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2014-07-17 12:55:41 AM
Jesus these people are farking dumb!
 
2014-07-17 01:05:36 AM
Tea Party hero
 
2014-07-17 02:13:55 AM
You cannot become smart in North Carolina.

Leave first, then school.
 
2014-07-17 04:12:35 AM
If you elect idiots, it's your own damned fault
 
2014-07-17 05:49:02 AM
I love how the party of states rights absolutely refuses to grant any rights to cities or counties.

It's all

GOP: The federal government is to big.  We need more states rights.
Cities: That's good but now state governments are to big.  We need more autonomy at local lev.....
GOP: FARK YOU.  YOU DO WHAT WE SAY NOW!!!

It's a screwed up political game of Goldilocks.  Federal is to big.  Local is to small.  State is just right (and mostly controlled by GOP as well but I'm sure that has nothing to do with it).
 
2014-07-17 06:29:14 AM
NC, so much to be said about that state, not much of it good.
 
2014-07-17 07:35:02 AM
Not true, submitter.  If you leave, you're smart.
 
2014-07-17 07:39:03 AM
What does this mean for driver's education!?

/nothing really.
 
2014-07-17 07:48:43 AM
I guess if you want to keep your counties small, poor, and poorly maintained, that's how you'd do it.
 
2014-07-17 07:49:16 AM

JoieD'Zen: NC, so much to be said about that state, not much of it good.


There are still plenty of good things about this state.  The GOP is dead set to make sure that will no longer be the case in the future.

/didn't vote for these farkin assholes
//frequently write to tell them they're farking assholes
 
2014-07-17 07:51:34 AM

serfdood: JoieD'Zen: NC, so much to be said about that state, not much of it good.

There are still plenty of good things about this state.  The GOP is dead set to make sure that will no longer be the case in the future.

/didn't vote for these farkin assholes
//frequently write to tell them they're farking assholes


I should qualify that by saying there isn't much good politically about that state.
 
2014-07-17 07:54:08 AM
The logically, the counties should refuse to vote in lockstep with the big government nazis in Raleigh. States' rights are good for goose, good for the gander
 
2014-07-17 07:57:41 AM

5 star chef of tv dinners: I love how the party of states rights absolutely refuses to grant any rights to cities or counties.

It's all

GOP: The federal government is to big.  We need more states rights.
Cities: That's good but now state governments are to big.  We need more autonomy at local lev.....
GOP: FARK YOU.  YOU DO WHAT WE SAY NOW!!!

It's a screwed up political game of Goldilocks.  Federal is to big.  Local is to small.  State is just right (and mostly controlled by GOP as well but I'm sure that has nothing to do with it).


States Rights is not a libertarian talking point but it is popular amongst bigots.
 
2014-07-17 08:06:52 AM
Taxes hikes should be limited to those that pay for tax cuts to job creators.
 
2014-07-17 08:09:51 AM

5 star chef of tv dinners: I love how the party of states rights absolutely refuses to grant any rights to cities or counties.

It's all

GOP: The federal government is to big.  We need more states rights.
Cities: That's good but now state governments are to big.  We need more autonomy at local lev.....
GOP: FARK YOU.  YOU DO WHAT WE SAY NOW!!!

It's a screwed up political game of Goldilocks.  Federal is to big.  Local is to small.  State is just right (and mostly controlled by GOP as well but I'm sure that has nothing to do with it).


THIS!!!


/Centralized power--it's okay when WE do it!
 
2014-07-17 08:10:44 AM

serfdood: JoieD'Zen: NC, so much to be said about that state, not much of it good.

There are still plenty of good things about this state.  The GOP is dead set to make sure that will no longer be the case in the future.

/didn't vote for these farkin assholes
//frequently write to tell them they're farking assholes


I love parts if your state and I haven't picked the slightest hint of mouth breather in the people I have met. So who is voting for these idiots.
 
2014-07-17 08:11:01 AM

5 star chef of tv dinners: I love how the party of states rights absolutely refuses to grant any rights to cities or counties.

It's all

GOP: The federal government is to big.  We need more states rights.
Cities: That's good but now state governments are to big.  We need more autonomy at local lev.....
GOP: FARK YOU.  YOU DO WHAT WE SAY NOW!!!

It's a screwed up political game of Goldilocks.  Federal is to big.  Local is to small.  State is just right (and mostly controlled by GOP as well but I'm sure that has nothing to do with it).


That's because they don't give a fark about states rights. Cities are where Democrats live so they shouldn't get any say.  You never hear them talking about Federal government overreach when a Republican is in office.  It's really all about GOP rights to do whatever they want to do.
 
