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2014-07-17 09:35:38 AM
Dear Sovereign Citizen,

So, you're not a citizen of the United States? That makes you a foreigner in the country. Foreigners still have to abide by the law of the country they're visiting. Also, you do not have diplomatic immunity if America does not have diplomatic relations with your country. While we're at it, you need to have a valid visa to be visiting our country. Don't have one? Let's deport you to some other country.

Hugs and kisses,

The Rest of Us
 
2014-07-17 09:51:06 AM

DeaH: Dear Sovereign Citizen,

So, you're not a citizen of the United States? That makes you a foreigner in the country. Foreigners still have to abide by the law of the country they're visiting. Also, you do not have diplomatic immunity if America does not have diplomatic relations with your country. While we're at it, you need to have a valid visa to be visiting our country. Don't have one? Let's deport you to some other country.

Hugs and kisses,

The Rest of Us


Only problem with that:  What other country?  I believe the USA does allow one to renounce citizenship.  Some nations don't unless you can prove citizenship in another (why Cruz had a hard time renouncing his Canadian citizenship), but I think we allow people to become stateless.  To where do you deport a stateless person?
 
2014-07-17 09:55:00 AM

nekom: DeaH: Dear Sovereign Citizen,

So, you're not a citizen of the United States? That makes you a foreigner in the country. Foreigners still have to abide by the law of the country they're visiting. Also, you do not have diplomatic immunity if America does not have diplomatic relations with your country. While we're at it, you need to have a valid visa to be visiting our country. Don't have one? Let's deport you to some other country.

Hugs and kisses,

The Rest of Us

Only problem with that:  What other country?  I believe the USA does allow one to renounce citizenship.  Some nations don't unless you can prove citizenship in another (why Cruz had a hard time renouncing his Canadian citizenship), but I think we allow people to become stateless.  To where do you deport a stateless person?


Nevada?
 
2014-07-17 09:56:27 AM

nekom: To where do you deport a stateless person?


I believe Somalia is the locale of choice for those who don't want burdensome governmental interference into their affairs.
 
2014-07-17 09:58:50 AM
Sigh.

I just kinda feel sorry for the Sovereign Citizens (the ones who do it defensively, not the ones who start trying to have a revolution). It's clearly something that stems from a  deep sense of powerlessness, and gives people a hope that they can somehow regain power through, essentially, magic.
 
2014-07-17 10:01:57 AM
FTFA: Acting in his own defense,

I think I see the problem.
 
2014-07-17 10:16:52 AM
"Your laws are violating my rights," Mr. Zapata told First District Judge Jack Vitale. "My rights don't come from the Constitution. My rights come from the creator."

Fine.  Then call this creator to appear.  Failure to appear and claim responsibility for this...person...then voids his claims.
 
2014-07-17 10:17:39 AM
Or, put him on a small raft and push him out to sea.  I'm flexible if anything.
 
2014-07-17 10:29:11 AM

nekom: DeaH: Dear Sovereign Citizen,

So, you're not a citizen of the United States? That makes you a foreigner in the country. Foreigners still have to abide by the law of the country they're visiting. Also, you do not have diplomatic immunity if America does not have diplomatic relations with your country. While we're at it, you need to have a valid visa to be visiting our country. Don't have one? Let's deport you to some other country.

Hugs and kisses,

The Rest of Us

Only problem with that:  What other country?  I believe the USA does allow one to renounce citizenship.  Some nations don't unless you can prove citizenship in another (why Cruz had a hard time renouncing his Canadian citizenship), but I think we allow people to become stateless.  To where do you deport a stateless person?


A garbage scow in the North Atlantic?
 
2014-07-17 10:36:55 AM

ManateeGag: FTFA: Acting in his own defense,

I think I see the problem.


His lawyer's an idiot?

// just completing the joke
 
2014-07-17 10:37:36 AM
 
2014-07-17 10:37:54 AM
"My rights don't come from the Constitution. My rights come from the creator."


