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(Blabbermouth)   Blues legend Johnny Winter dead at 70. Good night white man   (blabbermouth.net) divider line 85
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2014-07-17 12:31:35 PM  

lindalouwho: forgotmydamnusername: Satanic_Hamster: Damn shame.  I know he's been in bad health for ten years now but still a sad day.

One of my favorite songs by him:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1u9y7pPjs3k

Yeah, I'm puzzled by all the remarks about how he looked fine above. As far as I could tell, for the last ten years, he was looking on his way out. My thought was, "This guy's still out there touring? Wow! Tough man!"

He wasn't well and he was a tough man. 8-10years ago he played a benefit blues fest here - he was so sick that he had his leather jacket zipped up, and we had to get a heater to put onstage in front of him. Must have been flu chills because I kid you not - this was outdoors in July.


He was kicking methadone.
 
2014-07-17 12:39:15 PM  

forgotmydamnusername: Yeah, I'm puzzled by all the remarks about how he looked fine above. As far as I could tell, for the last ten years, he was looking on his way out. My thought was, "This guy's still out there touring? Wow! Tough man!"


Any time I've seen him in the last ten years he's looked bad.  Twice they practically had to wheel him out in a wheel chair.  Still, he could still play and sing .
 
2014-07-17 12:46:21 PM  

TommyymmoT: lindalouwho: forgotmydamnusername: Satanic_Hamster: Damn shame.  I know he's been in bad health for ten years now but still a sad day.

One of my favorite songs by him:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1u9y7pPjs3k

Yeah, I'm puzzled by all the remarks about how he looked fine above. As far as I could tell, for the last ten years, he was looking on his way out. My thought was, "This guy's still out there touring? Wow! Tough man!"

He wasn't well and he was a tough man. 8-10years ago he played a benefit blues fest here - he was so sick that he had his leather jacket zipped up, and we had to get a heater to put onstage in front of him. Must have been flu chills because I kid you not - this was outdoors in July.

He was kicking methadone.


Ah, now it makes more sense. It was scary how bad he looked but he could still play that guitar just like ringin' a bell ;-)
 
2014-07-17 12:51:53 PM  
Mike Bloomfield said JW was the best white blues guitarist he'd ever heard - when Johnny was 16

Pretty big compliment coming from Bloomers
 
2014-07-17 01:03:17 PM  
I've been trying to learn "Back to Dallas" for five years with no luck at all. That man played a mean guitar.

:-(
 
2014-07-17 01:13:34 PM  
Aw man. There goes another era of music. I loved it when he was with Muddy Waters for his big comeback albums - specifically Hard Again. That was a Who's Who of blues at the time, with James Cotton on harp and Pinetop Perkins on piano. Looks like I'll be cranking that one up today.
 
2014-07-17 01:48:29 PM  
Well, Damn.
 
2014-07-17 03:23:50 PM  
OH, and I loved him in Defiance.
 
2014-07-17 03:49:07 PM  
RIP Sir. Second Winter was the soundtrack of highschool for me. Damn shame.
 
2014-07-17 04:06:02 PM  

guestguy: [img.fark.net image 850x511]

Goddamnitsomuch...


Dude, go see Delbert McClinton.  He puts on a GREAT show.
 
2014-07-17 04:08:55 PM  
Yeah the old guy was physically pretty deteriorated from heavy drug abuse in the 80s and 90s. He got a new manager, who I think was his rhythm guitarist for a time, and that guy got Johnny cleaned up and back on the road. Playing live is what kept Johnny going all these years. He wouldn't have made it this far had those lifestyle changes not been made. One thing's for sure though is that he did not lose his chops, even if he was frail in his old age.

RIP Johnny, you were one of the greats.
 
2014-07-17 04:33:23 PM  
I was supposed to see him a few months ago.My buddy said it might be the last time you see him.
I am sad.
 
2014-07-17 04:40:43 PM  
saw him at the nick in b'ham in early 80's during the guitar slinger tour. if anyone has ever been to the nick you can imagine how awesome that was. also, a friend had brought albums to get autographed, but was turned away by a roadie. the roadie noticed an eraserhead button i had on and said he would get the albums signed for my friend if i gave him the button. the deal was made. my friend got his albums signed and my drunk ass went to waffle house for two hours and then to work. being young was so great.
 