2014-07-17 08:14:07 AM

5 star chef of tv dinners: I love how the party of states rights absolutely refuses to grant any rights to cities or counties.


Seriously.  These people act like devolving government powers to a more local level is one of their core values.  I guess they've found something ELSE to be hypocritical about.
 
2014-07-17 08:14:55 AM

b2theory: 5 star chef of tv dinners: I love how the party of states rights absolutely refuses to grant any rights to cities or counties.

It's all

GOP: The federal government is to big.  We need more states rights.
Cities: That's good but now state governments are to big.  We need more autonomy at local lev.....
GOP: FARK YOU.  YOU DO WHAT WE SAY NOW!!!

It's a screwed up political game of Goldilocks.  Federal is to big.  Local is to small.  State is just right (and mostly controlled by GOP as well but I'm sure that has nothing to do with it).

States Rights is not a libertarian talking point but it is popular amongst bigots.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/We_the_people_act#We_the_People_Act

I guess Ron Paul is No True Libertarian. . .
 
2014-07-17 08:17:23 AM
So North Carolina cuts taxes and likely gives less money to the counties for their funding, and then disallows the counties from trying to raise money to make up the difference.

Brilliant farking plan, North Carolina.

(They're trying to pull the same shiat here in Ohio.)
 
2014-07-17 08:18:00 AM
Well, we can only hope that the people that vote for these assholes are negatively affected by their governance, and choose in the future to not vote for assholes like this, or not vote at all, similar to the current situation in Kansas.

Yeah, I know, I know.
 
2014-07-17 08:18:06 AM
Wouldn't the one necessarily lead to the other?
 
2014-07-17 08:19:32 AM
Politics is a silly infantile game that we invariably all lose.

I wish the people who ran this country would take their job even remotely seriously. For most (if not all), their "service" is just vehicle to personal gain.
 
2014-07-17 08:19:36 AM

b2theory: States Rights is not a libertarian talking point but it is popular amongst bigots.


you're contradicting yourself here
 
DGS [TotalFark]
2014-07-17 08:22:04 AM

Demetrius: Not true, submitter.  If you leave, you're smart.


Came here to say this.
 
2014-07-17 08:24:49 AM
How can you possibly justify making public transportation or education an either or proposition?  What possible argument could you make in support of this?
 
2014-07-17 08:26:25 AM

Egoy3k: How can you possibly justify making public transportation or education an either or proposition?  What possible argument could you make in support of this?


Soshalizm!  No, but seriously, you are dealing with elected officials and a constituency unconcerned with supportive arguments.  Somewhere, these measures will "stick it to a lib", and that is sufficient reasoning.
 
2014-07-17 08:29:59 AM

HMS_Blinkin: 5 star chef of tv dinners: I love how the party of states rights absolutely refuses to grant any rights to cities or counties.

Seriously.  These people act like devolving government powers to a more local level is one of their core values.  I guess they've found something ELSE to be hypocritical about.


The argument I've heard is that states' rights is in the Constitution and cities/counties' rights is not in the Constitution. Seriously. Sometimes I wonder if they want to give the corpses of the Founding Fathers blowjobs with how much they slobber over their writing.
 
2014-07-17 08:30:43 AM
Republicans are all for local control. Until the locals defy conservative orthodoxy.
 
2014-07-17 08:34:55 AM

Dog Welder: So North Carolina cuts taxes and likely gives less money to the counties for their funding, and then disallows the counties from trying to raise money to make up the difference.

Brilliant farking plan, North Carolina.

(They're trying to pull the same shiat here in Ohio.)


Not just the counties, but the voters in those counties.
 
2014-07-17 08:39:44 AM

born_yesterday: Egoy3k: How can you possibly justify making public transportation or education an either or proposition?  What possible argument could you make in support of this?

Soshalizm!  No, but seriously, you are dealing with elected officials and a constituency unconcerned with supportive arguments.  Somewhere, these measures will "stick it to a lib", and that is sufficient reasoning.


That's a BINGO! The only places remotely interested in public transportation are the Raleigh/Durham and Charlotte. Both are solidly blue and full of "those" people.
 
2014-07-17 08:44:51 AM

born_yesterday: Egoy3k: How can you possibly justify making public transportation or education an either or proposition?  What possible argument could you make in support of this?

Soshalizm!  No, but seriously, you are dealing with elected officials and a constituency unconcerned with supportive arguments.  Somewhere, these measures will "stick it to a lib", and that is sufficient reasoning.


