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(Contact Music)   Gary Oldman tells Andy Serkis that he will never, ever, ever, win an Oscar   (contactmusic.com) divider line 48
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2014-07-17 03:57:55 PM  
www.oscars.org
"Take your stinking paws off me, you damn dirty ape."
 
2014-07-17 04:36:41 PM  
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"You Maniacs! You nominated Andy Serkis! Oh damn you! Damn you all to hell!"
 
2014-07-17 04:38:31 PM  
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"Lousy human bastards!"
 
2014-07-17 06:15:07 PM  
Enough is enough! I have had it with these motherfu*king apes on this motherfu*king site!
 
2014-07-17 06:18:13 PM  
I think Oldman speaks from experience
 
2014-07-17 06:20:07 PM  
I bet Oldman blames the Jews.

/I thought we were supposed to blame the Church of Scientology these days
 
2014-07-17 06:22:14 PM  
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2014-07-17 06:29:29 PM  

Son of Thunder: [bavatuesdays.com image 480x292]
"Lousy human bastards!"


"Rich, Corinthian leather."
 
2014-07-17 06:32:38 PM  
He won't win for Planet of the Apes, but I'll bet he will eventually be awarded an honorary one for his overall work in motion capture.
 
2014-07-17 06:35:57 PM  
Serkis bit the hand that fed him by going on a drunken rant about Jews?
 
2014-07-17 06:43:20 PM  
Dig up stupid!
 
2014-07-17 06:44:56 PM  
f.kulfoto.com
 
2014-07-17 06:48:44 PM  
Performance capture really is becoming just that. Caesar is much more directly performed by Serkis than Gollum was because the technology captures more data and its less necessary for animators to interpret (though they can still intervene and change things).  The actor is almost wearing a virtual costume or prosthetic.
 
2014-07-17 06:49:29 PM  

stoli n coke: He won't win for Planet of the Apes, but I'll bet he will eventually be awarded an honorary one for his overall work in motion capture.


Has he had any hand in the development of it?  I know he's primarily used because he's so used to acting with it, but after as much experience as he's had with it, I wouldn't be surprised if he were responsible for some of the recent refinements of it.
 
2014-07-17 07:20:10 PM  
 
2014-07-17 07:28:32 PM  
The old farts of the academy don't understand that what Andy is doing is wearing digital makeup, like Lon Chaney performed in makeup like what, almost a hundred years ago now. Andy, and Zoe both deserve Oscars for their portrayals in mocap work.  But Andy in particular.Deserves a lifetime farking achievement award, he does.
 
2014-07-17 07:32:16 PM  
Woah there nelly.

I haven't seen this latest ape movie yet, but in the picture in TFA, Andy Serkis, who plays ape leader Caesar, is on a horse.

The apes ride horses?  I hope one of the humans in the movie points out how hypocritical it is for the apes to rebel against humans, just so they can in turn enslave animals just as we did.
 
2014-07-17 07:43:28 PM  
Of course he won't win an Oscar. He's in a highly successful, mainstream sci-fi/action movie.

What he needs to do is to play an autistic, ape from a poor family that gets experimented on the Nazis, and is befriended by a genial black man, produced by Harvey Goldstein and Scott Rudin.
 
2014-07-17 07:48:34 PM  

mcmnky: Woah there nelly.

I haven't seen this latest ape movie yet, but in the picture in TFA, Andy Serkis, who plays ape leader Caesar, is on a horse.

The apes ride horses?  I hope one of the humans in the movie points out how hypocritical it is for the apes to rebel against humans, just so they can in turn enslave animals just as we did.


I haven't seen these movies either. Do the apes with advanced intelligence view themselves as the same as apes who lack that intelligence? Do they join in solidarity with all apes, or just their own special "breed"? I could see their view as non-hypocritical if they see themselves as having rights because of their intelligence, and therefore it's OK for them to exploit animals of lower intelligence, but that would mean it would be OK for them to exploit apes of normal intelligence. It'd be really interesting if they addressed that.
 
