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2014-07-17 10:53:12 AM  
I realize I'm about to step into the precarious role of defending Guns N Roses here. Nonetheless, here we go.

"The Spaghetti Incident?" was an album full of cover songs, and I think GNR put out the album knowing that it wasn't exactly going to be a chart-topper. The album still debuted at #4 on the Billboard 200, which isn't too terrible.

Yes. I can't believe I'm defending them either. I'm just saying it wasn't exactly a "flop."
 
2014-07-17 12:33:32 PM  
Slideshow go to hell!

1: Johnny Borrell - 'Borrell 1'
2: No Doubt - 'Push And Shove'
3: The View - 'Which biatch?'
4: The Automatic - 'This Is A Fix'
5: Duffy - 'Endlessly'
6: Travis - '12 Memories'
7: Kaiser Chiefs - 'The Future Is Medieval'
8: Glasvegas - 'Euphoric Heartbreak'
9: Smashing Pumpkins - 'Adore'
10: Guns 'N' Roses - 'The Spaghetti Incident'
11: Klaxons - 'Surfing The Void'
12: MGMT - 'Congratulations'
13: Embrace - 'Drawn From Memory' 1
4: Suede - 'Head Music'
15: Cast - 'Beetroot'
16: All Saints - 'Studio 1'
17: Manic Street Preachers - 'Lifeblood'
18: Moby - 'Last Night'
19: Kelly Rowland - 'Talk A Good Game'
20: Britney Spears - 'Britney Jean'
21: Julian Plenti - 'Julian Plenti Is Skyscraper'
22: The Music - 'Welcome To The North'
23: Keith Moon - 'Two Sides Of The Moon'
24: Freddie Mercury - 'Mr Bad Guy'
25: Chris Cornell - 'Scream'
26: Richard Ashcroft - 'United Nations Of Sound'
27: Julian Casablancas - 'Phrazes For The Young'
28: Christina Aguilera - 'Bionic'
29: Nelly Furtado - 'The Spirit Indestructible'
30: Metallica and Lou Reed - 'Lulu'
 
2014-07-17 12:33:36 PM  
If anyone remembers a feature on NPR called "The Annoying Music Show", a five-minute weekly
bit hosted by the late Jim Nayder, it's a good bet some of these flopbusters would have turned
up there.  (Another similar showcase: at one time, comedy host Dr. Demento had a bit called
"The Audio Torture Chamber" that also showcased pukey platters.)
 
2014-07-17 12:36:26 PM  

GreenAdder: I realize I'm about to step into the precarious role of defending Guns N Roses here. Nonetheless, here we go.

"The Spaghetti Incident?" was an album full of cover songs, and I think GNR put out the album knowing that it wasn't exactly going to be a chart-topper. The album still debuted at #4 on the Billboard 200, which isn't too terrible.

Yes. I can't believe I'm defending them either. I'm just saying it wasn't exactly a "flop."


Compared to Use your Illusion I and II it was a total disaster.
 
2014-07-17 12:36:55 PM  
Deslided for your safety...

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And yeah, if Spaghetti Incident is on the list, then the person putting together the list doesn't know what they are doing. Not every album is put out with the intention of it being "the biggest yet".

If Spaghetti Incident is on there, then Pat Boone's 'Metal Mood' album had better be there...
 
2014-07-17 12:37:15 PM  
Stop telling me how great Chris Cornell is.  He's the poster boy for the word "potential".

You expected Lou Reed and Metallica to be good together?

I must have said "Who?" 15 times......

/no offense, Keith.
 
2014-07-17 12:39:03 PM  
GreenAdder:

"The Spaghetti Incident?" was an album full of cover songs, and I think GNR put out the album knowing that it wasn't exactly going to be a chart-topper. The album still debuted at #4 on the Billboard 200, which isn't too terrible.

Yes. I can't believe I'm defending them either. I'm just saying it wasn't exactly a "flop."


Not a flop, but it fulfilled a specific need for them as they were trying to figure out what was happening with the changes in the band, whether the public would still buy with that change, whether it would cause more change and whether the public would be interested at all considering they started off as being lumped in with the hair rockers....and in 1993 that genre was dead and done.

A good chunk of the list falls into two categories:
-follow-ups to albums that were huge where the world had moved on
-solo outings by individual artists from bands that were huge

I love the Jerry Cantrell albums but I will admit that they sound alot like Alice In Chains leftovers.
 
2014-07-17 12:41:54 PM  

Tyrosine: GreenAdder: I realize I'm about to step into the precarious role of defending Guns N Roses here. Nonetheless, here we go.

"The Spaghetti Incident?" was an album full of cover songs, and I think GNR put out the album knowing that it wasn't exactly going to be a chart-topper. The album still debuted at #4 on the Billboard 200, which isn't too terrible.

Yes. I can't believe I'm defending them either. I'm just saying it wasn't exactly a "flop."

Compared to Use your Illusion I and II it was a total disaster.


It's not always about topping the chart with sales. Some bands put out stuff for fun, hoping to recover their costs and make some money, but not necessarily millions upon millions. Music history is full of 'pet projects'...
 
2014-07-17 12:42:48 PM  
Why are they calling R&B album an electronic pop album?
/I know Y
 
2014-07-17 12:43:50 PM  

MightyPez: Slideshow go to hell!

1: Johnny Borrell - 'Borrell 1'
2: No Doubt - 'Push And Shove'
3: The View - 'Which biatch?'
4: The Automatic - 'This Is A Fix'
5: Duffy - 'Endlessly'
6: Travis - '12 Memories'
7: Kaiser Chiefs - 'The Future Is Medieval'
8: Glasvegas - 'Euphoric Heartbreak'
9: Smashing Pumpkins - 'Adore'
10: Guns 'N' Roses - 'The Spaghetti Incident'
11: Klaxons - 'Surfing The Void'
12: MGMT - 'Congratulations'
13: Embrace - 'Drawn From Memory' 1
4: Suede - 'Head Music'
15: Cast - 'Beetroot'
16: All Saints - 'Studio 1'
17: Manic Street Preachers - 'Lifeblood'
18: Moby - 'Last Night'
19: Kelly Rowland - 'Talk A Good Game'
20: Britney Spears - 'Britney Jean'
21: Julian Plenti - 'Julian Plenti Is Skyscraper'
22: The Music - 'Welcome To The North'
23: Keith Moon - 'Two Sides Of The Moon'
24: Freddie Mercury - 'Mr Bad Guy'
25: Chris Cornell - 'Scream'
26: Richard Ashcroft - 'United Nations Of Sound'
27: Julian Casablancas - 'Phrazes For The Young'
28: Christina Aguilera - 'Bionic'
29: Nelly Furtado - 'The Spirit Indestructible'
30: Metallica and Lou Reed - 'Lulu'


that is a very british music list!
 
