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(Joystiq)   Xbox One sales doubled from May to June after the debut of the kinect-less SKU. Both consumers are pleased with their purchase   (joystiq.com) divider line 96
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2014-07-17 10:33:52 AM  
Yeah fark that kinect bullshiat. If I wanted to exercise I wouldn't be playing video games, I'd be outside.
 
2014-07-17 11:01:32 AM  
Overall I would say I've enjoyed the Kinect on the 360. Seeing my fat-ass brother-in-law chop and kick on Fruit Ninja was worth it alone and my fiance enjoys the workout game.

Saying that, no farking duh the price drop will move more units. If I pick one up later it will be without the Kinect 2.0. There's now a fractured base, no motivation for developers to utilize it (even One exclusive developers), and it will remain a novelty.
 
2014-07-17 12:43:18 PM  

scottydoesntknow: If I pick one up later it will be without the Kinect 2.0. There's now a fractured base, no motivation for developers to utilize it (even One exclusive developers), and it will remain a novelty.


Maybe that was the point. They knew that the kinect thing was a gimmick so they opened with it to grab more money from the early adopters.
 
2014-07-17 02:00:02 PM  
I'll end up getting on eventually (Christmas this year maybe), but I will likely get the one with the Kinect. MS will likely drop the price of the one that has it by $50 to push more of those units, plus I want the voice activation.
 
2014-07-17 02:02:50 PM  

Mugato: scottydoesntknow: If I pick one up later it will be without the Kinect 2.0. There's now a fractured base, no motivation for developers to utilize it (even One exclusive developers), and it will remain a novelty.

Maybe that was the point. They knew that the kinect thing was a gimmick so they opened with it to grab more money from the early adopters.

It may be a gimmick, but I freak'n love being able to control my Xbox by voice. Last night I was watching a DVD on my PS3, and got up to go to the bathroom. Normally I just say "Xbox, pause" do my business and come back, "Xbox, play." No looking around for the controller, waking the controller up and then pausing. It took me a few seconds to figure out why my video wasn't pausing this time.
 
2014-07-17 02:03:30 PM  
Kinect is watching you masturbate.
 
2014-07-17 02:04:14 PM  
Are there any good games out for either system by now?
 
2014-07-17 02:04:41 PM  

sendtodave: Kinect is watching you masturbate.


Lots of people are.  That's why I set up the website, duh.
 
2014-07-17 02:05:39 PM  

scottydoesntknow: Overall I would say I've enjoyed the Kinect on the 360. Seeing my fat-ass brother-in-law chop and kick on Fruit Ninja was worth it alone and my fiance enjoys the workout game.

Saying that, no farking duh the price drop will move more units. If I pick one up later it will be without the Kinect 2.0. There's now a fractured base, no motivation for developers to utilize it (even One exclusive developers), and it will remain a novelty.


it was already a novelty... ask anybody who bought an xbone whether they played a game that used the kinect 2.0 and very few will say yes... the vast majority of use it got was voice commands, really you just need a microphone for that

even then voice commands were a "bonus" to the xbone OS - the meat and potatoes of the xbone OS is suspend/resume, snap, app support, media support, and steady major updates - all of which would be good/bad without voice commands

kinect 2.0 does have a future on PC, just not on a game console
 
2014-07-17 02:08:05 PM  

Mugato: scottydoesntknow: If I pick one up later it will be without the Kinect 2.0. There's now a fractured base, no motivation for developers to utilize it (even One exclusive developers), and it will remain a novelty.

Maybe that was the point. They knew that the kinect thing was a gimmick so they opened with it to grab more money from the early adopters.




Kinect was also part of their attempt to take over the television.
The unit has an infrared flasher that let's xbox control your DVR, speakers, and the tv itself. Which means hand waving and voice commands could replace all your remotes.

The main problem is its voice and motion recognition left a bit to be desired. The other problem is not every gamer was looking for a media center. Without more content to offer early adopters, the expense didn't deliver an equal amount of awesome to justify the money.

/I still believe it was a good idea, tho.
/as the system develops, people will likely buy the unit separately to get those functions.
/at a profit to Microsoft, if it happens.
 
2014-07-17 02:11:16 PM  
Waiting till tax season 2015 to grab mine.

Hoping that either the $500 version has been bumped down to $400ish OR the $400 has a deal for free games and such.
 
2014-07-17 02:12:22 PM  
I love the kinect on the xbox one, but whether it's worth $100 is debatable.  The voice commands are great, and they must of updated the voice recognition (either that or it learned my voice) but everything I say is spot on now.  Especially turning it on.  I used to have to shout and make sure to enunciate both xbox and on, but now when i walk in the door I just say xbox on and it always works.  I like when I come in the room and pick up the controller and it automatically switches to my profile too.  And using the QR codes to scan the bonus stuff rather than enter that 25 digit code is nice.  But again, worth $100... debatable.  However, I do enjoy the features.
 
2014-07-17 02:21:23 PM  
buttons are good. Making broad gestures gets annoying and tiring. I am not against all gesture UI's but if you have them they need to be done in away that doesn't give people fatigue quickly and make sense.
 
2014-07-17 02:24:02 PM  

way south: The main problem is its voice and motion recognition left a bit to be desired. The other problem is not every gamer was looking for a media center. Without more content to offer early adopters, the expense didn't deliver an equal amount of awesome to justify the money.


Third problem is that they're scared to death of the RIAA and MPAA. There are many video formats that won't play on the xbox and if you try to play audio files stored on OneDrive, it won't let you unless you subscribe to Xbox Music. Even if those mp3s are class lectures from last week, you still have to pay Microsoft, and by extension, the music industry, a toll. You can't be the master of the livingroom if you let third parties control what the end user can and cannot do.
 
2014-07-17 02:26:16 PM  

EngineerAU: way south: The main problem is its voice and motion recognition left a bit to be desired. The other problem is not every gamer was looking for a media center. Without more content to offer early adopters, the expense didn't deliver an equal amount of awesome to justify the money.