Mommy and Daddy said it was okay?
 
2014-07-17 10:38:24 AM
P.Barnes knows how to deal with this guy.
totalfratmove.s3.amazonaws.com
 
2014-07-17 10:38:53 AM
We used to institutionalize these people.
 
2014-07-17 10:40:39 AM
Dino 'he's a real arsehole you can quote me on that' Zaffina?
 
2014-07-17 10:40:48 AM
Does he like darts?
 
2014-07-17 10:41:27 AM

DeaH: Dear Sovereign Citizen,

So, you're not a citizen of the United States? That makes you a foreigner in the country. Foreigners still have to abide by the law of the country they're visiting. Also, you do not have diplomatic immunity if America does not have diplomatic relations with your country. While we're at it, you need to have a valid visa to be visiting our country. Don't have one? Let's deport you to some other country.

Hugs and kisses,

The Rest of Us


Sadly, logic and reason are powerless in the face of mental illness.
 
2014-07-17 10:41:34 AM

Wellon Dowd: We used to institutionalize these people.


Now we elect them to public office.
 
2014-07-17 10:41:45 AM
This guy read a bunch of madness about Maritime Law.  Some researcher guy has all this madness on the net about why our system of law is actually maritime law.  Its too weird to really get into and think it would ever help me.  Don't think I would ever attempt anything this guy tried since I am smart enough to know I am dumb.
 
2014-07-17 10:41:58 AM

Rincewind53: Sigh.

I just kinda feel sorry for the Sovereign Citizens (the ones who do it defensively, not the ones who start trying to have a revolution). It's clearly something that stems from a  deep sense of powerlessness, and gives people a hope that they can somehow regain power through, essentially, magic.


He forgot to inform the maritime court that he didn't wish to create joinder with the prosecutor. That would've solved everything.
 
2014-07-17 10:42:28 AM
I love these guys. They're just the right amount of crazy to make your day interesting provided you're not the local official they're harassing.
 
2014-07-17 10:42:29 AM
"Your laws are violating my rights," Mr. Zapata told First District Judge Jack Vitale. "My rights don't come from the Constitution. My rights come from the creator."

img.fark.net
 
2014-07-17 10:45:03 AM

airsupport: Does he like darts?


ooooooooo that was close.
 
2014-07-17 10:45:08 AM
REMSPECT
 
2014-07-17 10:45:23 AM
They watched a few Law & Order episodes where a case was thrown out on a minor technicality and think they can pull it off.
 
2014-07-17 10:45:31 AM

LarryDan43: "My rights don't come from the Constitution. My rights come from the creator."


Mommy and Daddy said it was okay?


Huh, I often hear how the Constitution supposedly came from that creator.
 
2014-07-17 10:45:36 AM
He must've noticed the gold fringe on the flag in the courtroom.
 
2014-07-17 10:46:56 AM

nekom: DeaH: Dear Sovereign Citizen,

So, you're not a citizen of the United States? That makes you a foreigner in the country. Foreigners still have to abide by the law of the country they're visiting. Also, you do not have diplomatic immunity if America does not have diplomatic relations with your country. While we're at it, you need to have a valid visa to be visiting our country. Don't have one? Let's deport you to some other country.

Hugs and kisses,

The Rest of Us

Only problem with that:  What other country?  I believe the USA does allow one to renounce citizenship.  Some nations don't unless you can prove citizenship in another (why Cruz had a hard time renouncing his Canadian citizenship), but I think we allow people to become stateless.  To where do you deport a stateless person?


Anyone who even breathes the words "sovereign citizen" in their defense should be hauled out to sea five miles by the Coast Guard, set on a raft, and told "Good Luck, Bobby McBootstrappy". See how farking sovereign they are then.
 
2014-07-17 10:47:28 AM
Edward Everett Hale...

The Man Without a Country" ... ?
 