Slu
2014-07-17 12:45:50 PM  
Warning - the list is a UK list, so most of the people who have "flopped" are completely unknown in the US.
 
2014-07-17 12:46:01 PM  
Good number 1.  I also remember when that album came out and reading what Lars said and actually agreeing with him 'we just wanted to try something new.'  Sorry Lars, your fans don't want that.
 
2014-07-17 12:51:19 PM  

LeroyBourne: Good number 1.  I also remember when that album came out and reading what Lars said and actually agreeing with him 'we just wanted to try something new.'  Sorry Lars, your fans don't want that.


It's so bad I thought I was being trolled after listening to it for the first time.
 
2014-07-17 12:58:39 PM  
1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2014-07-17 12:58:55 PM  

Mikey1969: Tyrosine: GreenAdder: I realize I'm about to step into the precarious role of defending Guns N Roses here. Nonetheless, here we go.

"The Spaghetti Incident?" was an album full of cover songs, and I think GNR put out the album knowing that it wasn't exactly going to be a chart-topper. The album still debuted at #4 on the Billboard 200, which isn't too terrible.

Yes. I can't believe I'm defending them either. I'm just saying it wasn't exactly a "flop."

Compared to Use your Illusion I and II it was a total disaster.

It's not always about topping the chart with sales. Some bands put out stuff for fun, hoping to recover their costs and make some money, but not necessarily millions upon millions. Music history is full of 'pet projects'...


Sure, but given the state of G&R at the time the whole project had the feel of a quick release to get the record company off their back. As someone already mentioned, they were one of the few 80s metal bands to survive the onslaught of grunge and despite Axl's ego and assholery they had a lot of credibility at the time. People were expecting better. By itself Spaghetti Incident wasn't bad, but compared to the rest of their albums it was garbage.
 
2014-07-17 12:59:38 PM  

ColSanders: [1.bp.blogspot.com image 403x401]


You take  (one quarter of that)back!
 
2014-07-17 01:01:59 PM  
I own the Duffy album. Definitely not as good as her first offering.
 
2014-07-17 01:02:36 PM  

milowitz: LeroyBourne: Good number 1.  I also remember when that album came out and reading what Lars said and actually agreeing with him 'we just wanted to try something new.'  Sorry Lars, your fans don't want that.

It's so bad I thought I was being trolled after listening to it for the first time.


I'm sure it is.  I can't believe I'm white knighting Lars, but I think he meant you can't go into it thinking you're going to get something like Metallica or something like The Velvet Underground.  It's something totally new and should be treated as such.  It's almost like artists have to come up with a whole new id like John Lurie to Marvin Pontiac if they want to 'try something new'.
/yeah, i know.  lars won't sleep with me, but i never dl'd their music, so maybe he will.
 
2014-07-17 01:03:06 PM  
That is a disastrously poorly designed website.
 
2014-07-17 01:03:46 PM  
A.K.A. 22 Bands You've Never Heard Of.
 
2014-07-17 01:06:41 PM  

The Muthaship: ColSanders: [1.bp.blogspot.com image 403x401]

You take  (one quarter of that)back!


Not saying they're all bad albums -- only that they were monumental flops.  Ace's album is still dynamite, and Gene's has some gems on it, too.
 
2014-07-17 01:11:06 PM  

ColSanders: Ace's album is still dynamite


It sold well, too.  I think it was platinum.  If I'm not mistaken (and I probably am) Ace and Pete way outsold their alleged betters' efforts.
 
2014-07-17 01:11:28 PM  
Lady Gaga's PoopArt album was a huge flop.
 
2014-07-17 01:12:47 PM  

Wellon Dowd: I own the Duffy album. Definitely not as good as her first offering.


How could you stand her voice?

/Seriously, that voice is terrible
 
2014-07-17 01:23:58 PM  
"The Spaghetti Incident"  is awesome.  Worth it for "Ain't it Fun" alone.  G'NR should've gone pure punk.
 
2014-07-17 01:28:28 PM  
31: "The Burning Red", Machine Head. There are only a couple reasonably good songs on the whole album. Their attempt at NuMetal failed. They still wanted to play traditional thrash and/groove metal that defined them; it showed thru a bit, but ultimately, did not end up well. Thankfully they came back to their senses with "Through the Ashes of Empires" and "The Blackening".

30: Metallica/Lou Reed "Lulu" (lemon):  I understand what they are trying to do. It was the same concept/thought as the three Loads (I include St. Anger with Load and Reload); they wanted to experiment with new sound and it did not go over well with their fans and the press.
 
2014-07-17 01:29:25 PM  

The Muthaship: ColSanders: Ace's album is still dynamite

It sold well, too.  I think it was platinum.  If I'm not mistaken (and I probably am) Ace and Pete way outsold their alleged betters' efforts.


It was probably Ace's and Gene's you're thinking of.  Peter's was only slightly better than embarrassing.  Gene's had the single "Radioactive," which got decent airplay at the time.
 
2014-07-17 01:35:43 PM  
I never got the hate for Lulu.  Yeah, it's not Metallica.  But it's got some seriously awesome tracks.  Of course, I could also say the album has some seriously awe[some|ful] tracks....

I skipped The Spaghetti Incident due to Axl Rose being an a-hole.  I'd gone to his concert that was supposed to start at 8.  Didn't start til after midnight, my date and I had to be at work at 7 am the next day.  Started a personal boycott of anything Axl that night.
 
