming back from a late theater rehearsal or some such extracurricular activity.  At most they'd call your parents to tell them you were on your way home, to which everyone's parents seemed to respond, "I think they would've been home already if someone hadn't stopped them."  The whole curfew was nothing more than an excuse to fish for signs of drugs, alcohol, or joyrides.
 
2014-07-17 04:34:36 PM  

SubBass49: Lots of internet tough-guy Monday-morning QB's that like to dissect their every move in an adrenaline-and-stress filled situation.


It's typically adrenaline-and-stress filled because the police make it that way.
 
2014-07-17 04:34:58 PM  

Click Click D'oh: redmid17: She ran when they started running after her,

I'll have to remember that new legal justification.  Running from the police is legal if they are running too.  Nice.


redmid17: and considering the police said they tackled her, that's not exactly falling.

Most people do fall when tackled.  The ones that don't are the ones you should be afraid of.

redmid17: How far away do you think she got...

Far enough that they had to run to catch up to her apparently.


tlars699: Which was caused by what exactly? A violation of curfew? So a violation of curfew led to police officers using excessive force? Gee, it's like a sequence of events matters.

As explained above, in the event of a use of force, only the actual actions at the moment of the use of force matter.  So no, it's immaterial to the justification of the use of force if the person was initially stopped for curfew, jaywalking or mass murder.


Once again, not defending her actions. I'm saying that tackling her was *completely* unnecessary and the cops escalated a situation which, in no way shape or form, required it.
 
2014-07-17 04:34:59 PM  

I Browse: Mercedes?? What kind of ghetto, hood rat, welfare queen, baby mama, section 8, tax-payer scamming parasite names their daughter something as STUPID as that...?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merc%C3%A9d%C3%A8s_Jellinek
 
2014-07-17 04:35:37 PM  

tlars699: They weren't even being "detained" until after that happened.

No, they were being detained at step 1.  See:

tlars699:
1. Group gets stopped.
2. Group gets questioned.
3. Merceedes: "Crap! I left my crap at the shop"
4. Group tells police: "We have to go back- Merceedes forgot her stuff lol." Merceedes starts walking towards shop.
5. Police say to group, "Tell your friend to get back here, we're not through." Friend calls out "Merceedes!"
6. Merceedes turns around, sees officers rushing to get out of vehicles, panics, starts running.


That's a detention.

tlars699: . If they already had gotten everyone's personal info, there would be no need for this at all.


1) No, stop making up legal bullcrap
2) You don't know they had been ID'd, stop making up details
3) They may have still been waiting to cite them for curfew violations
4) As previously discussed, the officers still have the option to retain the girls to see a judge.
 
2014-07-17 04:35:43 PM  

jst3p: Whether or not the force was excessive is debatable


fark.com does have enough bootlickers and authoritarians where it is actually debatable, yeah.
 
2014-07-17 04:35:55 PM  

redmid17: EatenTheSun: redmid17: SubBass49: redmid17: More cops get killed by car accidents than get shot.

Probably because they're extra careful...you know, to avoid getting shot.  Kind of what we're talking about here, right?  Try to pay attention.

2013 was the safest year for cops since the 1950s. Assaults and murders have gone way down, especially over the last 20 years. They don't need to avoid being shot. People aren't out to kill cops like it's going out of style.

An aggressive adversarial stance on every single interaction they have with the populace is pants on head retarded.

The families of a couple of Las Vegas cops might disagree with you.

And would you consider than an isolated incident?


Not really
 
2014-07-17 04:36:04 PM  

redmid17: I never defended the girls action. I said that tackling and punching/kicking/hairpulling a 100 lb girl is a completely unnecessary escalation of the situation.


Right, you're an expert in forceless physical detention of a fleeing person who has displayed a propensity for ignoring lawful police commands.

And we all know 15-year-old friends of the "victim" will tell the truth and only the truth. You know, kids never lie about these things.

Or how pretty much any part of the body is fair game when attempting to control a physically resisting arrestee. Can I see the photos where she's got more than a neckbrace on which is standard issue for just about any level of neck pain upon hospital admittance? I'm certain there's gotta be some gruesome evidence of this solid asswhooping she received.

/HODOR HODOR!
 
2014-07-17 04:36:21 PM  

Nezorf: You would think that professional police officers would be trained in subduing techniques that don't include kicking, punching, or pulling hair.  A class in dispute negotiation or non violent mediation would be helpful too.