2014-07-17 04:58:14 PM  
I started working with him in the 80s, and he never seemed all that healthy,
He was about as fit as a Holocaust survivor even back then.

C(true)SB time:

The main reason that he remained in such poor health for so long, was because of his then manager, and consummate douche bag Teddy Slatus.

Teddy ripped Johnny off BIG TIME, for decades.
Johnny could have retired 20 years ago but now he was now being forced back to work to make up for all the lost time, and missing money.

Teddy read the riot act to his road managers, band, and crew (including me,  FOH) to not say a damned thing about his substance abuse, because it would hurt him, but in fact, it was because it made Teddy money.

At one point (yes, I was there) Teddy spoke to one of Johnny's "doctors" and said, and I quote "what are you doing? Johnny is starting to ask questions".

Johnny endured the next 20 years addicted to various substances wanting to quit, but was convinced by Teddy that everything was fine, that drugs were part of the creative process, it would be a scandal (what a laugh), and you don't have time for that (rehab, which Johnny requested).

Johnny and Edgar (as well as a host of others) had the same management and the crews were almost interchangeable.
I would tour with Edgar for 6 months or so at a whack no problem, but with Johnny the tour only lasted 28 days or so because Johnny had to be back in NYC to get his next month's supply ofmethadone.

They referred to it as "Johnny's period".

Typical conversation when the two crews met:

So, how's the blues tour going?
Great, very depressing.
How's that 14 minute version of Frankenstein going for ya?
Well it gives me time to pre-pack.

So how long are you out for?
Well, you know, until it's time for his period.
And you?
Been out for 3, 4 to go with a month off, then it's passport time for 2 months.

..to be continued
 
2014-07-17 07:06:31 PM  
 
2014-07-17 07:32:58 PM  
Someone already said it above, but this is truly one of JW's greatest pieces of work. I think it's one of the best rock albums ever recorded. Johnny plays on it and produced it.
www.jazz.com
 
2014-07-17 08:50:59 PM  

TommyymmoT: Damn shame considering that his next album featuring Eric Clapton, Billy Gibbons, Joe Perry, Leslie West, and Joe Bonamassa will probably be the one that finally wins him the Grammy.


I read on Brian Setzer's FB page this morning that he is on it also. Damn.
Saw him last fall at the Roots N Blues fest in Columbia, Mo. Just like 10 or so years before, they helped him onstage & he sat during the whole performance. He still wailed on the geetar like nobody's business.
 
2014-07-17 09:55:28 PM  
What better tribute to the man than this photo. When Jimi says, I'll take the bass, you take the lead." You know you are a guitar player.
img.fark.net
 
2014-07-17 11:13:56 PM  
Hadn't seen Winter live in a good many years. But like a lot of great artists, he played hard to play hard. RIP.
 
2014-07-17 11:14:21 PM  
Some great stories in this thread I skimmed and will revisit later. My JW memory. The first time I ate a spiked watermelon. JW's Boney Maroney was on the radio. On my way to Day on the Green in Oakland, CA. Summer between 8th and 9th grade. My oldest sister wanted to go. Mom made her take me and middle sister after much begging. She took good care of us, but I had a blast. So, back to the point, whenever I taste cool, delicious watermelon, I think of Johnny Winter.
 
2014-07-17 11:26:44 PM  

freetomato: Some great stories in this thread I skimmed and will revisit later. My JW memory. The first time I ate a spiked watermelon. JW's Boney Maroney was on the radio. On my way to Day on the Green in Oakland, CA. Summer between 8th and 9th grade. My oldest sister wanted to go. Mom made her take me and middle sister after much begging. She took good care of us, but I had a blast. So, back to the point, whenever I taste cool, delicious watermelon, I think of Johnny Winter.


And for what it's worth, because I'm the only one here now, I'll tell you the lineup. Loverboy, Foreigner, Pat Travers, Ozzy Osbourne, Heart, and Blue Oyster Cult in that order.
(Half hour pause)

Well. Just looked. It was a year later than I thought. 1981, not 1980.

Humph. My memories remain the same, dammit!
 
2014-07-18 07:00:43 AM  
Best. Dylan. Cover. EVAR

/know he was about more.

still...this is my go-to winter track.

/r.i.p. sir.
//thanks for what you left behind.
 