2014-07-17 01:36:34 PM  
Here's a list of some of my personal faves who crashed and burned hard popularity-wise (and with me too) with a subsequent release:

Pell Mell - Star City (Pretty much anything up to that album was riveting, but holy crap does that album suck. Pell Mell were never financially prosperous, but I can't imagine that album helped any.)

PiL - That What Is Not (They started to suck mightily with "9" with too many backup singers and such, but this album killed it for me and a lot of other people.)

808 State - Gorgeous (I'm a huge fan of their very early stuff, but this album was a big step down from Ex:el, and that's saying something because Ex:el was pretty uneven already, though it spawned some decent-selling singles.)

System of a Down - Mezmerize (Who the fark told Daron he was allowed to sing? Okay, it has a couple good tracks, but this is when a lot of people jumped off the good ship SoaD, including me.)
 
2014-07-17 01:39:45 PM  

bungle_jr: MightyPez: Slideshow go to hell!

1: Johnny Borrell - 'Borrell 1'
2: No Doubt - 'Push And Shove'
3: The View - 'Which biatch?'
4: The Automatic - 'This Is A Fix'
5: Duffy - 'Endlessly'
6: Travis - '12 Memories'
7: Kaiser Chiefs - 'The Future Is Medieval'
8: Glasvegas - 'Euphoric Heartbreak'
9: Smashing Pumpkins - 'Adore'
10: Guns 'N' Roses - 'The Spaghetti Incident'
11: Klaxons - 'Surfing The Void'
12: MGMT - 'Congratulations'
13: Embrace - 'Drawn From Memory' 1
4: Suede - 'Head Music'
15: Cast - 'Beetroot'
16: All Saints - 'Studio 1'
17: Manic Street Preachers - 'Lifeblood'
18: Moby - 'Last Night'
19: Kelly Rowland - 'Talk A Good Game'
20: Britney Spears - 'Britney Jean'
21: Julian Plenti - 'Julian Plenti Is Skyscraper'
22: The Music - 'Welcome To The North'
23: Keith Moon - 'Two Sides Of The Moon'
24: Freddie Mercury - 'Mr Bad Guy'
25: Chris Cornell - 'Scream'
26: Richard Ashcroft - 'United Nations Of Sound'
27: Julian Casablancas - 'Phrazes For The Young'
28: Christina Aguilera - 'Bionic'
29: Nelly Furtado - 'The Spirit Indestructible'
30: Metallica and Lou Reed - 'Lulu'

that is a very british music list!


NME is a British mag, why are you surprised by this?
 
2014-07-17 01:45:54 PM  
This truly is disastrous amusement.
 
2014-07-17 01:48:18 PM  

ColSanders: Peter's was only slightly better than embarrassing.


It is awful.
 
2014-07-17 01:49:46 PM  

chitownmike: NME is a British mag, why are you surprised by this?


Do they pay Drew in pounds to post their shiatty articles?
 
2014-07-17 01:50:49 PM  
most of the list is just artists that had huge albums and the follow ups didn't do as well, but many weren't exactly flops and some even charted pretty high. The last Britney Spears albums didn't sell as well? Cry me a river
 
2014-07-17 01:51:17 PM  

chitownmike: bungle_jr: MightyPez: Slideshow go to hell!

1: Johnny Borrell - 'Borrell 1'
2: No Doubt - 'Push And Shove'
3: The View - 'Which biatch?'
4: The Automatic - 'This Is A Fix'
5: Duffy - 'Endlessly'
6: Travis - '12 Memories'
7: Kaiser Chiefs - 'The Future Is Medieval'
8: Glasvegas - 'Euphoric Heartbreak'
9: Smashing Pumpkins - 'Adore'
10: Guns 'N' Roses - 'The Spaghetti Incident'
11: Klaxons - 'Surfing The Void'
12: MGMT - 'Congratulations'
13: Embrace - 'Drawn From Memory' 1
4: Suede - 'Head Music'
15: Cast - 'Beetroot'
16: All Saints - 'Studio 1'
17: Manic Street Preachers - 'Lifeblood'
18: Moby - 'Last Night'
19: Kelly Rowland - 'Talk A Good Game'
20: Britney Spears - 'Britney Jean'
21: Julian Plenti - 'Julian Plenti Is Skyscraper'
22: The Music - 'Welcome To The North'
23: Keith Moon - 'Two Sides Of The Moon'
24: Freddie Mercury - 'Mr Bad Guy'
25: Chris Cornell - 'Scream'
26: Richard Ashcroft - 'United Nations Of Sound'
27: Julian Casablancas - 'Phrazes For The Young'
28: Christina Aguilera - 'Bionic'
29: Nelly Furtado - 'The Spirit Indestructible'
30: Metallica and Lou Reed - 'Lulu'

that is a very british music list!

NME is a British mag, why are you surprised by this?


honestly i didn't even look to see which publication this came from...i just came into this thread to see what was going on...saw this list posted...immediately noticed that 3/4 or more of the list was british. i then assumed it must be a british publication.
 
2014-07-17 01:55:08 PM  

amindtat: chitownmike: NME is a British mag, why are you surprised by this?

Do they pay Drew in pounds to post their shiatty articles?


I wish. I would totally cash that check. And blow it all on beer and loose women
 
2014-07-17 01:56:21 PM  

Drew: amindtat: chitownmike: NME is a British mag, why are you surprised by this?

Do they pay Drew in pounds to post their shiatty articles?

I wish. I would totally cash that check. And blow it all on beer and loose women


Awesome!
 
2014-07-17 01:58:40 PM  

MightyPez: Slideshow go to hell!

