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(Joystiq)   Xbox One sales doubled from May to June after the debut of the kinect-less SKU. Both consumers are pleased with their purchase   (joystiq.com) divider line 96
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2014-07-17 10:33:52 AM  
Yeah fark that kinect bullshiat. If I wanted to exercise I wouldn't be playing video games, I'd be outside.
 
2014-07-17 11:01:32 AM  
Overall I would say I've enjoyed the Kinect on the 360. Seeing my fat-ass brother-in-law chop and kick on Fruit Ninja was worth it alone and my fiance enjoys the workout game.

Saying that, no farking duh the price drop will move more units. If I pick one up later it will be without the Kinect 2.0. There's now a fractured base, no motivation for developers to utilize it (even One exclusive developers), and it will remain a novelty.
 
2014-07-17 12:43:18 PM  

scottydoesntknow: If I pick one up later it will be without the Kinect 2.0. There's now a fractured base, no motivation for developers to utilize it (even One exclusive developers), and it will remain a novelty.


Maybe that was the point. They knew that the kinect thing was a gimmick so they opened with it to grab more money from the early adopters.
 
2014-07-17 02:00:02 PM  
I'll end up getting on eventually (Christmas this year maybe), but I will likely get the one with the Kinect. MS will likely drop the price of the one that has it by $50 to push more of those units, plus I want the voice activation.
 
2014-07-17 02:02:50 PM  

Mugato: scottydoesntknow: If I pick one up later it will be without the Kinect 2.0. There's now a fractured base, no motivation for developers to utilize it (even One exclusive developers), and it will remain a novelty.

Maybe that was the point. They knew that the kinect thing was a gimmick so they opened with it to grab more money from the early adopters.

It may be a gimmick, but I freak'n love being able to control my Xbox by voice. Last night I was watching a DVD on my PS3, and got up to go to the bathroom. Normally I just say "Xbox, pause" do my business and come back, "Xbox, play." No looking around for the controller, waking the controller up and then pausing. It took me a few seconds to figure out why my video wasn't pausing this time.
 
2014-07-17 02:03:30 PM  
Kinect is watching you masturbate.
 
2014-07-17 02:04:14 PM  
Are there any good games out for either system by now?
 
2014-07-17 02:04:41 PM  

sendtodave: Kinect is watching you masturbate.


Lots of people are.  That's why I set up the website, duh.
 
2014-07-17 02:05:39 PM  

scottydoesntknow: Overall I would say I've enjoyed the Kinect on the 360. Seeing my fat-ass brother-in-law chop and kick on Fruit Ninja was worth it alone and my fiance enjoys the workout game.

Saying that, no farking duh the price drop will move more units. If I pick one up later it will be without the Kinect 2.0. There's now a fractured base, no motivation for developers to utilize it (even One exclusive developers), and it will remain a novelty.


it was already a novelty... ask anybody who bought an xbone whether they played a game that used the kinect 2.0 and very few will say yes... the vast majority of use it got was voice commands, really you just need a microphone for that

even then voice commands were a "bonus" to the xbone OS - the meat and potatoes of the xbone OS is suspend/resume, snap, app support, media support, and steady major updates - all of which would be good/bad without voice commands

kinect 2.0 does have a future on PC, just not on a game console
 
2014-07-17 02:08:05 PM  

Mugato: scottydoesntknow: If I pick one up later it will be without the Kinect 2.0. There's now a fractured base, no motivation for developers to utilize it (even One exclusive developers), and it will remain a novelty.

Maybe that was the point. They knew that the kinect thing was a gimmick so they opened with it to grab more money from the early adopters.




Kinect was also part of their attempt to take over the television.
The unit has an infrared flasher that let's xbox control your DVR, speakers, and the tv itself. Which means hand waving and voice commands could replace all your remotes.

The main problem is its voice and motion recognition left a bit to be desired. The other problem is not every gamer was looking for a media center. Without more content to offer early adopters, the expense didn't deliver an equal amount of awesome to justify the money.

/I still believe it was a good idea, tho.
/as the system develops, people will likely buy the unit separately to get those functions.
/at a profit to Microsoft, if it happens.
 
2014-07-17 02:11:16 PM  
Waiting till tax season 2015 to grab mine.

Hoping that either the $500 version has been bumped down to $400ish OR the $400 has a deal for free games and such.
 