2014-07-17 10:47:46 AM

nekom: DeaH: Dear Sovereign Citizen,

So, you're not a citizen of the United States? That makes you a foreigner in the country. Foreigners still have to abide by the law of the country they're visiting. Also, you do not have diplomatic immunity if America does not have diplomatic relations with your country. While we're at it, you need to have a valid visa to be visiting our country. Don't have one? Let's deport you to some other country.

Hugs and kisses,

The Rest of Us

Only problem with that:  What other country?  I believe the USA does allow one to renounce citizenship.  Some nations don't unless you can prove citizenship in another (why Cruz had a hard time renouncing his Canadian citizenship), but I think we allow people to become stateless.  To where do you deport a stateless person?


I don't think we allow people to become stateless.  Correct me if I'm wrong on this, but I believe in order to renounce  your citizenship you must be outside the US, doing it at a consulate or embassy, which means you already entered that foreign state somehow.  Just going to an embassy and lighting your passport on fire is nothing more than a symbolic act, there's a ton of forms (and a lot of tax liability) to be filed and sorted out, and I think one of them is to verify that you have at least a residency permit/green card equivalent in your new host country.
 
2014-07-17 10:48:27 AM

jayhawk88: nekom: DeaH: Dear Sovereign Citizen,

So, you're not a citizen of the United States? That makes you a foreigner in the country. Foreigners still have to abide by the law of the country they're visiting. Also, you do not have diplomatic immunity if America does not have diplomatic relations with your country. While we're at it, you need to have a valid visa to be visiting our country. Don't have one? Let's deport you to some other country.

Hugs and kisses,

The Rest of Us

Only problem with that:  What other country?  I believe the USA does allow one to renounce citizenship.  Some nations don't unless you can prove citizenship in another (why Cruz had a hard time renouncing his Canadian citizenship), but I think we allow people to become stateless.  To where do you deport a stateless person?

Anyone who even breathes the words "sovereign citizen" in their defense should be hauled out to sea five miles by the Coast Guard, set on a raft, and told "Good Luck, Bobby McBootstrappy". See how farking sovereign they are then.


Yeah, because this is America, where we punish speech we don't like with exile! Wooo, 'Murica!
 
2014-07-17 10:49:50 AM

jm105: P.Barnes knows how to deal with this guy.
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I never get tired of P. Barnes references when discussing the sovereign idiots movement.
 
2014-07-17 10:50:18 AM

nekom: To where do you deport a stateless person?


Western Sahara, Gaza, or the West Bank.
 
2014-07-17 10:50:36 AM

Theaetetus: Rincewind53: Sigh.

I just kinda feel sorry for the Sovereign Citizens (the ones who do it defensively, not the ones who start trying to have a revolution). It's clearly something that stems from a  deep sense of powerlessness, and gives people a hope that they can somehow regain power through, essentially, magic.

He forgot to inform the maritime court that he didn't wish to create joinder with the prosecutor. That would've solved everything.


There's probably a lot of money to be made out of the Sovereign Citizen equivalent of voodoo dolls; books of "maritime law words of power" that automatically make the courts do what you say, because they are required to!
 
2014-07-17 10:51:35 AM

Theaetetus: jayhawk88: nekom: DeaH: Dear Sovereign Citizen,

So, you're not a citizen of the United States? That makes you a foreigner in the country. Foreigners still have to abide by the law of the country they're visiting. Also, you do not have diplomatic immunity if America does not have diplomatic relations with your country. While we're at it, you need to have a valid visa to be visiting our country. Don't have one? Let's deport you to some other country.

Hugs and kisses,

The Rest of Us

Only problem with that:  What other country?  I believe the USA does allow one to renounce citizenship.  Some nations don't unless you can prove citizenship in another (why Cruz had a hard time renouncing his Canadian citizenship), but I think we allow people to become stateless.  To where do you deport a stateless person?

Anyone who even breathes the words "sovereign citizen" in their defense should be hauled out to sea five miles by the Coast Guard, set on a raft, and told "Good Luck, Bobby McBootstrappy". See how farking sovereign they are then.

