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(Think Progress)   Congressman demands pregnant woman explain why Obamacare includes maternity coverage, telling her it's a service that people like him will never use   (thinkprogress.org) divider line 168
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2014-07-16 05:47:06 PM  
My 24 year old wife asked her doctor why he insisted on giving her yearly prostate exams. "You might as well, your insurance covers it" , he says.
 
2014-07-16 06:01:51 PM  

vernonFL: My 24 year old wife asked her doctor why he insisted on giving her yearly prostate exams. "You might as well, your insurance covers it" , he says.


Giggity.
 
2014-07-16 06:05:22 PM  
So the Congressmen will be ok with prostate exams and boner pills not being covered, right? Because most people will never use those either.
 
2014-07-16 06:26:28 PM  
Did you not have a mother?
 
jbc [TotalFark]
2014-07-16 06:29:05 PM  
If Meadows doesn't want babies to get prenatal care, he sure as f---ing hell needs to quit demanding that the government have the right to control what women do with their wombs.
 
2014-07-16 06:38:31 PM  
Congressman angry about how insurance works, doesn't understand how insurance works.

Sadly this now seems to be the rule instead of the exception
 
2014-07-16 06:43:15 PM  
All societies are based on rules to protect pregnant women and young children. All else is surplusage, excrescence, adornment, luxury, or folly which can--and must--be dumped in emergency to preserve this prime function. As racial survival is the only universal morality, no other basic is possible. Attempts to formulate a "perfect society" on any foundation other than "Women and children first!" is no only witless, it is automatically genocidal. Nevertheless, starry-eyed idealists (all of them male) have tried endlessly--and no doubt will keep on trying.
--RAH
 
2014-07-16 06:43:40 PM  
It's not like the infant mortality rate is an important measure of a society.  I mean really.

LEGAL THEFT!!!!!!11ELEVENTY
 
2014-07-16 06:52:29 PM  
If this means he has no kids and this stupidity ends with him, [imokaywiththis.jpg]

/not really okay
//see other comments explaining how insurance works
 
2014-07-16 07:04:28 PM  
This is just another alien in a meat suit.
How could he understand kidbirth?
Is there some problem that they escape detection so long?
 
2014-07-16 07:04:47 PM  

enry: If this means he has no kids and this stupidity ends with him, [imokaywiththis.jpg]

/not really okay
//see other comments explaining how insurance works


From his House bio:
Mark lives in Jackson County with his wife Debbie. They have two college-age children, Blake and Haley.

He better hope Haley uses protection...that he's undoubtedly paying for.
 
2014-07-16 07:06:51 PM  
Here is a  question for any insurance savvy people- if you are a single male and your insurance covers something you will never use like birth control or prenatal care, do they actually charge you for that? Or if you are a single woman do they charge you extra for prostrate or viagra coverage? Is insurance ala carte, or is it a set price for everyone based simply on age and health factors? I know that insurance can be higher for tobacco smokers, but do they actually raise rates because they have to cover items you will never use?
 
2014-07-16 07:18:58 PM  
Why should my tax dollars go toward paying the salary of a member of congress whose utility as a space-occupier in the universe would be better served by his body fat being rendered into a few dozen tallow candles?
 
2014-07-16 07:20:57 PM  

Dinki: Here is a  question for any insurance savvy people- if you are a single male and your insurance covers something you will never use like birth control or prenatal care, do they actually charge you for that? Or if you are a single woman do they charge you extra for prostrate or viagra coverage? Is insurance ala carte, or is it a set price for everyone based simply on age and health factors? I know that insurance can be higher for tobacco smokers, but do they actually raise rates because they have to cover items you will never use?


It's a like a "legal fiction".  They charge everyone regardless of gender the same price, because that is stipulated by law.  So the prices are set to cover a population (age range, smoker, etc.) of which a certain percentage will get pregnant, need prostate exams, etc.  Prices are not individualized.
 
2014-07-16 07:30:20 PM  

haemaker: It's a like a "legal fiction".  They charge everyone regardless of gender the same price, because that is stipulated by law.  So the prices are set to cover a population (age range, smoker, etc.) of which a certain percentage will get pregnant, need prostate exams, etc.  Prices are not individualized.


