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2014-07-17 11:04:10 AM  

ManateeGag: dwrash: ManateeGag: dwrash: Birth control should be available over the counter without prescription

really?  so women, who have no idea what their needs are medically, should just randomly pick some form of birth control pill that will do God knows what to their physical and mental health?  Birth control pills are not one size fits all.

Karac: What's the over-the-counter cost of an IUD?

yeah, just sit up on the counter and the pharmacist will put it in for you. or you can get a hand mirror and do it yourself.

This isn't my idea.. its the idea of the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists.. you know, the doctors that prescribe them?

https://www.acog.org/Resources-And-Publications/Committee-Opinions/C om mittee-on-Gynecologic-Practice/Over-the-Counter-Access-to-Oral-Contrac eptives

i don't care whose idea it is.  it's retarded.


So you do not care about the facts?... I thought you guys agreed that the republicans had that market cornered... when in fact you both live in alternate realities where your ideas trump reality.
 
2014-07-17 11:04:14 AM  
Cost of contraception- maybe a few hundred dollars?
Cost of an abortion- maybe a few hundred dollars?

Cost of a child that must be supported via welfare, sent to school, and taken care of medically when the mother (or father) can't support said child? Oh a lot more than a few hundred dollars.

Short term costs vs Long term costs. Don't be Corporate minded and think 'next quarter'.
 
2014-07-17 11:04:31 AM  

Sumo Surfer: GOP Senators to women: "No, you can't have contraception. Not yours"

Except they can have contraception, despite the lies Democrats are hoping voters will buy.


Of course they can. They just have to pay the wildly inflated prices that pharmaceuticalj companies can charge on the individual market, instead of the much lower prices that insurance companies can negotiate with their market position.

But really it'sOK ig women paying $150 a month retail, instead of the insurance cimpanies paying $32 dollars minus a $30 co-pay. If women wanted comprehensive health coverage, they should have been born as men. They made their choice, and they should accept the consequences.
 
2014-07-17 11:04:36 AM  

Drakuun: Doc Daneeka: Wouldn't failing to provide contraceptive coverage actually raise premiums for everybody else?

You'd have to think that it's cheaper for an insurance company to pay for contraception than it is to pay for prenatal care / labor / delivery / hospital stay / maternity / newborn care.

It blows my mind that a group of people that support and value the ideal of "preemption" for their wars, don't understand that paying for a pill preempts all that other 'cost' you outlay in your post.


Not to mention abortion.  Contraception prevents pregnancy, preventing pregnancy prevents abortions, the GOP doesn't like abortions.  They should be all over this shiat, but they're not, because it's really just about punishing sluts for being slutty.
 
2014-07-17 11:04:38 AM  

dwrash: So would a woman prefer to pay a 30 copay for a doctors visit and then a 10-20 copay for her birth control pills or just go to CVS and pay $25-$30 for a months supply.  I think the answer is obvious.  Over the counter is cheaper for everyone involved.


Can you math?

$30 + ($15-25) x 13 = $225-355

($25-30) x 13 = $325-390

If that's the choice you're laying out, I know which one I'd pick.  But that's irrelevant because not everyone can have those fancy pants plans with copays rather than deductibles anyways.

But all that aside, the most effective AND cheapest long term birth control is exactly the type Hobby Lobby didn't want to cover: implants and IUDs.  You can go to your doctor once and get a device that lasts years.  Problem is the upfront costs are intimidating.  Everyone can think of something they'd rather spend $1000 on now; you don't do quite the same calculation automatically with $30 a month.

The nice thing about no cost birth control is that those short term versus long term cost calculations are removed from the equation and more women choose the cheaper, more effective options.

\Yes, 4 weeks goes into 52 weeks 13 times, not 12, despite what many practitioners seem to think as they keep writing for 12 packs when they know your insurance won't let you come back for 52 weeks.
 
