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2014-07-17 07:33:39 AM
I watched this last night.  Amazing speech.  He seems like an awesome guy.
 
2014-07-17 08:43:11 AM
It's a shame he'll be run out of the league by the bigoted owners and coaches
 
2014-07-17 08:44:13 AM

Lost Thought 00: It's a shame he'll be run out of the league by the bigoted owners and coaches

because he's a marginal player with average skills.  ftfy.
 
2014-07-17 08:48:14 AM
Amazing speech. Too bad I'm sure real Murica will ignore that and focus on him kissing his boyfriend when he got up to go on the stage.


/THINK ABOUT THE CHILDREN!!!+
 
2014-07-17 08:52:02 AM

Lt. Cheese Weasel: Lost Thought 00: It's a shame he'll be run out of the league by the bigoted owners and coaches because he's a marginal player with average skills.  ftfy.


Yes, because all 32 teams are overflowing with superstars
 
2014-07-17 08:53:44 AM

Lost Thought 00: Yes, because all 32 teams are overflowing with superstars


You know what owners and coaches care about most?  Money, then winning.  You could have Peyton Manning sucking someone's cock in the locker room and an owner wouldn't care if he could get them back to the Superb Owl.
 
2014-07-17 08:54:33 AM
I wish this hadnt happened at the ESPYs because the ESPYs are complete shiat.
 
2014-07-17 08:55:29 AM

eagles95: Amazing speech. Too bad I'm sure real Murica will ignore that and focus on him kissing his boyfriend when he got up to go on the stage.


/THINK ABOUT THE CHILDREN!!!+


It helps if you don't start it...

Great speech. Wish him all the best, and really hope he does well.
 
2014-07-17 08:59:04 AM

TonnageVT: eagles95: Amazing speech. Too bad I'm sure real Murica will ignore that and focus on him kissing his boyfriend when he got up to go on the stage.


/THINK ABOUT THE CHILDREN!!!+

It helps if you don't start it...

Great speech. Wish him all the best, and really hope he does well.


Along with the ESPYs, I think "Murica/Merica" must be destroyed.
 
2014-07-17 09:09:27 AM
AAA+
 
2014-07-17 09:09:33 AM

Gunny Highway: I wish this hadnt happened at the ESPYs because the ESPYs are complete shiat.


I'm not a big fan of the ESPYs either, but his and Stuart Scott's speeches were amazing.
 
2014-07-17 09:11:22 AM
Nice speech, but I really think Kobe Bryant should have won this award. He has put up with more hardship than anyone this year and is bravely fighting his way back every single day. Maybe not this year, but next year when he comes back and dominates again and shows the world what the human spirit is truly capable of, he will win this award.
 
2014-07-17 09:15:23 AM

Lt. Cheese Weasel: because he's a marginal player with average skills.


He's far above an average player. You don't get to be SEC DPOY by being average.

Sam's problem is that he's 6'2", 261, with a 4.91 40. He's too small to be a DE, and too slow to play OLB.

Pete Carroll's motto with the Seahawks seems to be "There's no such thing as too young, too big, or too fast." Of those 3, Sam's just young. I'm one of the biggest supporters of gay rights as you'll ever meet, and Sam's going to be lucky if he plays two years on special teams. I can find a ton of guys with better speed to keep contain on punt coverage.
 
2014-07-17 09:21:14 AM

KobeJeter: Nice speech


I absolutely HATE "character" profiles.

You really don't have anything better to do with your time?

Plank.
 
2014-07-17 09:23:23 AM

Gonz: KobeJeter: Nice speech

I absolutely HATE "character" profiles.

You really don't have anything better to do with your time?

Plank.


I like that soccer ref guy.  That one always works.
 
2014-07-17 09:24:57 AM

Gonz: KobeJeter: Nice speech

I absolutely HATE "character" profiles.

You really don't have anything better to do with your time?

Plank.


And the LA Kings are the front runner hockey team?  I would go with the Redwings.
 
2014-07-17 09:34:42 AM

Gonz: Lt. Cheese Weasel: because he's a marginal player with average skills.

He's far above an average player. You don't get to be SEC DPOY by being average.

Sam's problem is that he's 6'2", 261, with a 4.91 40. He's too small to be a DE, and too slow to play OLB.

Pete Carroll's motto with the Seahawks seems to be "There's no such thing as too young, too big, or too fast." Of those 3, Sam's just young. I'm one of the biggest supporters of gay rights as you'll ever meet, and Sam's going to be lucky if he plays two years on special teams. I can find a ton of guys with better speed to keep contain on punt coverage.