Third problem is that they're scared to death of the RIAA and MPAA. There are many video formats that won't play on the xbox and if you try to play audio files stored on OneDrive, it won't let you unless you subscribe to Xbox Music. Even if those mp3s are class lectures from last week, you still have to pay Microsoft, and by extension, the music industry, a toll. You can't be the master of the livingroom if you let third parties control what the end user can and cannot do.


well, you can at least play an audio cd, something you can't do on a ps4
 
2014-07-17 02:29:01 PM  

Jim from Saint Paul: Waiting till tax season 2015 to grab mine.


Or you can stop giving the government a free loan, change your withholdings, and get the damn thing now.
 
2014-07-17 02:32:14 PM  
I just bought an XBox One this month. I originally bought the version without the Kinect but returned it the next day to get the version with the Kinect. It was thinking I would just add a Kinect later if I wanted. Turns out MS says they'll sell the Kinect seperately for $179 but it doesn't seem available yet.

I'm not a console guy at all but I was shocked at how lousy the interface is and how god damn long it takes to install a game.  Also, everything time I play the damn thing, it knocks everyone in the house off the wireless network.  FFS, it looks like it even knocks itself off the wireless network.  MS can't do anything right.
 
2014-07-17 02:38:48 PM  

gingerjet: Jim from Saint Paul: Waiting till tax season 2015 to grab mine.

Or you can stop giving the government a free loan, change your withholdings, and get the damn thing now.



Already have. I have 3 walking and pooping tax writeoffs along with the house. that makes it all work out.
 
2014-07-17 02:55:13 PM  

AdamK: EngineerAU: way south: The main problem is its voice and motion recognition left a bit to be desired. The other problem is not every gamer was looking for a media center. Without more content to offer early adopters, the expense didn't deliver an equal amount of awesome to justify the money.

Third problem is that they're scared to death of the RIAA and MPAA. There are many video formats that won't play on the xbox and if you try to play audio files stored on OneDrive, it won't let you unless you subscribe to Xbox Music. Even if those mp3s are class lectures from last week, you still have to pay Microsoft, and by extension, the music industry, a toll. You can't be the master of the livingroom if you let third parties control what the end user can and cannot do.

well, you can at least play an audio cd, something you can't do on a ps4


Ya, it's great that the next one will have an 8 track player too.

/I'm saying your audio technology is dead
 
2014-07-17 02:58:16 PM  
I enjoy the voice commands a lot. I hate not having them when I'm watching something in another room. Xbox Fitness works well, but they desparately need to expand the offerings. I'd even pay. I couldn't imagine not having it as my entertainment center hub. Not having to switch inputs for three different devices is awesome.
 
2014-07-17 02:58:39 PM  
I keep forgetting the PS4 and Xbox One even exist...

This is shaping up to the be the only console generation to date from which I do not own at least one example. They just don't seem very compelling to me compared to a straight up computer.
 
2014-07-17 03:07:26 PM  
Put me in the camp who actually likes the Xbox One Kinect voice commands.  Granted I could give a crap about using it for games (I disable this when the game has the option), but I love being able to control my tv with my voice.  It is worth the $100 to me.

Of course I also like my Wii U for the tablet controller.

/I haven't even played my PS4 yet.
 
2014-07-17 03:07:35 PM  

skozlaw: I keep forgetting the PS4 and Xbox One even exist...

This is shaping up to the be the only console generation to date from which I do not own at least one example. They just don't seem very compelling to me compared to a straight up computer.


Yep. Although I'm leaning toward the PS4 now because they are leaning toward remastering a bunch of the PS3 games (never bought a PS3.)
 
2014-07-17 03:18:40 PM  

ReverendJynxed: skozlaw: I keep forgetting the PS4 and Xbox One even exist...

This is shaping up to the be the only console generation to date from which I do not own at least one example. They just don't seem very compelling to me compared to a straight up computer.

Yep. Although I'm leaning toward the PS4 now because they are leaning toward remastering a bunch of the PS3 games (never bought a PS3.)


They're getting their streaming system for older games up but it's way too farking expensive at the moment.
 
2014-07-17 03:20:10 PM  

kroonermanblack: AdamK: EngineerAU: way south: The main problem is its voice and motion recognition left a bit to be desired. The other problem is not every gamer was looking for a media center. Without more content to offer early adopters, the expense didn't deliver an equal amount of awesome to justify the money.

Third problem is that they're scared to death of the RIAA and MPAA. There are many video formats that won't play on the xbox and if you try to play audio files stored on OneDrive, it won't let you unless you subscribe to Xbox Music. Even if those mp3s are class lectures from last week, you still have to pay Microsoft, and by extension, the music industry, a toll. You can't be the master of the livingroom if you let third parties control what the end user can and cannot do.

well, you can at least play an audio cd, something you can't do on a ps4

Ya, it's great that the next one will have an 8 track player too.

/I'm saying your audio technology is dead


an 8 track player would be an upgrade for the ps4, as it is you can only listen to music via their subscription service, as a media device it is barely better than a wii u
 
2014-07-17 03:26:10 PM  

Jaden Smith First of His Name: Are there any good games out for either system by now?


depends on whether you download games or only buy physical... if you only buy physical and ignore small downloadable games you might get easily bored
 
2014-07-17 03:26:22 PM  

sendtodave: Kinect is watching you masturbate.


That's what I want so I can learn how many calories I'm tossing and if I have good form.
 
2014-07-17 03:37:29 PM  
Still overpriced for the hardware. Perhaps even more so than the Kinect version.
 
2014-07-17 03:45:40 PM  

AdamK: Jaden Smith First of His Name: Are there any good games out for either system by now?

depends on whether you download games or only buy physical... if you only buy physical and ignore small downloadable games you might get easily bored


Read: No great PS4/XboxOne AAA exclusive titles yet, no.

Most every game they pimp they made a 360/PS3 version that doesn't work functionally different (it just looks better on the new systems).