2014-07-18 01:02:07 PM  
Saw him years ago in DC at Carter-Baron, I think. I won 2 tix from WHFS and had only heard of him from
Hoochie Coo and Highway 61... His show was amazing, 2 1/2 hours of straight ahead rock n roll and blue that would melt your soul. One hell of a guitar player....
 
2014-07-18 01:58:51 PM  

REO-Weedwagon: Someone already said it above, but this is truly one of JW's greatest pieces of work. I think it's one of the best rock albums ever recorded. Johnny plays on it and produced it.
[www.jazz.com image 500x500]


Another good work of his:
pixhst.com

But I'll always be partial to this:
userserve-ak.last.fm
 
2014-07-18 02:32:39 PM  
I just shelled out several hundred bucks for a bunch of shows months and months from now, so this news is distressing reminder.

Some of the artists are in the safe zone - over 27, under 60 - but the others are getting a bit long in the tooth.

Dear Dr. John, Taj Mahal and Laurie Anderson - please do not die in the next twelve months. Thank you.
 
2014-07-18 03:27:07 PM  

Meatybrain: I just shelled out several hundred bucks for a bunch of shows months and months from now, so this news is distressing reminder.

Some of the artists are in the safe zone - over 27, under 60 - but the others are getting a bit long in the tooth.

Dear Dr. John, Taj Mahal and Laurie Anderson - please do not die in the next twelve months. Thank you.


oh i'd love to see dr john!
 
2014-07-18 03:48:20 PM  

Meatybrain: I just shelled out several hundred bucks for a bunch of shows months and months from now, so this news is distressing reminder.

Some of the artists are in the safe zone - over 27, under 60 - but the others are getting a bit long in the tooth.

Dear Dr. John, Taj Mahal and Laurie Anderson - please do not die in the next twelve months. Thank you.


I'm seeing Dr.John for the 6th or 7th time a week from Saturday at our Blues Fest. Yay! You're gonna love him. Like most Fests these days, more genres than theone specified will be there.

pghblues.com

If you're lucky enough to have him play 2 gigs in one night in your town, one of them as The Night Tripper, for God's sake buy tickets for both if you can. No way you'll regret it.
 
2014-07-18 04:40:57 PM  

lindalouwho: Meatybrain: I just shelled out several hundred bucks for a bunch of shows months and months from now, so this news is distressing reminder.

Some of the artists are in the safe zone - over 27, under 60 - but the others are getting a bit long in the tooth.

Dear Dr. John, Taj Mahal and Laurie Anderson - please do not die in the next twelve months. Thank you.

I'm seeing Dr.John for the 6th or 7th time a week from Saturday at our Blues Fest. Yay! You're gonna love him. Like most Fests these days, more genres than theone specified will be there.

pghblues.com

If you're lucky enough to have him play 2 gigs in one night in your town, one of them as The Night Tripper, for God's sake buy tickets for both if you can. No way you'll regret it.


Single show, SFJazz Center members ONLY (Dr. John is jazz? Blacksmith Lady Bazoo is jazz? Laurie Anderson is - well, who the hell knows what Laurie Anderson is...) and it sold out almost immediately.

I will keep an eye peeled for this Nite Tripper, though.
 
2014-07-18 05:18:51 PM  

Meatybrain: lindalouwho: Meatybrain: I just shelled out several hundred bucks for a bunch of shows months and months from now, so this news is distressing reminder.

Some of the artists are in the safe zone - over 27, under 60 - but the others are getting a bit long in the tooth.

Dear Dr. John, Taj Mahal and Laurie Anderson - please do not die in the next twelve months. Thank you.

I'm seeing Dr.John for the 6th or 7th time a week from Saturday at our Blues Fest. Yay! You're gonna love him. Like most Fests these days, more genres than theone specified will be there.

pghblues.com

If you're lucky enough to have him play 2 gigs in one night in your town, one of them as The Night Tripper, for God's sake buy tickets for both if you can. No way you'll regret it.

Single show, SFJazz Center members ONLY (Dr. John is jazz? Blacksmith Lady Bazoo is jazz? Laurie Anderson is - well, who the hell knows what Laurie Anderson is...) and it sold out almost immediately.

I will keep an eye peeled for this Nite Tripper, though.


