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2014-07-17 10:08:29 AM
I cannot farking believe this!

How could they?!?

Rick Remender is STILL writing Cap after that horrible 10 issue arc that opened the current series?

What is Marvel thinking?
 
2014-07-17 10:16:25 AM
The only thing that offends me is those awful goggles/sunglasses/whatever the fark they are.
 
2014-07-17 11:15:28 AM
Thanks Obama
 
2014-07-17 11:15:47 AM

The_Sponge: The only thing that offends me is those awful goggles/sunglasses/whatever the fark they are.


i1.ytimg.com
 
2014-07-17 11:16:26 AM
Yesterday's hammer/penis thread predicted this...
 
2014-07-17 11:18:08 AM
Fictional characters with magical superpowers who "die" in one timeline and are alive in another ... that's fine. But changing their gender or race? That's a bridge too far.
 
2014-07-17 11:19:26 AM

FirstNationalBastard: I cannot farking believe this!

How could they?!?

Rick Remender is STILL writing Cap after that horrible 10 issue arc that opened the current series?

What is Marvel thinking?


Ye Gods, you aren't kidding.

I can't remember a good issue of the new Cap series at all, so far.
 
2014-07-17 11:19:57 AM
And this is going to stick forever, right?
 
2014-07-17 11:20:30 AM
So it's the Falcon? Will he still fly, any changes in powers, or does he get a new suit and the ol' shield?

Someone called that yesterday in the fark thread

I wonder if this will be reflected in the movies way down the line
 
2014-07-17 11:22:43 AM

loonatic112358: So it's the Falcon? Will he still fly, any changes in powers, or does he get a new suit and the ol' shield?

Someone called that yesterday in the fark thread

I wonder if this will be reflected in the movies way down the line


Probably. I think I remember reading somewhere that Chris Evans doesn't plan on doing it too much longer and Papa Doc could make a pretty good replacement.
 
2014-07-17 11:22:51 AM
A black guy?

That's so edgy!
 
2014-07-17 11:22:57 AM
So when Cap retires, Falcon calls dibs on the shield? Or does he get elected like a new pope?
 
2014-07-17 11:24:15 AM

someonelse: But changing their gender or race? That's a bridge too far.


Yeah, let's have retrospective on Falcon in the 60s, and Luke Cage, make them both white. Show them failing to save Martin Luther King Jr in a time travel alternate universe and have him be white too. Or are they only allowed to change race on way? If so, that would be racist.
/I look forward to the black George Wallace.
 
2014-07-17 11:24:28 AM
I they going to rename him Steve Rogers?
 
2014-07-17 11:24:44 AM
Who is this Steve Roger?
 
2014-07-17 11:25:19 AM
Prepare for the storm of right-wing politicos who don't read comics telling us how this ruins the character.
 
2014-07-17 11:26:00 AM
I really like how they're spinning this as "well, the new guy is more sympathetic to the common man because, as a social worker, he's seen poverty firsthand." Because, you know, Steve Rodgers didn't grow up during the *Great Depression* or anything.

Change the character if you want, (I don't read the comic, so I don't care) but can we at least but more honest/less stupid about the motive?
 
2014-07-17 11:27:12 AM

Kurmudgeon: /I look forward to the black George Wallace.

www.bestofvegas.com

 
2014-07-17 11:27:36 AM
White guy taking over for Captain America - "Cool story development"
Black guy taking over for Captain America - "THIS IS AN OUTRAGE"
 
2014-07-17 11:27:39 AM

lamecomedian: I really like how they're spinning this as "well, the new guy is more sympathetic to the common man because, as a social worker, he's seen poverty firsthand." Because, you know, Steve Rodgers didn't grow up during the *Great Depression* or anything.

Change the character if you want, (I don't read the comic, so I don't care) but can we at least but more honest/less stupid about the motive?


If they were going to be honest, they would just say "sales suck and we'll do anything for a sales bump and mainstream media attention".
 
2014-07-17 11:29:13 AM
I love reading comments from other people around the Net about how terrible and unbelievable this is.
Oh, and 90% of those people don't even read comics, so they can fark off.
This will all be over in a month. Comics are soap operas.
 
2014-07-17 11:29:29 AM

Brainsick: Yesterday's hammer/penis thread predicted this...


more like yesterday's thread had read the solicitations and had seen the preview covers for AXIS and Avengers
 
2014-07-17 11:30:02 AM

scottydoesntknow: Probably. I think I remember reading somewhere that Chris Evans doesn't plan on doing it too much longer and Papa Doc could make a pretty good replacement.