"You there running away, can we discuss your options?  We really should, hey slow down, look at different ways we can resolve this peacably.  Hey, let me catch up, let me make sure I understand your perspective so that we can find a mutually agreeable outcome.'

Not sure that this really works when someone is running.

And honestly, any use of force they tried would be criticized the same.  Use a nightstick, a tazer, a bean bag gun, whatever, the complaint would be the same.
 
2014-07-17 04:36:28 PM  

redmid17: One can walk and then run.


So, she was running then.  Got it.

 
2014-07-17 04:37:22 PM  

jst3p: tlars699: jst3p: tlars699: You, however, still think that it's okay for trained professionals to beat up a minor just because they were out past 10 p.m..

Wrong again? I am shocked!

She wasn't "beat up" because she was out past 10 p.m.

She suffered injury because, by her own admission, she first walked, then ran away from cops and again  by her own admission resisted them as they tried to put her in handcuffs.


Which was caused by what exactly? A violation of curfew? So a violation of curfew led to police officers using excessive force? Gee, it's like a sequence of events matters.

No it did not, and you are intellectually dishonest for framing it that way.

Her disregard of of a lawful command led to force being used. Whether or not the force was excessive is debatable.


I am not being intellecutally dishonest. First one thing happened, and then the next thing happened. One started, and caused the other to be set in motion.

Also, it has been my position in the thread that  even if the police were right, that she technically had been resisting arrest, that they methods they used to stop her were far in excess.

Yours  seems to be that it was okay, and she should have known better/expected it, despite not having been on the wrong side of the law prior.
 
2014-07-17 04:37:27 PM  
Ran from the cops and resisted.

Looks like Darwin just got in a warm-up run on this one.
 
2014-07-17 04:37:33 PM  

SubBass49: redmid17: EatenTheSun: redmid17: SubBass49: redmid17: More cops get killed by car accidents than get shot.

Probably because they're extra careful...you know, to avoid getting shot.  Kind of what we're talking about here, right?  Try to pay attention.

2013 was the safest year for cops since the 1950s. Assaults and murders have gone way down, especially over the last 20 years. They don't need to avoid being shot. People aren't out to kill cops like it's going out of style.

An aggressive adversarial stance on every single interaction they have with the populace is pants on head retarded.

The families of a couple of Las Vegas cops might disagree with you.

And would you consider than an isolated incident?

Not really


So there is a rash of crime where hundreds and hundreds of cops are being deliberately targeted for death, not as a result of stopping a crime or criminal?
 
2014-07-17 04:38:08 PM  

jst3p: pedrop357: jst3p: redmid17: MycroftHolmes: jshine: Looks like she had good reason to run from the cops - they're dangerous thugs with no self control and probably will not be held accountable for their actions.

If a suspect is unarmed and not fighting back and you put her in the hospital, you should be tried for assault - badge or no.

But if a suspect is resisting arrest, using force to control the suspect is appropriate.  So, go back and read the article and realize why you are wrong.

They didn't need to tackle her in the first place. They were responding to her responding to their escalation of the situation.

Again, she escalated the situation.

No, she didn't.

If she had obeyed the cop and had not walked away, do you believe force would have been used?


Chances are pretty good.  Plenty of people do nothing wrong and still get assaulted or killed by the police.
 
2014-07-17 04:39:22 PM  

redmid17: I'm saying that tackling her was *completely* unnecessary and the cops escalated a situation which, in no way shape or form, required it.


Since you've finally admitted she was running from the police, how would you have stopped her?  Assuming no feats of supernatural strength or speed.
 
2014-07-17 04:39:32 PM  

Headso: jst3p: Whether or not the force was excessive is debatable

fark.com does have enough bootlickers and authoritarians where it is actually debatable, yeah.


Personally I would like to know more detail about the injuries before deciding.

Wright is now recovering in the hospital with injuries to her trachea, esophagus and neck, plus several cuts and bruises.

That isn't much to go on. Several cuts and bruises are going to happen when you get tackled on pavement. I watched over 20 years of COPS and putting a knee on the back of the neck seems like a pretty common tactic and would explain the other injuries. I don't see enough there to assert that it was excessive.

I could be convinced otherwise with more detail though.
 
