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2014-07-17 12:02:21 PM  
WTF is wrong with people?  How do these farkers keep winning elections?  Why would any woman, man who actually respects women, person of color, LGBT person, retired person, person who plans to retire some day, veteran, person who actually read and understood the Bible/Torah/Koran, teacher, librarian, hell, anyone who actually works for a living ever vote for a Republican?  Why?
 
2014-07-17 12:04:19 PM  

qorkfiend: GoldSpider: Look, I hate the GOP's war on women as much as anyone, but can we please at least acknowledge a difference between "free" and "access"?

As long as we can also acknowledge that cost directly affects access.


Of course.
 
2014-07-17 12:11:53 PM  
Buy your own contraceptives, Democrats.
 
2014-07-17 12:13:54 PM  

dwrash: Such BS from the left... NOTHING is free.. NOTHING.

Birth control should be available over the counter without prescription.. and the Republicans had that in their latest bill, and it was defeated.

FYI, More and more drugs are being available over the counter and not covered under insurance anymore...

Like the mantra of 'free' preventative care.. free is a load of crap, you still have to pay co-pays out the wazoo.

So would a woman prefer to pay a 30 copay for a doctors visit and then a 10-20 copay for her birth control pills or just go to CVS and pay $25-$30 for a months supply.  I think the answer is obvious.  Over the counter is cheaper for everyone involved.


Oral contraception can cause things like blood clots, thrombosis and strokes.  There are reasons you get it with a prescription.
 
2014-07-17 12:14:30 PM  

Noam Chimpsky: Buy your own contraceptives, Democrats.


1.bp.blogspot.com

               "Why won't you just do what we tell you to?"
 
2014-07-17 12:15:05 PM  

The_Six_Fingered_Man: Welp, I herped when I should have derped. Apologies.


I think you have to buy bagels for the office tomorrow.  It's a rule or something.
 
2014-07-17 12:16:53 PM  
"If we pass this bill it will piss off our base."
"Wont they vote for us anyway?"
"Yeah, but if we block it, the Dems can use it as ammunition in the elections."
"Brilliant!"
 
2014-07-17 12:24:29 PM  
What kind of contraceptives does a minority of republicans have control over and outlaw?
 
2014-07-17 12:26:01 PM  
It's not like women are full citizens or anything.
 
2014-07-17 12:30:55 PM  

Noam Chimpsky: Buy your own contraceptives, Democrats.


Take your own advice, Repubs.  You've got an out of control birthrate, no knowledge of basic human sexuality, and seem to get angry paying 60 cents for a lifetime of birth control, but will instead plunge half a million into social net services to take care of the child that resulted from not having easy access to common birth control.
 
2014-07-17 12:33:01 PM  

Khellendros: Noam Chimpsky: Buy your own contraceptives, Democrats.

Take your own advice, Repubs.  You've got an out of control birthrate, no knowledge of basic human sexuality, and seem to get angry paying 60 cents for a lifetime of birth control, but will instead plunge half a million into social net services to take care of the child that resulted from not having easy access to common birth control.


They're trying to cut social services, too.  Which will lead these kids straight into the privatized prison system.
 
2014-07-17 12:34:13 PM  

Soup4Bonnie: The_Six_Fingered_Man: Welp, I herped when I should have derped. Apologies.

I think you have to buy bagels for the office tomorrow.  It's a rule or something.


It's Friday, which means donuts. Not surprisingly, it actually is my day.
 
2014-07-17 12:36:43 PM  

qorkfiend: GoldSpider: Look, I hate the GOP's war on women as much as anyone, but can we please at least acknowledge a difference between "free" and "access"?

As long as we can also acknowledge that cost directly affects access.


Or that insurance coverage under a compensation package isn't free.
 
2014-07-17 12:38:31 PM  

Lee Jackson Beauregard: Khellendros: Noam Chimpsky: Buy your own contraceptives, Democrats.

Take your own advice, Repubs.  You've got an out of control birthrate, no knowledge of basic human sexuality, and seem to get angry paying 60 cents for a lifetime of birth control, but will instead plunge half a million into social net services to take care of the child that resulted from not having easy access to common birth control.

They're trying to cut social services, too.  Which will lead these kids straight into the privatized prison system.