2014-07-17 07:58:05 PM  
http://www.cartoonbrew.com/motion-capture/andy-serkis-does-everything - animators-do-nothing-says-andy-serkis-98868.html

I've seen a before-and-after of Andy Serkis' performances, you're welcome to the opinion that he's a gifted physical actor but not the opinion that he alone is responsible for the final impression.
 
2014-07-17 07:59:37 PM  
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2014-07-17 08:01:55 PM  

Nem Wan: Performance capture really is becoming just that. Caesar is much more directly performed by Serkis than Gollum was because the technology captures more data and its less necessary for animators to interpret (though they can still intervene and change things).  The actor is almost wearing a virtual costume or prosthetic.


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2014-07-17 08:18:59 PM  

somemoron: Oblig:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8gc-dLnvWb4


Exactly.
 
2014-07-17 08:50:23 PM  

mcmnky: The apes ride horses?  I hope one of the humans in the movie points out how hypocritical it is for the apes to rebel against humans, just so they can in turn enslave animals just as we did.


The apes are not interested in the welfare of all animals.  They are interested in the welfare of apes.
 
2014-07-17 08:51:23 PM  

B.L.Z. Bub: I haven't seen these movies either. Do the apes with advanced intelligence view themselves as the same as apes who lack that intelligence? Do they join in solidarity with all apes, or just their own special "breed"? I could see their view as non-hypocritical if they see themselves as having rights because of their intelligence, and therefore it's OK for them to exploit animals of lower intelligence, but that would mean it would be OK for them to exploit apes of normal intelligence. It'd be really interesting if they addressed that.


The issue of non-enhanced apes did not come up in the film.
 
2014-07-17 09:10:55 PM  
I like to picture Oldman getting hammered drunk, then crooning this pronouncement to Serkis to the tune of a Taylor Swift song. (And going by his Dracula portrayal, he might not be adverse to doing it while wearing a Taylor Swiftian dress and wig.)

I dug your Gollum and I dug your Kong
Even though Pete Jackson got Kong all wrong
Now you're playing a smaller monkey this time
With some mo-cap performance that's much cooler than mine

Ooh, now you're thinking an award is due
But ooh, Serkis, I'm telling you, I'm telling you

You are never, ever, ever getting an Oscar
You are never, ever, ever getting an Oscar
You go talk to your agent, talk to the press, talk to the academy (the academy)
But you are never ever ever ever getting that Oscar
Ooh, yeah, ooh yeah, ooh yeah
Oh oh oh
Woo woo woo
Yeah, woo, ooh, yeah yeah woo

 Oy vey something something Jews.
 
2014-07-17 09:25:24 PM  
"You'll never make it. Never make it. Never make it. Never make it, never. Don't you see you can't make it? "
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2014-07-17 09:33:39 PM  

Nem Wan: Performance capture really is becoming just that. Caesar is much more directly performed by Serkis than Gollum was because the technology captures more data and its less necessary for animators to interpret (though they can still intervene and change things).  The actor is almost wearing a virtual costume or prosthetic.


The reality is that the mocap is a starting point in a pipeline that more often than not enhances or replaces some or all of the performance every step of the way.  Be assured that many specialists will tweak every frame of every shot that starts with mocap and proceeds through custom rigging, retargeting, animation overlay, dynamics, muscle, hair, skin, rendering, compositing and output.  If the actor didn't nail it, the performance might be entirely replaced in that shot with a hand animated version.

Because it is the entertainment business the actor then takes all the credit.
 
2014-07-17 10:23:21 PM  

NeoCortex42: stoli n coke: He won't win for Planet of the Apes, but I'll bet he will eventually be awarded an honorary one for his overall work in motion capture.

Has he had any hand in the development of it?  I know he's primarily used because he's so used to acting with it, but after as much experience as he's had with it, I wouldn't be surprised if he were responsible for some of the recent refinements of it.


Yes, Gollum. With the exception of Jar-Jar Binks (whom we won't speak of again...), Gollum was really the first 'character' of his type.

farkeruk: Of course he won't win an Oscar. He's in a highly successful, mainstream sci-fi/action movie.


Tell that to Return of the King.

