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2014-07-17 06:27:10 AM
Nope, no war on women here.  No Sirree.
 
2014-07-17 06:31:53 AM
F*ck them all. Politicians have no business in women's healthcare and reproductive choices. The men should STFU unless their own wife is involved.
 
2014-07-17 06:33:10 AM

JoieD'Zen: F*ck them all. Politicians have no business in women's healthcare and reproductive choices. The men should STFU unless their own wife is involved.


Even then they should STFU (in public, I don't care what they say in private. none of my business).
 
2014-07-17 07:26:19 AM
The vote was 56-43 to move ahead on the measure, short of the 60 votes necessary to proceed.

Yeah, that makes sense
 
2014-07-17 07:28:39 AM
Republicans called the bill a political stunt aimed at helping vulnerable Democratic incumbents in the elections.

Possibly, but you dumbshiats still played right into it, because you just can't help yourselves.
 
2014-07-17 08:23:10 AM
GOP Senators to women: "No, you can't have contraception. Not yours"

Except they can have contraception, despite the lies Democrats are hoping voters will buy.
 
2014-07-17 10:14:45 AM

Sumo Surfer: GOP Senators to women: "No, you can't have contraception. Not yours"

Except they can have contraception, despite the lies Democrats are hoping voters will buy.


...but hey..as long as your Viagra is covered we are ok! Small penises I guess need special care. AK-47's with extra long barrels will be covered soon.
 
2014-07-17 10:32:41 AM

WhiskeyBender: Sumo Surfer: GOP Senators to women: "No, you can't have contraception. Not yours"

Except they can have contraception, despite the lies Democrats are hoping voters will buy.

...but hey..as long as your Viagra is covered we are ok! Small penises I guess need special care. AK-47's with extra long barrels will be covered soon.


Whole lot of this.
 
2014-07-17 10:33:25 AM

Sumo Surfer: GOP Senators to women: "No, you can't have contraception. Not yours"

Except they can have contraception, despite the lies Democrats are hoping voters will buy.


Unless they can only afford the contraception if it's covered by their health care plan and their employer refuses to cover it because Jesus.
 
2014-07-17 10:34:09 AM

Sumo Surfer: GOP Senators to women: "No, you can't have contraception. Not yours"

Except they can have contraception, despite the lies Democrats are hoping voters will buy.


Not if they needed their insurance to pay for it.
 
2014-07-17 10:34:12 AM
Three Republicans broke ranks with their party - Sens. Susan Collins of Maine, Lisa Murkowski of Alaska and Mark Kirk of Illinois

RINOS!  Mount up baggers we've got some tea to deliver!
 
2014-07-17 10:36:16 AM
Just another part of hat GOP outreach to female voters.
 
2014-07-17 10:36:52 AM

LarryDan43: Three Republicans broke ranks with their party - Sens. Susan Collins of Maine, Lisa Murkowski of Alaska and Mark Kirk of Illinois

RINOS!  Mount up baggers we've got some tea to deliver!


*climbs on hoveround*
 
2014-07-17 10:37:09 AM
Republicans called the bill a political stunt aimed at helping vulnerable Democratic incumbents in the elections.

How dare the Democrats propose bills that a majority of the electorate would favor!  Will they stop at nothing with their "stunts"?
 
2014-07-17 10:39:53 AM

WI241TH: The vote was 56-43 to move ahead on the measure, short of the 60 votes necessary to proceed.

Yeah, that makes sense


The way the media has just accepted the filibuster as standard politics is revolting. Not that long ago using it to block popular legislation would have resulted in taking a hit in the polls, now it's business as usual. And it's largely due to the media not calling them on it for fear of looking biased.
 
2014-07-17 10:40:20 AM
"Republicans called the bill a political stunt aimed at helping vulnerable Democratic incumbents in the elections."

"But Republicans said that the Democratic effort was merely a move to boost struggling incumbents"

"think they can score political points and create divisions where there aren't any by distorting the facts."


You mean ; Like everything the Republicans have done since 2008?

"both parties support a woman's right to make her own health care decisions."

For Republicans, only so long as that Womans choice agrees with the belief of her Employer - and how exactly do you disprove that someone believes something?
 
2014-07-17 10:40:46 AM

chimp_ninja: Republicans called the bill a political stunt aimed at helping vulnerable Democratic incumbents in the elections.