One of the "interesting" things I noticed after the draft with Michael Sam was what my team said afterwards about him - that they were very interested in signing him if he went undrafted.

He was projected as a mid-round player before the draft (supposedly - not that I really pay much attention to Kiper et al.) and I wonder how many teams were playing a game of chicken with each other - all assuming no other team would draft him (due to fear of the media circus, latent homophobia, whatever). It's possible all the teams assumed the OTHER teams were bigots, and could snag a mid-level draft talent at an undrafted rate.
 
2014-07-17 09:35:04 AM

Gonz: Lt. Cheese Weasel: because he's a marginal player with average skills.

He's far above an average player. You don't get to be SEC DPOY by being average.

Sam's problem is that he's 6'2", 261, with a 4.91 40. He's too small to be a DE, and too slow to play OLB.

Pete Carroll's motto with the Seahawks seems to be "There's no such thing as too young, too big, or too fast." Of those 3, Sam's just young. I'm one of the biggest supporters of gay rights as you'll ever meet, and Sam's going to be lucky if he plays two years on special teams. I can find a ton of guys with better speed to keep contain on punt coverage.


Sam is going to be a package guy (stop that, I hear you all snickering).  If Waufle could turn that mid-2000s Giants line into a tour de force, I'm sure he can develop Sam enough to be a 10-20 plays/game 3-4 OLB.  Gregg Williams is a base 4-3 DC, but he also likes to rotate fronts; we'll likely see a good bit of 3-4 or 3-3 nickel frontage over the course of the season, and that's where Sam has potential to contribute.
 
2014-07-17 09:38:22 AM

Lost Thought 00: It's a shame he'll be run out of the league by the bigoted owners and coaches


It's funny that people actually believe that.
 
2014-07-17 09:40:40 AM

mjbok: Lost Thought 00: Yes, because all 32 teams are overflowing with superstars

You know what owners and coaches care about most?  Money, then winning.  You could have Peyton Manning sucking someone's cock in the locker room and an owner wouldn't care if he could get them back to the Superb Owl.



drawception.com
 
2014-07-17 09:45:31 AM
I think his speech was really inspiring and will hopefully help kiddos that are struggling with their identities.
 
2014-07-17 09:58:28 AM

Tiberius Gracchus: Gonz: Lt. Cheese Weasel: because he's a marginal player with average skills.

He's far above an average player. You don't get to be SEC DPOY by being average.

Sam's problem is that he's 6'2", 261, with a 4.91 40. He's too small to be a DE, and too slow to play OLB.

Pete Carroll's motto with the Seahawks seems to be "There's no such thing as too young, too big, or too fast." Of those 3, Sam's just young. I'm one of the biggest supporters of gay rights as you'll ever meet, and Sam's going to be lucky if he plays two years on special teams. I can find a ton of guys with better speed to keep contain on punt coverage.

One of the "interesting" things I noticed after the draft with Michael Sam was what my team said afterwards about him - that they were very interested in signing him if he went undrafted.

He was projected as a mid-round player before the draft (supposedly - not that I really pay much attention to Kiper et al.) and I wonder how many teams were playing a game of chicken with each other - all assuming no other team would draft him (due to fear of the media circus, latent homophobia, whatever). It's possible all the teams assumed the OTHER teams were bigots, and could snag a mid-level draft talent at an undrafted rate.


All the stuff I read about him lead me to believe that Sam will not make it in the NFL (most experts thought he would be un-drafted).. and that his draft is nothing more than a publicity stunt.  And its a shame because the team that drafted him is going to be very hard pressed to cut him when they reduce their rosters and reverse discrimination could come into play.
 
2014-07-17 09:58:48 AM
Way to push the gay agenda, ESPN.

What happened to your womanizing ways?
 
2014-07-17 10:01:25 AM

Gunny Highway: Gonz: KobeJeter: Nice speech

I absolutely HATE "character" profiles.

You really don't have anything better to do with your time?

Plank.

And the LA Kings are the front runner hockey team?  I would go with the Redwings Penguins.


Penguins. The answer is always the Penguins.
 
2014-07-17 10:07:44 AM

UNC_Samurai: Gregg Williams is a base 4-3 DC, but he also likes to rotate fronts;


Oh, crap, I forgot Williams and Fisher were back together. OK, I still stand by what I said, but will happily eat my words if I'm wrong. Williams is a DAMN good DC. If there's anybody in the league who can maximize the effect of a dude, it's him.

//Also, the potential for the funniest bounty ever.
 