2014-07-17 04:40:15 PM  

EatenTheSun: redmid17: SubBass49: redmid17: More cops get killed by car accidents than get shot.

Probably because they're extra careful...you know, to avoid getting shot.  Kind of what we're talking about here, right?  Try to pay attention.

2013 was the safest year for cops since the 1950s. Assaults and murders have gone way down, especially over the last 20 years. They don't need to avoid being shot. People aren't out to kill cops like it's going out of style.

An aggressive adversarial stance on every single interaction they have with the populace is pants on head retarded.

The families of a couple of Las Vegas cops might disagree with you.


The families of everyone that will encounter one of these permanently adversarial cops would disagree that treating everyone as the enemy on a battlefield is a good idea.
 
2014-07-17 04:40:52 PM  
Why would there be a curfew?
 
2014-07-17 04:41:03 PM  

Click Click D'oh: redmid17: I'm saying that tackling her was *completely* unnecessary and the cops escalated a situation which, in no way shape or form, required it.

Since you've finally admitted she was running from the police, how would you have stopped her?  Assuming no feats of supernatural strength or speed.


I wouldn't have stopped her to begin with.
 
2014-07-17 04:41:41 PM  

Headso: jst3p: Whether or not the force was excessive is debatable

fark.com does have enough bootlickers and authoritarians where it is actually debatable, yeah.


-2/10. You're not even trying, and this isn't Facebook or Faux News.
 
2014-07-17 04:41:55 PM  

Inflatable Rhetoric: Why would there be a curfew?


Easy political points on the backs of people with no political or economic power to fight it.  Several other posters have championed them as great ways to search people for contraband.
 
2014-07-17 04:41:56 PM  

Click Click D'oh: redmid17: I'm saying that tackling her was *completely* unnecessary and the cops escalated a situation which, in no way shape or form, required it.

Since you've finally admitted she was running from the police, how would you have stopped her?  Assuming no feats of supernatural strength or speed.


"Grab her arm, shoulder, or run in front of the walking teenager..."
 
2014-07-17 04:42:44 PM  

Perpetuous Procrastination: redmid17: I never defended the girls action. I said that tackling and punching/kicking/hairpulling a 100 lb girl is a completely unnecessary escalation of the situation.

Right, you're an expert in forceless physical detention of a fleeing person who has displayed a propensity for ignoring lawful police commands.

And we all know 15-year-old friends of the "victim" will tell the truth and only the truth. You know, kids never lie about these things.

Or how pretty much any part of the body is fair game when attempting to control a physically resisting arrestee. Can I see the photos where she's got more than a neckbrace on which is standard issue for just about any level of neck pain upon hospital admittance? I'm certain there's gotta be some gruesome evidence of this solid asswhooping she received.

/HODOR HODOR!


This might be rocket science, but one police officer can get out of the car and address the group, and the other can take the car, drive it up the street, park it in front of the girl, and calmly address her.

Stopping a group of teenagers with ice cream shouldn't end up with one of the teens in the hospital. At the very worst, they can get her name from her friends. Get in contact with the parents and issue a citation.

Is it really the best idea to use force to apprehend someone over a curfew violation? Yes  she was leaving the scene. Hold her friends till she comes back. So many options and they picked the violent one.
 
2014-07-17 04:42:48 PM  

tlars699: I am not being intellecutally dishonest. First one thing happened, and then the next thing happened. One started, and caused the other to be set in motion.


Wrong again. The stop did not cause her to disregard the cop and walk (then run) away.  That was a decision she made. The fact that she walked (then ran) away did  cause the cops to use force though. That is how cause and effect actually work.

Also, it has been my position in the thread that  even if the police were right, that she technically had been resisting arrest, that they methods they used to stop her were far in excess.

You are entitled to your opinion, I can only fault you for being wrong about facts.

Yours  seems to be that it was okay, and she should have known better/expected it, despite not having been on the wrong side of the law prior.

She was on the wrong side of the law as soon as she ignored a lawful order.
 
2014-07-17 04:42:54 PM  

pedrop357: I wouldn't have stopped her to begin with.


So, you're position is that police who are actively questioning people in conjunction with illegal activities should just allow suspects to walk away and do nothing about it?

Okay....
 