2014-07-17 02:12:22 PM  
I love the kinect on the xbox one, but whether it's worth $100 is debatable.  The voice commands are great, and they must of updated the voice recognition (either that or it learned my voice) but everything I say is spot on now.  Especially turning it on.  I used to have to shout and make sure to enunciate both xbox and on, but now when i walk in the door I just say xbox on and it always works.  I like when I come in the room and pick up the controller and it automatically switches to my profile too.  And using the QR codes to scan the bonus stuff rather than enter that 25 digit code is nice.  But again, worth $100... debatable.  However, I do enjoy the features.
 
2014-07-17 02:21:23 PM  
buttons are good. Making broad gestures gets annoying and tiring. I am not against all gesture UI's but if you have them they need to be done in away that doesn't give people fatigue quickly and make sense.
 
2014-07-17 02:24:02 PM  

way south: The main problem is its voice and motion recognition left a bit to be desired. The other problem is not every gamer was looking for a media center. Without more content to offer early adopters, the expense didn't deliver an equal amount of awesome to justify the money.


Third problem is that they're scared to death of the RIAA and MPAA. There are many video formats that won't play on the xbox and if you try to play audio files stored on OneDrive, it won't let you unless you subscribe to Xbox Music. Even if those mp3s are class lectures from last week, you still have to pay Microsoft, and by extension, the music industry, a toll. You can't be the master of the livingroom if you let third parties control what the end user can and cannot do.
 
2014-07-17 02:26:16 PM  

EngineerAU: way south: The main problem is its voice and motion recognition left a bit to be desired. The other problem is not every gamer was looking for a media center. Without more content to offer early adopters, the expense didn't deliver an equal amount of awesome to justify the money.

Third problem is that they're scared to death of the RIAA and MPAA. There are many video formats that won't play on the xbox and if you try to play audio files stored on OneDrive, it won't let you unless you subscribe to Xbox Music. Even if those mp3s are class lectures from last week, you still have to pay Microsoft, and by extension, the music industry, a toll. You can't be the master of the livingroom if you let third parties control what the end user can and cannot do.


well, you can at least play an audio cd, something you can't do on a ps4
 
2014-07-17 02:29:01 PM  

Jim from Saint Paul: Waiting till tax season 2015 to grab mine.


Or you can stop giving the government a free loan, change your withholdings, and get the damn thing now.
 
2014-07-17 02:32:14 PM  
I just bought an XBox One this month. I originally bought the version without the Kinect but returned it the next day to get the version with the Kinect. It was thinking I would just add a Kinect later if I wanted. Turns out MS says they'll sell the Kinect seperately for $179 but it doesn't seem available yet.

I'm not a console guy at all but I was shocked at how lousy the interface is and how god damn long it takes to install a game.  Also, everything time I play the damn thing, it knocks everyone in the house off the wireless network.  FFS, it looks like it even knocks itself off the wireless network.  MS can't do anything right.
 
2014-07-17 02:38:48 PM  

gingerjet: Jim from Saint Paul: Waiting till tax season 2015 to grab mine.

Or you can stop giving the government a free loan, change your withholdings, and get the damn thing now.



Already have. I have 3 walking and pooping tax writeoffs along with the house. that makes it all work out.
 
2014-07-17 02:55:13 PM  

AdamK: EngineerAU: way south: The main problem is its voice and motion recognition left a bit to be desired. The other problem is not every gamer was looking for a media center. Without more content to offer early adopters, the expense didn't deliver an equal amount of awesome to justify the money.

Third problem is that they're scared to death of the RIAA and MPAA. There are many video formats that won't play on the xbox and if you try to play audio files stored on OneDrive, it won't let you unless you subscribe to Xbox Music. Even if those mp3s are class lectures from last week, you still have to pay Microsoft, and by extension, the music industry, a toll. You can't be the master of the livingroom if you let third parties control what the end user can and cannot do.

well, you can at least play an audio cd, something you can't do on a ps4


Ya, it's great that the next one will have an 8 track player too.

/I'm saying your audio technology is dead
 
2014-07-17 02:58:16 PM  
I enjoy the voice commands a lot. I hate not having them when I'm watching something in another room. Xbox Fitness works well, but they desparately need to expand the offerings. I'd even pay. I couldn't imagine not having it as my entertainment center hub. Not having to switch inputs for three different devices is awesome.
 
2014-07-17 02:58:39 PM  
I keep forgetting the PS4 and Xbox One even exist...

This is shaping up to the be the only console generation to date from which I do not own at least one example. They just don't seem very compelling to me compared to a straight up computer.
 
2014-07-17 03:07:26 PM  
Put me in the camp who actually likes the Xbox One Kinect voice commands.  Granted I could give a crap about using it for games (I disable this when the game has the option), but I love being able to control my tv with my voice.  It is worth the $100 to me.

Of course I also like my Wii U for the tablet controller.