1: Johnny Borrell - 'Borrell 1'
2: No Doubt - 'Push And Shove'
3: The View - 'Which biatch?'
4: The Automatic - 'This Is A Fix'
5: Duffy - 'Endlessly'
6: Travis - '12 Memories'
7: Kaiser Chiefs - 'The Future Is Medieval'
8: Glasvegas - 'Euphoric Heartbreak'
9: Smashing Pumpkins - 'Adore'
10: Guns 'N' Roses - 'The Spaghetti Incident'
11: Klaxons - 'Surfing The Void'
12: MGMT - 'Congratulations'
13: Embrace - 'Drawn From Memory' 1
4: Suede - 'Head Music'
15: Cast - 'Beetroot'
16: All Saints - 'Studio 1'
17: Manic Street Preachers - 'Lifeblood'
18: Moby - 'Last Night'
19: Kelly Rowland - 'Talk A Good Game'
20: Britney Spears - 'Britney Jean'
21: Julian Plenti - 'Julian Plenti Is Skyscraper'
22: The Music - 'Welcome To The North'
23: Keith Moon - 'Two Sides Of The Moon'
24: Freddie Mercury - 'Mr Bad Guy'
25: Chris Cornell - 'Scream'
26: Richard Ashcroft - 'United Nations Of Sound'
27: Julian Casablancas - 'Phrazes For The Young'
28: Christina Aguilera - 'Bionic'
29: Nelly Furtado - 'The Spirit Indestructible'
30: Metallica and Lou Reed - 'Lulu'


I love you so, so much.

I've never had trouble with that site before but no matter what I tried, I couldn't get past the front page. Doubtful I would have clicked 30 pages either.
 
2014-07-17 01:58:42 PM  

The Muthaship: ColSanders: Ace's album is still dynamite

It sold well, too.  I think it was platinum.  If I'm not mistaken (and I probably am) Ace and Pete way outsold their alleged betters' efforts.


If memory serves they all went "platinum" because they shipped a million copies each on the date they were released, and it seems back in the 70's, before Soundscan, that's how sales were judged.  I do remember the cutout bins being filled with 99 cent copies of all the solo albums very shortly after they came out
 
2014-07-17 02:01:49 PM  
This list should be cut in half and both pieces thrown away.
 
2014-07-17 02:03:15 PM  

Slu: Warning - the list is a UK list, so most of the people who have "flopped" are completely unknown in the US.


That is just not true.
 
2014-07-17 02:03:26 PM  

desertgeek: Wellon Dowd: I own the Duffy album. Definitely not as good as her first offering.

How could you stand her voice?

/Seriously, that voice is terrible


Her voice is okay but limited and starts to squeek if she does something to challenge it.  I haven't heard anything from her second (in fact, I wasn't even aware there was one until recently) but I'm guessing one reason it flopped is because whoever produced it couldn't keep her squeeking under control.
 
2014-07-17 02:06:52 PM  
Just finished listening to Two Sides of the Moon, and it isn't bad.  The cover of the Beach Boys' Don't Worry Baby is pretty good.
 
2014-07-17 02:10:22 PM  

Drew: amindtat: chitownmike: NME is a British mag, why are you surprised by this?

Do they pay Drew in pounds to post their shiatty articles?

I wish. I would totally cash that check. And blow it all on beer and loose women


Seriously. The current exchange rate is 1.71 dollars per one pound sterling.
 
2014-07-17 02:16:28 PM  

amindtat: chitownmike: NME is a British mag, why are you surprised by this?

Do they pay Drew in pounds to post their shiatty articles?


And crooked-teeth blowjobs.
 
2014-07-17 02:34:37 PM  

Wellon Dowd: I own the Duffy album. Definitely not as good as her first offering.


The basist from GNR? The 90s VJ???
Am I old or is your taste terrible???
 
2014-07-17 02:37:43 PM  
Duffy - 'Endlessly

yeah, it kinda sucked, out side of one song.  that weird trill she does with her voice was waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay overdone one every song and it just kinda sucked.


Smashing Pumpkins - 'Adore'

eat a dick.  this album is amazing and i still listen to it on the reg.  some of BC's finest songwriting before his muse basically left him.  some phenomenal songs on this.


list pretty much blows as those were mainly English bands that never even "hit" over here period.
 
2014-07-17 02:42:20 PM  

NDP2: whoever produced it couldn't keep her squeeking under control.

rickythepenguin: that weird trill she does with her voice was waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay overdone one every song



hahahahahahahahaahahhah!

yeah, every godamn song she was doing it. a little goes a long way, short stack.  Jimmy Page didn't take out the bow on every solo, clapton doesn't play slide on every song, Billy Jo Armstrong doesn't add a leading and ending breathy "H" to every syllable ....oh wait....bad example, that one.

/huhhhhh-WAAAAAKE me hhhhhhup
//huuuuu WHAAAAAN SEPTEMBERRRR HENDS.
////huhhhhh WAAAAAAAKE ME huppppp
////huhh HHHHWAAAANNNNN HHHHSEPTEMBER HHHHHENDS
 
2014-07-17 02:45:51 PM  

mercator_psi: System of a Down - Mezmerize (Who the fark told Daron he was allowed to sing? Okay, it has a couple good tracks, but this is when a lot of people jumped off the good ship SoaD, including me.)


I had no problem with MezmerizeHypnotize, on the other hand, was like scrapings from the cutting room floor.
 
2014-07-17 02:56:07 PM  
MGMT's fan base didn't 'grow up'. The band just went more and more experimental and out there, versus their early stuff. Kinda what happened to Alphaville after the first CD.

How can this list be complete without:

img.fark.net

And their beyond horrible attempt to look and sound glam:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bI74tyUefY4
 
2014-07-17 03:01:07 PM  

MightyPez: 2: No Doubt - 'Push And Shove'


Yeah, that was a prime example of "too little, too late".
 
2014-07-17 03:01:25 PM  

LeroyBourne: I can't believe I'm white knighting Lars, but I think he meant you can't go into it thinking you're going to get something like Metallica or something like The Velvet Underground. It's something totally new and should be treated as such


There is never any excuse for suck, no matter who teams up to do it.
 
2014-07-17 03:01:55 PM  
WAIT-A-MINUTE!

How is Cradle of Filth's "Bitter Suites to Succubi" not on that list?

A) They're British.
B) Midian is still the highest-selling Black Metal album in history. (It deserves it)
C) Dani Filth fires all the talented people, hires some hacks and decides to bang all of the songs out himself. (Bad idea, Dani)
D) It's the only album I know of to kill an entire genre. It took until 2009 for Black Metal to gain back its outside-mainstream popularity. That's only because those albums took YEARS (not months) to make.
 
2014-07-17 03:24:00 PM  
I've never heard of 3/4 of the performers in that list, and I'm OK with that.
 