Yeah, because this is America, where we punish speech we don't like with exile! Wooo, 'Murica!


Go into a hospital and say you are going to kill/harm yourself.  You'll get exiled into a ward faster than you can shiat after eating taco bell.

We already punish speech we don't like to hear.  I'm in agreement that after a certain amount of wasted state resources trying to get these people to recognize they must follow the US laws, they should be reviewed for institutionalization.

If a few of these farkers get locked up, maybe the others will take a hint.
 
2014-07-17 10:51:44 AM

Comic Book Guy: nekom: DeaH: Dear Sovereign Citizen,

So, you're not a citizen of the United States? That makes you a foreigner in the country. Foreigners still have to abide by the law of the country they're visiting. Also, you do not have diplomatic immunity if America does not have diplomatic relations with your country. While we're at it, you need to have a valid visa to be visiting our country. Don't have one? Let's deport you to some other country.

Hugs and kisses,

The Rest of Us

Only problem with that:  What other country?  I believe the USA does allow one to renounce citizenship.  Some nations don't unless you can prove citizenship in another (why Cruz had a hard time renouncing his Canadian citizenship), but I think we allow people to become stateless.  To where do you deport a stateless person?

I don't think we allow people to become stateless.  Correct me if I'm wrong on this, but I believe in order to renounce  your citizenship you must be outside the US, doing it at a consulate or embassy, which means you already entered that foreign state somehow.  Just going to an embassy and lighting your passport on fire is nothing more than a symbolic act, there's a ton of forms (and a lot of tax liability) to be filed and sorted out, and I think one of them is to verify that you have at least a residency permit/green card equivalent in your new host country.


I'm sure we can call some favors in in Iraq. Or Liberia.
 
2014-07-17 10:52:30 AM

wxboy: LarryDan43: "My rights don't come from the Constitution. My rights come from the creator."


Mommy and Daddy said it was okay?

Huh, I often hear how the Constitution supposedly came from that creator.


It did come from the creator. There was a bunch of them and they all signed their names to it.
 
2014-07-17 10:53:11 AM

jayhawk88: nekom: DeaH: Dear Sovereign Citizen,

So, you're not a citizen of the United States? That makes you a foreigner in the country. Foreigners still have to abide by the law of the country they're visiting. Also, you do not have diplomatic immunity if America does not have diplomatic relations with your country. While we're at it, you need to have a valid visa to be visiting our country. Don't have one? Let's deport you to some other country.

Hugs and kisses,

The Rest of Us

Only problem with that:  What other country?  I believe the USA does allow one to renounce citizenship.  Some nations don't unless you can prove citizenship in another (why Cruz had a hard time renouncing his Canadian citizenship), but I think we allow people to become stateless.  To where do you deport a stateless person?

Anyone who even breathes the words "sovereign citizen" in their defense should be hauled out to sea five miles by the Coast Guard, set on a raft, and told "Good Luck, Bobby McBootstrappy". See how farking sovereign they are then.


5 miles is too short.  24 nautical miles (27 land miles) is the absolute limit that the US government can enforce immigration laws.
 
2014-07-17 10:54:05 AM

vicioushobbit: Theaetetus: jayhawk88: nekom: DeaH: Dear Sovereign Citizen,

So, you're not a citizen of the United States? That makes you a foreigner in the country. Foreigners still have to abide by the law of the country they're visiting. Also, you do not have diplomatic immunity if America does not have diplomatic relations with your country. While we're at it, you need to have a valid visa to be visiting our country. Don't have one? Let's deport you to some other country.

Hugs and kisses,

The Rest of Us

Only problem with that:  What other country?  I believe the USA does allow one to renounce citizenship.  Some nations don't unless you can prove citizenship in another (why Cruz had a hard time renouncing his Canadian citizenship), but I think we allow people to become stateless.  To where do you deport a stateless person?

Anyone who even breathes the words "sovereign citizen" in their defense should be hauled out to sea five miles by the Coast Guard, set on a raft, and told "Good Luck, Bobby McBootstrappy". See how farking sovereign they are then.