2014-07-17 10:10:21 AM

mjbok:  You could have Peyton Manning sucking someone's cock in the locker room and an owner wouldn't care if he could get them back to the Superb Owl.

www.lowbird.com

 
2014-07-17 10:18:36 AM

dwrash: All the stuff I read about him lead me to believe that Sam will not make it in the NFL (most experts thought he would be un-drafted).. and that his draft is nothing more than a publicity stunt.  And its a shame because the team that drafted him is going to be very hard pressed to cut him when they reduce their rosters and reverse discrimination could come into play.


The funny thing was that wasn't the narrative before he came out as gay.  It was that he was a player that produced more than his physical ability, and he was probably a good backup in the NFL.  I don't know if his draft stock dropped simply because he was gay, or because he got a closer look because he was gay and teams noticed more flaws, but he definitely dropped pretty quickly on draft boards after the announcement.
 
2014-07-17 10:21:28 AM

sign_of_Zeta: I don't know if his draft stock dropped simply because he was gay, or because he got a closer look because he was gay and teams noticed more flaws, but he definitely dropped pretty quickly on draft boards after the announcement.


It's because he performed poorly at the rookie combine.
 
2014-07-17 10:22:53 AM
More importantly, who was that chick onstage with that 9er qb guy?
 
2014-07-17 10:23:36 AM

WhiskeySticks: sign_of_Zeta: I don't know if his draft stock dropped simply because he was gay, or because he got a closer look because he was gay and teams noticed more flaws, but he definitely dropped pretty quickly on draft boards after the announcement.

It's because he performed poorly at the rookie combine.


No, the drop on most boards happened well before that.  I am one of those guys that follows the draft year round, and it happened within a week of the announcement.  The combine just seemed to justify the views.  Again, it very easily could be teams just took a harder look at him because of the news, but it seemed to be a reaction to the announcement.
 
2014-07-17 10:23:43 AM
Should I watch the vid first before I gripe about how we throw 'HERO' around so nonchalantly?
 
2014-07-17 10:26:39 AM

sign_of_Zeta: WhiskeySticks: sign_of_Zeta: I don't know if his draft stock dropped simply because he was gay, or because he got a closer look because he was gay and teams noticed more flaws, but he definitely dropped pretty quickly on draft boards after the announcement.

It's because he performed poorly at the rookie combine.

No, the drop on most boards happened well before that.  I am one of those guys that follows the draft year round, and it happened within a week of the announcement.  The combine just seemed to justify the views.  Again, it very easily could be teams just took a harder look at him because of the news, but it seemed to be a reaction to the announcement.


Maybe he was distracted by all that hot head of the class ass in one place.
 
2014-07-17 10:32:41 AM

Lt. Cheese Weasel: Lost Thought 00: It's a shame he'll be run out of the league by the bigoted owners and coaches because he's a marginal player with average skills.  ftfy.


I've been saying that for weeks.  Anyone who watches the NFL and follows the draft knows that he either needs to get faster or he's going to get cut.

He seems like a great guy and I wish him all the best.  But the NFL is the peak of competition.  You gotta produce or you get shown the door.  The average career of an NFL player is 3.3 years
 
2014-07-17 10:36:02 AM

sign_of_Zeta: It was that he was a player that produced more than his physical ability


I need a ruling from the judges here, and it's a two-parter:

1. Is this the same as calling Sam a "high-motor" guy?
2. If so, would that be the first case of the term being applied to a non-white player?
 
2014-07-17 10:38:38 AM
I honestly hope he does well and is a great player. My fear is he will suck and eventually leave the league. He will be judged as having sucked because he was gay and out of the closet and not because he sucked as a player.

But this is baby steps. Someone has to start the ball rolling.
 
2014-07-17 10:41:20 AM

Gonz: KobeJeter: Nice speech

I absolutely HATE "character" profiles.

You really don't have anything better to do with your time?

Plank.


Really. Signing up for Fark... for that?

Account created: 2014-07-16 13:43:51 (20 hours ago)

Weird.
 
2014-07-17 10:56:05 AM

Nadie_AZ: I honestly hope he does well and is a great player. My fear is he will suck and eventually leave the league. He will be judged as having sucked because he was gay and out of the closet and not because he sucked as a player.

But this is baby steps. Someone has to start the ball rolling.


even if he wasn't gay, he'd be judged as being on a loaded defense

his main role in college was an edge pass rusher which they've already got 2 extremely talented players in... BUT, depth in defense is not the same as depth in offense where somebody might never get a chance to contribute - an extra pass rusher on blitzes would work really well - after all the blitz doesn't mean every player gets to the QB, just that enough bodies are there to disrupt so somebody does
 
2014-07-17 10:57:29 AM
He isn't NFL caliber plain and simple, better athletes have been cut or undrafted. There is a reason he didn't get drafted higher and my suspicion is the only reason he got drafted where he did was the publicity.