2014-07-17 11:06:19 AM  

dwrash: So would a woman prefer to pay a 30 copay for a doctors visit and then a 10-20 copay for her birth control pills or just go to CVS and pay $25-$30 for a months supply. I think the answer is obvious. Over the counter is cheaper for everyone involved.


dwrash: Hey.. I do like to troll sometimes... there are so many stupid people here that will bite at anything.

 
2014-07-17 11:07:02 AM  

dwrash: Typical response from a hack... I am socially liberal and fiscally conservative.

The big thing that this country needs is a sit down and for a vote on what the total tax burden should be on every american and corporation and set a percentage cap on it and then make government operate under that hard cap. This entire idea of raising taxes and requiring people to purchase things is a pyramid scheme is bound to collapse when people just don't have any more money to give.

But politicians know that such a discussion, although wise, is political suicide.

The bottom line is that we are all stupid.


Free, openly available birth control is the wisest fiscal option that could be considered for the public.  The billions saved in lost wages, lost education time, welfare, social security, social services, medicaid, unpaid hospital bills, medical complications, etc would change the way our society functions, and create greater freedom for a large portion of our populace.

And those that need this most are the working poor, low income, and those on some form of assistance already.  Restricting it in any way puts a LARGER tax burden on the populace.  This a cost of literally pennies per person per year, and would save billions in hard-dollar services and massive amounts of soft-dollar savings over the next 50 years.

This is a measure that could measurably and demonstrably change millions of lives, making them more productive, and lowering the tax burden on the populace for services.  It's the most sound fiscal decision that could be implemented.

Outdated social expectations are the only reason it's not already law.
 
2014-07-17 11:07:32 AM  

dwrash: ManateeGag: dwrash: Birth control should be available over the counter without prescription

really?  so women, who have no idea what their needs are medically, should just randomly pick some form of birth control pill that will do God knows what to their physical and mental health?  Birth control pills are not one size fits all.

Karac: What's the over-the-counter cost of an IUD?

yeah, just sit up on the counter and the pharmacist will put it in for you. or you can get a hand mirror and do it yourself.

This isn't my idea.. its the idea of the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists.. you know, the doctors that prescribe them?

https://www.acog.org/Resources-And-Publications/Committee-Opinions/C om mittee-on-Gynecologic-Practice/Over-the-Counter-Access-to-Oral-Contrac eptives


From your link:
Unintended pregnancy remains a major public health problem in the United States. Access and cost issues are common reasons why women either do not use contraception or have gaps in use. A potential way to improve contraceptive access and use, and possibly decrease unintended pregnancy rates, is to allow over-the-counter access to oral contraceptives (OCs).  ... Weighing the risks versus the benefits based on currently available data, OCs should be available over-the-counter.

They think birth control pills should be over-the-counter because it would make them cheaper and therefore used more often.  You know what else would make birth control pills cheaper for women to afford?  Not letting employers decide to not include them in health insurance.
 
2014-07-17 11:08:06 AM  
"But Republicans said that the Democratic effort was merely a move to boost struggling incumbents and that both parties support a woman's right to make her own health care decisions."

No, it was a move to get you to show, on the record, that you do not support a woman's right to make her own health care decisions.  And they won. If you had passed the bill, it would have shown you support a woman's right to make her own health care decisions and it would have spiked their guns,
 
2014-07-17 11:09:09 AM  

dwrash: fiddlehead: dwrash: ManateeGag: dwrash: Birth control should be available over the counter without prescription

really?  so women, who have no idea what their needs are medically, should just randomly pick some form of birth control pill that will do God knows what to their physical and mental health?  Birth control pills are not one size fits all.

Karac: What's the over-the-counter cost of an IUD?

yeah, just sit up on the counter and the pharmacist will put it in for you. or you can get a hand mirror and do it yourself.

This isn't my idea.. its the idea of the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists.. you know, the doctors that prescribe them?

https://www.acog.org/Resources-And-Publications/Committee-Opinions/C om mittee-on-Gynecologic-Practice/Over-the-Counter-Access-to-Oral-Contrac eptives

You are aware that oral contraceptives and IUDs are two completely separate things, right?