That'll change over time. New Assains Creed and Batman: Akrham Knight come to mind as new console exclusives I am personally excited for.
 
2014-07-17 03:50:28 PM  
We like the voice commands...hell, it's worth it to not need the remote controls all the time.
 
2014-07-17 03:52:11 PM  
I too am holding off. Nothing on there excites me. Sadly though, now that I've moved out of the city, I don't have people to game with(read as: DnD, board games, Xwing minis, et al.) on a regular basis so video games may be rekindled.
 
2014-07-17 03:58:28 PM  
Truly no reason to upgrade yet, not enough games to care about and don't really want to pay for the games I already own.
 
Ant
2014-07-17 04:03:05 PM  

Jaden Smith First of His Name: Are there any good games out for either system by now?


Watchdogs is pretty good. Forza 5 is fun.
 
Ant
2014-07-17 04:09:01 PM  

way south: The main problem is its voice and motion recognition left a bit to be desired.


I love hearing my wife yell at the Xbox.
"Xbox, turn on"
"XBOX, TURN ON!"
"Xbox, watch TV"
"XBOX, WATCH TV!"
"XBOX, WATCH TV!!!"
"God damn it! Where's the farking remote!?!"
 
2014-07-17 04:19:26 PM  
i3.minus.com

still have a huge steam & 360 backlog, so it'll be a long while before I pick a monkey in this fight
 
2014-07-17 04:36:10 PM  
I had a friend getting rid of their Xbox One because they had some Kindle streaming thing and didn't want the thing anymore. I didn't try to talk them out of it...I got an Xbox One + kinect + Madden 25 for $300.

I purchased pre-owned versions of COD Ghosts, BF4, and Titanfall from Wal-Mart for $26-32 and went to town.

This is the first console I've had since the original Xbox around the time Halo 2 came out. I love it.
----------------

I can't wait for the new Halo anniversary combo set to come out in November. I'll spend a little more time and decide whether I want to stick with the COD or BF line, but no complaints as of yet.

And, the snap keeps my GF complacent since I can put Jimmy Fallon or something on in the background.
 
2014-07-17 04:41:49 PM  
Haven't even tried my x360 in months to see if the DVD drive is fully broken yet. I didn't give up when I got the RROD. But, when it takes 30 minutes to "convince" the drive to load a game, it's amazing how fast you lose interest in the thing.

I've thought about replacing it. But the X1 won't play my 360 games. And I don't want to repurchase the 360 again. fark it.
 
2014-07-17 04:42:35 PM  

skozlaw: I keep forgetting the PS4 and Xbox One even exist...

This is shaping up to the be the only console generation to date from which I do not own at least one example. They just don't seem very compelling to me compared to a straight up computer.


I ended up picking up a PS4 around the time Ground Zeroes came out, and then got a used copy of Infamous: Second Son afterwards. Haven't touched the thing since though, 99% of my gaming is still done on my PC. Probably wont turn the PS4 on again (unless I get a hankering for more screwing around in Ground Zeroes) until Bloodborne comes out.
 
2014-07-17 04:48:19 PM  

Jim from Saint Paul: AdamK: Jaden Smith First of His Name: Are there any good games out for either system by now?

depends on whether you download games or only buy physical... if you only buy physical and ignore small downloadable games you might get easily bored

Read: No great PS4/XboxOne AAA exclusive titles yet, no.

Most every game they pimp they made a 360/PS3 version that doesn't work functionally different (it just looks better on the new systems).

That'll change over time. New Assains Creed and Batman: Akrham Knight come to mind as new console exclusives I am personally excited for.


It's the problem of cross-gen development.  Devs tend to like doing that the first year or so as the userbases build.  There are a lot of xb1/ps4/pc only games in the pipeline though, some come out this fall.
 
2014-07-17 04:49:54 PM  

lousyskater: skozlaw: I keep forgetting the PS4 and Xbox One even exist...

This is shaping up to the be the only console generation to date from which I do not own at least one example. They just don't seem very compelling to me compared to a straight up computer.

I ended up picking up a PS4 around the time Ground Zeroes came out, and then got a used copy of Infamous: Second Son afterwards. Haven't touched the thing since though, 99% of my gaming is still done on my PC. Probably wont turn the PS4 on again (unless I get a hankering for more screwing around in Ground Zeroes) until Bloodborne comes out.


I've had one since launch but find myself playing a lot of pc lately.  Scored several titles in the GOG summer sale, and Guildwars 2 has been rocking as of late.

Destiny Alpha was the last major ps4 game I played, and I'll probably throw down int he Destiny Beta and Oddworld New and Tasty soon though.
 
2014-07-17 04:55:40 PM  

Antimatter: Jim from Saint Paul: AdamK: Jaden Smith First of His Name: Are there any good games out for either system by now?

depends on whether you download games or only buy physical... if you only buy physical and ignore small downloadable games you might get easily bored

Read: No great PS4/XboxOne AAA exclusive titles yet, no.

Most every game they pimp they made a 360/PS3 version that doesn't work functionally different (it just looks better on the new systems).

That'll change over time. New Assains Creed and Batman: Akrham Knight come to mind as new console exclusives I am personally excited for.

It's the problem of cross-gen development.  Devs tend to like doing that the first year or so as the userbases build.  There are a lot of xb1/ps4/pc only games in the pipeline though, some come out this fall.


Exactly.
 
2014-07-17 05:21:23 PM  
Personally, I think we need to push for big discounts on download only AAA titles.  And why would microsoft totally go PC innards and not sell Office for XBox One?  Obviously, I am bored waiting for a decent high end game.  And still need to keep last gen to play the new Borderlands game, thanks Randy!
 
2014-07-17 05:46:36 PM  

Ant: Jaden Smith First of His Name: Are there any good games out for either system by now?

Watchdogs is pretty good. Forza 5 is fun.


Watchdogs got pretty harsh reviews from most people, I think 'derivative GTA clone with less to do, less content, and just overall less' was the best one.
 