Why do you hate vertical integration?
 
2014-07-17 12:38:36 PM  

Khellendros: Noam Chimpsky: Buy your own contraceptives, Democrats.

Take your own advice, Repubs.  You've got an out of control birthrate, no knowledge of basic human sexuality, and seem to get angry paying 60 cents for a lifetime of birth control, but will instead plunge half a million into social net services to take care of the child that resulted from not having easy access to common birth control.


The teen pregnancy rates and highest poverty rates are the worst in conservative states. Not to mention that the most effective way to reduce the number of abortions is making contraception available. Conservatives are simply ignorant.
 
2014-07-17 12:40:50 PM  
I like how the unprecedented suit of the President is a serious attempt to block the Usurper in Chief from Constitutional overreach (you know protecting people from Healthcare and releasing dangerous American POWs) but Democrats trying to re establish Womens rights to control their own bodies is a "Political Stunt".
 
2014-07-17 12:43:19 PM  
Denis Leary once had a bit in which he discussed women bringing their babies to the Supreme
Court and leaving them on the front steps (as in the "safe haven" concept).  The idea was that
the women would say to the justices, "You said we had to have them! NOW YOU RAISE THEM!"
 
2014-07-17 12:44:54 PM  

fiddlehead: Sumo Surfer: GOP Senators to women: "No, you can't have contraception. Not yours"

Except they can have contraception, despite the lies Democrats are hoping voters will buy.

Unless they can only afford the contraception if it's covered by their health care plan and their employer refuses to cover it because Jesus.


And god forbid they end up having a kid when they can't afford it. "Should have made better decisions, welfare queen."
 
2014-07-17 01:00:37 PM  

Karac: Sumo Surfer: GOP Senators to women: "No, you can't have contraception. Not yours"

Except they can have contraception, despite the lies Democrats are hoping voters will buy.

Not if they needed their insurance to pay for it.


Well then they can pull themselves up by their brastraps!

/women, amirite fellas?
 
2014-07-17 01:05:34 PM  
The vote was 56-43 to move ahead on the measure, short of the 60 votes necessary to proceed.


This is the single biggest reason I will never vote for a Republican at the federal level again. They've made it into a tyranny of the minority.
 
2014-07-17 01:07:54 PM  

Lee Jackson Beauregard: Khellendros: Noam Chimpsky: Buy your own contraceptives, Democrats.

Take your own advice, Repubs.  You've got an out of control birthrate, no knowledge of basic human sexuality, and seem to get angry paying 60 cents for a lifetime of birth control, but will instead plunge half a million into social net services to take care of the child that resulted from not having easy access to common birth control.

They're trying to cut social services, too.  Which will lead these kids straight into the privatized prison system.


Which is taxpayer funded at ~$30K a year.  Or even if they're not criminals, we're subsidizing their medical care 100%, at 5x the cost because it's all emergency room rates for preventable illnesses.  And WIC.  And housing.  And medicaid.  And on and on.

They don't realize WE PAY FOR IT ANYWAY.  I'm all for paying a few cents now to save hundreds of thousands in subsidized services and lost wages/productivity later.  But I guess that's too difficult for some people.
 
2014-07-17 01:09:34 PM  

The_Six_Fingered_Man: It's Friday, which means donuts. Not surprisingly, it actually is my day.


Sick of donuts.  I want pancakes!
 
2014-07-17 01:14:45 PM  

dwrash: So would a woman prefer to pay a 30 copay for a doctors visit and then a 10-20 copay for her birth control pills or just go to CVS and pay $25-$30 for a months supply.  I think the answer is obvious.  Over the counter is cheaper for everyone involved.


It is NOT that easy.

For starters, not all birth control is a pill format. You're aware of that right? There's also patch, shot and implant, and the decision between all of these should be medically informed.

Birth control can be damn near bulletproof but if you're on the wrong drug you're basically playing Russian Roulette with your body because not all birth control is the same! If you're on the wrong thing it can be completely ineffective or it can result in your body going completely haywire.

BC is not one size fits all, it is tailor chosen for you by someone who understands the gravity of it.

/had to stop hormonal BC because my body went into rejection mode
//periods were lasting longer than two weeks
///has now had a cut and burn tubal ligation and uterine ablation, best ten grand out of pocket I ever spent.
 
