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2014-07-16 07:04:17 PM  
Ugh!  Yes, fire departments and ambulance companies charge for their services, even if you are dead.  Insurance covers these costs.  In this case, car insurance, in other cases heath insurance or homeowners insurance.  Get over it already!

If you really want to get incensed, hospitals charge to cure you of infections they give you!

CSB:

Friend has baby in hospital.
Baby gets MRSA while still in said hospital.
Hospital tells friend, "well you can get MRSA in the gym or other public places."
I ask, "When was the one hour old child in the gym?   So, you going to complain?  Sue?"
Friend, "Meh."
Me, "You know they are going to charge you to fix it?"
Friend, "Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.... but still probably not worth it."

/CSB
 
2014-07-16 08:21:06 PM  
Fire departments bill people? Then why do we pay local taxes? Do local taxes not cover fire departments?
 
2014-07-16 08:59:21 PM  

doglover: Fire departments bill people? Then why do we pay local taxes? Do local taxes not cover fire departments?


Yes. Fire Departments bill people for medical operations. They are allowed by federal law and most state laws to bill insurance companies a flat fee for fireground operations to recoup costs (laws written towards volunteer departments), and are allowed to bill insurance and drivers for motor vehicle collision operations.

This is the big reason Fire Departments WANT to take over EMS transport operations. It's the only way they can recoup a good deal of their costs, AND it allows them to inflate their call volumes in the face of falling calls for service for fire suppression.
 
2014-07-16 09:02:42 PM  
To be fair, the guy could be spending a year dead for tax reasons only.
 
2014-07-16 09:03:36 PM  
HOLD THE FARK ON!!! I have been chastised repeatedly on Fark criticizing taxes. I have been repeatedly told my taxes go to infrastructure, police and FIRE protection; that it was the cost of living in society.

Fire departments billing for services my taxes are supposed to pay for?

Next you'll be telling me police write tickets to generate revenue to pay for their salaries and assault vehicles!
 
2014-07-16 09:04:06 PM  
It grinds my gears when I get stuck in stupid bad traffic because they called out two big fire trucks to close 2/3 the freeway, and when you get around them everything is off on the shoulder, waiting for the tow-trucks parked in the stopped traffic a mile back.
 
2014-07-16 09:08:50 PM  

kendelrio: Fire departments billing for services my taxes are supposed to pay for?


Many fire departments do not survive on tax revenue. They either survive on federal grant supplementation, EMS billing income, fees tacked onto utility bills, or in the case of many volunteer fire departments - grassroots fundraisers on a regular basis.

wildcardjack: It grinds my gears when I get stuck in stupid bad traffic because they called out two big fire trucks to close 2/3 the freeway, and when you get around them everything is off on the shoulder, waiting for the tow-trucks parked in the stopped traffic a mile back.


They're blocking those lanes because idiots cause stuff like this to happen while rubbernecking.

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2014-07-16 09:20:13 PM  
Also, considering the turnout described, $500 is sort of a nominal charge.
 
2014-07-16 09:25:04 PM  
Sooo, about those idiots who got stranded at sea due to their own incompetence and had to be rescued...

Yes, that description applies to multiple stories.
 
2014-07-16 09:30:23 PM  
I own rental property; I had to clean up a dead body that sat in the baking sun for 7 days.

/Oh they remove the body; just not anything else when they go to move the body; all those lovely liquids and blood go everywhere.
 
2014-07-16 09:39:49 PM  
Next thing, funeral homes will be billing dead people for their own funerals
 
2014-07-16 09:45:07 PM  
This bill is a mistake according to the article. Also, it's hard to collect from a dead person though their insurance and estate might have to.

EMS is very expensive. A 5 min ambulance ride here starts at about $1000
 
2014-07-16 09:49:11 PM  

kendelrio: HOLD THE FARK ON!!! I have been chastised repeatedly on Fark criticizing taxes. I have been repeatedly told my taxes go to infrastructure, police and FIRE protection; that it was the cost of living in society.

Fire departments billing for services my taxes are supposed to pay for?

Next you'll be telling me police write tickets to generate revenue to pay for their salaries and assault vehicles!


It's because of your stupid ass biatching about how your taxes are too high when they are not, that this happens.
 
2014-07-16 10:04:25 PM  
They had to bill him

/there wasn't enough in his pockets to go around
 
2014-07-16 10:05:57 PM  

skinink: To be fair, the guy could be spending a year dead for tax reasons only.


Good one.
 
2014-07-16 10:10:15 PM  

wildcardjack: It grinds my gears when I get stuck in stupid bad traffic because they called out two big fire trucks to close 2/3 the freeway, and when you get around them everything is off on the shoulder, waiting for the tow-trucks parked in the stopped traffic a mile back.


Maybe they are there waiting for the REAL pileup yet to occur (because they blocking the im freeway)
 
2014-07-16 10:13:49 PM  
Was the accident his fault?


Bill the person responsible for the death
 
2014-07-16 10:15:54 PM  

doglover: Fire departments bill people? Then why do we pay local taxes? Do local taxes not cover fire departments?