/I haven't even played my PS4 yet.
 
2014-07-17 03:07:35 PM  

skozlaw: I keep forgetting the PS4 and Xbox One even exist...

This is shaping up to the be the only console generation to date from which I do not own at least one example. They just don't seem very compelling to me compared to a straight up computer.


Yep. Although I'm leaning toward the PS4 now because they are leaning toward remastering a bunch of the PS3 games (never bought a PS3.)
 
2014-07-17 03:18:40 PM  

ReverendJynxed: skozlaw: I keep forgetting the PS4 and Xbox One even exist...

This is shaping up to the be the only console generation to date from which I do not own at least one example. They just don't seem very compelling to me compared to a straight up computer.

Yep. Although I'm leaning toward the PS4 now because they are leaning toward remastering a bunch of the PS3 games (never bought a PS3.)


They're getting their streaming system for older games up but it's way too farking expensive at the moment.
 
2014-07-17 03:20:10 PM  

kroonermanblack: AdamK: EngineerAU: way south: The main problem is its voice and motion recognition left a bit to be desired. The other problem is not every gamer was looking for a media center. Without more content to offer early adopters, the expense didn't deliver an equal amount of awesome to justify the money.

Third problem is that they're scared to death of the RIAA and MPAA. There are many video formats that won't play on the xbox and if you try to play audio files stored on OneDrive, it won't let you unless you subscribe to Xbox Music. Even if those mp3s are class lectures from last week, you still have to pay Microsoft, and by extension, the music industry, a toll. You can't be the master of the livingroom if you let third parties control what the end user can and cannot do.

well, you can at least play an audio cd, something you can't do on a ps4

Ya, it's great that the next one will have an 8 track player too.

/I'm saying your audio technology is dead


an 8 track player would be an upgrade for the ps4, as it is you can only listen to music via their subscription service, as a media device it is barely better than a wii u
 
2014-07-17 03:26:10 PM  

Jaden Smith First of His Name: Are there any good games out for either system by now?


depends on whether you download games or only buy physical... if you only buy physical and ignore small downloadable games you might get easily bored
 
2014-07-17 03:26:22 PM  

sendtodave: Kinect is watching you masturbate.


That's what I want so I can learn how many calories I'm tossing and if I have good form.
 
2014-07-17 03:37:29 PM  
Still overpriced for the hardware. Perhaps even more so than the Kinect version.
 
2014-07-17 03:45:40 PM  

AdamK: Jaden Smith First of His Name: Are there any good games out for either system by now?

depends on whether you download games or only buy physical... if you only buy physical and ignore small downloadable games you might get easily bored


Read: No great PS4/XboxOne AAA exclusive titles yet, no.

Most every game they pimp they made a 360/PS3 version that doesn't work functionally different (it just looks better on the new systems).

That'll change over time. New Assains Creed and Batman: Akrham Knight come to mind as new console exclusives I am personally excited for.
 
2014-07-17 03:50:28 PM  
We like the voice commands...hell, it's worth it to not need the remote controls all the time.
 
2014-07-17 03:52:11 PM  
I too am holding off. Nothing on there excites me. Sadly though, now that I've moved out of the city, I don't have people to game with(read as: DnD, board games, Xwing minis, et al.) on a regular basis so video games may be rekindled.
 
2014-07-17 03:58:28 PM  
Truly no reason to upgrade yet, not enough games to care about and don't really want to pay for the games I already own.
 
Ant
2014-07-17 04:03:05 PM  

Jaden Smith First of His Name: Are there any good games out for either system by now?


Watchdogs is pretty good. Forza 5 is fun.
 
Ant
2014-07-17 04:09:01 PM  

way south: The main problem is its voice and motion recognition left a bit to be desired.


I love hearing my wife yell at the Xbox.
"Xbox, turn on"
"XBOX, TURN ON!"
"Xbox, watch TV"
"XBOX, WATCH TV!"
"XBOX, WATCH TV!!!"
"God damn it! Where's the farking remote!?!"
 
2014-07-17 04:19:26 PM  
i3.minus.com

still have a huge steam & 360 backlog, so it'll be a long while before I pick a monkey in this fight
 
2014-07-17 04:36:10 PM  
I had a friend getting rid of their Xbox One because they had some Kindle streaming thing and didn't want the thing anymore. I didn't try to talk them out of it...I got an Xbox One + kinect + Madden 25 for $300.

I purchased pre-owned versions of COD Ghosts, BF4, and Titanfall from Wal-Mart for $26-32 and went to town.