Eventually he won't be able to do it


I was kind of hoping that they'd use Patriot from Young Avengers myself
 
2014-07-17 11:30:12 AM
And here I was thinking they were prepping Sebastian Stan to pick up the shield when Chris Evans retires.  Now they have two good options.  Cagey bastiches.
 
2014-07-17 11:30:17 AM

FirstNationalBastard: lamecomedian: I really like how they're spinning this as "well, the new guy is more sympathetic to the common man because, as a social worker, he's seen poverty firsthand." Because, you know, Steve Rodgers didn't grow up during the *Great Depression* or anything.

Change the character if you want, (I don't read the comic, so I don't care) but can we at least but more honest/less stupid about the motive?

If they were going to be honest, they would just say "sales suck and we'll do anything for a sales bump and mainstream media attention".


Should've gone all-out and made Obama take up the shield.
 
2014-07-17 11:30:44 AM
I bet he's articulate and well-spoken, too.

So will this be the new Obama "distraction"?
 
2014-07-17 11:30:54 AM
Black?  Pfft, non-story.

The real question...is he gay?

/gay is the new black
 
2014-07-17 11:31:26 AM

Aexia: White guy taking over for Captain America - "Cool story development"
Black guy taking over for Captain America - "THIS IS AN OUTRAGE"


Meh. I've never liked the "replace Cap with [x] because America has changed" idea in any of its iterations. He's supposed to represent timeless ideals. He's intentionally anachronistic.
 
2014-07-17 11:31:53 AM
Ugh why the fark do they want to screw with the classics? There already was a Thor girl anyways. One of the big points about cap is that he is a fish out of water. A man from the past brought back to life. Changing the basics of a classic character just reeks of gimmick to sell a few books.

nobody ever said they can't just make a bunch of new characters with interesting stories and backgrounds.

What's next the Superman sex change? The jewish DR. Strange? The Beyonder with Parkinsons?
 
2014-07-17 11:34:22 AM

Valiente: Who is this Steve Roger?


Captain America's alter ego.  Isn't it?
 
2014-07-17 11:34:34 AM

Zombie DJ: I love reading comments from other people around the Net about how terrible and unbelievable this is.
Oh, and 90% of those people don't even read comics, so they can fark off.
This will all be over in a month. Comics are soap operas.


You seem to go out of your way to read the opinions of people you don't respect/take seriously on an issue of trivial importance.

May I suggest taking up a hobby instead?
 
2014-07-17 11:35:09 AM

FirstNationalBastard: lamecomedian: I really like how they're spinning this as "well, the new guy is more sympathetic to the common man because, as a social worker, he's seen poverty firsthand." Because, you know, Steve Rodgers didn't grow up during the *Great Depression* or anything.

Change the character if you want, (I don't read the comic, so I don't care) but can we at least but more honest/less stupid about the motive?

If they were going to be honest, they would just say "sales suck and we'll do anything for a sales bump and mainstream media attention".


"Focus groups and polls indicate that there are more minorities than there used to be."
 
2014-07-17 11:36:27 AM
Who cares? Hasnt the guy already been 'Captain America' like 3 or 4 times already?
 
2014-07-17 11:36:45 AM

teenage mutant ninja rapist: Ugh why the fark do they want to screw with the classics? There already was a Thor girl anyways. One of the big points about cap is that he is a fish out of water. A man from the past brought back to life. Changing the basics of a classic character just reeks of gimmick to sell a few books.

nobody ever said they can't just make a bunch of new characters with interesting stories and backgrounds.

What's next the Superman sex change? The jewish DR. Strange? The Beyonder with Parkinsons?


Marvel already has a lot of Jewish characters though, right? Peter Parker, Kitty Pride, Ben Grimm... I'm sure I'm missing a few.
 
2014-07-17 11:37:18 AM

loonatic112358: So it's the Falcon? Will he still fly, any changes in powers, or does he get a new suit and the ol' shield?

Someone called that yesterday in the fark thread

I wonder if this will be reflected in the movies way down the line


The only way this really saddens me is that Falcon's a most under appreciated character in his own right- sort of like when fanboys insist that Dick Grayson ought to be Batman after Bruce Wayne dies the final time etc. instead of continue being Nightwing; that and Steve Rogers himself apparently being out of commission.

That said I like the fusion of Falcon's costume with Cap's- the new look actually works in my opinion, red lenses and all.
 