2014-07-17 01:18:31 PM  
And in the end, can someone PLEASE explain to me why X person's healthcare can be influenced by Y person's religion, even if Y person owns the company? Health care is PRIVATE, for god's sake! This court decision is goddamn miserable.

i1285.photobucket.com
 
2014-07-17 01:30:51 PM  
How on earth can a business claim they're paying for ANY part of employer provided insurance? It's part of the employee's pay. It doesn't matter if the employee pays for part of it from their normal pay and the employer 'pays' for the rest. The 'rest' of it is part of the overall pay. So my response to "not yours" is the same. That money is "not yours, it's mine, and I'll spend it on what the government says I can. Oh, and fark you for thinking it's yours, and fark you again for imposing your religion on me, and fark you for coming in-between me and my doctor.
 
2014-07-17 01:55:02 PM  
"The government shouldn't come between you and your doctor." This was a GOP rallying cry a few years ago when the ACA was being debated.  What happened to that?  And why is it now OK for your employer and his deity to come between you and your doctor?  It's getting pretty crowded there.
 
2014-07-17 01:56:04 PM  

way south: quatchi: someonelse: way south: Now you want them to pay for things they see as optional because you think women should get more free stuff, since they are women.

Name the free stuff.

The instant i hear the "free stuff" argument I know the person I'm arguing with either doesn't get how compensation packages work or is a disingenuous troll.

...and here we go, missing the point again.


I notice you have not yet named the free stuffs. I assume you're taking a long lunch and will be back here directly to answer my query.
 
2014-07-17 02:08:16 PM  

Khellendros: They don't realize WE PAY FOR IT ANYWAY. I'm all for paying a few cents now to save hundreds of thousands in subsidized services and lost wages/productivity later. But I guess that's too difficult for some people.


Republicans don't give a rolling rat sh*t about that... in those tiny little hamster cages they call "minds" it's all about control, not babies or money. Women who choose to control their own lives and their own bodies tweaks the living sh*t out of them, and these women deserve to SUFFER because they DIDN'T follow THE RULES.
Have unmarried sex? SUFFER!
Have unmarried protected sex? SUFFER!!
Have unmarried protected sex because you choose to have a child at that time in your life? SUFFER!!!!
Have unmarried unprotected sex and choose not to have a child at that time in your life? SUFFER!
Be a woman who makes her own decisions without input from a man? SUFFER X INFINITY!THERE AREN'T ENOUGH EXCLAMATION POINTS!

It's all about the punishment and suffering.
 
2014-07-17 02:10:47 PM  

Zeb Hesselgresser: Noam Chimpsky: Buy your own contraceptives, Democrats.

[1.bp.blogspot.com image 500x282]

               "Why won't you just do what we tell you to?"


That is a horrible f*ckin' mask.

I want one.
 
2014-07-17 02:46:28 PM  

Ringshadow: And in the end, can someone PLEASE explain to me why X person's healthcare can be influenced by Y person's religion, even if Y person owns the company? Health care is PRIVATE, for god's sake! This court decision is goddamn miserable.

[i1285.photobucket.com image 659x433]


The person paying the bills usually gets to determine what they want to purchase.  This is case for pretty much everything.. there are options everywhere.  The ACA ended up giving us very few options and also contained some requirements that were written by left wing bureaucrats to test the court system... they tried their gamble and lost... now they are all butt hurt.

I'm starting to think this is all a devious plan by Chief Justice Roberts.. he said the mandate was OK.. now the court is going to weaken it over time till it is no longer financially feasible and a giant wreck... and the democrats will be left owning a piece of costly swiss cheese.
 
2014-07-17 02:47:03 PM  
Why wasn't the Birth Control Mandate included in the law as it was written?
 
2014-07-17 02:49:02 PM  
Threads like these always remind me how uninformed some people really are about BC.  I'm glad there are other people who know the deal and are able to correct these people, but I can't help but notice that they are usually female (of course there are some men too).  It's almost as if those of us with experience in using these things (and thus having spoken with doctors and done research on it) know more about it and should probably be the ones making the decisions about it rather than people who obviously know very little about it (most politicians).