Absolutely, and my response was to the first section of the quoted post.. and addressed her assertion that you should have to go to a doctor to get a prescription for the pill... the doctors disagree with his/her opinion.


Ironically, one of the reasons that ACOG recommends making OCPs OTC is to avoid dealing with asshole pharmacists who refuse to fill these prescriptions.
 
2014-07-17 11:09:25 AM  

raerae1980: I'm againt OTC birth control pills due to my own experiences, but keep trying that argument. I don't think you guys have any idea how invasive it is to get that prescription. Or how expensive it is out of pocket. But keep insisting on it not being covered by insurance, won't backfire on you at all.


I know how it is, my ex tried the pill for a while and it wreaked havoc on her system, so much so that I didn't want to see her go through it anymore and we went back to condoms.

As far as UID's go.. based on lawsuits, if I were a woman, I would be extremely wary of them and only consider them as a last resort. (yet I cannot see what last resort that would be... a partner that refuses to use a condom or a latex allergy (there are types that supposedly solve that issue).

I hear horror stories about punctured uterus's and uncontrolled bleeding that scare the crap out of me.

For me, I had the two kids that I wanted, then opted for a vasectomy to solve the situation..
 
2014-07-17 11:09:28 AM  

dwrash: Drakuun: dwrash:
The bottom line is that we are all stupid.


No, the question is, Why do you keep playing into the wheelhouse of the people doing it to us?
 
2014-07-17 11:09:37 AM  
Explain to me again why anyone with a vagina should even think about voting for any of these pricks?
 
2014-07-17 11:10:54 AM  

rewind2846: Explain to me again why anyone with a vagina should even think about voting for any of these pricks?


There are a lot of stupid women out there.
A. LOT.
 
2014-07-17 11:11:19 AM  

Skirl Hutsenreiter: Can you math?

$30 + ($15-25) x 13 = $225-355


Can you?

At the low end, $30 + $15($45) x 13 = $585
At the high end, $30 + $25 ($55) x 13 = $715

Even just $30 x 13 = $390, which is out of your stated range....
 
2014-07-17 11:12:11 AM  

rewind2846: Explain to me again why anyone with a vagina should even think about voting for any of these pricks?


How else will they buy all those shoes, and live in the Hamptons with their illegal immigrant slaves?
 
2014-07-17 11:12:37 AM  

dwrash: Such BS from the left... NOTHING is free.. NOTHING.

Birth control should be available over the counter without prescription.. and the Republicans had that in their latest bill, and it was defeated.


Republicans did not suggest make anything more available over the counter.  All the Republican bill did was request the FDA to run a study to determine whether more birth control could be designated as over the counter.

In other words, Republicans were promising to ask someone to look into the matter some time in the future with zero promised results.
 
2014-07-17 11:13:00 AM  

rewind2846: Explain to me again why anyone with a vagina should even think about voting for any of these pricks?


They're the rare kind of women who get moral abortions.
 
2014-07-17 11:14:04 AM  
Somebody take away their farking boner pills, stat.

/at least make off-label uses illegal
 
2014-07-17 11:15:29 AM  

dwrash: As far as UID's go.. based on lawsuits, if I were a woman, I would be extremely wary of them and only consider them as a last resort. (yet I cannot see what last resort that would be... a partner that refuses to use a condom or a latex allergy (there are types that supposedly solve that issue).


There have been concerns that using an OCP while breastfeeding can reduce or eliminate milk supply. Many women choose non-hormonal methods of birth control like an IUD because of this. It's such a common choice that I was given an IUD pamphlet as part of my post-partum package.

/the more you know
 
2014-07-17 11:15:31 AM  

dwrash: Birth control should be available over the counter without prescription.