That's what i thought. So for the GOP poutrage to be legitimate, they would have to prove that an insurance company would charge less for a single male's coverage of strictly non-gender specific illnesses and male only illnesses, VS. a single womans coverage of strictly non-gender specific illnesses and female only illnesses. If the coverage for those are the same, one could assume that a combined insurance plan would also be the same.
 
2014-07-16 08:01:21 PM  
Is there a single Republican Congressman who is capable of NOT being a complete asshole?

/it's like a prerequisite or something
 
2014-07-16 08:04:47 PM  
I take it that, if Dr. Cohen gives birth to a son, she will not be naming him Mark?
 
2014-07-16 08:14:17 PM  

Dinki: haemaker: It's a like a "legal fiction".  They charge everyone regardless of gender the same price, because that is stipulated by law.  So the prices are set to cover a population (age range, smoker, etc.) of which a certain percentage will get pregnant, need prostate exams, etc.  Prices are not individualized.

That's what i thought. So for the GOP poutrage to be legitimate, they would have to prove that an insurance company would charge less for a single male's coverage of strictly non-gender specific illnesses and male only illnesses, VS. a single womans coverage of strictly non-gender specific illnesses and female only illnesses. If the coverage for those are the same, one could assume that a combined insurance plan would also be the same.


But there's the rub, they did charge more to cover women, that's why the government stepped in to equalize it, but they didn't just say, "Ok, we'll make the men pay the same as women and reap the profits", they lowered some and raised others to equalize.  So, I'd say it's an exaggeration.

"You're not wrong, Walter.  You're just an asshole."
 
2014-07-16 08:25:38 PM  
Obamacare also covers prostate examinations, vasectomies, and boner pills, services that she will never use.
 
2014-07-16 08:26:06 PM  

haemaker: Dinki: haemaker: It's a like a "legal fiction".  They charge everyone regardless of gender the same price, because that is stipulated by law.  So the prices are set to cover a population (age range, smoker, etc.) of which a certain percentage will get pregnant, need prostate exams, etc.  Prices are not individualized.

That's what i thought. So for the GOP poutrage to be legitimate, they would have to prove that an insurance company would charge less for a single male's coverage of strictly non-gender specific illnesses and male only illnesses, VS. a single womans coverage of strictly non-gender specific illnesses and female only illnesses. If the coverage for those are the same, one could assume that a combined insurance plan would also be the same.

But there's the rub, they did charge more to cover women, that's why the government stepped in to equalize it, but they didn't just say, "Ok, we'll make the men pay the same as women and reap the profits", they lowered some and raised others to equalize.  So, I'd say it's an exaggeration.

"You're not wrong, Walter.  You're just an asshole."


In other words, certain people were charged more for health insurance due to a genetic condition beyond their control - in this case, not having a Y chromosome.
 
2014-07-16 08:26:54 PM  

hubiestubert: All societies are based on rules to protect pregnant women and young children. All else is surplusage, excrescence, adornment, luxury, or folly which can--and must--be dumped in emergency to preserve this prime function. As racial survival is the only universal morality, no other basic is possible. Attempts to formulate a "perfect society" on any foundation other than "Women and children first!" is no only witless, it is automatically genocidal. Nevertheless, starry-eyed idealists (all of them male) have tried endlessly--and no doubt will keep on trying.
--RAH

Rand Paul
 
2014-07-16 08:27:42 PM  
Can you upcharge smokers under Obamacare.
 
2014-07-16 08:27:56 PM  

haemaker: Dinki: Here is a  question for any insurance savvy people- if you are a single male and your insurance covers something you will never use like birth control or prenatal care, do they actually charge you for that? Or if you are a single woman do they charge you extra for prostrate or viagra coverage? Is insurance ala carte, or is it a set price for everyone based simply on age and health factors? I know that insurance can be higher for tobacco smokers, but do they actually raise rates because they have to cover items you will never use?

It's a like a "legal fiction".  They charge everyone regardless of gender the same price, because that is stipulated by law.  So the prices are set to cover a population (age range, smoker, etc.) of which a certain percentage will get pregnant, need prostate exams, etc.  Prices are not individualized.


it sounds almost like they are "pooling" their "risk"
 
2014-07-16 08:31:38 PM  

sprawl15: haemaker: Dinki: Here is a  question for any insurance savvy people- if you are a single male and your insurance covers something you will never use like birth control or prenatal care, do they actually charge you for that? Or if you are a single woman do they charge you extra for prostrate or viagra coverage? Is insurance ala carte, or is it a set price for everyone based simply on age and health factors? I know that insurance can be higher for tobacco smokers, but do they actually raise rates because they have to cover items you will never use?