Yeah, because this is America, where we punish speech we don't like with exile! Wooo, 'Murica!

Go into a hospital and say you are going to kill/harm yourself.  You'll get exiled into a ward faster than you can shiat after eating taco bell.


If only there were some sort of distinction between threatening to harm yourself and uttering the words "sovereign citizen"...

We already punish speech we don't like to hear.  I'm in agreement that after a certain amount of wasted state resources trying to get these people to recognize they must follow the US laws, they should be reviewed for institutionalization.

If a few of these farkers get locked up, maybe the others will take a hint.


I'm always amazed by people who suggest that the way to stop these idiots who don't know anything about the Constitution is to violate the Constitution.
 
2014-07-17 10:54:05 AM
Parlay!!!
 
2014-07-17 10:54:32 AM

nekom: Only problem with that: What other country? I believe the USA does allow one to renounce citizenship. Some nations don't unless you can prove citizenship in another (why Cruz had a hard time renouncing his Canadian citizenship), but I think we allow people to become stateless. To where do you deport a stateless person?


Onto one of those 'ships of lost souls', where he can cruise the oceans with other lost souls, forever telling his story.
 
2014-07-17 10:54:49 AM
Little known legal fact:  US law is heavily based on English law which in turn comes from Roman, Anglo Saxon and Norman law.  The Roman alphabet does not contain the letters J, U and W. Any document with these letters is invalid.  All Search Warrants are invalid simply because they don't use the correct alphabet.  You only have to let the police in if they have a Search VVarrant.
 
2014-07-17 10:55:25 AM

tlenon: Edward Everett Hale...

The Man Without a Country" ... ?


^ This.  Read the story - perfect solution...
 
2014-07-17 10:55:53 AM

Rincewind53: Theaetetus: Rincewind53: Sigh.

I just kinda feel sorry for the Sovereign Citizens (the ones who do it defensively, not the ones who start trying to have a revolution). It's clearly something that stems from a  deep sense of powerlessness, and gives people a hope that they can somehow regain power through, essentially, magic.

He forgot to inform the maritime court that he didn't wish to create joinder with the prosecutor. That would've solved everything.

There's probably a lot of money to be made out of the Sovereign Citizen equivalent of voodoo dolls; books of "maritime law words of power" that automatically make the courts do what you say, because they are required to!


Unfortunately, they're almost uniformly poor, and there aren't that many of them so you can't even make it up in volume.

... however, televising their trials and selling advertising would probably bring a decent take. Particularly if it's advertising for lawyers.
 
2014-07-17 10:56:27 AM

Theaetetus: vicioushobbit: Theaetetus: jayhawk88: nekom: DeaH: Dear Sovereign Citizen,

So, you're not a citizen of the United States? That makes you a foreigner in the country. Foreigners still have to abide by the law of the country they're visiting. Also, you do not have diplomatic immunity if America does not have diplomatic relations with your country. While we're at it, you need to have a valid visa to be visiting our country. Don't have one? Let's deport you to some other country.

Hugs and kisses,

The Rest of Us

Only problem with that:  What other country?  I believe the USA does allow one to renounce citizenship.  Some nations don't unless you can prove citizenship in another (why Cruz had a hard time renouncing his Canadian citizenship), but I think we allow people to become stateless.  To where do you deport a stateless person?

Anyone who even breathes the words "sovereign citizen" in their defense should be hauled out to sea five miles by the Coast Guard, set on a raft, and told "Good Luck, Bobby McBootstrappy". See how farking sovereign they are then.

Yeah, because this is America, where we punish speech we don't like with exile! Wooo, 'Murica!

Go into a hospital and say you are going to kill/harm yourself.  You'll get exiled into a ward faster than you can shiat after eating taco bell.

If only there were some sort of distinction between threatening to harm yourself and uttering the words "sovereign citizen"...