2014-07-17 06:02:11 PM  

Antimatter: Jim from Saint Paul: AdamK: Jaden Smith First of His Name: Are there any good games out for either system by now?

depends on whether you download games or only buy physical... if you only buy physical and ignore small downloadable games you might get easily bored

Read: No great PS4/XboxOne AAA exclusive titles yet, no.

Most every game they pimp they made a 360/PS3 version that doesn't work functionally different (it just looks better on the new systems).

That'll change over time. New Assains Creed and Batman: Akrham Knight come to mind as new console exclusives I am personally excited for.

It's the problem of cross-gen development.  Devs tend to like doing that the first year or so as the userbases build.  There are a lot of xb1/ps4/pc only games in the pipeline though, some come out this fall.


it's a cycle that happens with every console launch: 1-2 months you get a slew of forgettable average titles with a couple gems, 3-4 months you get a couple of interesting titles if not mindblowing, months 5-10 it's an anguishing drought where you ask why you ever bought the thing, months 11-24 you get a tidal wave of system sellers, and then you get another drought, followed by a late tidal wave before you start hearing about the next round of consoles
 
2014-07-17 06:22:26 PM  
Got my Xbox back when the Titanfall bundles were on sale. $450 for the console, Kinect, and a game. Even without Kinect the new bundle is more expensive as I got a $60 game with mine. I was considering getting a PS4 and if I would have, I would have ended up spending more for console, game, and online service since I had just recently renewed Xbox live for my 360. Add in the price of the camera and it would have been even nor expensive.

Also, personally, I love Kinect. Love having voice control when watching videos on there.
 
2014-07-17 06:36:50 PM  
Double of a small number is still a small number.  June was only 76k in NA.

Sounds like they got back to their April level which was 115k, but Sony's been trouncing that.  Plus the new SKU XB1 wasn't even the best bang for your buck SKU, since the Titanfall bundle was still out there, you could sell the kinect back knowing its all been abandoned, and a few retailers threw in Forza 5 for free to boot!

As for Sony, they've been widening their lead every month since Dec.

Should have solid numbers soon:  http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=857224
 
2014-07-17 06:39:37 PM  

TyrantII: Double of a small number is still a small number.  June was only 76k in NA.

Sounds like they got back to their April level which was 115k, but Sony's been trouncing that.  Plus the new SKU XB1 wasn't even the best bang for your buck SKU, since the Titanfall bundle was still out there, you could sell the kinect back knowing its all been abandoned, and a few retailers threw in Forza 5 for free to boot!

As for Sony, they've been widening their lead every month since Dec.

Should have solid numbers soon:  http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=857224


Numbers just hit.  Looks like the ps4 is still outselling the Xb1 even with the price drop.  No hard numbers yet though.

As for software:

1. Watch Dogs (PS4, 360, Xbox One, PS3, PC)
2. Mario Kart 8 (Wii U)
3. Minecraft (360, PS3)
4. UFC (PS4, Xbox One)
5. FIFA 14 (PS4, 360, Xbox One, PS3, Vita)
6. NBA 2K14 (360, PS3, PS4, Xbox One, PC)
7. Wolfenstein: The New Order (PS4, Xbox One, 360, PS3, PC)
8. Call of Duty: Ghosts (360, PS4, PS3, Xbox One, Wii U, PC)
9. Tomodachi Life (3DS)
10. Grand Theft Auto V (360, PS3)

Listed in order of best selling sku at that.
 
2014-07-17 06:42:28 PM  

Antimatter: 3. Minecraft (360, PS3)


just lol
 
2014-07-17 06:42:54 PM  

kroonermanblack: Ant: Jaden Smith First of His Name: Are there any good games out for either system by now?

Watchdogs is pretty good. Forza 5 is fun.

Watchdogs got pretty harsh reviews from most people, I think 'derivative GTA clone with less to do, less content, and just overall less' was the best one.


Watchdogs is awesome.  There is tons to do in it, although the main story isn't as long as GTA, but most games aren't.  Watchdogs is very similar to GTA because it is an open sandbox game in a realistic looking city, but it brings new things to the table that I haven't seen in other games.  The hacking stuff is really interesting.  In a way the game reminds me of GTA combined with Assassin's Creed and Saboteur (but with hacking technology).  There is a lot of side stuff to do and some of them could be games on their own.

Additionally, the multiplayer experience is something new.  Basically you can "hack" into other people's games (or they can hack into yours) if you enable the feature.  This means that at any given time, you might have someone in the game following you and trying to "hack" you, when you get alerted you can try and stop them.  If they hack you before you stop them then they earn points that can be used to buy bonus stuff in game, if you stop them you get points.  You can also enter other people's games and do the same thing.  It's pretty interesting to be walking around minding your own business then be alerted that someone is trying to hack you and trying to figure out which of the random AI around you is doing it.  It's even funnier watching someone trying to find you because you can just "hear" them cursing to themselves about it.
 
2014-07-17 06:43:21 PM  

sprawl15: Antimatter: 3. Minecraft (360, PS3)

just lol


That train just does not stop.
 
2014-07-17 06:45:13 PM  
on a side note the new wolfenstein was a pretty entertaining manshoots
 
2014-07-17 06:55:35 PM  
doh'

i.imgur.com

Sony PR:
-PlayStation 4 was #1 in sales for the sixth consecutive month and remains the cumulative leader for next generation game consoles.
-PlayStation 4 was #1 for next generation software sales, with PS4 leading two of the top three titles.
-PlayStation was #1 in combined home console hardware sales (PlayStation 4 and PlayStation 3) for the month.
-The biggest next generation software titles, including Watch_Dogs, UFC and FIFA 14, were #1 on PlayStation 4, further demonstrating that PS4 is the platform of choice for blockbuster games.



MS IMO really needs to go hard beefing up their studios and investing in new IP's.  I don't think milking the Halo/Forza/Gears thing is going to work as well as it did in the past.  Sunset Overdrive is a good start, but the more the better.
 
2014-07-17 06:58:17 PM  

Ant: way south: The main problem is its voice and motion recognition left a bit to be desired.