That depends on the community. Some are fully tax supported. Some are subscription based, fee for service, or a mix.

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2011/12/07/9272989-firefighters-let- ho me-burn-over-75-fee-again
 
2014-07-16 10:22:05 PM  
He won't be coffin up the money any time soon. Even if they're plotting to send him to collections, Its not as if it can create a grave situation with his credit that can be dug-up later. They can't bury him in late fees. I say let the matter die.
 
2014-07-16 10:38:47 PM  

Texas Gabe: He won't be coffin up the money any time soon. Even if they're plotting to send him to collections, Its not as if it can create a grave situation with his credit that can be dug-up later. They can't bury him in late fees. I say let the matter die.


kek
 
2014-07-16 10:41:06 PM  

Gilligann: Was the accident his fault?


Bill the person responsible for the death


If I am dead I have absolutely no problem paying for my own body's removal.
 
2014-07-16 11:09:56 PM  

hardinparamedic: kendelrio: Fire departments billing for services my taxes are supposed to pay for?

Many fire departments do not survive on tax revenue. They either survive on federal grant supplementation, EMS billing income, fees tacked onto utility bills, or in the case of many volunteer fire departments - grassroots fundraisers on a regular basis.

wildcardjack: It grinds my gears when I get stuck in stupid bad traffic because they called out two big fire trucks to close 2/3 the freeway, and when you get around them everything is off on the shoulder, waiting for the tow-trucks parked in the stopped traffic a mile back.

They're blocking those lanes because idiots cause stuff like this to happen while rubbernecking.


I got to hear my father rant and rave over the phone about traffic stopping because of an accident. A pickup went under a semi-trailer (think Christmas Vacation, but with less humor and more cab flattening), and he didn't stop complaining when I reminded him that the driver died and they had to scrape him off of the trailer and the road. Traffic really brings out the sociopaths.
 
2014-07-16 11:25:15 PM  
suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com

It goes against the estate, to insurance, to whomever was at fault in the incident.  If you're one of the idiots who thinks their tax dollars pay for things like this, then no.  You obviously don't understand how effective the government(s) are at WASTING our tax dollars on stupid shiat.
 
2014-07-16 11:28:36 PM  

TOSViolation: [suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com image 62x68]

It goes against the estate, to insurance, to whomever was at fault in the incident.  If you're one of the idiots who thinks their tax dollars pay for things like this, then no.  You obviously don't understand how effective the government(s) are at WASTING our tax dollars on stupid shiat.


Yeah.  Preview fail...

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2014-07-17 12:23:22 AM  

LiberalConservative: Gilligann: Was the accident his fault?


Bill the person responsible for the death

If I am dead I have absolutely no problem paying for my own body's removal.


Will they take a check?
 
2014-07-17 12:33:08 AM  
Local fire dept also delivered my second child, didn't bill us a dime.  In fact, we saved a bundle because we didn't have to pay for the scheduled c-section.
 
2014-07-17 12:33:50 AM  
Since it sounds like a mistake and will likely be voided by the department, we could get mad over something real, like the fact that Michigan is so strapped for cash that one of their major cities is without running water, and probably needs the $500 to put gas in the tanks of their emergency response vehicles for another half a day.
 
2014-07-17 12:36:06 AM  

Watubi: Local fire dept also delivered my second child, didn't bill us a dime.  In fact, we saved a bundle because we didn't have to pay for the scheduled c-section.


Please tell me the Jaws of Life don't figure into this story.
 
2014-07-17 12:45:32 AM  

Gyrfalcon: Since it sounds like a mistake and will likely be voided by the department, we could get mad over something real, like the fact that Michigan is so strapped for cash that one of their major cities is without running water, and probably needs the $500 to put gas in the tanks of their emergency response vehicles for another half a day.


You know how people like to send Americans over to impoverished areas to donate money, food, volunteer labor, etc. to help out non-Americans?  You know how people like to send their money to other countries to take care of non-Americans?

Yeah, well we need to farking FIX OUR OWN farkING COUNTRY!  We're letting our OWN COUNTRY GO TO COMPLETE shiat!
 
2014-07-17 12:52:37 AM  

haemaker: Ugh!  Yes, fire departments and ambulance companies charge for their services, even if you are dead.  Insurance covers these costs.  In this case, car insurance, in other cases heath insurance or homeowners insurance.  Get over it already!

If you really want to get incensed, hospitals charge to cure you of infections they give you!

CSB:

Friend has baby in hospital.
Baby gets MRSA while still in said hospital.
Hospital tells friend, "well you can get MRSA in the gym or other public places."
I ask, "When was the one hour old child in the gym?   So, you going to complain?  Sue?"
Friend, "Meh."
Me, "You know they are going to charge you to fix it?"
Friend, "Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.... but still probably not worth it."

/CSB


WHOA

Have your friend speak with the hospital administrator- you will be able to get that bill revoked.
 