I guess, but it just seems that this defies even shiatty logic.  It's like saying you can quit smoking and spend the money you are saving on beer or you can start carpooling and spend you are saving on taking your family out to the movies more often but you can't do both.

Oh well.
 
2014-07-17 08:45:02 AM
Everyday I get more confirmation that the best decision I've made in my life was fleeing that state at the first available opportunity. There is no amount of money you could pay me to return
 
2014-07-17 08:52:14 AM
Jebus you libtards are dumb.  You just need one tax for education and one tax for transportation... whoopitytdo if you cannot have them bundled into one tax increase.
 
2014-07-17 08:58:05 AM

b2theory: serfdood: JoieD'Zen: NC, so much to be said about that state, not much of it good.

There are still plenty of good things about this state.  The GOP is dead set to make sure that will no longer be the case in the future.

/didn't vote for these farkin assholes
//frequently write to tell them they're farking assholes

I love parts if your state and I haven't picked the slightest hint of mouth breather in the people I have met. So who is voting for these idiots.


The problem here in NC is that there are islands of sanity (Raleigh, Durham,Chapel Hill, Charlotte, Greensboro, Wilmington, Asheville) in vast oceans of ignorance and fear.

Earlier this week, residents of a subdivision near-ish to Fayetteville, found KKK recruiting fliers in their yards  Here
 
2014-07-17 08:58:42 AM

Saiga410: Jebus you libtards are dumb.  You just need one tax for education and one tax for transportation... whoopitytdo if you cannot have them bundled into one tax increase.


So you're saying that the people quoted in the article who claim the exact opposite, that creating a sales tax for education would preclude them from also creating a sales tax for transportation and vice versa, are wrong? That's interesting. Should I trust a random Farker or elected officials who serve North Carolina local governments that would have to operate under this law? Tough choice.
 
2014-07-17 08:59:43 AM

Lost Thought 00: Everyday I get more confirmation that the best decision I've made in my life was fleeing that state at the first available opportunity. There is no amount of money you could pay me to return


I live in NC and that's the way I think about Florida.

/17 years here
//14 in Miami
 
2014-07-17 09:01:28 AM

Serious Black: Saiga410: Jebus you libtards are dumb.  You just need one tax for education and one tax for transportation... whoopitytdo if you cannot have them bundled into one tax increase.

So you're saying that the people quoted in the article who claim the exact opposite, that creating a sales tax for education would preclude them from also creating a sales tax for transportation and vice versa, are wrong? That's interesting. Should I trust a random Farker or elected officials who serve North Carolina local governments that would have to operate under this law? Tough choice.


There is an article?  I thought we were only supposed to comment on the headlines.
 
2014-07-17 09:03:09 AM
These stories about NC politics are depressing.  I went to grad school in NC and there really are a lot of smart people in the Triangle.  But it gets drowned out by the rest of the state.  NC could really thrive.  Beautiful beaches and mountains, nice weather, good universities, and RTP has a lot of good businesses.  I don't know much about Charlotte except that it has a lot of banking.  But whatever - I'm not sure how much any of this matters until the state removes the far right/tea party influence.  Welcome to mediocrity NC.
 
2014-07-17 09:03:14 AM

sprawl15: b2theory: States Rights is not a libertarian talking point but it is popular amongst bigots.

you're contradicting yourself here


How?
 
2014-07-17 09:04:29 AM

b2theory: sprawl15: b2theory: States Rights is not a libertarian talking point but it is popular amongst bigots.

you're contradicting yourself here

How?

 
2014-07-17 09:05:15 AM

Saiga410: Serious Black: Saiga410: Jebus you libtards are dumb.  You just need one tax for education and one tax for transportation... whoopitytdo if you cannot have them bundled into one tax increase.

So you're saying that the people quoted in the article who claim the exact opposite, that creating a sales tax for education would preclude them from also creating a sales tax for transportation and vice versa, are wrong? That's interesting. Should I trust a random Farker or elected officials who serve North Carolina local governments that would have to operate under this law? Tough choice.

There is an article?  I thought we were only supposed to comment on the headlines.


Yeah, yeah, I know, welcome to Fark and such and furthermore comma.
 
2014-07-17 09:11:50 AM
I love it.

State: OK, we're going to cut everything to the bone. Education, infrastructure, social services...cut, cut cut.

Cities/Counties: You can't do this! We have to...

State: TO THE BONE! See, we even made the scissors motion...cut, cut cut.

Cities/Counties: Fine. I guess we'll have to raise the money ourselves by...

State: Whoa whoa, there, slick! Did you not hear the previously, twice mentioned, "To the Bone"?

Cities/Counties: But...