I love hearing my wife yell at the Xbox.
"Xbox, turn on"
"XBOX, TURN ON!"
"Xbox, watch TV"
"XBOX, WATCH TV!"
"XBOX, WATCH TV!!!"
"God damn it! Where's the farking remote!?!"


Especially when the proper command is, "Xbox, on" and not "Xbox, turn on".
 
2014-07-17 07:01:28 PM  

sprawl15: on a side note the new wolfenstein was a pretty entertaining manshoots


I couldn't get past the awful trailer.  IIt just looked - cheap and dated.
 
2014-07-17 07:02:54 PM  

TyrantII: MS IMO really needs to go hard beefing up their studios and investing in new IP's.


preferably ips that don't depend on cinematic heavy, cod-esque 'gameplay' since that kind of game is the only place where the hardware inferiority might actually be an issue
 
2014-07-17 07:05:01 PM  

PillsHere: sprawl15: on a side note the new wolfenstein was a pretty entertaining manshoots

I couldn't get past the awful trailer.  IIt just looked - cheap and dated.


cool story
 
2014-07-17 07:14:54 PM  
TyrantII:


MS IMO really needs to go hard beefing up their studios and investing in new IP's.  I don't think milking the Halo/Forza/Gears thing is going to work as well as it did in the past.

The problem with cash cows is they tend to get milked long after they're dead.  See Final Fantasy for more on this.
 
2014-07-17 07:27:07 PM  

sprawl15: TyrantII: MS IMO really needs to go hard beefing up their studios and investing in new IP's.

preferably ips that don't depend on cinematic heavy, cod-esque 'gameplay' since that kind of game is the only place where the hardware inferiority might actually be an issue


Live by chasing COD, die by chasing COD.  COD players aren't going anywhere, and the "COD killer" will not be seen before it does the deed, it'll happen organically.  Just look at what happened to Titanfall, or all the PS3 "COD killers" last  gen; all forgotten. 

Honestly, having played the Destiny Alpha I think it has a good chance of being it.  It's also nothing like COD nor is it trying to be a COD killer.  It's just damn good fun.

More:  Xbox family sold the most software in June

MK8 was the top selling game in June 885K (physical)
 
2014-07-17 07:29:52 PM  

roughridersfan: Especially when the proper command is, "Xbox, on" and not "Xbox, turn on".


main screen turn on
 
2014-07-17 07:50:49 PM  

lordargent: roughridersfan: Especially when the proper command is, "Xbox, on" and not "Xbox, turn on".

main screen turn on


computer, xbox

TyrantII: Honestly, having played the Destiny Alpha I think it has a good chance of being it. It's also nothing like COD nor is it trying to be a COD killer. It's just damn good fun.


i've heard some mixed reviews on it, though generally on the good side of 'mixed'. not like the mixed reviews of elder scrolls online which should have been strangled at birth

knowing nothing about it i've heard people describe it as borderlands: the mmo, but i was never really a fan of borderlands so
 
2014-07-17 07:55:51 PM  

sprawl15: lordargent: roughridersfan: Especially when the proper command is, "Xbox, on" and not "Xbox, turn on".

main screen turn on

computer, xbox

TyrantII: Honestly, having played the Destiny Alpha I think it has a good chance of being it. It's also nothing like COD nor is it trying to be a COD killer. It's just damn good fun.

i've heard some mixed reviews on it, though generally on the good side of 'mixed'. not like the mixed reviews of elder scrolls online which should have been strangled at birth

knowing nothing about it i've heard people describe it as borderlands: the mmo, but i was never really a fan of borderlands so


It's really borderlands + halo + mass effect + guild wars 1.  The alpha was really quite fun, looking forward to spending some time with the beta as well.
 
2014-07-17 08:47:49 PM  

sprawl15: lordargent: roughridersfan: Especially when the proper command is, "Xbox, on" and not "Xbox, turn on".

main screen turn on

computer, xbox

TyrantII: Honestly, having played the Destiny Alpha I think it has a good chance of being it. It's also nothing like COD nor is it trying to be a COD killer. It's just damn good fun.

i've heard some mixed reviews on it, though generally on the good side of 'mixed'. not like the mixed reviews of elder scrolls online which should have been strangled at birth

knowing nothing about it i've heard people describe it as borderlands: the mmo, but i was never really a fan of borderlands so


It's really hard to describe other than they pulled off merging several different genres into a beautiful looking and seamless game that feels very much like Halo's true evolution.

Gunplay feel is very Halo-ish, while the open nature, coop strike missions, hubs and loot are very Borderlandish.  That said, it's not as incremental loot crazy, which always put me off in borderlands.  You're not getting gun drops every 3rd shot that really make you question your loadouts over micro %'s and in the end were worthless.  The leveling has some aRPG elements to it, and I guess you can call the hub areas and seamless COOP / world events MMO-ish.  Loading is cleverly hidden with space or on foot travel, with space travel using cosmetic loadouts that basically just pimp you're spaceship avatar over the other players you see traveling with you.  It's a nice way to hide a loading screen when jumping into MP.


All in all, play it with a couple of good friends and you'll be a true believer.  Solo might be a harder sell, but theres systems in there to make finding randoms when needed very easy.  In game world/fireteam/party/friends system is the best on a console yet IMO
 
2014-07-17 08:58:28 PM  
Now that you can get it without the Kinect, I may start considering buying one. That crap may be good for the younger crowd, but as an older adult gamer, I have no interest in standing in front of my TV jumping around like an idiot, nor do I want to be talking to may game as I play.
 
2014-07-17 09:12:35 PM  

lousyskater: skozlaw: I keep forgetting the PS4 and Xbox One even exist...

This is shaping up to the be the only console generation to date from which I do not own at least one example. They just don't seem very compelling to me compared to a straight up computer.

I ended up picking up a PS4 around the time Ground Zeroes came out, and then got a used copy of Infamous: Second Son afterwards. Haven't touched the thing since though, 99% of my gaming is still done on my PC. Probably wont turn the PS4 on again (unless I get a hankering for more screwing around in Ground Zeroes) until Bloodborne comes out.