How dare the Democrats propose bills that a majority of the electorate would favor!  Will they stop at nothing with their "stunts"?


And also even if it was a stunt, they decided to take the bait anyway and do exactly what will help the Democrats most.
 
2014-07-17 10:40:46 AM
Republicans tell the Catholic Church to just let themselves into your vagina.
 
2014-07-17 10:40:59 AM
I hope everyone is enjoying our blossoming theocracy here in the US of A!
 
2014-07-17 10:42:18 AM

dookdookdook: Republicans called the bill a political stunt aimed at helping vulnerable Democratic incumbents in the elections.

Possibly, but you dumbshiats still played right into it, because you just can't help yourselves.


How is this a stunt?  This isn't something frivolous.  This matters to consituents and people have been organizing around it.  Is "scoring political points" with constituents by actually listening to them and doing what they ask a stunt now?
 
2014-07-17 10:43:44 AM

JoieD'Zen: F*ck them all. Politicians Businesses have no business in women's healthcare and reproductive choices. The men should STFU unless their own wife is involved.


Let's not forget what this is about - your boss preventing your doctor from making sound medical decisions, because of the boss' beliefs.

Politicians tried to make this clear in the ACA (the mandate), and tried to play fair by exempting religious nonprofits. I think it's safe to say that next time, they won't carve anything out for them.

// give them an inch, they take a 7' cross
// and then they borrow your hammer and NEVER return it...
 
2014-07-17 10:43:54 AM
"A woman's health care decision should be made with her doctor, with her family, with her faith, not by her employer with her employer's faith," Shaheen said in a Senate speech.

What decision is that? Her decision to have birth control provided as part of her health care coverage? Not really a decision, technically.
 
2014-07-17 10:44:09 AM

Xythero: Is "scoring political points" with constituents by actually listening to them and doing what they ask a stunt now?


You know who complains about their opponent running up the score? Losers. Losers complain when their opponent runs up the score.
 
2014-07-17 10:44:12 AM

someonelse: I hope everyone is enjoying our blossoming theocracy here in the US of A!


We wouldn't let them play in their sandbox anymore, so they brought their sandbox home.
 
2014-07-17 10:44:49 AM
Such BS from the left... NOTHING is free.. NOTHING.

Birth control should be available over the counter without prescription.. and the Republicans had that in their latest bill, and it was defeated.

FYI, More and more drugs are being available over the counter and not covered under insurance anymore...

Like the mantra of 'free' preventative care.. free is a load of crap, you still have to pay co-pays out the wazoo.

So would a woman prefer to pay a 30 copay for a doctors visit and then a 10-20 copay for her birth control pills or just go to CVS and pay $25-$30 for a months supply.  I think the answer is obvious.  Over the counter is cheaper for everyone involved.
 
2014-07-17 10:45:12 AM
Republicans junk must look like they stole it from a 14 year old.

Which they may just have.
 
2014-07-17 10:46:07 AM
Republicans called the bill a political stunt aimed at helping vulnerable Democratic incumbents in the elections.

This is a line that needs to be on every DNC ad that targets women voters.

The Republican Party of the United States cares more about electability then they do about the health of a woman's body.

Also since when is Jeanne Shaheen been in a 'competative' reflection contest? She's up like 50-43 against that carpetbagger Scott Brown.
 
2014-07-17 10:47:27 AM

Xythero: dookdookdook: Republicans called the bill a political stunt aimed at helping vulnerable Democratic incumbents in the elections.

Possibly, but you dumbshiats still played right into it, because you just can't help yourselves.

How is this a stunt?  This isn't something frivolous.  This matters to consituents and people have been organizing around it.  Is "scoring political points" with constituents by actually listening to them and doing what they ask a stunt now?


What do you expect them to say? "We think women are little better than cattle"? This is the best thing they can say to divert attention away from the fact that they're assholes, they know their base will believe them, no matter how big the lie.
 
2014-07-17 10:47:31 AM

dwrash: Such BS from the left... NOTHING is free.. NOTHING.

Birth control should be available over the counter without prescription.. and the Republicans had that in their latest bill, and it was defeated.

FYI, More and more drugs are being available over the counter and not covered under insurance anymore...