2014-07-17 11:38:30 AM
More like Captain AmeriCAN'T
Amirite?
 
2014-07-17 11:39:02 AM

sendtodave: FirstNationalBastard: lamecomedian: I really like how they're spinning this as "well, the new guy is more sympathetic to the common man because, as a social worker, he's seen poverty firsthand." Because, you know, Steve Rodgers didn't grow up during the *Great Depression* or anything.

Change the character if you want, (I don't read the comic, so I don't care) but can we at least but more honest/less stupid about the motive?

If they were going to be honest, they would just say "sales suck and we'll do anything for a sales bump and mainstream media attention".

"Focus groups and polls indicate that there are more minorities than there used to be."


I'll be very interested to see the sales numbers for Thorina and New Cap.
 
2014-07-17 11:39:18 AM

lamecomedian: Zombie DJ: I love reading comments from other people around the Net about how terrible and unbelievable this is.
Oh, and 90% of those people don't even read comics, so they can fark off.
This will all be over in a month. Comics are soap operas.

You seem to go out of your way to read the opinions of people you don't respect/take seriously on an issue of trivial importance.

May I suggest taking up a hobby instead?


I read comics.
And dumb peoples opinions.
It gets me by.
 
2014-07-17 11:39:28 AM

lamecomedian: teenage mutant ninja rapist: Ugh why the fark do they want to screw with the classics? There already was a Thor girl anyways. One of the big points about cap is that he is a fish out of water. A man from the past brought back to life. Changing the basics of a classic character just reeks of gimmick to sell a few books.

nobody ever said they can't just make a bunch of new characters with interesting stories and backgrounds.

What's next the Superman sex change? The jewish DR. Strange? The Beyonder with Parkinsons?

Marvel already has a lot of Jewish characters though, right? Peter Parker, Kitty Pride, Ben Grimm... I'm sure I'm missing a few.


Peter Parker's Jewish? Since when?

You're forgetting Magneto and his children- good call on Ben Grimm though: comics' most badass Jew. Dude could take 90s Goldberg one-handed.
 
2014-07-17 11:39:59 AM
The good news is the bad guys will never fight this Captain America. Instead the bad guys will try to discreetly cross the street to the other side and hope that the didn't bring any attention to themselves.
 
2014-07-17 11:40:42 AM
They tried to put a couple of different rubes under the Spiderman mask too. The thing about it is Peter Parker is Spiderman and anybody else trying to be Spiderman is just that, only trying.
 
2014-07-17 11:41:49 AM

Crotchrocket Slim: loonatic112358: So it's the Falcon? Will he still fly, any changes in powers, or does he get a new suit and the ol' shield?

Someone called that yesterday in the fark thread

I wonder if this will be reflected in the movies way down the line

The only way this really saddens me is that Falcon's a most under appreciated character in his own right- sort of like when fanboys insist that Dick Grayson ought to be Batman after Bruce Wayne dies the final time etc. instead of continue being Nightwing; that and Steve Rogers himself apparently being out of commission.

That said I like the fusion of Falcon's costume with Cap's- the new look actually works in my opinion, red lenses and all.


I actually hated the idea of Dick taking over for Bruce at first, but now I like it. Bruce is/was a broken person, but helped Dick find a way to overcome the same kind of grief and become a great guy. He's like, Batman made perfect.

Also, i hate nightwing's costume.
 
2014-07-17 11:42:28 AM

loonatic112358: So it's the Falcon? Will he still fly, any changes in powers, or does he get a new suit and the ol' shield?

Someone called that yesterday in the fark thread

I wonder if this will be reflected in the movies way down the line


Considering the black green lantern preceded the movie by a few decades Ima bet against it.
 
2014-07-17 11:42:31 AM

lamecomedian: sendtodave: FirstNationalBastard: lamecomedian: I really like how they're spinning this as "well, the new guy is more sympathetic to the common man because, as a social worker, he's seen poverty firsthand." Because, you know, Steve Rodgers didn't grow up during the *Great Depression* or anything.

Change the character if you want, (I don't read the comic, so I don't care) but can we at least but more honest/less stupid about the motive?

If they were going to be honest, they would just say "sales suck and we'll do anything for a sales bump and mainstream media attention".

"Focus groups and polls indicate that there are more minorities than there used to be."

I'll be very interested to see the sales numbers for Thorina and New Cap.