Bloodborne is whats going to make me get a ps4
 
2014-07-17 09:35:37 PM  

roughridersfan: Ant: way south: The main problem is its voice and motion recognition left a bit to be desired.

I love hearing my wife yell at the Xbox.
"Xbox, turn on"
"XBOX, TURN ON!"
"Xbox, watch TV"
"XBOX, WATCH TV!"
"XBOX, WATCH TV!!!"
"God damn it! Where's the farking remote!?!"

Especially when the proper command is, "Xbox, on" and not "Xbox, turn on".


I thought it was "turn me on, xbox".
 
2014-07-17 09:42:02 PM  

TyrantII: All in all, play it with a couple of good friends and you'll be a true believer.


i honestly have not enjoyed a manshoots in quite a while. wolfenstein was one of the few since like...modern warfare 1 that was thoroughly entertaining to me

though i haven't played shadow warrior, which i picked up for like 3 bux and hear is worth a swing
 
2014-07-17 09:52:08 PM  
Subby should check PS4 sale in Japan
 
2014-07-17 09:54:07 PM  
http://www.ibtimes.com/ps4-vs-xbox-one-sales-why-sonys-console-isnt-se lling-well-japan-xbox-one-launch-september-1628682
 
2014-07-17 10:54:51 PM  

sprawl15: on a side note the new wolfenstein was a pretty entertaining manshoots


WTF is a 'manshoots'?

Is this 'I'm too cool' hipster posturing 'I'm going to call a FPS something no one else does to be edgy' bullshiat? Considering it's from Tardythetroll here, I'll assume so?

I googled it, and the only places I see it used are Rock, Paper, Shotgun, and other tiresome websites who think they're entirely too 'brilliant' for us all.  It smells of Reddit and 4chan.
 
2014-07-17 10:55:10 PM  

drjekel_mrhyde: Subby should check PS4 sale in Japan


Given the story is about US sales, I don't see why.

And yes, ps4 is selling very low in japan right now, about 7-8k a week.  There seems to be an utter lack of japanese games, and well, the console market in general seems to be tanking over there.  Sales in Europe and the americas is fine though, selling pretty high.
 
2014-07-17 11:07:31 PM  

Antimatter: There seems to be an utter lack of japanese games, and well, the console market in general seems to be tanking over there.


huh, i always just kind of assumed the playstation would be kind of a big deal over there

i wonder if that's because they're shifting markets or if it's more an issue with a short library with mostly cross-generation games that'll rectify itself in time
 
2014-07-17 11:18:18 PM  

sprawl15: i wonder if that's because they're shifting markets or if it's more an issue with a short library with mostly cross-generation games that'll rectify itself in time


little bit of googling seemed to answer my question for me: looks like handhelds are just running laps around the consoles

interesting. not really surprising, but interesting
 
2014-07-17 11:39:24 PM  

sprawl15: Antimatter: There seems to be an utter lack of japanese games, and well, the console market in general seems to be tanking over there.

huh, i always just kind of assumed the playstation would be kind of a big deal over there

i wonder if that's because they're shifting markets or if it's more an issue with a short library with mostly cross-generation games that'll rectify itself in time


Overall console sales have been pretty much on a downturn there the last few years, even on major release weeks.  Mobile is moving 2-3 times as many units, and seemingly, far more units of games.

Things might change once major japanese games come out, but so far, it's not a pretty sight.

kroonermanblack: sprawl15: on a side note the new wolfenstein was a pretty entertaining manshoots

WTF is a 'manshoots'?

Is this 'I'm too cool' hipster posturing 'I'm going to call a FPS something no one else does to be edgy' bullshiat? Considering it's from Tardythetroll here, I'll assume so?

I googled it, and the only places I see it used are Rock, Paper, Shotgun, and other tiresome websites who think they're entirely too 'brilliant' for us all.  It smells of Reddit and 4chan.


To be fair, the FPS genre has gotten pretty stale the last few years.  Many of the military fps games have a very 'same old same old' feel to them.  Of all the mainstream genres, I think it's the most in need of some fresh ideas and concepts.
 
2014-07-17 11:59:52 PM  

AdamK: Antimatter: Jim from Saint Paul: AdamK: Jaden Smith First of His Name: Are there any good games out for either system by now?

depends on whether you download games or only buy physical... if you only buy physical and ignore small downloadable games you might get easily bored

Read: No great PS4/XboxOne AAA exclusive titles yet, no.

Most every game they pimp they made a 360/PS3 version that doesn't work functionally different (it just looks better on the new systems).

That'll change over time. New Assains Creed and Batman: Akrham Knight come to mind as new console exclusives I am personally excited for.

It's the problem of cross-gen development.  Devs tend to like doing that the first year or so as the userbases build.  There are a lot of xb1/ps4/pc only games in the pipeline though, some come out this fall.

it's a cycle that happens with every console launch: 1-2 months you get a slew of forgettable average titles with a couple gems, 3-4 months you get a couple of interesting titles if not mindblowing, months 5-10 it's an anguishing drought where you ask why you ever bought the thing, months 11-24 you get a tidal wave of system sellers, and then you get another drought, followed by a late tidal wave before you start hearing about the next round of consoles


That's why my general rule of thumb is to get the new consoles the holiday season after launch. For the PS4, I'm going for the Uncharted 4 bundle if that hits holiday this year. You also get a lot of discounted first round games then, so you can get a lot of content cheap.
 
2014-07-18 06:23:47 AM  

Jaden Smith First of His Name: Are there any good games out for either system by now?


Wolfenstein is very good, hated Titanfall.
 
2014-07-18 07:47:45 AM  

Antimatter: drjekel_mrhyde: Subby should check PS4 sale in Japan

Given the story is about US sales, I don't see why.