We already punish speech we don't like to hear.  I'm in agreement that after a certain amount of wasted state resources trying to get these people to recognize they must follow the US laws, they should be reviewed for institutionalization.

If a few of these farkers get locked up, maybe the others will take a hint.

I'm always amazed by people who suggest that the way to stop these idiots who don't know anything about the Constitution is to violate the Constitution.


I'm suggesting a due process for it.  That's not a violation.  I'm also not saying upon utterance of "sovereign citizen", I'm saying upon spending years entangled in court claiming that they arent' held to its authority because of freaking gold on the flag fringe.
 
2014-07-17 10:57:35 AM

Cheron: Little known legal fact:  US law is heavily based on English law which in turn comes from Roman, Anglo Saxon and Norman law.  The Roman alphabet does not contain the letters J, U and W. Any document with these letters is invalid.  All Search Warrants are invalid simply because they don't use the correct alphabet.  You only have to let the police in if they have a Search VVarrant.


You have to watch out for the Coast Guard, though, because they have jurisdiction over you since the human body is 70% water.
 
2014-07-17 10:58:27 AM

bigbadideasinaction: Comic Book Guy: nekom: DeaH: Dear Sovereign Citizen,

So, you're not a citizen of the United States? That makes you a foreigner in the country. Foreigners still have to abide by the law of the country they're visiting. Also, you do not have diplomatic immunity if America does not have diplomatic relations with your country. While we're at it, you need to have a valid visa to be visiting our country. Don't have one? Let's deport you to some other country.

Hugs and kisses,

The Rest of Us

Only problem with that:  What other country?  I believe the USA does allow one to renounce citizenship.  Some nations don't unless you can prove citizenship in another (why Cruz had a hard time renouncing his Canadian citizenship), but I think we allow people to become stateless.  To where do you deport a stateless person?

I don't think we allow people to become stateless.  Correct me if I'm wrong on this, but I believe in order to renounce  your citizenship you must be outside the US, doing it at a consulate or embassy, which means you already entered that foreign state somehow.  Just going to an embassy and lighting your passport on fire is nothing more than a symbolic act, there's a ton of forms (and a lot of tax liability) to be filed and sorted out, and I think one of them is to verify that you have at least a residency permit/green card equivalent in your new host country.

I'm sure we can call some favors in in Iraq. Or Liberia.


I'm partial to Afghanistan.  They want to be rugged individualists, there's plenty of rugged terrain along the Pak border.  Plus, since the government control along there is pretty much non-existant, they are free to carve out their own little empire and defend it, just like the Creator(s) intended.  I would just advise caution on who you shoot at, shooting at anyone with a helmet is bound to get you a nice Hellfire/Spectre care package.
 
2014-07-17 10:59:02 AM

Cheron: Little known legal fact:  US law is heavily based on English law which in turn comes from Roman, Anglo Saxon and Norman law.  The Roman alphabet does not contain the letters J, U and W. Any document with these letters is invalid.  All Search Warrants are invalid simply because they don't use the correct alphabet.  You only have to let the police in if they have a Search VVarrant.


Or a Search Guarrant.
 
2014-07-17 10:59:17 AM

nekom: DeaH: Dear Sovereign Citizen,

So, you're not a citizen of the United States? That makes you a foreigner in the country. Foreigners still have to abide by the law of the country they're visiting. Also, you do not have diplomatic immunity if America does not have diplomatic relations with your country. While we're at it, you need to have a valid visa to be visiting our country. Don't have one? Let's deport you to some other country.

Hugs and kisses,

The Rest of Us

Only problem with that:  What other country?  I believe the USA does allow one to renounce citizenship.  Some nations don't unless you can prove citizenship in another (why Cruz had a hard time renouncing his Canadian citizenship), but I think we allow people to become stateless.  To where do you deport a stateless person?


International waters
 
2014-07-17 11:00:35 AM
He's going to believe in his magic law as hard as he can. He's going to believe the courts have no authority over him. He's going to believe the government owes him stuff.

I hope his belief gives him comfort when he goes to jail.
 
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