People seem to be extremely ignorant about IUD's as the same information has to be repeated in every thread that mentions them.

/Has had 2 IUD's (replacement due to expiration not complications) and been on various oral BC over the years.

Honestly, when I was younger I thought BC should be offered OTC for convenience issues, but now that I'm older and understand the issues, I don't really agree with that.  There are too many potential health complications associated with BC pills for their use to not be monitored and administered by a doctor (for instance they increased my blood pressure when I was on them which is why I switched to an IUD - not to mention how they made me hormonally crazy).  Also, in the long run it would probably be more expensive if they are OTC since they would no longer be partially covered by insurance (assuming your insurance covers it) and lord knows how much big pharma would charge for OTC BC.

IUD's are just superior anyway.  I get it replaced every 5 years, I don't have to think about it or remember to take anything, and I'm much more "normal" emotionally and physically.  BC pills caused me a lot of complications that I didn't even realize were happening to me until I went off of it.  I would even have my IUD if I never had sex simply because the minor hormonal release from the mirena means I don't get my period and my body crippling cramps don't occur.  Oral BC never provided that benefit to me.

But everyone is different.  My sister for instance can't even get pregnant, but she takes BC pills for her endometriosis.

I wish this issue weren't being exploited for political gain as it feels like women are just pawns in a political game where no one really cares about the facts or the people it affects, but are more concerned with scoring political points for their side.
 
2014-07-17 02:56:09 PM  

Zeb Hesselgresser: Why wasn't the Birth Control Mandate included in the law as it was written?


There were no insurance mandates in the law as it was written. But the law, as it was written, tasked a department, like most laws, and in this case HHS to define the requirements for health insurance.
 
2014-07-17 03:13:54 PM  

dwrash: The person paying the bills usually gets to determine what they want to purchase.  This is case for pretty much everything.. there are options everywhere.  The ACA ended up giving us very few options and also contained some requirements that were written by left wing bureaucrats to test the court system... they tried their gamble and lost... now they are all butt hurt.

I'm starting to think this is all a devious plan by Chief Justice Roberts.. he said the mandate was OK.. now the court is going to weaken it over time till it is no longer financially feasible and a giant wreck... and the democrats will be left owning a piece of costly swiss cheese.


Left wing bureaucrats? You mean the rest of the civilized world, which is shaking their heads in pity because we are failing to take care of our women?

Your reply contains no facts. None. You have literally said that someone's factually wrong opinion means they can decline to pay a bill.

Also, as an actual liberal, there are no liberals in power. We have no actual left wing. Obama is centrist, and in fact, is farther right than Reagan.

/Hobby Lobby doesn't even know what an IUD does
 
2014-07-17 03:25:53 PM  

dwrash: Such BS from the left... NOTHING is free.. NOTHING.

Birth control should be available over the counter without prescription.. and the Republicans had that in their latest bill, and it was defeated.

FYI, More and more drugs are being available over the counter and not covered under insurance anymore...

Like the mantra of 'free' preventative care.. free is a load of crap, you still have to pay co-pays out the wazoo.

So would a woman prefer to pay a 30 copay for a doctors visit and then a 10-20 copay for her birth control pills or just go to CVS and pay $25-$30 for a months supply.  I think the answer is obvious.  Over the counter is cheaper for everyone involved.


Followed by:

Different issue which is not at stake here... and to be honest, an IUD is cost ineffective in the long run and due to all the problems with them are getting more and more expensive as time goes on due to law suits.  It also doesn't protect from other diseases that are costly to cure/maintain.

If we were serious about disease and birth control in this country, condoms would be pretty much the only thing the CDC should allow.


That is a shiattonne of pig-ignorance in two shorts posts.  Not quite dense enough to ignite into a star, but still impressive.

I pity the woman who ever becomes your wife.

If you ever get laid, that is.  You certainly don't display much awareness of how the whole operation actually works.
 
2014-07-17 03:41:36 PM  

dwrash: Ringshadow: And in the end, can someone PLEASE explain to me why X person's healthcare can be influenced by Y person's religion, even if Y person owns the company? Health care is PRIVATE, for god's sake! This court decision is goddamn miserable.