2014-07-17 03:29:16 PM  

LeroyBourne: milowitz: LeroyBourne: Good number 1.  I also remember when that album came out and reading what Lars said and actually agreeing with him 'we just wanted to try something new.'  Sorry Lars, your fans don't want that.

It's so bad I thought I was being trolled after listening to it for the first time.

I'm sure it is.  I can't believe I'm white knighting Lars, but I think he meant you can't go into it thinking you're going to get something like Metallica or something like The Velvet Underground.  It's something totally new and should be treated as such.  It's almost like artists have to come up with a whole new id like John Lurie to Marvin Pontiac if they want to 'try something new'.
/yeah, i know.  lars won't sleep with me, but i never dl'd their music, so maybe he will.


Internet Butt Pirates: still butthurt after all these years.
 
2014-07-17 03:38:30 PM  

Jedekai: WAIT-A-MINUTE!

How is Cradle of Filth's "Bitter Suites to Succubi" not on that list?

A) They're British.
B) Midian is still the highest-selling Black Metal album in history. (It deserves it)
C) Dani Filth fires all the talented people, hires some hacks and decides to bang all of the songs out himself. (Bad idea, Dani)
D) It's the only album I know of to kill an entire genre. It took until 2009 for Black Metal to gain back its outside-mainstream popularity. That's only because those albums took YEARS (not months) to make.


They're alright, you know. Not great, but alright.

/I heard a crow caw three times last night...
//Not even close to obscure.
 
2014-07-17 03:44:49 PM  

NDP2: desertgeek: Wellon Dowd: I own the Duffy album. Definitely not as good as her first offering.

How could you stand her voice?

/Seriously, that voice is terrible

Her voice is okay but limited and starts to squeak if she does something to challenge it.  I haven't heard anything from her second (in fact, I wasn't even aware there was one until recently) but I'm guessing one reason it flopped is because whoever produced it couldn't keep her squeaking under control.


FTFM

/Augh!  How could I mispell an easy word like that ... twice?
//Completely undermined by argument.
 
2014-07-17 03:56:11 PM  
This one was pretty famous, I thought.
upload.wikimedia.org
 
2014-07-17 03:56:30 PM  
Suspiciously absent:

ecx.images-amazon.com

/they didn't say successful music acts
 
2014-07-17 04:08:19 PM  
Missing from the list:

upload.wikimedia.org

upload.wikimedia.org

upload.wikimedia.org

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2014-07-17 04:10:16 PM  
List fails without the Sgt Peppers soundtrack LP. It shipped double platinum- 2 million copies. The record company got back 2.5 million returns. Counterfeits, cause the counterfeiters thought it was a can't lose deal, and no one would notice a few extra tens of thousands. The record company did a chemical analysis of the vinyl to prove they were 'cleans'.
 
2014-07-17 04:12:34 PM  
I loved Travis' first two albums and they were a great live band the two times I saw them, but man oh man is that album in the oh-so-British list not very good at all.

ELP: One of the biggest bands in the world in 1974, they took 2 1/2 years off and came back with a double album that had 3 solo sides, including a 17-minute piano concerto, a cover of another Aaron Copland piece and one original. The one original, Pirates, is a masterpiece but what a let down. Not to mention this:

www.progarchives.com

Yikes.
 
2014-07-17 04:21:05 PM  

Summoner101: Suspiciously absent:

[ecx.images-amazon.com image 350x350]

/they didn't say successful music acts


I wish I'd known that existed. I'd pay money to listen to The Macho Man do just about anything.
 
2014-07-17 04:46:40 PM  

Henry Holland: I loved Travis' first two albums and they were a great live band the two times I saw them, but man oh man is that album in the oh-so-British list not very good at all.

ELP: One of the biggest bands in the world in 1974, they took 2 1/2 years off and came back with a double album that had 3 solo sides, including a 17-minute piano concerto, a cover of another Aaron Copland piece and one original. The one original, Pirates, is a masterpiece but what a let down. Not to mention this:

[www.progarchives.com image 300x300]

Yikes.


Love Beach was a contractual obligation album. ELP were basically done at that point but had to round out their record deal.
 
2014-07-17 05:26:35 PM  

puckrock2000: Missing from the list:

upload.wikimedia.org


damn,  Dale need to lift some weights, or something.


/Knew this was NME.
 
2014-07-17 05:28:51 PM  

chitownmike: bungle_jr: MightyPez: Slideshow go to hell!

1: Johnny Borrell - 'Borrell 1'
2: No Doubt - 'Push And Shove'
3: The View - 'Which biatch?'
4: The Automatic - 'This Is A Fix'
5: Duffy - 'Endlessly'
6: Travis - '12 Memories'
7: Kaiser Chiefs - 'The Future Is Medieval'
8: Glasvegas - 'Euphoric Heartbreak'
9: Smashing Pumpkins - 'Adore'
10: Guns 'N' Roses - 'The Spaghetti Incident'
11: Klaxons - 'Surfing The Void'
12: MGMT - 'Congratulations'
13: Embrace - 'Drawn From Memory' 1
4: Suede - 'Head Music'
15: Cast - 'Beetroot'
16: All Saints - 'Studio 1'
17: Manic Street Preachers - 'Lifeblood'
18: Moby - 'Last Night'
19: Kelly Rowland - 'Talk A Good Game'
20: Britney Spears - 'Britney Jean'
21: Julian Plenti - 'Julian Plenti Is Skyscraper'
22: The Music - 'Welcome To The North'
23: Keith Moon - 'Two Sides Of The Moon'
24: Freddie Mercury - 'Mr Bad Guy'
25: Chris Cornell - 'Scream'
26: Richard Ashcroft - 'United Nations Of Sound'
27: Julian Casablancas - 'Phrazes For The Young'
28: Christina Aguilera - 'Bionic'
29: Nelly Furtado - 'The Spirit Indestructible'
30: Metallica and Lou Reed - 'Lulu'

that is a very british music list!

NME is a British mag, why are you surprised by this?


It's not THAT British. Less than half of the names on there are British acts, by my admittedly less-than-scientific count.
 