Like the mantra of 'free' preventative care.. free is a load of crap, you still have to pay co-pays out the wazoo.

So would a woman prefer to pay a 30 copay for a doctors visit and then a 10-20 copay for her birth control pills or just go to CVS and pay $25-$30 for a months supply.  I think the answer is obvious.  Over the counter is cheaper for everyone involved.


What's the over-the-counter cost of an IUD?
 
2014-07-17 10:50:28 AM

Karac: dwrash: Such BS from the left... NOTHING is free.. NOTHING.

Birth control should be available over the counter without prescription.. and the Republicans had that in their latest bill, and it was defeated.

FYI, More and more drugs are being available over the counter and not covered under insurance anymore...

Like the mantra of 'free' preventative care.. free is a load of crap, you still have to pay co-pays out the wazoo.

So would a woman prefer to pay a 30 copay for a doctors visit and then a 10-20 copay for her birth control pills or just go to CVS and pay $25-$30 for a months supply.  I think the answer is obvious.  Over the counter is cheaper for everyone involved.

What's the over-the-counter cost of an IUD?


Different issue which is not at stake here... and to be honest, an IUD is cost ineffective in the long run and due to all the problems with them are getting more and more expensive as time goes on due to law suits.  It also doesn't protect from other diseases that are costly to cure/maintain.

If we were serious about disease and birth control in this country, condoms would be pretty much the only thing the CDC should allow.
 
2014-07-17 10:51:08 AM

Karac: dwrash: Such BS from the left... NOTHING is free.. NOTHING.

Birth control should be available over the counter without prescription.. and the Republicans had that in their latest bill, and it was defeated.

FYI, More and more drugs are being available over the counter and not covered under insurance anymore...

Like the mantra of 'free' preventative care.. free is a load of crap, you still have to pay co-pays out the wazoo.

So would a woman prefer to pay a 30 copay for a doctors visit and then a 10-20 copay for her birth control pills or just go to CVS and pay $25-$30 for a months supply.  I think the answer is obvious.  Over the counter is cheaper for everyone involved.

What's the over-the-counter cost of an IUD?


And will the OTC IUD provide detailed instructions on inserting it? Surely it's as simple as putting in a tampon!
 
2014-07-17 10:52:20 AM
Wouldn't failing to provide contraceptive coverage actually raise premiums for everybody else?

You'd have to think that it's cheaper for an insurance company to pay for contraception than it is to pay for prenatal care / labor / delivery / hospital stay / maternity / newborn care.
 
2014-07-17 10:52:21 AM

dwrash: NOTHING is free


Except 20 types of birth control medications, as mandated by ACA. No co-pays, co-insurance, or other cost sharing agreements may be employed with birth control. It is literally free to the patient.
 
2014-07-17 10:53:23 AM

dwrash: Birth control should be available over the counter without prescription


really?  so women, who have no idea what their needs are medically, should just randomly pick some form of birth control pill that will do God knows what to their physical and mental health?  Birth control pills are not one size fits all.

Karac: What's the over-the-counter cost of an IUD?


yeah, just sit up on the counter and the pharmacist will put it in for you. or you can get a hand mirror and do it yourself.
 
2014-07-17 10:53:58 AM

dwrash: Such BS from the left... NOTHING is free.. NOTHING.

Birth control should be available over the counter without prescription.. and the Republicans had that in their latest bill, and it was defeated.

FYI, More and more drugs are being available over the counter and not covered under insurance anymore...

Like the mantra of 'free' preventative care.. free is a load of crap, you still have to pay co-pays out the wazoo.

So would a woman prefer to pay a 30 copay for a doctors visit and then a 10-20 copay for her birth control pills or just go to CVS and pay $25-$30 for a months supply.  I think the answer is obvious.  Over the counter is cheaper for everyone involved.


Correct. It isn't free because those women are paying for it through their insurance policies either individually or by virtue of it being part of a compensation package through their employer. The real argument should be are they required to pay more because Jesus.
 
2014-07-17 10:54:01 AM
GOP: "Women should be economically dependent on men."

All that sluttin' around on birth control undermines that goal.
 
2014-07-17 10:55:45 AM

someonelse: blossoming theocracy plutocracy

"

The mega-corporations have been running things for years.  We just don't show ourselves since people wouldn't understand...so we let them think they still have a voice"
William Edgars, Babylon 5 - The Exercise of Vital Powers

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2014-07-17 10:56:08 AM

dwrash: Such BS from the left... NOTHING is free.. NOTHING.