This is the first console I've had since the original Xbox around the time Halo 2 came out. I love it.
----------------

I can't wait for the new Halo anniversary combo set to come out in November. I'll spend a little more time and decide whether I want to stick with the COD or BF line, but no complaints as of yet.

And, the snap keeps my GF complacent since I can put Jimmy Fallon or something on in the background.
 
2014-07-17 04:41:49 PM  
Haven't even tried my x360 in months to see if the DVD drive is fully broken yet. I didn't give up when I got the RROD. But, when it takes 30 minutes to "convince" the drive to load a game, it's amazing how fast you lose interest in the thing.

I've thought about replacing it. But the X1 won't play my 360 games. And I don't want to repurchase the 360 again. fark it.
 
2014-07-17 04:42:35 PM  

skozlaw: I keep forgetting the PS4 and Xbox One even exist...

This is shaping up to the be the only console generation to date from which I do not own at least one example. They just don't seem very compelling to me compared to a straight up computer.


I ended up picking up a PS4 around the time Ground Zeroes came out, and then got a used copy of Infamous: Second Son afterwards. Haven't touched the thing since though, 99% of my gaming is still done on my PC. Probably wont turn the PS4 on again (unless I get a hankering for more screwing around in Ground Zeroes) until Bloodborne comes out.
 
2014-07-17 04:48:19 PM  

Jim from Saint Paul: AdamK: Jaden Smith First of His Name: Are there any good games out for either system by now?

depends on whether you download games or only buy physical... if you only buy physical and ignore small downloadable games you might get easily bored

Read: No great PS4/XboxOne AAA exclusive titles yet, no.

Most every game they pimp they made a 360/PS3 version that doesn't work functionally different (it just looks better on the new systems).

That'll change over time. New Assains Creed and Batman: Akrham Knight come to mind as new console exclusives I am personally excited for.


It's the problem of cross-gen development.  Devs tend to like doing that the first year or so as the userbases build.  There are a lot of xb1/ps4/pc only games in the pipeline though, some come out this fall.
 
2014-07-17 04:49:54 PM  

lousyskater: skozlaw: I keep forgetting the PS4 and Xbox One even exist...

This is shaping up to the be the only console generation to date from which I do not own at least one example. They just don't seem very compelling to me compared to a straight up computer.

I ended up picking up a PS4 around the time Ground Zeroes came out, and then got a used copy of Infamous: Second Son afterwards. Haven't touched the thing since though, 99% of my gaming is still done on my PC. Probably wont turn the PS4 on again (unless I get a hankering for more screwing around in Ground Zeroes) until Bloodborne comes out.


I've had one since launch but find myself playing a lot of pc lately.  Scored several titles in the GOG summer sale, and Guildwars 2 has been rocking as of late.

Destiny Alpha was the last major ps4 game I played, and I'll probably throw down int he Destiny Beta and Oddworld New and Tasty soon though.
 
2014-07-17 04:55:40 PM  

Antimatter: Jim from Saint Paul: AdamK: Jaden Smith First of His Name: Are there any good games out for either system by now?

depends on whether you download games or only buy physical... if you only buy physical and ignore small downloadable games you might get easily bored

Read: No great PS4/XboxOne AAA exclusive titles yet, no.

Most every game they pimp they made a 360/PS3 version that doesn't work functionally different (it just looks better on the new systems).

That'll change over time. New Assains Creed and Batman: Akrham Knight come to mind as new console exclusives I am personally excited for.

It's the problem of cross-gen development.  Devs tend to like doing that the first year or so as the userbases build.  There are a lot of xb1/ps4/pc only games in the pipeline though, some come out this fall.


Exactly.
 
2014-07-17 05:21:23 PM  
Personally, I think we need to push for big discounts on download only AAA titles.  And why would microsoft totally go PC innards and not sell Office for XBox One?  Obviously, I am bored waiting for a decent high end game.  And still need to keep last gen to play the new Borderlands game, thanks Randy!
 
2014-07-17 05:46:36 PM  

Ant: Jaden Smith First of His Name: Are there any good games out for either system by now?

Watchdogs is pretty good. Forza 5 is fun.


Watchdogs got pretty harsh reviews from most people, I think 'derivative GTA clone with less to do, less content, and just overall less' was the best one.
 
2014-07-17 06:02:11 PM  

Antimatter: Jim from Saint Paul: AdamK: Jaden Smith First of His Name: Are there any good games out for either system by now?

depends on whether you download games or only buy physical... if you only buy physical and ignore small downloadable games you might get easily bored

Read: No great PS4/XboxOne AAA exclusive titles yet, no.

Most every game they pimp they made a 360/PS3 version that doesn't work functionally different (it just looks better on the new systems).