2014-07-17 05:45:10 PM  
Very Good 

Julian Plenti  - Only If You Run


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gt40__1OlqU
 
2014-07-17 06:02:36 PM  

Aezetyr: 31: "The Burning Red", Machine Head. There are only a couple reasonably good songs on the whole album. Their attempt at NuMetal failed. They still wanted to play traditional thrash and/groove metal that defined them; it showed thru a bit, but ultimately, did not end up well. Thankfully they came back to their senses with "Through the Ashes of Empires" and "The Blackening".



This... this is a troll... right? The Burning Red was by no means a flop. Sure, there is a little less thrash and a little more of the quick-tempo-being-a-bad-ass lyrics, but the album has sold quite well for Machine Head and has some great songs which are wholly thrash. Plus, Through the Ashes of Empires seemed forgettable if solid, with any of the songs lacking from a playlist remaining unnoticed whereas Blood, Sweat, and Tears has to be there at least if not I Defy as well.
 
2014-07-17 06:19:07 PM  

Henry Holland: I loved Travis' first two albums and they were a great live band the two times I saw them, but man oh man is that album in the oh-so-British list not very good at all.

ELP: One of the biggest bands in the world in 1974, they took 2 1/2 years off and came back with a double album that had 3 solo sides, including a 17-minute piano concerto, a cover of another Aaron Copland piece and one original. The one original, Pirates, is a masterpiece but what a let down. Not to mention this:

[www.progarchives.com image 300x300]

Yikes.


Ah, ELP's "Tormato."
 
2014-07-17 06:20:02 PM  

Vangor: Aezetyr: 31: "The Burning Red", Machine Head. There are only a couple reasonably good songs on the whole album. Their attempt at NuMetal failed. They still wanted to play traditional thrash and/groove metal that defined them; it showed thru a bit, but ultimately, did not end up well. Thankfully they came back to their senses with "Through the Ashes of Empires" and "The Blackening".


This... this is a troll... right? The Burning Red was by no means a flop. Sure, there is a little less thrash and a little more of the quick-tempo-being-a-bad-ass lyrics, but the album has sold quite well for Machine Head and has some great songs which are wholly thrash. Plus, Through the Ashes of Empires seemed forgettable if solid, with any of the songs lacking from a playlist remaining unnoticed whereas Blood, Sweat, and Tears has to be there at least if not I Defy as well.


I certainly see your point. Though I am not trolling. For me, The Burning Red stands out for a different reason; it does not hold the spirit of the band true, rather it takes that spirit hostage, and attempts to transform it. Not in the way that other bands successfully reinvent their sound (see The Gathering). It was a success because the album before it was incredible and sold quite well.
 
433 [TotalFark]
2014-07-17 06:42:56 PM  

rickythepenguin: Smashing Pumpkins - 'Adore'

eat a dick. this album is amazing and i still listen to it on the reg. some of BC's finest songwriting before his muse basically left him. some phenomenal songs on this.


Get back in the game, ricky!  Also, Adore is outstanding, and the touring band put together for it was stellar.
 
433 [TotalFark]
2014-07-17 06:44:12 PM  

433: Get back in the game, ricky!


It won't let me sponsor you...
 
2014-07-17 06:47:18 PM  
As of May 2005, Adore has sold 1.1 million units in the U.S., and at least three times as many copies worldwide

They went a different direction musically and couldn't recreate the success of the prior two great albums.  A disaster?
 
433 [TotalFark]
2014-07-17 08:10:35 PM  

Fallout Zone: As of May 2005, Adore has sold 1.1 million units in the U.S., and at least three times as many copies worldwide

They went a different direction musically and couldn't recreate the success of the prior two great albums.  A disaster?


If you look on archive.org for a ~1998 show in Sydney, Australia, you are in for a real treat.  Somehow, the title "Secret Gig" got labelled on my cd, and I put it there, so it may be labelled as such.
 
2014-07-17 10:11:19 PM  

The Muthaship: Stop telling me how great Chris Cornell is.  He's the poster boy for the word "potential".


Chris Cornell is great, and his resume with Soundgarden and Audioslave speaks for itself.
 
2014-07-17 11:36:33 PM  

amindtat: chitownmike: NME is a British mag, why are you surprised by this?

Do they pay Drew in pounds to post their shiatty articles?



This.  I always wonder why in the hell we have so many Brits.  I'm not anti-Brit, but for a redneck website from Kentucky, it's often inundated with crusty chavs.
 
2014-07-17 11:51:36 PM  

fusillade762: chitownmike: bungle_jr: MightyPez: Slideshow go to hell!

1: Johnny Borrell - 'Borrell 1'
2: No Doubt - 'Push And Shove'
3: The View - 'Which biatch?'
4: The Automatic - 'This Is A Fix'
5: Duffy - 'Endlessly'
6: Travis - '12 Memories'
7: Kaiser Chiefs - 'The Future Is Medieval'
8: Glasvegas - 'Euphoric Heartbreak'
9: Smashing Pumpkins - 'Adore'
10: Guns 'N' Roses - 'The Spaghetti Incident'
11: Klaxons - 'Surfing The Void'
12: MGMT - 'Congratulations'
13: Embrace - 'Drawn From Memory' 1
4: Suede - 'Head Music'
15: Cast - 'Beetroot'
16: All Saints - 'Studio 1'
17: Manic Street Preachers - 'Lifeblood'
18: Moby - 'Last Night'
19: Kelly Rowland - 'Talk A Good Game'
20: Britney Spears - 'Britney Jean'
21: Julian Plenti - 'Julian Plenti Is Skyscraper'
22: The Music - 'Welcome To The North'
23: Keith Moon - 'Two Sides Of The Moon'
24: Freddie Mercury - 'Mr Bad Guy'
25: Chris Cornell - 'Scream'
26: Richard Ashcroft - 'United Nations Of Sound'
27: Julian Casablancas - 'Phrazes For The Young'
28: Christina Aguilera - 'Bionic'
29: Nelly Furtado - 'The Spirit Indestructible'
30: Metallica and Lou Reed - 'Lulu'

that is a very british music list!

NME is a British mag, why are you surprised by this?

It's not THAT British. Less than half of the names on there are British acts, by my admittedly less-than-scientific count.