Birth control should be available over the counter without prescription.. and the Republicans had that in their latest bill, and it was defeated.

FYI, More and more drugs are being available over the counter and not covered under insurance anymore...

Like the mantra of 'free' preventative care.. free is a load of crap, you still have to pay co-pays out the wazoo.

So would a woman prefer to pay a 30 copay for a doctors visit and then a 10-20 copay for her birth control pills or just go to CVS and pay $25-$30 for a months supply.  I think the answer is obvious.  Over the counter is cheaper for everyone involved.


Please link me to the bill that republicans proposed making birth control available over the counter that was defeated, I would like to read it.
 
2014-07-17 10:56:55 AM

dwrash: Karac: dwrash: Such BS from the left... NOTHING is free.. NOTHING.

Birth control should be available over the counter without prescription.. and the Republicans had that in their latest bill, and it was defeated.

FYI, More and more drugs are being available over the counter and not covered under insurance anymore...

Like the mantra of 'free' preventative care.. free is a load of crap, you still have to pay co-pays out the wazoo.

So would a woman prefer to pay a 30 copay for a doctors visit and then a 10-20 copay for her birth control pills or just go to CVS and pay $25-$30 for a months supply.  I think the answer is obvious.  Over the counter is cheaper for everyone involved.

What's the over-the-counter cost of an IUD?

Different issue which is not at stake here... and to be honest, an IUD is cost ineffective in the long run and due to all the problems with them are getting more and more expensive as time goes on due to law suits.  It also doesn't protect from other diseases that are costly to cure/maintain.

If we were serious about disease and birth control in this country, condoms would be pretty much the only thing the CDC should allow.


How is the contraception that Hobby Lobby specifically objected to a different issue which is not at stake in a conversation about the contraception that Hobby Lobby objected to?
 
2014-07-17 10:57:33 AM

The_Six_Fingered_Man: dwrash: NOTHING is free

Except 20 types of birth control medications, as mandated by ACA. No co-pays, co-insurance, or other cost sharing agreements may be employed with birth control. It is literally free to the patient.


It's free to the patient and a net gain to the insurance provider and the people who pay for the policies because birth control is orders of magnitude cheaper than a pregnancy.
 
2014-07-17 10:59:23 AM

ManateeGag: dwrash: Birth control should be available over the counter without prescription

really?  so women, who have no idea what their needs are medically, should just randomly pick some form of birth control pill that will do God knows what to their physical and mental health?  Birth control pills are not one size fits all.

Karac: What's the over-the-counter cost of an IUD?

yeah, just sit up on the counter and the pharmacist will put it in for you. or you can get a hand mirror and do it yourself.


This isn't my idea.. its the idea of the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists.. you know, the doctors that prescribe them?

https://www.acog.org/Resources-And-Publications/Committee-Opinions/C om mittee-on-Gynecologic-Practice/Over-the-Counter-Access-to-Oral-Contrac eptives
 
2014-07-17 11:00:19 AM

chimp_ninja: Republicans called the bill a political stunt aimed at helping vulnerable Democratic incumbents in the elections.

How dare the Democrats propose bills that a majority of the electorate would favor!  Will they stop at nothing with their "stunts"?


See also: raising the minimum wage and expanding background checks for gun purchases.
 
2014-07-17 11:00:39 AM

Doc Daneeka: Wouldn't failing to provide contraceptive coverage actually raise premiums for everybody else?

You'd have to think that it's cheaper for an insurance company to pay for contraception than it is to pay for prenatal care / labor / delivery / hospital stay / maternity / newborn care.


It blows my mind that a group of people that support and value the ideal of "preemption" for their wars, don't understand that paying for a pill preempts all that other 'cost' you outlay in your post.
 
2014-07-17 11:00:42 AM

dwrash: ManateeGag: dwrash: Birth control should be available over the counter without prescription

really?  so women, who have no idea what their needs are medically, should just randomly pick some form of birth control pill that will do God knows what to their physical and mental health?  Birth control pills are not one size fits all.

Karac: What's the over-the-counter cost of an IUD?

yeah, just sit up on the counter and the pharmacist will put it in for you. or you can get a hand mirror and do it yourself.