2014-07-17 04:43:21 PM  

jshine: I Browse: Mercedes?? What kind of ghetto, hood rat, welfare queen, baby mama, section 8, tax-payer scamming parasite names their daughter something as STUPID as that...?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merc%C3%A9d%C3%A8s_Jellinek



Yup, I'm familiar, hence the snark. I always laugh when people make fun of "non-traditional" names. Every name was once odd sounding when it first came into use.
 
2014-07-17 04:43:51 PM  

MycroftHolmes: "Grab her arm, shoulder, or run in front of the walking teenager..."


Because doing those actions to a running person would never, ever result in something that looks exactly like a tackle... right?
 
2014-07-17 04:44:00 PM  

Inflatable Rhetoric: Why would there be a curfew?


ask that city's government about it.  It's their curfew.
 
2014-07-17 04:44:07 PM  

redmid17: This might be rocket science, but one police officer can get out of the car and address the group, and the other can take the car, drive it up the street, park it in front of the girl, and calmly address her.

Stopping a group of teenagers with ice cream shouldn't end up with one of the teens in the hospital. At the very worst, they can get her name from her friends. Get in contact with the parents and issue a citation.

Is it really the best idea to use force to apprehend someone over a curfew violation? Yes she was leaving the scene. Hold her friends till she comes back. So many options and they picked the violent one.


Yep.  When you're trained to use a hammer and see that everyone else gets to use it without repercussions, everything is a nail.
 
2014-07-17 04:44:25 PM  

redmid17: Perpetuous Procrastination: redmid17: I never defended the girls action. I said that tackling and punching/kicking/hairpulling a 100 lb girl is a completely unnecessary escalation of the situation.

Right, you're an expert in forceless physical detention of a fleeing person who has displayed a propensity for ignoring lawful police commands.

And we all know 15-year-old friends of the "victim" will tell the truth and only the truth. You know, kids never lie about these things.

Or how pretty much any part of the body is fair game when attempting to control a physically resisting arrestee. Can I see the photos where she's got more than a neckbrace on which is standard issue for just about any level of neck pain upon hospital admittance? I'm certain there's gotta be some gruesome evidence of this solid asswhooping she received.

/HODOR HODOR!

This might be rocket science, but one police officer can get out of the car and address the group, and the other can take the car, drive it up the street, park it in front of the girl, and calmly address her.

Stopping a group of teenagers with ice cream shouldn't end up with one of the teens in the hospital. At the very worst, they can get her name from her friends. Get in contact with the parents and issue a citation.

Is it really the best idea to use force to apprehend someone over a curfew violation? Yes  she was leaving the scene. Hold her friends till she comes back. So many options and they picked the violent one.


If pusuing someone on foot, They can likely change direction or go other places a lot more easily than a car.  Do you know what direction the car was facing relative to where she was walking?  If she was going to bolt because a cop was chasing her, what reason do you have to believe she wouldn't bolt when a cop started driving after her?
 
2014-07-17 04:44:36 PM  

MycroftHolmes: kosherkow: cops put a 17 year old, 100lb girl, in the hospital for a curfew violation and that's ok?

pathetic on the cops and only shows poor training if this is the way they have to apprehend someone with such a size disadvantage.

all of you in support of these LEOs are awful human beings

The use of force was not related to the curfew violation at all.  Do you honestly not get that?


and that somehow makes it ok what the police did?
 
2014-07-17 04:45:21 PM  

Recoil Therapy: Rincewind53: You think this would have happened to white kids? Hellllll no.

It really would depend on the part of town that they were in.  The girls admitted to breaking curfew, giving the police some attitude, running away & fighting back when caught.  The police were justified here in giving out a very minor amount of street justice regardless of color (perhaps not to the extent that they did here though).  In a neighborhood filled with expensive houses, expensive cars & doctors & lawyers living there, no the police would have been much more gentle.  However I can think of a neighborhood around here (95% white) where the girls there would be beat on just as much for doing the same as these did.  Of course that neighborhood is filled with meth heads, junkies, welfare queens & just pure white trash.

It's economics not race that determines much of the police actions these days. Can daddy afford a lawyer is one of the first things that they ask themselves before the street justice comes into play


There is no good or rich part of Clairton. This is in the Mon Valley, a part of Pittsburgh hit hard by plant closures.
 
2014-07-17 04:45:26 PM  

Perpetuous Procrastination: Headso: jst3p: Whether or not the force was excessive is debatable

fark.com does have enough bootlickers and authoritarians where it is actually debatable, yeah.