British but not exclusively British.
They have different charts over there, so a recording that's a hit in America may chart differently in the UK and vice-versa.
 
2014-07-18 01:34:18 AM  
Who???
 
2014-07-18 06:22:25 AM  

karmachameleon: The Muthaship: Stop telling me how great Chris Cornell is.  He's the poster boy for the word "potential".

Chris Cornell is great, and his resume with Soundgarden and Audioslave speaks for itself.


Soundgarden has one good album, which puts them one ahead of Audioslave.

You should have mentioned Temple of the Dog.

At least girls liked that crap....
 
2014-07-18 07:04:49 AM  

The Muthaship: karmachameleon: The Muthaship: Stop telling me how great Chris Cornell is.  He's the poster boy for the word "potential".

Chris Cornell is great, and his resume with Soundgarden and Audioslave speaks for itself.

Soundgarden has one good album, which puts them one ahead of Audioslave.

You should have mentioned Temple of the Dog.

At least girls liked that crap....


Nope, nope, I should have, and you say that like there's something wrong with it.  You enjoy your shows where only the guys hang out.
 
2014-07-18 07:31:20 AM  

karmachameleon: You enjoy your shows where only the guys hang out.


Yes, because that's what I said.

Cornell has a great voice.  He has massively underperformed.  These are my opinions.

/and I'm far from alone
 
2014-07-18 08:09:26 AM  

The Muthaship: karmachameleon: You enjoy your shows where only the guys hang out.

Yes, because that's what I said.

Cornell has a great voice.  He has massively underperformed.  These are my opinions.

/and I'm far from alone


Your opinion is wrong.  You don't stay successfully in the business for 20+ years and call that "underperformance".  Most guys would love to say they'd been in just one band they're still playing on the radio 20 years later.  Cornell has been in 3.  You picked a poor example to demonstrate lack of reaching potential.
 
2014-07-18 08:18:55 AM  

karmachameleon: You picked a poor example to demonstrate lack of reaching potential.


We all have opinions.  Are you really now counting Temple of the Dog as a band?  Come on....

One band (Soundgarden), one alleged "super group" (Audioslave, which took two good things and made one blah thing), and one album made on the coattails of Eddie Vedder.

Have Jann Wenner build him his own wing.
 
2014-07-18 08:22:03 AM  

fusillade762: chitownmike: bungle_jr: MightyPez: Slideshow go to hell!

1: Johnny Borrell - 'Borrell 1'  - brit
2: No Doubt - 'Push And Shove'
3: The View - 'Which biatch?' - scottish
4: The Automatic - 'This Is A Fix' - welsh
5: Duffy - 'Endlessly' - brit
6: Travis - '12 Memories' - brit
7: Kaiser Chiefs - 'The Future Is Medieval' - brit
8: Glasvegas - 'Euphoric Heartbreak' - scottish
9: Smashing Pumpkins - 'Adore'
10: Guns 'N' Roses - 'The Spaghetti Incident'  - slash is british/american
11: Klaxons - 'Surfing The Void' - brit
12: MGMT - 'Congratulations'
13: Embrace - 'Drawn From Memory' 1 - brit
4: Suede - 'Head Music' - brit
15: Cast - 'Beetroot' - brit
16: All Saints - 'Studio 1' - brit/canadian
17: Manic Street Preachers - 'Lifeblood' - brit
18: Moby - 'Last Night'
19: Kelly Rowland - 'Talk A Good Game'
20: Britney Spears - 'Britney Jean'
21: Julian Plenti - 'Julian Plenti Is Skyscraper' - brit/american
22: The Music - 'Welcome To The North' - brit
23: Keith Moon - 'Two Sides Of The Moon' - brit
24: Freddie Mercury - 'Mr Bad Guy' - brit/indian
25: Chris Cornell - 'Scream'
26: Richard Ashcroft - 'United Nations Of Sound' - brit
27: Julian Casablancas - 'Phrazes For The Young'
28: Christina Aguilera - 'Bionic'
29: Nelly Furtado - 'The Spirit Indestructible'
30: Metallica and Lou Reed - 'Lulu'

that is a very british music list!

NME is a British mag, why are you surprised by this?

It's not THAT British. Less than half of the names on there are British acts, by my admittedly less-than-scientific count.


well, wales and scotland are part of great britain, so unless i counted wrong there are 18 brits + slash...and nelly furtado is canadian...canada isn't british but they have the queen on their money, so that's a 1/2 point in my favor
 
2014-07-18 08:28:57 AM  

The Muthaship: and one album made on the coattails of Eddie Vedder.


fact 1) Temple of the dog was released on April 16, 1991.

fact 2) Ten was released august 27, 1991.

fact 3) Eddie Vedder only sang anything other than backup vocals on one track: the single Hunger Strike.
 
2014-07-18 08:38:07 AM  

Sinbox: fact 3) Eddie Vedder only sang anything other than backup vocals on one track: the single Hunger Strike.


fact 4) It's the only song anyone can name from the album.

I like the guy, I swear!

But everybody talks about how great he is.  He's not.  He's good.  He has a great rock voice, but he's never really made it to the top level of rock stardom.

fact 5)  I can't believe I've spent this much time talking about him....

/love your work in many many threads, sir
 
2014-07-18 08:46:04 AM  

Sinbox: The Muthaship: and one album made on the coattails of Eddie Vedder.

fact 1) Temple of the dog was released on April 16, 1991.

fact 2) Ten was released august 27, 1991.

fact 3) Eddie Vedder only sang anything other than backup vocals on one track: the single Hunger Strike.


i somehow missed the muthaship's original post or i too would've commented before now.

sinbox is correct...if anything, pearl jam (which, for full disclosure, is my favorite band that was formed in my lifetime) rode the coattails of soundgarden, and to a much lesser extent (because they were MUCH less popular) mudhoney and mother love bone. not saying pj sounds anything like sg, mh, and mlb, but those bands are probably the 3 biggest reasons a band like pj would become worldwide phenoms the way they did when they did.

if i'm not mistaken (been a while since i looked at the credits, etc), eddie ONLY sang on the 1 totd song "hunger strike", not on any other song on that album.

besides, eddie was the 1 out of all the seattle music explosion from the late-80s thru mid-90s who was a very recent transplant to seattle...he was a surfer from california who got recruited into the band when the other guys (ex members of mother love bone and other bands) were looking for a singer
 
2014-07-18 08:58:11 AM  

The Muthaship: Sinbox: fact 3) Eddie Vedder only sang anything other than backup vocals on one track: the single Hunger Strike.

fact 4) It's the only song anyone can name from the album.