[i1285.photobucket.com image 659x433]

The person paying the bills usually gets to determine what they want to purchase.  This is case for pretty much everything.. there are options everywhere.  The ACA ended up giving us very few options and also contained some requirements that were written by left wing bureaucrats to test the court system... they tried their gamble and lost... now they are all butt hurt.

I'm starting to think this is all a devious plan by Chief Justice Roberts.. he said the mandate was OK.. now the court is going to weaken it over time till it is no longer financially feasible and a giant wreck... and the democrats will be left owning a piece of costly swiss cheese.


Ladies and Gentlemen: The Politics of Spite!

Effective, humane policies?  We'll have none of that!

But if we can Stick It To The Libs?  Winner, winner, chicken dinner!

You lot are repulsive.
 
2014-07-17 04:14:59 PM  
I was able to get bc pills otc in South Africa 15 years ago. The US is a backward country.

Also had my wisdom teeth taken out for 5 rand (about $2 at the time) Was completely painless and no complications
 
2014-07-17 04:32:34 PM  

JoieD'Zen: F*ck them all. Politicians have no business in women's healthcare and reproductive choices. The men should STFU unless their own wife is involved.


Then why did they mandate the coverage in the first place?
 
2014-07-17 04:34:51 PM  

SharkInfested: I was able to get bc pills otc in South Africa 15 years ago. The US is a backward country.



Senate Republicans' Birth Control Bill Could Pave the Way for Over-the-Counter Contraception
 
2014-07-17 04:37:47 PM  

jigger: SharkInfested: I was able to get bc pills otc in South Africa 15 years ago. The US is a backward country.


Senate Republicans' Birth Control Bill Could Pave the Way for Over-the-Counter Contraception


lol

It could also do nothing, which is much more likely.
 
2014-07-17 05:00:06 PM  

SharkInfested: I was able to get bc pills otc in South Africa 15 years ago. The US is a backward country.


These two statements are not connected.  Both are quite true, but have little to do with each other.
 
2014-07-17 05:03:46 PM  

jigger: SharkInfested: I was able to get bc pills otc in South Africa 15 years ago. The US is a backward country.


Senate Republicans' Birth Control Bill Could Pave the Way for Over-the-Counter Contraception


Your link: "The Preserving Religious Freedom and a Woman's Access to Contraception Act ... requests that the Food and Drug Administration study whether prescription contraceptives could be made available safely to adults without a prescription"

Guess what?  The FDA's been doing that for two decades.  And one of the emergency contraceptives Hobby Lobby objects to, Plan B, IS over the counter.
 
2014-07-17 05:03:57 PM  

The_Six_Fingered_Man: Skirl Hutsenreiter: Can you math?

$30 + ($15-25) x 13 = $225-355

Can you?

At the low end, $30 + $15($45) x 13 = $585
At the high end, $30 + $25 ($55) x 13 = $715

Even just $30 x 13 = $390, which is out of your stated range....


Yeah...uh...WHERE, exactly, are those numbers in bold coming from?  They're not in your original statement:  So would a woman prefer to pay a 30 copay(this is a high number, by the way.  My own experience has my most expensive co-pay for any doctor visit (including getting a broken bone diagnosed and treated at PatientFirst) I've been to at 20) for a doctors visit and then a 10-20 copay for her birth control pills or just go to CVS and pay $25-$30 for a months supply.  I think the answer is obvious.  Over the counter is cheaper for everyone involved.

Also, as stated above, it would be P=Cd(V)+(Cp*D), Where P is the total price of the pill, Cd is the co-pay of the doctor's appointment, which is calculated yearly - not per visit - now, V is the number of visits being made for the duration of taking the medication for which the copay used in Cd must be paid, Cp is the co-pay/cost of the pills, and D is the duration (in months) the prescription is good for/the pills will be taken.

So, for the costs of the pills for 12 months, using the numbers you provided, the costs are:

With insurance:
Low = 30(1)+(10*12)=30+(120)=150
HIgh = 30(1)+(15*12)=30+(180)=210

Over the Counter, assuming no doctor visits:
Low = 0(1)+25*12=300 (twice as expensive)
HIgh = 0(1)+30*12=360

Hmm....Seems you were wrong.  Let's try two years:

With Insurance:
Low = 30(2)+(10*24)=60+240=300
High = 30(2)+(15*24)=60+360=420(smoke weed erryday)

OTC:
Low = 0(2)+25*24=600(again, twice as much)
High = 0(2)+30*24=720

Ouch.