FAIL. Birth control pills, IUDs, Depo and other methods are serious medicine, unlike aspirin or cold pills. They can alter the body's chemistry (and for most that is what they are supposed to do to prevent pregnancy) in ways that can be life threatening. They are not something I'd want to use without being watched by a physician because they can f*ck you up, even when used as directed.
 
2014-07-17 11:15:58 AM  

dwrash: raerae1980: I'm againt OTC birth control pills due to my own experiences, but keep trying that argument. I don't think you guys have any idea how invasive it is to get that prescription. Or how expensive it is out of pocket. But keep insisting on it not being covered by insurance, won't backfire on you at all.

I know how it is, my ex tried the pill for a while and it wreaked havoc on her system, so much so that I didn't want to see her go through it anymore and we went back to condoms.

As far as UID's go.. based on lawsuits, if I were a woman, I would be extremely wary of them and only consider them as a last resort. (yet I cannot see what last resort that would be... a partner that refuses to use a condom or a latex allergy (there are types that supposedly solve that issue).

I hear horror stories about punctured uterus's and uncontrolled bleeding that scare the crap out of me.

For me, I had the two kids that I wanted, then opted for a vasectomy to solve the situation..


I DON'T WANT TO PAY BECAUSE : PERSONAL ANECDOTES!!
 
2014-07-17 11:16:36 AM  

dwrash: and to be honest, (1) an IUD is cost ineffective in the long run and (2) due to all the problems with them are getting more and more expensive as time goes on due to law suits. (3) It also doesn't protect from other diseases that are costly to cure/maintain.


1. An IUD (ParaGard is the one I'm most familiar with, and IIRC the most common) costs about $600-800, and is good for 12 years. Using $800 over 12 years, that's $5.56 per month on mostly idiot-proof BC that is between 97.8% and 99.9% effective (compared with The Pill, which as used is only about 80-some% effective). How much does a month's worth of The Pill cost?

2. I think you're using older information. In the 60s and 70s, there were some health concerns and a few lawsuits, but the "rebirth" (sorry) of the IUD as a common BC option has had fewer of those problems. Specifically for women who can't take hormonal BC for health reasons, an IUD like ParaGard might be her only option, and docs are prescribing them MORE often these days, not less

3. No other BC option besides condoms do that, and the fact that pregnancy and disease are two different things to protect against may inform your argument. Why shouldn't a married woman be able to have condom-free sex with her husband (both of them disease-free) and be largely secure in the knowledge she won't get pregnant? (Why do you hate freedom?)
 
2014-07-17 11:16:38 AM  

dwrash: raerae1980: I'm againt OTC birth control pills due to my own experiences, but keep trying that argument. I don't think you guys have any idea how invasive it is to get that prescription. Or how expensive it is out of pocket. But keep insisting on it not being covered by insurance, won't backfire on you at all.

I know how it is, my ex tried the pill for a while and it wreaked havoc on her system, so much so that I didn't want to see her go through it anymore and we went back to condoms.


My daughters use birth control to control painful cycles as well as protection from pregnancy. They've had to try different kinds to find one that matched their bodies the best. There isn't one kind out there- there are several. Your ex could work with the doctor to find one that will serve her best.
 
2014-07-17 11:17:24 AM  

The_Six_Fingered_Man: Skirl Hutsenreiter: Can you math?

$30 + ($15-25) x 13 = $225-355

Can you?

At the low end, $30 + $15($45) x 13 = $585
At the high end, $30 + $25 ($55) x 13 = $715

Even just $30 x 13 = $390, which is out of your stated range....


The $30 doctor visit is only once a year. So it's $30 + ($15*13) not, ($30+$15)*30.

So yeah, Skirl isn't the one with the math problem.
 
2014-07-17 11:18:17 AM  

nmrsnr: ($30+$15)*3013


I can math, but apparently I can't typing.
 
2014-07-17 11:18:50 AM  

dwrash: As far as UID's go.. based on lawsuits, if I were a woman, I would be extremely wary of them and only consider them as a last resort. (yet I cannot see what last resort that would be... a partner that refuses to use a condom or a latex allergy (there are types that supposedly solve that issue).