It's a like a "legal fiction".  They charge everyone regardless of gender the same price, because that is stipulated by law.  So the prices are set to cover a population (age range, smoker, etc.) of which a certain percentage will get pregnant, need prostate exams, etc.  Prices are not individualized.

it sounds almost like they are "pooling" their "risk"


DIRTY COMMIES!
 
2014-07-16 08:32:38 PM  

Dinki: haemaker: It's a like a "legal fiction".  They charge everyone regardless of gender the same price, because that is stipulated by law.  So the prices are set to cover a population (age range, smoker, etc.) of which a certain percentage will get pregnant, need prostate exams, etc.  Prices are not individualized.

That's what i thought. So for the GOP poutrage to be legitimate, they would have to prove that an insurance company would charge less for a single male's coverage of strictly non-gender specific illnesses and male only illnesses, VS. a single womans coverage of strictly non-gender specific illnesses and female only illnesses. If the coverage for those are the same, one could assume that a combined insurance plan would also be the same.



If you really wanted to break out the individualized costs we'd need to start a running insurance tab at conception for the embryo, so they can be appropriately billed upon emergence or extraction from the uterus.  The question is how do you spilt the pre-natal bill-- 50/50?  By birth weight:maternal weight ratio?

Perhaps even a rider for supplemantal coverage with the bill due to the father would also be appropriate.....
 
2014-07-16 08:33:35 PM  
Has anyone explained to the Republican party that women actually got the vote a while back?
 
2014-07-16 08:34:13 PM  
I'm pretty sure I won't get cancer. I have absolutely no family history of it. So why should I pay for the Congressman's impending chemotherapy for the obvious brain tumor he has that is destroying his ability to reason?
 
2014-07-16 08:34:58 PM  

haemaker: Dinki: Here is a  question for any insurance savvy people- if you are a single male and your insurance covers something you will never use like birth control or prenatal care, do they actually charge you for that? Or if you are a single woman do they charge you extra for prostrate or viagra coverage? Is insurance ala carte, or is it a set price for everyone based simply on age and health factors? I know that insurance can be higher for tobacco smokers, but do they actually raise rates because they have to cover items you will never use?

It's a like a "legal fiction".  They charge everyone regardless of gender the same price, because that is stipulated by law.  So the prices are set to cover a population (age range, smoker, etc.) of which a certain percentage will get pregnant, need prostate exams, etc.  Prices are not individualized.


Except maternity coverage. They roast you for that.
 
2014-07-16 08:36:48 PM  

WI241TH: enry: If this means he has no kids and this stupidity ends with him, [imokaywiththis.jpg]

/not really okay
//see other comments explaining how insurance works

From his House bio:
Mark lives in Jackson County with his wife Debbie. They have two college-age children, Blake and Haley.

He better hope Haley uses protection...that he's undoubtedly paying for.


Ahhhh, shiat. He bred. So much for that hope.
 
2014-07-16 08:38:41 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Is there a single Republican Congressman who is capable of NOT being a complete asshole?

/it's like a prerequisite or something


GOPers are usually either stupid, evil or both. That's the only pattern I notice with them.
 
2014-07-16 08:40:47 PM  

quatchi: Has anyone explained to the Republican party that women actually got the vote a while back?


Real American(tm) women vote according to two simple rules:

1. If married, vote as your husband votes.
2. If unmarried, vote as your father votes.
 
2014-07-16 08:42:25 PM  

menschenfresser: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Is there a single Republican Congressman who is capable of NOT being a complete asshole?

/it's like a prerequisite or something

GOPers are usually either stupid, evil or both. That's the only pattern I notice with them.


I think there used to be a few GOPers in Congress who were neither stupid nor evil, but they've all been primaried and/or switched parties by now.
 
2014-07-16 08:43:38 PM  
I've always wondered what an entire party of sociopaths looks like.
 
2014-07-16 08:43:41 PM  

gilgigamesh: Congressman angry about how insurance works, doesn't understand how insurance works.

Sadly this now seems to be the rule instead of the exception


Nowadays you can count on the GOP to 1) misunderstand an issue, or at least pretend to, and then 2) be complete assholes about it. That really does seem to be the trend, at least in the last 15 years or so.
 