Oh, before I forget:  the only way this get's better for you is if the yearly co-pay for doctor's visits isn't capped and the doctor has to write more than one prescription a year.  A fairly common practice is a 3-month prescription (4 visits).  Let's see what happens for one year.

Low = 30(4)+(10*12)=120+120=240
High = 30(4)+(15*12)=120+180= 300

Wow.  At the most common practice rate for non-birth-control perscriptions, you STILL lose.
 
2014-07-17 05:22:39 PM  

grumpfuff: The vote was 56-43 to move ahead on the measure, short of the 60 votes necessary to proceed.


This is the single biggest reason I will never vote for a Republican at the federal level again. They've made it into a tyranny of the minority.


It' amazing that nearly every other President has managed to deal with opposite party minorities regardless of the Presidents party.  This president had difficulty with a super-majority senate.  It's pretty clear where the problem is.
 
2014-07-17 05:28:39 PM  

tbeatty: grumpfuff: The vote was 56-43 to move ahead on the measure, short of the 60 votes necessary to proceed.


This is the single biggest reason I will never vote for a Republican at the federal level again. They've made it into a tyranny of the minority.

It' amazing that nearly every other President has managed to deal with opposite party minorities regardless of the Presidents party.  This president had difficulty with a super-majority senate.  It's pretty clear where the problem is.


Yes, well this is also the first time in American history that the entire opposition party has collectively decided to act like petulant children as well.
 
2014-07-17 05:30:03 PM  

tbeatty: It' amazing that nearly every other President has managed to deal with opposite party minorities regardless of the Presidents party.


You forgot to mention that the minority party wasn't abusing the shiat out of filibusters.

tbeatty: This president had difficulty with a super-majority senate.


wat

tbeatty: It's pretty clear where the problem is.


Yup, the problem is the type of people who think the Democrats have a super-majority in the Senate.
 
2014-07-17 05:52:54 PM  

grumpfuff: tbeatty: It' amazing that nearly every other President has managed to deal with opposite party minorities regardless of the Presidents party.

You forgot to mention that the minority party wasn't abusing the shiat out of filibusters.

tbeatty: This president had difficulty with a super-majority senate.

wat

tbeatty: It's pretty clear where the problem is.

Yup, the problem is the type of people who think the Democrats have a super-majority in the Senate.


Ladies and Gentlemen: tbeatty, the Bill Kristol of Fark: never correct, about anything!
 
2014-07-17 09:28:13 PM  
Women can no longer have contraception? Is that headline correct?
 
2014-07-17 09:40:40 PM  

Ambivalence: Nope, no war on women here.  No Sirree.


To me more precise, I call it "The War on My Ass Pocket".

All too often the whiners are sure that access to My Ass Pocket will solve their problems. I am the one under attack, not them.

From now on if you have a right or privilege and your only complaint is that somebody else isn't paying for it we're going to describe the war accurately.
 
2014-07-18 02:01:03 AM  

friday13: tbeatty: grumpfuff: The vote was 56-43 to move ahead on the measure, short of the 60 votes necessary to proceed.


This is the single biggest reason I will never vote for a Republican at the federal level again. They've made it into a tyranny of the minority.

It' amazing that nearly every other President has managed to deal with opposite party minorities regardless of the Presidents party.  This president had difficulty with a super-majority senate.  It's pretty clear where the problem is.

Yes, well this is also the first time in American history that the entire opposition party has collectively decided to act like petulant children as well.


Oh BS.  The left still hates Reagan and GWB and the Dem senate treated them no differently than republicans are treating Obama.  The problem is that Obama lacks the personal charisma that gets things solved.   Look at how Robert Bork and
Douglas H. Ginsburg (look up Douglas Ginsburg and the reasons Dems opposed him and he withdrew) were treated.  the "nuclear option" was first mentioned when Dems collectively decided to act like petulant children.  The opposition does what it does and it always been that way.   The inability to deal with it is what defines this administration, not the opposition.

This is also jut a stunt because even if the senate passed such a bill, the house would not.  Why are they even wasting time on it?  we pay them for his?
 
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