Do you know about the industry site Pollstar.com? Put in your city(and cities you're willing to travel to). See if he currently has a free day the day after that show. If he does, check every day to see if a show is added. A lot of the time you can at least get a heads up before tix go on sale. He's up there in age so I don't know if he still adds a show ataclub the same night like he used to.
Also, the times I've seen anyone has been over the course of a little more than 4 decades.
 
2014-07-18 05:44:16 PM  

lindalouwho: Also, the times I've seen anyone has been over the course of a little more than 4 decades.


And all this time I thought you were no more than two...

... actually, that "extra day" thing works, for true - I've used it to find Van Morrison, Elvis Costello, and King Crimson mucking about in leeetle clubs. I shall be vigilant. I shall also hope I'm not so wasted at the show I scream for him to play Lady Blue. [I already know I'm going to yell "Friervogel!" during a Weimar dance band show, so it's not beyond possibility.]
 
2014-07-18 06:13:07 PM  

Meatybrain: lindalouwho: Also, the times I've seen anyone has been over the course of a little more than 4 decades.

And all this time I thought you were no more than two...

... actually, that "extra day" thing works, for true - I've used it to find Van Morrison, Elvis Costello, and King Crimson mucking about in leeetle clubs. I shall be vigilant. I shall also hope I'm not so wasted at the show I scream for him to play Lady Blue. [I already know I'm going to yell "Friervogel!" during a Weimar dance band show, so it's not beyond possibility.]


Lol you've got me confused with Cindy - that reference went right over my head the first time someone made it.

And if i'd had more time (and was on my game) i'd have checked and saw that you're not 2 either ;-)

There used to be a bar here called The Decade that booked an extraordinary number of bands/musicians right before they broke into the big time. All us older folks should start writing this stuff down, so that when we go senile we can be amazed over and over again by how cool the times we grew up in were. Not even kidding.
 
2014-07-18 06:39:51 PM  

lindalouwho: Meatybrain: lindalouwho: Also, the times I've seen anyone has been over the course of a little more than 4 decades.

And all this time I thought you were no more than two...

... actually, that "extra day" thing works, for true - I've used it to find Van Morrison, Elvis Costello, and King Crimson mucking about in leeetle clubs. I shall be vigilant. I shall also hope I'm not so wasted at the show I scream for him to play Lady Blue. [I already know I'm going to yell "Friervogel!" during a Weimar dance band show, so it's not beyond possibility.]

Lol you've got me confused with Cindy - that reference went right over my head the first time someone made it.

And if i'd had more time (and was on my game) i'd have checked and saw that you're not 2 either ;-)

There used to be a bar here called The Decade that booked an extraordinary number of bands/musicians right before they broke into the big time. All us older folks should start writing this stuff down, so that when we go senile we can be amazed over and over again by how cool the times we grew up in were. Not even kidding.


I should have done it before, but this thread has you farkied in cool green.
 
2014-07-18 07:26:24 PM  

freetomato: lindalouwho: Meatybrain: lindalouwho: Also, the times I've seen anyone has been over the course of a little more than 4 decades.

And all this time I thought you were no more than two...

... actually, that "extra day" thing works, for true - I've used it to find Van Morrison, Elvis Costello, and King Crimson mucking about in leeetle clubs. I shall be vigilant. I shall also hope I'm not so wasted at the show I scream for him to play Lady Blue. [I already know I'm going to yell "Friervogel!" during a Weimar dance band show, so it's not beyond possibility.]

Lol you've got me confused with Cindy - that reference went right over my head the first time someone made it.

And if i'd had more time (and was on my game) i'd have checked and saw that you're not 2 either ;-)

There used to be a bar here called The Decade that booked an extraordinary number of bands/musicians right before they broke into the big time. All us older folks should start writing this stuff down, so that when we go senile we can be amazed over and over again by how cool the times we grew up in were. Not even kidding.

I should have done it before, but this thread has you farkied in cool green.


*blushes*

I looked at your profile - beautiful dogs! A few years ago I taught my sister's 95lb chocolate lab how to knock people off rafts in the pool when we were alone. She (the dog) is really really good at it, no one is safe.
 
2014-07-18 09:02:33 PM  
Well, 'bino.
 
2014-07-18 09:51:47 PM  
I was gonna say "Dead, White and Blue" but it seemed to soon.

Damn, I said it. RIP, Bluesman.
 
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