And yes, ps4 is selling very low in japan right now, about 7-8k a week.  There seems to be an utter lack of japanese games, and well, the console market in general seems to be tanking over there.  Sales in Europe and the americas is fine though, selling pretty high.


Japan no longer matters in the grand scheme of thing sales-wise. The North American and European markets have grown too big and with China coming up, Japan is just a small island of old, racists xenophobes and perverts.  I'm sure the dating sims will still sell there, because it is Japan.
 
2014-07-18 08:49:55 AM  

Antimatter: lousyskater: skozlaw: I keep forgetting the PS4 and Xbox One even exist...

This is shaping up to the be the only console generation to date from which I do not own at least one example. They just don't seem very compelling to me compared to a straight up computer.

I ended up picking up a PS4 around the time Ground Zeroes came out, and then got a used copy of Infamous: Second Son afterwards. Haven't touched the thing since though, 99% of my gaming is still done on my PC. Probably wont turn the PS4 on again (unless I get a hankering for more screwing around in Ground Zeroes) until Bloodborne comes out.

I've had one since launch but find myself playing a lot of pc lately.  Scored several titles in the GOG summer sale, and Guildwars 2 has been rocking as of late.

Destiny Alpha was the last major ps4 game I played, and I'll probably throw down int he Destiny Beta and Oddworld New and Tasty soon though.


That new update this week for GW2 add anything good, haven't got to try it yet?  Been playing a lot of MLB the Show lately, and watchdogs so I just got through the first update for s2.
 
2014-07-18 09:01:24 AM  

sprawl15: lordargent: roughridersfan: Especially when the proper command is, "Xbox, on" and not "Xbox, turn on".

main screen turn on

computer, xbox

TyrantII: Honestly, having played the Destiny Alpha I think it has a good chance of being it. It's also nothing like COD nor is it trying to be a COD killer. It's just damn good fun.

i've heard some mixed reviews on it, though generally on the good side of 'mixed'. not like the mixed reviews of elder scrolls online which should have been strangled at birth

knowing nothing about it i've heard people describe it as borderlands: the mmo, but i was never really a fan of borderlands so


It played a lot like COD for me, but with MMO elements in there.  Looked like the game that that SyFy TV/game thing recently was going for.
 
2014-07-18 09:17:11 AM  

Zenith: Jaden Smith First of His Name: Are there any good games out for either system by now?

Wolfenstein is very good, hated Titanfall.


I bought Wolfenstein for the PC and can't get out of farkin plane.  I hate when developers do a poor PC port of a console title.
 
2014-07-18 09:51:54 AM  

physt: I bought Wolfenstein for the PC and can't get out of farkin plane.


wait what

what part is causing issues for you? there's a part where you have to walk over and punch a box and then dive into the water, is that the confusing bit?

NicktheSmoker: Looked like the game that that SyFy TV/game thing recently was going for.


uh...defiance? man i played the beta of that and it was the second most aggressively mediocre mmo i've seen

Antimatter: To be fair, the FPS genre has gotten pretty stale the last few years.  Many of the military fps games have a very 'same old same old' feel to them.  Of all the mainstream genres, I think it's the most in need of some fresh ideas and concepts.


i don't even really have a problem with manshoots - wolfenstein didn't really do anything new, it just did it with a real love for the genre and some pretty clever design decisions. it was a world of difference in feel from like bioshock, cod, or dishonored, when the relevant elements of each were pretty similar. and i loved modern warfare 1, even though the later games in the series (and offshoots) weren't that much different. it's more an issue of disliking the incredibly factory stamped production sucking the engagement out the genre.
 
2014-07-18 10:00:06 AM  

physt: Zenith: Jaden Smith First of His Name: Are there any good games out for either system by now?

Wolfenstein is very good, hated Titanfall.

I bought Wolfenstein for the PC and can't get out of farkin plane.  I hate when developers do a poor PC port of a console title.


UGH I'd buried that little bit of mental abuse and now it's bubbling back again. I doubt it's any easier on the console.
I'd tell you if I knew how the hell I did it but I'd be lying. it was pot luck.
it redeems itself though, thoroughly enjoying it now.
 
2014-07-18 10:04:44 AM  

Nemo's Brother: Japan no longer matters in the grand scheme of thing sales-wise.


It really is weird.  problem is that Japanese development is so state, that Japanese gamers lost interest in the consoles, and shifted their interest to portables, where interesting games are being produced.
 
2014-07-18 10:17:33 AM  

frepnog: problem is that Japanese development is so stale


there, ftfm
 
2014-07-18 10:38:44 AM  

sprawl15: physt: I bought Wolfenstein for the PC and can't get out of farkin plane.

wait what

what part is causing issues for you? there's a part where you have to walk over and punch a box and then dive into the water, is that the confusing bit?

NicktheSmoker: Looked like the game that that SyFy TV/game thing recently was going for.

uh...defiance? man i played the beta of that and it was the second most aggressively mediocre mmo i've seen

Antimatter: To be fair, the FPS genre has gotten pretty stale the last few years.  Many of the military fps games have a very 'same old same old' feel to them.  Of all the mainstream genres, I think it's the most in need of some fresh ideas and concepts.

i don't even really have a problem with manshoots - wolfenstein didn't really do anything new, it just did it with a real love for the genre and some pretty clever design decisions. it was a world of difference in feel from like bioshock, cod, or dishonored, when the relevant elements of each were pretty similar. and i loved modern warfare 1, even though the later games in the series (and offshoots) weren't that much different. it's more an issue of disliking the incredibly factory stamped production sucking the engagement out the genre.


Stop it right now, you hipster douche. You are not going to start this trend of calling them manshoots.  Being a gamer, by default, means you can't be a cool condescending prick. You can only be a social maladjusted, fat prick.
 
2014-07-18 10:44:18 AM  

Nemo's Brother: Being a gamer, by default, means you can't be a cool condescending prick. You can only be a social maladjusted, fat prick.


more like gaymer
 
2014-07-18 10:47:05 AM  

sprawl15: physt: I bought Wolfenstein for the PC and can't get out of farkin plane.

wait what

what part is causing issues for you? there's a part where you have to walk over and punch a box and then dive into the water, is that the confusing bit?