Debut at roughly 100,000 copies sold, make the top 10 for the month, huge drop for issue #2, and standard sales drops over the next 6 months to a year until sales are back to roughly what they were before the stunt (30,000-40,000 copies sold)

/it's how every relaunch and stunt goes, every time.
 
2014-07-17 11:44:52 AM

lamecomedian: teenage mutant ninja rapist: Ugh why the fark do they want to screw with the classics? There already was a Thor girl anyways. One of the big points about cap is that he is a fish out of water. A man from the past brought back to life. Changing the basics of a classic character just reeks of gimmick to sell a few books.

nobody ever said they can't just make a bunch of new characters with interesting stories and backgrounds.

What's next the Superman sex change? The jewish DR. Strange? The Beyonder with Parkinsons?

Marvel already has a lot of Jewish characters though, right? Peter Parker, Kitty Pride, Ben Grimm... I'm sure I'm missing a few.


Hate to break out my nerd credentials here but I've read the first 400 issues of the Amazing Spiderman and I'm almost certain I never heard of Parker being Jewish. I don't really recall them ever bringing religion into his books at all.


pretty much gave up on spidey during the dumbass clone fiasco. Mabey the newer books got into that type of thing more.
 
2014-07-17 11:45:11 AM

Crotchrocket Slim: lamecomedian: teenage mutant ninja rapist: Ugh why the fark do they want to screw with the classics? There already was a Thor girl anyways. One of the big points about cap is that he is a fish out of water. A man from the past brought back to life. Changing the basics of a classic character just reeks of gimmick to sell a few books.

nobody ever said they can't just make a bunch of new characters with interesting stories and backgrounds.

What's next the Superman sex change? The jewish DR. Strange? The Beyonder with Parkinsons?

Marvel already has a lot of Jewish characters though, right? Peter Parker, Kitty Pride, Ben Grimm... I'm sure I'm missing a few.

Peter Parker's Jewish? Since when?

You're forgetting Magneto and his children- good call on Ben Grimm though: comics' most badass Jew. Dude could take 90s Goldberg one-handed.


Ah, how could I forget Magneto? Good catch.

I don't think Pete is "official" but it's been implied in a few places. I remember Deadpool making a crack about being able to "see [Peter's] religion because of how tight his costume was.

Plus the whole Aunt May relationship...
 
2014-07-17 11:45:42 AM

teenage mutant ninja rapist: One of the big points about cap is that he is a fish out of water.


Those days are long over... the fish out of water thing stopped a long time ago. Cap's big issue now is that he built a legacy and his internal struggles are about the insecurity of upholding to that legacy... Basically, he's insecure about his hero status. He still wants to be a soldier, but the hero legacy he built is directly tied to everything he says and does.
 
2014-07-17 11:47:52 AM
I've got no real problem with Sam Wilson taking over for Steve. I am still kind of confused of the female Thor, though. Not because I'm against someone else wielding Mjolnir or having Thor's powers or anything, but because the writer was pretty adamant that the female Thor was Thor. It's not like Thor is his job description or anything - it's the dude's name. Absent a sex change, a name change via deed poll, or some really unfortunate naming choices by her parents, the female Thor isn't Thor.
 
2014-07-17 11:49:42 AM

teenage mutant ninja rapist: They tried to put a couple of different rubes under the Spiderman mask too. The thing about it is Peter Parker is Spiderman and anybody else trying to be Spiderman is just that, only trying.


I was going to get all nerd-ragey about Spiderman 2099 but he's really a completely different character who merely was inspired by PP.
 
2014-07-17 11:50:49 AM

lamecomedian: Crotchrocket Slim: loonatic112358: So it's the Falcon? Will he still fly, any changes in powers, or does he get a new suit and the ol' shield?

Someone called that yesterday in the fark thread

I wonder if this will be reflected in the movies way down the line

The only way this really saddens me is that Falcon's a most under appreciated character in his own right- sort of like when fanboys insist that Dick Grayson ought to be Batman after Bruce Wayne dies the final time etc. instead of continue being Nightwing; that and Steve Rogers himself apparently being out of commission.

That said I like the fusion of Falcon's costume with Cap's- the new look actually works in my opinion, red lenses and all.

I actually hated the idea of Dick taking over for Bruce at first, but now I like it. Bruce is/was a broken person, but helped Dick find a way to overcome the same kind of grief and become a great guy. He's like, Batman made perfect.

Also, i hate nightwing's costume.


Agree to disagree: well adjusted people shouldn't be running around in Batsuits
 
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