I like the guy, I swear!

But everybody talks about how great he is.  He's not.  He's good.  He has a great rock voice, but he's never really made it to the top level of rock stardom.

fact 5)  I can't believe I've spent this much time talking about him....

/love your work in many many threads, sir


you are correct on the fact parts of your facts...and probably of the most popular opinions on the subjective portions of your "facts"

i'd disagree about his greatness. the man has a wide vocal range...he can sing a rock tune (a friend of mine shared a link i'd never seen until a couple days ago where he does a damn fine job on the beatles' "day in the life"), scream out some metal, and do the raspy grunge thing. but, that's the subjective part

rockstardom is a weird thing. the man has more talent in his pinky than someone like chad kroger has in his entire body (and no i'm not actually a nickelback basher...the band puts out some cheese for big bucks, but they actually are a talented band), but most people know chris for his bands and songs, not for his front man personality. he's really not a rock star. and i believe he's ok with that.

and another truth you mentioned, the general public can, indeed, only name that 1 song when temple of the dog is mentioned. i would go so far as to assume that the general public couldn't tell you what famous bands the singer of totd has been in
 
2014-07-18 09:00:58 AM  

bungle_jr: i'd disagree about his greatness. the man has a wide vocal range...he can sing a rock tune (a friend of mine shared a link i'd never seen until a couple days ago where he does a damn fine job on the beatles' "day in the life"), scream out some metal, and do the raspy grunge thing. but, that's the subjective part

rockstardom is a weird thing. the man has more talent in his pinky than someone like chad kroger has in his entire body (and no i'm not actually a nickelback basher...the band puts out some cheese for big bucks, but they actually are a talented band), but most people know chris for his bands and songs, not for his front man personality. he's really not a rock star. and i believe he's ok with that.

and another truth you mentioned, the general public can, indeed, only name that 1 song when temple of the dog is mentioned. i would go so far as to assume that the general public couldn't tell you what famous bands the singer of totd has been in


I don't really disagree with any of that.
 
2014-07-18 09:04:16 AM  

The Muthaship: bungle_jr: i'd disagree about his greatness. the man has a wide vocal range...he can sing a rock tune (a friend of mine shared a link i'd never seen until a couple days ago where he does a damn fine job on the beatles' "day in the life"), scream out some metal, and do the raspy grunge thing. but, that's the subjective part

rockstardom is a weird thing. the man has more talent in his pinky than someone like chad kroger has in his entire body (and no i'm not actually a nickelback basher...the band puts out some cheese for big bucks, but they actually are a talented band), but most people know chris for his bands and songs, not for his front man personality. he's really not a rock star. and i believe he's ok with that.

and another truth you mentioned, the general public can, indeed, only name that 1 song when temple of the dog is mentioned. i would go so far as to assume that the general public couldn't tell you what famous bands the singer of totd has been in

I don't really disagree with any of that.


wow...that may be a first for me on fark anywhere at anytime
 
2014-07-18 01:22:11 PM  

TheLopper: Summoner101: Suspiciously absent:

[ecx.images-amazon.com image 350x350]

/they didn't say successful music acts

I wish I'd known that existed. I'd pay money to listen to The Macho Man do just about anything.


It's about as awesome as you'd expect
 
2014-07-18 01:29:18 PM  

The Muthaship: But everybody talks about how great he is.  He's not.  He's good.  He has a great rock voice, but he's never really made it to the top level of rock stardom.


That's how you're judging "potential"? You ever stop to think that maybe Cornell doesn't WANT rock stardom? For fack's sake, the guy goes on world tours where he just plays acoustic guitar to rooms full of people. Maybe that's all he wants...
 
2014-07-18 09:52:36 PM  

The Muthaship: Sinbox: fact 3) Eddie Vedder only sang anything other than backup vocals on one track: the single Hunger Strike.


fact 4) It's the only song anyone can name from the album.


Well, that and Say Hello 2 Heaven.
 
2014-07-19 01:22:57 AM  

Keywork99: The Muthaship: Sinbox: fact 3) Eddie Vedder only sang anything other than backup vocals on one track: the single Hunger Strike.


fact 4) It's the only song anyone can name from the album.

Well, that and Say Hello 2 Heaven.


yeah, i was doubling back to add that. thanks for doing it for me.

SH2H reached number five on the modern rock chart in 1991.
I don't believe there was a promo produced for it.
kinda strange that it doesn't get airplay anymore.

TOTD started out as Chris Cornell's way to deal with the O.D. death of his best friend and then-longtime roommate Andrew Wood (lead singer of Mother Love Bone). As Soundgarden was on tour in Europe at the time and Chris felt that he had no one to talk to abour it and was isolated from his support base, he funneled what he was feeling into song.

Chris had originally planned only for to be a two song single possibly feat. Jeff Ament and Stone Gossard (Reach Down + Say Hello...) Then Chris hid his  demos away, thinking no one wanted to hear them . But then Jeff + Stone (who had been  working with Matt Cameron on what would become Pearl Jam material) somehow heard the demos and they started to jam and...well... the rest was history.

Hmmm...apparently, Pushin' Forward Back was also released as a single. But I've never once heard it (or heard of it being played) on terrestrial radio.

Personally, i feel that  Four-walled world + Times of Trouble are the strongest cuts on the album.

TOT, especially, has what i think is Cornell's best recorded vocal performance to date (which is saying something).
 
2014-07-19 01:39:57 AM  
Chris had originally planned only for to be a two song single possibly feat. Jeff Ament and Stone Gossard (Reach Down + Say Hello...) (sort of a "group therapy through music" kind of notion)

needless amendment.


/but as for Cornell's Scream album, it did contain one great song. Perversely, it was the bonus track hidden five minutes after the last-listed song played.

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