Yes, I punched the box. Now something is trying to get in and I have to slide under it somehow.  I'm sure that is easy to do on a console using a controller but the keys mapping on the PC is farked. It's a timed sequence so if you don't get under, then it stops the level, reloads then forces you to do it over again.

I hate canned movies with press 'A' sequences that try to pass as game play.
 
2014-07-18 10:50:23 AM  

physt: Yes, I punched the box. Now something is trying to get in and I have to slide under it somehow.


if it's the part where there's the monster robot dog trying to get in and you need to get to the machine gun to dogshoots, you dive in the water in the back of the plane. you don't run over land or slide under the dog, you just swim and follow the underwater lights that happen to lead you right to the gun you want and then blow them away

there are a few places later in the game where it kind of makes you do a slide, which i think is done by sprinting and then hitting crouch, but there wasn't one of those in the early plane bit
 
2014-07-18 10:52:17 AM  

sprawl15: physt: Yes, I punched the box. Now something is trying to get in and I have to slide under it somehow.

if it's the part where there's the monster robot dog trying to get in and you need to get to the machine gun to dogshoots, you dive in the water in the back of the plane. you don't run over land or slide under the dog, you just swim and follow the underwater lights that happen to lead you right to the gun you want and then blow them away

there are a few places later in the game where it kind of makes you do a slide, which i think is done by sprinting and then hitting crouch, but there wasn't one of those in the early plane bit


I'll have to try it again.  Thanks.
 
2014-07-18 10:53:26 AM  

physt: I'm sure that is easy to do on a console using a controller but the keys mapping on the PC is farked.


just plug in a 360 controller, easy-peasy.  the game was designed with a controller in mind and works well.
 
2014-07-18 10:59:05 AM  
I just looked it up on the web and found this.

img.fark.net

img.fark.net

Three keys and the mouse... that's where I'm stuck.  I'll dig out a wired 360 controller.  Pretty lame of the developers.
 
2014-07-18 11:14:03 AM  

physt: I just looked it up on the web and found this.


huh, i honestly can't remember having to slide there

my memory seems to be fried, but i do remember sprint being more of a toggle as long as you keep moving, and while it was too awkward to use in combat the few scripted things where you have to do it weren't that bad. but i do have p big hands, so there's that
 
2014-07-18 11:31:53 AM  

Nemo's Brother: sprawl15: physt: I bought Wolfenstein for the PC and can't get out of farkin plane.

wait what

what part is causing issues for you? there's a part where you have to walk over and punch a box and then dive into the water, is that the confusing bit?

NicktheSmoker: Looked like the game that that SyFy TV/game thing recently was going for.

uh...defiance? man i played the beta of that and it was the second most aggressively mediocre mmo i've seen

Antimatter: To be fair, the FPS genre has gotten pretty stale the last few years.  Many of the military fps games have a very 'same old same old' feel to them.  Of all the mainstream genres, I think it's the most in need of some fresh ideas and concepts.

i don't even really have a problem with manshoots - wolfenstein didn't really do anything new, it just did it with a real love for the genre and some pretty clever design decisions. it was a world of difference in feel from like bioshock, cod, or dishonored, when the relevant elements of each were pretty similar. and i loved modern warfare 1, even though the later games in the series (and offshoots) weren't that much different. it's more an issue of disliking the incredibly factory stamped production sucking the engagement out the genre.

Stop it right now, you hipster douche. You are not going to start this trend of calling them manshoots.  Being a gamer, by default, means you can't be a cool condescending prick. You can only be a social maladjusted, fat prick.


Welcome to the entire method of operations for Sprawl. I'd suggest ignoring him, this is his most sane.
 
2014-07-18 11:57:08 AM  

kroonermanblack: Welcome to the entire method of operations for Sprawl.


yeah there you go again, dragging our love life into the public eye

this is just like when you kept trying to bring up the vibrator over thanksgiving

my mother didn't need to hear that

if you want me to clean the bathroom, just say "hey go clean the bathroom". you know how i get with this kind of passive aggression
 
2014-07-18 12:30:25 PM  

NicktheSmoker: Antimatter: lousyskater: skozlaw: I keep forgetting the PS4 and Xbox One even exist...

This is shaping up to the be the only console generation to date from which I do not own at least one example. They just don't seem very compelling to me compared to a straight up computer.

I ended up picking up a PS4 around the time Ground Zeroes came out, and then got a used copy of Infamous: Second Son afterwards. Haven't touched the thing since though, 99% of my gaming is still done on my PC. Probably wont turn the PS4 on again (unless I get a hankering for more screwing around in Ground Zeroes) until Bloodborne comes out.

I've had one since launch but find myself playing a lot of pc lately.  Scored several titles in the GOG summer sale, and Guildwars 2 has been rocking as of late.

Destiny Alpha was the last major ps4 game I played, and I'll probably throw down int he Destiny Beta and Oddworld New and Tasty soon though.

That new update this week for GW2 add anything good, haven't got to try it yet?  Been playing a lot of MLB the Show lately, and watchdogs so I just got through the first update for s2.


New updated expanded dry top to add new areas, new events, new amberlite crafted weapons, new leyline gem store weapons, some awesome new story parts, and the most hype ending to a quest that GW2 has ever done.
 
2014-07-18 03:58:11 PM  

sprawl15: kroonermanblack: Welcome to the entire method of operations for Sprawl.

yeah there you go again, dragging our love life into the public eye

this is just like when you kept trying to bring up the vibrator over thanksgiving

my mother didn't need to hear that

if you want me to clean the bathroom, just say "hey go clean the bathroom". you know how i get with this kind of passive aggression


Is that supposed to make me feel uncomfortable or what? I don't like you, implying we have some kind of relationship isn't really making sense.
 
2014-07-18 04:15:15 PM  
So people didn't want overpriced wiretapping equipment in their living rooms?
 
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