2014-07-16 08:47:20 PM  
GOP OutreachTM, ladies and gentlemen!
 
2014-07-16 08:47:25 PM  

anfrind: quatchi: Has anyone explained to the Republican party that women actually got the vote a while back?

Real American(tm) women vote according to two simple rules:

1. If married, vote as your husband votes.
2. If unmarried, vote as your father votes.


If she's of voting age, a Real American woman should be married and popping out more patriots, rendering point 2 moot.
 
2014-07-16 08:48:22 PM  

optikeye: Did you not have a mother?


And there you go...the approach to take when this subject comes up.

"I don't understand, Congressman. Weren't you born to a mother? Didn't she get health care while pregnant?"
 
2014-07-16 08:48:53 PM  
This representative was born in France. Did he renounce his French citizenship before or after he realized he could be arrested as a fugitive from French military service ? Can he set foot in France at all ever again? Or did this guy comply and wear a French uniform?

A co-worker Army brat was arrested by US Marshals on his 18th birthday as a fugitive from France's draft. He had to go to the French consulate and renounce his French citizenship, which he didn't even know he had. Since he was born on a US military base in France, he thought he was just a US citizen. The Marshals said it happens all the time. He's barred from France, probably any French territory.
 
2014-07-16 08:50:24 PM  
Please keep this line of attack up. It will certainly float all your boats into even greater power.
 
2014-07-16 08:51:26 PM  
If Moms aren't given maternity leave, how can we raise the next generation of soldiers to die in useless, but money making, wars?

Man, the GOP is short sighted.
 
2014-07-16 08:52:47 PM  

djkutch: If Moms aren't given maternity leave, how can we raise the next generation of soldiers to die in useless, but money making, wars?


why do you think the gop didn't give obama the money he wanted to send the child refugees back home to die
 
2014-07-16 08:52:50 PM  
Hey Republicans, that outreach might go better if you stop dipping your hands deep into the overused Porta-Potty first.
 
2014-07-16 08:53:21 PM  

scanman61: optikeye: Did you not have a mother?

And there you go...the approach to take when this subject comes up.

"I don't understand, Congressman. Weren't you born to a mother? Didn't she get health care while pregnant?"


Considering his obvious mental deficiencies I'd suggest that it's entirely possible, if not likely, that this guy's mother did not receive health care during her pregnancy.
 
2014-07-16 08:55:42 PM  

djkutch: If Moms aren't given maternity leave, how can we raise the next generation of soldiers to die in useless, but money making, wars?

Man, the GOP is short sighted.


The majority of babies born today in the US aren't white. That may be all we need to know here.
 
2014-07-16 08:56:39 PM  
I understand the point he's trying to make and disagree with ACA but having kids is friggin expensive and pretty damn important to the continuation of the nation. That's a compelling interest if you ask me. Republicans should drop this line of attack.
 
2014-07-16 08:56:51 PM  
I got mine (penis), fark you.
 
2014-07-16 08:57:27 PM  

menschenfresser: djkutch: If Moms aren't given maternity leave, how can we raise the next generation of soldiers to die in useless, but money making, wars?

Man, the GOP is short sighted.

The majority of babies born today in the US aren't white. That may be all we need to know here.


Thanks Obama!
 
2014-07-16 08:59:18 PM  

scanman61: optikeye: Did you not have a mother?

And there you go...the approach to take when this subject comes up.

"I don't understand, Congressman. Weren't you born to a mother? Didn't she get health care while pregnant?"


It wasn't socialized health care, that's for sure. I'm sure the man of the house paid for it, as god intended.
 
2014-07-16 09:01:30 PM  

CanisNoir: I understand the point he's trying to make and disagree with ACA but having kids is friggin expensive and pretty damn important to the continuation of the nation. That's a compelling interest if you ask me. Republicans should drop this line of attack.


And by "this" you mean "every." Because every line of attack on ACA is basically this.
 
2014-07-16 09:02:30 PM  

anfrind: quatchi: Has anyone explained to the Republican party that women actually got the vote a while back?

Real American(tm) women vote according to two simple rules:

1. If married, vote as your husband votes.
2. If unmarried, vote as your father votes.


Loved that bit in Mad Men. "Are you voting for Nixon or Kennedy?"

"I don't know, Don hasn't told me who we are voting for yet."

Man. White guy used to be so boss. Why would we want to give that up?
 
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