/Honestly, it baffles and annoys me that Serkis didn't get any kind of Oscar for his representation of Gollum.
//Two towers was his best acting to date, IMHO.
///Three slashies.
 
2014-07-17 10:41:22 PM  

BlueFalconPunch: Yes, Gollum. With the exception of Jar-Jar Binks (whom we won't speak of again...), Gollum was really the first 'character' of his type.


I get that.  My question was whether Serkis has had any impact on the design of the performance capture technology, or if he is simply really good at acting with it.
 
2014-07-17 11:29:58 PM  
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2014-07-18 12:16:27 AM  
BlueFalconPunch:

Yes, Gollum. With the exception of Jar-Jar Binks (whom we won't speak of again...), Gollum was really the first 'character' of his type.


Only if you count his brief shadowed appearance in Fellowship. Otherwise, Dobby beats him by a month or so. Dobby is freeeeeee
 
rka
2014-07-18 12:46:08 AM  

Nem Wan: Performance capture really is becoming just that. Caesar is much more directly performed by Serkis than Gollum was because the technology captures more data and its less necessary for animators to interpret (though they can still intervene and change things).  The actor is almost wearing a virtual costume or prosthetic.


The animators at Weta, or any other movie studio for that matter, would laugh in your face.
 
2014-07-18 01:47:20 AM  
They'll create a category for it soon enough.
 
2014-07-18 02:23:50 AM  

Nem Wan: Performance capture really is becoming just that. Caesar is much more directly performed by Serkis than Gollum was because the technology captures more data and its less necessary for animators to interpret (though they can still intervene and change things).  The actor is almost wearing a virtual costume or prosthetic.


Pretty soon...
 
2014-07-18 02:25:19 AM  

rzrwiresunrise: Nem Wan: Performance capture really is becoming just that. Caesar is much more directly performed by Serkis than Gollum was because the technology captures more data and its less necessary for animators to interpret (though they can still intervene and change things).  The actor is almost wearing a virtual costume or prosthetic.

Pretty soon...


Damnit... This:
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2014-07-18 02:25:20 AM  
Serkis might up winning a Tony someday because
He can talk
He can talk
He can talk
He can talk
HE CAN SINNNNNNNNNGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG
 
2014-07-18 02:51:42 AM  
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2014-07-18 03:13:03 AM  

EdgeRunner: I like to picture Oldman getting hammered drunk, then crooning this pronouncement to Serkis to the tune of a Taylor Swift song. (And going by his Dracula portrayal, he might not be adverse to doing it while wearing a Taylor Swiftian dress and wig.)

I dug your Gollum and I dug your Kong
Even though Pete Jackson got Kong all wrong
Now you're playing a smaller monkey this time
With some mo-cap performance that's much cooler than mine

Ooh, now you're thinking an award is due
But ooh, Serkis, I'm telling you, I'm telling you

You are never, ever, ever getting an Oscar
You are never, ever, ever getting an Oscar
You go talk to your agent, talk to the press, talk to the academy (the academy)
But you are never ever ever ever getting that Oscar
Ooh, yeah, ooh yeah, ooh yeah
Oh oh oh
Woo woo woo
Yeah, woo, ooh, yeah yeah woo
 Oy vey something something Jews.


Greatest post ever
 
2014-07-18 08:12:42 AM  

fusillade762: Son of Thunder: [bavatuesdays.com image 480x292]
"Lousy human bastards!"

"Rich, Corinthian leather."


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2014-07-18 08:57:40 AM  
Also never receiving an Oscar.

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2014-07-18 09:01:46 AM  

mcmnky: Woah there nelly.

I haven't seen this latest ape movie yet, but in the picture in TFA, Andy Serkis, who plays ape leader Caesar, is on a horse.

The apes ride horses?  I hope one of the humans in the movie points out how hypocritical it is for the apes to rebel against humans, just so they can in turn enslave animals just as we did.


Even worse - in the opening scene, the apes work together to hunt and kill an elk, and then kill a bear that interrupts the hunt.

/"Ape not kill ape - but other animals tasty!"
 
2014-07-18 10:45:06 AM  

puckrock2000: Also never receiving an Oscar.