2014-07-17 01:51:44 AM  

TOSViolation: Gyrfalcon: Since it sounds like a mistake and will likely be voided by the department, we could get mad over something real, like the fact that Michigan is so strapped for cash that one of their major cities is without running water, and probably needs the $500 to put gas in the tanks of their emergency response vehicles for another half a day.

You know how people like to send Americans over to impoverished areas to donate money, food, volunteer labor, etc. to help out non-Americans?  You know how people like to send their money to other countries to take care of non-Americans?

Yeah, well we need to farking FIX OUR OWN farkING COUNTRY!  We're letting our OWN COUNTRY GO TO COMPLETE shiat!


Of course, I doubt you would volunteer one dime to help out a black woman in Detroit get her water turned back on once you found out she was on food stamps and general relief, so why even continue with this conversation?
 
2014-07-17 02:50:14 AM  
"This cost recovery has become a way that fire departments take care of things in Michigan,"

I'll bet.

So, not just taxes, Taxes ++ ?   "Sir?  I need you to sign here. SIR?  I NEED YOU TO SIGN THIS INVOICE!  SIR!  I NEED YOU TO SIGN HERE!

We're you just born?  Pay me.  You a growing kid?  Pay me.  Teenager?  Pay me.  You middle aged?  Pay me?  Old?  Pay me a LOT.  You shuffled off this mortal coil? Pay me.  You want we should let your family have your body to bury?  Pay me.  Your house on fire?  Pay me.  I can't help but think that if insist upon monetizing everything on earth, over and above taxes paid, that we shouldn't be up to our clavicles in debt.  Where do you suppose all that money goes?  Or for that matter, in an era where certain professions demand and get constant raises when most of the economy is in some corporation's cookie jar, where do you suppose it comes from?
 
2014-07-17 05:46:51 AM  
Go down to your local fire department, and hand them a $100 bill, and say "thanks".
 
2014-07-17 06:41:53 AM  
Fire departments around here in MA used to charge only a minimal fee for ambulance runs, then the town governemnt's realized it could be a profit making operation. Now they charge what commercial ambulances do and the money goes into the general fund, not back to the fire department.
 
2014-07-17 06:49:22 AM  

TOSViolation: Gyrfalcon: Since it sounds like a mistake and will likely be voided by the department, we could get mad over something real, like the fact that Michigan is so strapped for cash that one of their major cities is without running water, and probably needs the $500 to put gas in the tanks of their emergency response vehicles for another half a day.

You know how people like to send Americans over to impoverished areas to donate money, food, volunteer labor, etc. to help out non-Americans?  You know how people like to send their money to other countries to take care of non-Americans?

Yeah, well we need to farking FIX OUR OWN farkING COUNTRY!  We're letting our OWN COUNTRY GO TO COMPLETE shiat!


Odd... I live in this country, and it's kind of nice.  Maybe if you helped out a bit... volunteered a day or two, cleaned some roads...
 
2014-07-17 02:00:06 PM  

Gyrfalcon: TOSViolation: Gyrfalcon: Since it sounds like a mistake and will likely be voided by the department, we could get mad over something real, like the fact that Michigan is so strapped for cash that one of their major cities is without running water, and probably needs the $500 to put gas in the tanks of their emergency response vehicles for another half a day.

You know how people like to send Americans over to impoverished areas to donate money, food, volunteer labor, etc. to help out non-Americans?  You know how people like to send their money to other countries to take care of non-Americans?

Yeah, well we need to farking FIX OUR OWN farkING COUNTRY!  We're letting our OWN COUNTRY GO TO COMPLETE shiat!

Of course, I doubt you would volunteer one dime to help out a black woman in Detroit get her water turned back on once you found out she was on food stamps and general relief, so why even continue with this conversation?


1) My own city has its own issues.  Once we've finished taking care of our own shiat, we'll move on to the rest of our state.  Once we're done with that, we'll get to Michigan.
2) I do pay Federal taxes.  The FEDERAL government is supposed to deal with this, but they spend all of their time dicking around with useless shiat and sending money and supplies for FOREIGN aid.

If we each took care of our own neighborhoods, then provided assistance to surrounding towns, our country would be much better off than it is from sending aid outside the country.
 
2014-07-17 02:01:46 PM  

Yogimus: TOSViolation: Gyrfalcon: Since it sounds like a mistake and will likely be voided by the department, we could get mad over something real, like the fact that Michigan is so strapped for cash that one of their major cities is without running water, and probably needs the $500 to put gas in the tanks of their emergency response vehicles for another half a day.

You know how people like to send Americans over to impoverished areas to donate money, food, volunteer labor, etc. to help out non-Americans?  You know how people like to send their money to other countries to take care of non-Americans?

Yeah, well we need to farking FIX OUR OWN farkING COUNTRY!  We're letting our OWN COUNTRY GO TO COMPLETE shiat!

Odd... I live in this country, and it's kind of nice.  Maybe if you helped out a bit... volunteered a day or two, cleaned some roads...


I do.  North Carolina isn't a complete shiathole like Michigan.  (lower Michigan)  Durham is about the closest thing we have to Detroit, but we're working on it.
 
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