-2/10. You're not even trying, and this isn't Facebook or Faux News.


if it was the comments section of fox news there might be slightly more support for the beating, she does have a black sounding name. But farkers are more the scared of their own shadow types so the motivation for their apologia is slightly different.
 
2014-07-17 04:45:37 PM  

MycroftHolmes: Click Click D'oh: redmid17: I'm saying that tackling her was *completely* unnecessary and the cops escalated a situation which, in no way shape or form, required it.

Since you've finally admitted she was running from the police, how would you have stopped her?  Assuming no feats of supernatural strength or speed.

"Grab her arm, shoulder, or run in front of the walking teenager..."


It's a little hard to run in front of someone who starts running away at the same angle and in the same direction you started running at them in.  She wasn't walking by the time the first one was in mid tackle.
 
2014-07-17 04:45:40 PM  

Click Click D'oh: pedrop357: I wouldn't have stopped her to begin with.

So, you're position is that police who are actively questioning people in conjunction with illegal activities should just allow suspects to walk away and do nothing about it?

Okay....


I wouldn't actively question someone walking down the street with ice cream in their hand unless a BOLO had been issued for people carrying ice cream and/or a recent robbery of an ice cream store.
 
2014-07-17 04:45:43 PM  

Click Click D'oh: MycroftHolmes: "Grab her arm, shoulder, or run in front of the walking teenager..."

Because doing those actions to a running person would never, ever result in something that looks exactly like a tackle... right?


Just so you know, I agree with you, I was quoting Redmid from upthread when I asked him the same question
 
2014-07-17 04:46:29 PM  

redmid17: ....and the other can take the car, drive it up the street, park it in front of the girl, and calmly address her.


Every agency I know of prohibits pursuit of a subject on foot with a patrol unit for a very good reason.
 
2014-07-17 04:46:32 PM  

MycroftHolmes: Click Click D'oh: redmid17: I'm saying that tackling her was *completely* unnecessary and the cops escalated a situation which, in no way shape or form, required it.

Since you've finally admitted she was running from the police, how would you have stopped her?  Assuming no feats of supernatural strength or speed.

"Grab her arm, shoulder, or run in front of the walking teenager..."


It's either that or they tripped and accidentally slammed into her making her think it was a tackle.  Leaping generally makes sense.
 
2014-07-17 04:47:23 PM  

tlars699: I am not being intellecutally dishonest. First one thing happened, and then the next thing happened. One started, and caused the other to be set in motion.

Also, it has been my position in the thread that  even if the police were right, that she technically had been resisting arrest, that they methods they used to stop her were far in excess.

Yours  seems to be that it was okay, and she should have known better/expected it, despite not having been on the wrong side of the law prior.


We're getting close to at least honest discussion here, finally. The debate about excess force for me hinges on one thing: evidence that such force actually occurred. The picture in the article isn't helping her cause, but of course we can't see internal injuries.

With that said, however, typically if you've got more than minor bruising from a knee/leg on your neck during arrest you're going to have some exterior damage, too; that damage doesn't seem to be present. Her face looks unmolested despite being tackled, so it's probable that those cuts/abrasions are to the knees, legs, arms, hands, etc - typically fall damage.

Given the totality of the circumstances, signs point to her making her "injuries" sound worse than they are to garner sympathy and support, and it's working fantastically well.

As for the hair pulling: who really cares? Hair is a GREAT way to control someone, and as far as I'm concerned it's not over the line to use it for that purpose when someone is fighting you. Hell, it's a part of the uniform in the NFL, why shouldn't police grab it if you're being violence towards them?
 
2014-07-17 04:47:37 PM  

Click Click D'oh: redmid17: I'm saying that tackling her was *completely* unnecessary and the cops escalated a situation which, in no way shape or form, required it.

Since you've finally admitted she was running from the police, how would you have stopped her?  Assuming no feats of supernatural strength or speed.


Well you have her friends. You can get her name. Just issue her a ticket later and have a nice talk with her parents about the curfew. No injuries, no bad PR, and some revenue for the city.
 
2014-07-17 04:48:06 PM  

pedrop357: I wouldn't actively question someone walking down the street with ice cream in their hand


So, as a police officer sworn to uphold the laws of your jurisdiction, you wouldn't uphold the laws of your jurisdiction?  Sounds like a short career path for you.
 
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