That'll change over time. New Assains Creed and Batman: Akrham Knight come to mind as new console exclusives I am personally excited for.

It's the problem of cross-gen development.  Devs tend to like doing that the first year or so as the userbases build.  There are a lot of xb1/ps4/pc only games in the pipeline though, some come out this fall.


it's a cycle that happens with every console launch: 1-2 months you get a slew of forgettable average titles with a couple gems, 3-4 months you get a couple of interesting titles if not mindblowing, months 5-10 it's an anguishing drought where you ask why you ever bought the thing, months 11-24 you get a tidal wave of system sellers, and then you get another drought, followed by a late tidal wave before you start hearing about the next round of consoles
 
2014-07-17 06:22:26 PM  
Got my Xbox back when the Titanfall bundles were on sale. $450 for the console, Kinect, and a game. Even without Kinect the new bundle is more expensive as I got a $60 game with mine. I was considering getting a PS4 and if I would have, I would have ended up spending more for console, game, and online service since I had just recently renewed Xbox live for my 360. Add in the price of the camera and it would have been even nor expensive.

Also, personally, I love Kinect. Love having voice control when watching videos on there.
 
2014-07-17 06:36:50 PM  
Double of a small number is still a small number.  June was only 76k in NA.

Sounds like they got back to their April level which was 115k, but Sony's been trouncing that.  Plus the new SKU XB1 wasn't even the best bang for your buck SKU, since the Titanfall bundle was still out there, you could sell the kinect back knowing its all been abandoned, and a few retailers threw in Forza 5 for free to boot!

As for Sony, they've been widening their lead every month since Dec.

Should have solid numbers soon:  http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=857224
 
2014-07-17 06:39:37 PM  

TyrantII: Double of a small number is still a small number.  June was only 76k in NA.

Sounds like they got back to their April level which was 115k, but Sony's been trouncing that.  Plus the new SKU XB1 wasn't even the best bang for your buck SKU, since the Titanfall bundle was still out there, you could sell the kinect back knowing its all been abandoned, and a few retailers threw in Forza 5 for free to boot!

As for Sony, they've been widening their lead every month since Dec.

Should have solid numbers soon:  http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=857224


Numbers just hit.  Looks like the ps4 is still outselling the Xb1 even with the price drop.  No hard numbers yet though.

As for software:

1. Watch Dogs (PS4, 360, Xbox One, PS3, PC)
2. Mario Kart 8 (Wii U)
3. Minecraft (360, PS3)
4. UFC (PS4, Xbox One)
5. FIFA 14 (PS4, 360, Xbox One, PS3, Vita)
6. NBA 2K14 (360, PS3, PS4, Xbox One, PC)
7. Wolfenstein: The New Order (PS4, Xbox One, 360, PS3, PC)
8. Call of Duty: Ghosts (360, PS4, PS3, Xbox One, Wii U, PC)
9. Tomodachi Life (3DS)
10. Grand Theft Auto V (360, PS3)

Listed in order of best selling sku at that.
 
2014-07-17 06:42:28 PM  

Antimatter: 3. Minecraft (360, PS3)


just lol
 
2014-07-17 06:42:54 PM  

kroonermanblack: Ant: Jaden Smith First of His Name: Are there any good games out for either system by now?

Watchdogs is pretty good. Forza 5 is fun.

Watchdogs got pretty harsh reviews from most people, I think 'derivative GTA clone with less to do, less content, and just overall less' was the best one.


Watchdogs is awesome.  There is tons to do in it, although the main story isn't as long as GTA, but most games aren't.  Watchdogs is very similar to GTA because it is an open sandbox game in a realistic looking city, but it brings new things to the table that I haven't seen in other games.  The hacking stuff is really interesting.  In a way the game reminds me of GTA combined with Assassin's Creed and Saboteur (but with hacking technology).  There is a lot of side stuff to do and some of them could be games on their own.

Additionally, the multiplayer experience is something new.  Basically you can "hack" into other people's games (or they can hack into yours) if you enable the feature.  This means that at any given time, you might have someone in the game following you and trying to "hack" you, when you get alerted you can try and stop them.  If they hack you before you stop them then they earn points that can be used to buy bonus stuff in game, if you stop them you get points.  You can also enter other people's games and do the same thing.  It's pretty interesting to be walking around minding your own business then be alerted that someone is trying to hack you and trying to figure out which of the random AI around you is doing it.  It's even funnier watching someone trying to find you because you can just "hear" them cursing to themselves about it.
 
2014-07-17 06:43:21 PM  

sprawl15: Antimatter: 3. Minecraft (360, PS3)

just lol


That train just does not stop.
 
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