The only reason he would make the team if he did is because the NFL has an amazing public relations department that would sell the shiat out of this guy.
 
2014-07-17 11:01:44 AM

Nadie_AZ: I honestly hope he does well and is a great player. My fear is he will suck and eventually leave the league. He will be judged as having sucked because he was gay and out of the closet and not because he sucked as a player.

But this is baby steps. Someone has to start the ball rolling.


Wrong...wrong...wrong he will not be judged as a sucky player for being gay. He isnt a sucky player at all. If you know anything about the NFL at all you would realize that he is a mid tier player who doesnt have the talent to be on a roster.

Being gay has nothing to do with this except media hype smoke and mirrors. It's all bullshiat publicity.  Taking it in the ass isnt going to make him any better or worse player and it really should have nothing to do with anything football related.
 
2014-07-17 11:16:17 AM

mentallo69: he is a mid tier player who doesnt have the talent to be on a roster.


An exercise in self-contradictory NFL PR, I see
 
2014-07-17 11:25:38 AM
Rams season ticket holder here.

I guess it's a good thing he got drafted by a lower profile, smaller market, flyover country team. Though training camp is going to be interesting as the number of media might outnumber fans.
 
2014-07-17 11:30:03 AM

WhiskeySticks: Way to push the gay agenda, ESPN.

What happened to your womanizing ways?


They told Mike Tirico to dial it back.
 
2014-07-17 11:34:51 AM

John Buck 41: WhiskeySticks: Way to push the gay agenda, ESPN.

What happened to your womanizing ways?

They told Mike Tirico to dial it back.


i.ytimg.com
 
2014-07-17 11:35:32 AM

mentallo69: .

If he is gay, no I really don't...Whether he is gay or not should have zero impact on how he performs to make the team. Everything I wrote is the truth and the only reason we are even discussing this is because the media can't leave shiat alone.

If the guy makes the team it should be solely on his skills and his sexual orientation should not matter.  Like I said, many better players than him have been undrafted.


You sound...concerned.
 
2014-07-17 12:19:40 PM
Did someone write it for him?

I'm 100% for equal rights, and I hope he goes just as far as his abilities take him.  But, every time I've heard him talk it sounded like he'd recently been hit in the head with a shovel.

/didn't watch the video
//I'm taking you guys' word that the speech was good.
 
2014-07-17 12:26:47 PM
There are some lovely people in this thread.
 
2014-07-17 12:35:07 PM

Gonz: sign_of_Zeta: It was that he was a player that produced more than his physical ability

I need a ruling from the judges here, and it's a two-parter:

1. Is this the same as calling Sam a "high-motor" guy?
2. If so, would that be the first case of the term being applied to a non-white player?


At least they didn't call him "scrappy".
 
2014-07-17 12:50:31 PM
I think of the situation this way.  He was openly gay before the draft.  He knew the shiatstorm that was going to come his way and he's dealt with it in a very positive way.  He seems like a good guy and he's a talented football player (against college offenses, anyhow).

He'll probably get a chance to play a significant number of downs for a rookie this year, he's too high profile not too.  By the end of this year, we'll know if his speed or size is too problematic.  If he plays poorly and gets let go, fine.  If he plays well and gets let go, that's something for discussion at that time.  If he either plays poorly or well and has a job next year, I don't think anyone's going to get bent out of shape about that.

For now, it's a good human interest story and I'll be interested to see what he's able to do on the field in the coming season.
 
2014-07-17 12:59:32 PM

Mercutio74: He'll probably get a chance to play a significant number of downs for a rookie this year, he's too high profile not too.  By the end of this year, we'll know if his speed or size is too problematic.  If he plays poorly and gets let go, fine.  If he plays well and gets let go, that's something for discussion at that time.  If he either plays poorly or well and has a job next year, I don't think anyone's going to get bent out of shape about that.


The Rams think they're building a contender in the NFC West, Jeff Fisher isn't going to stake his job on Michael Sam if he's not good enough to get the job done.  He'll have his chance in preseason to prove himself, but his profile won't get him on the field when they start keeping score for real.
 
2014-07-17 01:03:56 PM
I wish him the best, but his lack of speed will likely limit his career. Not that those with an agenda or narrative to appease will care.
 
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