This isn't my idea.. its the idea of the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists.. you know, the doctors that prescribe them?

https://www.acog.org/Resources-And-Publications/Committee-Opinions/C om mittee-on-Gynecologic-Practice/Over-the-Counter-Access-to-Oral-Contrac eptives


You are aware that oral contraceptives and IUDs are two completely separate things, right?
 
2014-07-17 11:00:56 AM
How come Welfare Queens pushing out babies how come?
 
2014-07-17 11:02:08 AM

dwrash: ManateeGag: dwrash: Birth control should be available over the counter without prescription

really?  so women, who have no idea what their needs are medically, should just randomly pick some form of birth control pill that will do God knows what to their physical and mental health?  Birth control pills are not one size fits all.

Karac: What's the over-the-counter cost of an IUD?

yeah, just sit up on the counter and the pharmacist will put it in for you. or you can get a hand mirror and do it yourself.

This isn't my idea.. its the idea of the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists.. you know, the doctors that prescribe them?

https://www.acog.org/Resources-And-Publications/Committee-Opinions/C om mittee-on-Gynecologic-Practice/Over-the-Counter-Access-to-Oral-Contrac eptives


i don't care whose idea it is.  it's retarded.
 
2014-07-17 11:02:32 AM

fiddlehead: dwrash: ManateeGag: dwrash: Birth control should be available over the counter without prescription

really?  so women, who have no idea what their needs are medically, should just randomly pick some form of birth control pill that will do God knows what to their physical and mental health?  Birth control pills are not one size fits all.

Karac: What's the over-the-counter cost of an IUD?

yeah, just sit up on the counter and the pharmacist will put it in for you. or you can get a hand mirror and do it yourself.

This isn't my idea.. its the idea of the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists.. you know, the doctors that prescribe them?

https://www.acog.org/Resources-And-Publications/Committee-Opinions/C om mittee-on-Gynecologic-Practice/Over-the-Counter-Access-to-Oral-Contrac eptives

You are aware that oral contraceptives and IUDs are two completely separate things, right?


Absolutely, and my response was to the first section of the quoted post.. and addressed her assertion that you should have to go to a doctor to get a prescription for the pill... the doctors disagree with his/her opinion.
 
2014-07-17 11:02:43 AM

The Homer Tax: dwrash: Such BS from the left... NOTHING is free.. NOTHING.

Birth control should be available over the counter without prescription.. and the Republicans had that in their latest bill, and it was defeated.

FYI, More and more drugs are being available over the counter and not covered under insurance anymore...

Like the mantra of 'free' preventative care.. free is a load of crap, you still have to pay co-pays out the wazoo.

So would a woman prefer to pay a 30 copay for a doctors visit and then a 10-20 copay for her birth control pills or just go to CVS and pay $25-$30 for a months supply.  I think the answer is obvious.  Over the counter is cheaper for everyone involved.

Please link me to the bill that republicans proposed making birth control available over the counter that was defeated, I would like to read it.


It's the one from yesterdays thread.  The bill that Republicans themselves say is not meant to change anything and is meant merely as a political point.  It's got a bit tacked onto the end that says "The Preserving Religious Freedom and a Woman's Access to Contraception Act ... requests that the Food and Drug Administration study whether prescription contraceptives could be made available safely to adults without a prescription "

So no, drwash is full of shiat.  Their bill wouldn't have made birth control pills over-the-counter.
 
2014-07-17 11:02:57 AM

dwrash: This isn't my idea.. its the idea of the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists.. you know, the doctors that prescribe them?


The point  ManateeGag was making is that there are many kinds of birth control which might be chosen for different reasons. For example, if you have seizures, many anti-convulsants make hormonal birth control ineffective. Even without that, many people have negative reactions to hormonal birth control.

As a general rule, I think there's a strong argument to making it OTC, but that doesn't solve the "paying for birth control" problem. It just covers the baseline case. We still need to address the edge cases.
 
2014-07-17 11:03:35 AM
I'm againt OTC birth control pills due to my own experiences, but keep trying that argument. I don't think you guys have any idea how invasive it is to get that prescription. Or how expensive it is out of pocket. But keep insisting on it not being covered by insurance, won't backfire on you at all.
 
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