[www.joblo.com image 656x441]


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2014-07-18 11:47:14 AM  

rka: The animators at Weta, or any other movie studio for that matter, would laugh in your face.


THIS

Serkis is a very good actor (I've seen him in non-mocap roles) but the reason they're using actors to do the job is that they're cheaper than doing it with animation. I'll bet there's a load of moments in mocap performances where an actor didn't quite move their face, lips or eyes right and the animators improve on it. And with mocap, you can fix it. All those actors are doing is producing a series of reference points for rendering. If you render it and a smile isn't broad enough, you can fix all the reference points in that smile and re-render it.

So what bits of that performance are down to Serkis and what is down to the animators? That's what we don't know and why I think, rightfully, these have been ignored for awards. I'd be pissed if I was an animator that had tweaked Serkis' performance in something and created a heartbreaking moment for him to get sole credit.
 
2014-07-18 01:43:45 PM  

farkeruk: rka: The animators at Weta, or any other movie studio for that matter, would laugh in your face.

THIS

Serkis is a very good actor (I've seen him in non-mocap roles) but the reason they're using actors to do the job is that they're cheaper than doing it with animation.


I think that you're underestimating the value of the performance. There's a reason that animation done without mocap tends to look puppety.

I'll give the animators credit where credit is due (just as I'll give it to makeup artists and costume makes), but the notion that the actor isn't contributing anything is bunk. You're basically claiming that there's no physical dimension to acting.
 
2014-07-18 02:07:09 PM  

NeoCortex42: BlueFalconPunch: Yes, Gollum. With the exception of Jar-Jar Binks (whom we won't speak of again...), Gollum was really the first 'character' of his type.

I get that.  My question was whether Serkis has had any impact on the design of the performance capture technology, or if he is simply really good at acting with it.


I can really speak with any certainty whether or not Serkis has had an impact on the design of of the technology itself, but there is no doubt that he is really good acting with it, and has been from the beginning. Gollum was originally supposed to be a fully digital character, only voiced by Serkis without him ever actually appearing on set. It's a testament to how well Serkis uses the medium.

ctrlshiftspace: BlueFalconPunch:

Yes, Gollum. With the exception of Jar-Jar Binks (whom we won't speak of again...), Gollum was really the first 'character' of his type.


Only if you count his brief shadowed appearance in Fellowship. Otherwise, Dobby beats him by a month or so. Dobby is freeeeeee


Dobby was a full digital character though. He was only voiced acted, their was no mo-cap on stage involved with the character. If your going to count Dobby, you'd really have to include the Velociraptors in Jurassic Park as well.*

\*(joking, of course)
 
2014-07-18 02:07:51 PM  
I *can't...

\FTFM
 
2014-07-18 03:09:37 PM  
the discussion is this thread is really an oversimplification of the mocap process...the balance of how much is the digital team, how much is the mocap team, and how much is the actor depends a lot on what film we are talking about.  while in some cases...say Ahmed Best as Jar Jar Binks...the Best wore a limited Mocap suit that mostly captured his overall body movements and his placement in the "world" in relation to other actors...and he wore a JarJar replica head like a hat to allow the other actors to make an appropriate eyeline with the digital rendering to come.

contrast that with what Disney/ILM/Bill Nighy did for Pirates of the Caribbean :Dead Mans Chest from 2006, as demonstrated in the following Video:   http://youtu.be/UdAEYLWMY3A

watch that video and tell me that Bill Nighy's acting isn't coming through completely through the "digital makeup"...every blink, puff of the cheeks, or furrow of his eyebrow comes across in the final product. Nighy inhabited the character fully. (while the Pirates movies are kinda dumb IMHO...the digital mocap work on Deadmans chest is farking amazing...I was completely able to recognize actors , even little known ones I'd seen in other British shows etc, by their facial expressions and mannerisms THROUGH the "digital makeup")

Serkis work falls into the later category...especially on the past new Planet of the Apes films.  He probably won't ever get an Oscar for his acting...but anyone who says the man isn't an actor or that the FX team deserves ALL the credit are talking out of their ass.
 
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