State: EVERYONE SUFFERS! Except those rich guys we gave all the tax cuts to, of course.
 
2014-07-17 09:12:03 AM
Washington State has similar assholes trying to kneecap Seattle's ability to raise its own funds for public transportation.

Fortunately, this is the first year in a long while we get to not have any of Tim Horse's Ass Eyman stupid measures on the ballot.
 
2014-07-17 09:15:19 AM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: If you elect idiots, it's your own damned fault


I have  friend who moved to the Raleigh-Durham area because it was such a great place for progressives. I know another who moved to the Asheville area for the same reason. Then the Republicans took over the legislature and the governors office, largely by promising not to make too many changes. Then they made a lot of crazy, stupid changes. It hasn't been that long since they have been in power, but things went to hell fast. When the democrats get voted back in, they will have a huge mess to clean up.
 
2014-07-17 09:18:39 AM
Money is fungible, so what's the point? They could just earmark the revenue from the tax hike to the general fund and tell people it will go towards a variety of things, such as improving schools and transit.

It seems like the GOP doesn't understand this concept. Shocking.
 
2014-07-17 09:19:45 AM

b2theory: States Rights is not a libertarian talking point



"It is a very significant fact that the adversaries of the trend toward more government control describe their opposition as a fight against Washington and Berne, i.e., against centralization.  It is conceived as a contest of states' rights versus the central power."
-Ludwig von Mises,  Omnipotent Government


from:
Freedom and Federalism: The Libertarian States' Rights Tradition

http://academy.mises.org/courses/federalism/


Conservatives and libertarians supported States Rights for many reasons other than a defense of Jim Crow. They used it to argue against the New Deal, the federal highway system, farm subsidies, housing projects, and a host of other government programs. They even used it as ameans to fight Communism. Clarence Manion noted that Joe McCarthy's crusade against Communists was focused on those who were in the State Department, Defense Department, and agencies like Voice of America. This was no accident. Manion realized that foreign policywas the one area that Washington had total sovereignty over. He noted that if communist spies tried to take over the department of interior, they could not collectivize land because of our 48 different state governments. This led him to proclaim that "States Rights is your number one defense against Communism."


 Barry Goldwater noted in The Conscience of a Conservative that while state governments may have duties that go along with their rights, those duties "are owed to the people of the States, not to the federal government. Therefore, the recourse lies not with the federal government, which is not sovereign, but with the people who are, and who have full power to take disciplinary action."

In the wake of the Trent Lott episode, the political establishment will try even harder to destroy whatever remnants of States Rights remain in this country. It is important for libertarians to defend this important principle. This will not be if most libertarians see more wisdom in Abraham Lincoln and Martin Luther King than Jefferson and Calhoun.

http://www.lewrockwell.com/2003/01/marcus-epstein/libertarians-and-s ta tes-rights/
 
2014-07-17 09:20:07 AM

5 star chef of tv dinners: I love how the party of states rights absolutely refuses to grant any rights to cities or counties.

It's all

GOP: The federal government is to big.  We need more states rights.
Cities: That's good but now state governments are to big.  We need more autonomy at local lev.....
GOP: FARK YOU.  YOU DO WHAT WE SAY NOW!!!

It's a screwed up political game of Goldilocks.  Federal is to big.  Local is to small.  State is just right (and mostly controlled by GOP as well but I'm sure that has nothing to do with it).


Remember, kids!

To: indicates direction "He went TO the store"
Two: indicates amount "TWO girls, one cup"
Too: indicates extremes "Government is TOO big" 

/sorry, pet peeve
 
2014-07-17 09:20:20 AM
Perhaps I can shed some insight into the subject for my city in Texas.
I have to pay property taxes for schools in my city.  And I have to pay property taxes in my county for schools outside the city.  I can't let my kids use the schools outside the city if I wanted to, so I'm taxed and receiving no benefit.  It's... very dumb.
So if they banned raising county school taxes, I wouldn't be hurt one bit.  And if that meant that the people using the schools had to fork out extra, well that would be fair..
 
2014-07-17 09:22:31 AM

Serious Black: Saiga410: Jebus you libtards are dumb.  You just need one tax for education and one tax for transportation... whoopitytdo if you cannot have them bundled into one tax increase.

So you're saying that the people quoted in the article who claim the exact opposite, that creating a sales tax for education would preclude them from also creating a sales tax for transportation and vice versa, are wrong? That's interesting. Should I trust a random Farker or elected officials who serve North Carolina local governments that would have to operate under this law? Tough choice.


Well, you know the old Republican saying, "A turd in the hand is worth two in your pants."
 
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