Endometriosis. But condoms will solve that....  For a group that argued so fervrently about keeping government out of the doctor patient relationship they sure seem to have no problem with having an employer getting between a patient and their doctor. Consistency is not a strong point of political hacks though.
 
2014-07-17 11:19:22 AM  
Disingenuous troll thinks we actually have 'true democracy' in the USA..

So cute.
 
2014-07-17 11:20:10 AM  

dwrash: So would a woman prefer to pay a 30 copay for a doctors visit and then a 10-20 copay for her birth control pills or just go to CVS and pay $25-$30 for a months supply. I think the answer is obvious. Over the counter is cheaper for everyone involved.


The_Six_Fingered_Man: Skirl Hutsenreiter: Can you math?

$30 + ($15-25) x 13 = $225-355

Can you?

At the low end, $30 + $15($45) x 13 = $585
At the high end, $30 + $25 ($55) x 13 = $715

Even just $30 x 13 = $390, which is out of your stated range....


High end of wash's prescription costs: $30 copay for one doctor visit, plus $20 each for 13 sets of four weeks:
$30 + ($20 * 13) = $30 + $260 = $290.

Low end of his OTC costs: $25 each for 13 sets of four weeks:
$25 * 13 = $325
 
2014-07-17 11:22:16 AM  

dwrash: Different issue which is not at stake here... and to be honest, an IUD is cost ineffective in the long run and due to all the problems with them are getting more and more expensive as time goes on due to law suits.  It also doesn't protect from other diseases that are costly to cure/maintain.

If we were serious about disease and birth control in this country, condoms would be pretty much the only thing the CDC should allow.


So, you're making shiat up.

Your information about IUDs is thirty years old.  Studies have shown no increase in PID over the normal rate (provided you don't have Chlamydia).

And the way people actually (mis)use condoms, they're only 84% effective as birth control.  As in, 16% of people relying on condoms will get pregnant after a year.  That's way better than not using anything, and if you can't trust your partners, you certainly need to use condoms for STD protection.  But as someone who's not cool with rolling dice at 84%, you also something else to provide that extra birth control protection.
 
2014-07-17 11:23:47 AM  
"A woman's health care decision should be made with her doctor, with her family, with her faith, not by her employer with her employer's faith," Shaheen said in a Senate speech.

Unfortunately You involved the employers faith by making them part of the health care subsidization scheme.   Now you want them to pay for things they see as optional because you think women should get more free stuff, since they are women.
Faith or not, you should've figured that neither the modern day slavemaster nor the insurer they barter with was going to let that slide.

/Said it before and I'll say it again: They're fighting the wrong battle and everyone is going to lose.
 
2014-07-17 11:24:26 AM  

The_Six_Fingered_Man: Skirl Hutsenreiter: Can you math?

$30 + ($15-25) x 13 = $225-355

Can you?

At the low end, $30 + $15($45) x 13 = $585
At the high end, $30 + $25 ($55) x 13 = $715

Even just $30 x 13 = $390, which is out of your stated range....


That $30 is a once a year cost.  You don't go to the doctor every month for birth control.

\Order of operations
 
2014-07-17 11:26:06 AM  
Pay attention, voters. In ideal Republicanland, you are supposed to look for a new job every time your employer gets religion.
 
2014-07-17 11:26:39 AM  
When will women learn their place and stop trying to fight it? Women belong in the kitchen and in the homes birthing children and being subservient to their husbands, not trying to be actual human beings or their own people. Birth control is ruining our society by allowing women to think should try to be anything beyond a mother.


/woman
//obvious troll is obvious
///I always loved slashies
 
2014-07-17 11:27:19 AM  

way south: Now you want them to pay for things they see as optional because you think women should get more free stuff, since they are women.


Name the free stuff.
 
2014-07-17 11:29:05 AM  

someonelse: way south: Now you want them to pay for things they see as optional because you think women should get more free stuff, since they are women.

Name the free stuff.


People who don't understand how compensation packages work believe it is free.
 
2014-07-17 11:31:16 AM  
Belief is a beautiful armor.....
 
2014-07-17 11:33:56 AM  
Ah once again the Republican 43-vote supermajority dominates.
 
2014-07-17 11:34:52 AM  
I wished I could actually care about whiny women. As such, no.
 
2014-07-17 11:36:29 AM  

dwrash: Karac: dwrash: Such BS from the left... NOTHING is free.. NOTHING.

Birth control should be available over the counter without prescription.. and the Republicans had that in their latest bill, and it was defeated.

FYI, More and more drugs are being available over the counter and not covered under insurance anymore...

Like the mantra of 'free' preventative care.. free is a load of crap, you still have to pay co-pays out the wazoo.

So would a woman prefer to pay a 30 copay for a doctors visit and then a 10-20 copay for her birth control pills or just go to CVS and pay $25-$30 for a months supply.  I think the answer is obvious.  Over the counter is cheaper for everyone involved.

What's the over-the-counter cost of an IUD?

Different issue which is not at stake here... and to be honest, an IUD is cost ineffective in the long run and due to all the problems with them are getting more and more expensive as time goes on due to law suits.  It also doesn't protect from other diseases that are costly to cure/maintain.

If we were serious about disease and birth control in this country, condoms would be pretty much the only thing the CDC should allow.


Which don't protect against HPV, which causes cancer. Try again, dumbass.
 
2014-07-17 11:37:13 AM  

someonelse: way south: Now you want them to pay for things they see as optional because you think women should get more free stuff, since they are women.

Name the free stuff.


The instant i hear the "free stuff" argument I know the person I'm arguing with either doesn't get how compensation packages work or is a disingenuous troll.
 
2014-07-17 11:45:16 AM  

DrSansabeltNoShiatSlacks: I wished I could actually care about whiny women. As such, no.


NTTIAWWT
 
2014-07-17 11:47:38 AM  

quatchi: someonelse: way south: Now you want them to pay for things they see as optional because you think women should get more free stuff, since they are women.

Name the free stuff.

The instant i hear the "free stuff" argument I know the person I'm arguing with either doesn't get how compensation packages work or is a disingenuous troll.


...and here we go, missing the point again.
 
2014-07-17 11:50:29 AM  
Republicans playing gynecologist is much scarier that imagining your parents mating.
 
2014-07-17 11:50:36 AM  

dookdookdook: Republicans called the bill a political stunt aimed at helping vulnerable Democratic incumbents in the elections.

Possibly, but you dumbshiats still played right into it, because you just can't help yourselves.


This.
 
2014-07-17 11:56:21 AM  
I'm not going to troll today, but I will give you some advice.  When Yahoo posts an article, just go to the comments and cut and paste the first one you see.  This one is pure gold:

This doesn't have anything to do with contraception or women's rights. It has to do with the democrats being poor losers. No body bothers to mention that these contraception types were put in the law after it was passed by some unelected nobodies in the Obama government.
The supreme Court found what they felt was the Constructional right of Hobby Lobby, that is their job. However, Obama choose to waive the employee mandate in the law (which was passed in the law) which was not in his job description.


I've highlighted my favorite parts.
 
2014-07-17 11:57:48 AM  
way south: Now you want them to pay for things they see as optional because you think women should get more free stuff, since they are women.

OK, we'll let men have access to "free" OCPs and IUDs too. EQUALITY.
 
2014-07-17 11:57:57 AM  
Look, I hate the GOP's war on women as much as anyone, but can we please at least acknowledge a difference between "free" and "access"?
 
2014-07-17 11:59:16 AM  

GoldSpider: Look, I hate the GOP's war on women as much as anyone, but can we please at least acknowledge a difference between "free" and "access"?


As long as we can also acknowledge that cost directly affects access.
 
2014-07-17 11:59:43 AM  
Welp, I herped when I should have derped. Apologies.
 
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