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2014-07-16 02:45:21 PM  
17 years?

Gonna go out on a limb and say it's a minority and that the GOP party line voted against them then and now.

*checks article*

Sweet! I owe myself a cookie now.
 
2014-07-16 03:03:55 PM  
No, he was not confirmed 17 years ago and nominated again in November.
 
2014-07-16 03:12:04 PM  
Sen. Orrin Hatch (R-Utah), the longest-serving Republican in the Senate who again opposed White's confirmation, blamed Democrats for starting the confirmation wars. "They started this stuff," he told Kane. "I go way back when they started pulling this crap. . . It basically started with Bork. He was treated terribly."

Bork was opposed because he wanted to overturn Roe v. Wade and didn't believe the Constitution included a right to privacy.  The GOP backed him along party lines, and the Dems opposed him the same way - but if the GOP today were to get an Obama nominee who said that there is no Constitutional right to privacy (and can't or won't give his interpretation on the 4th Amendment in light of that view), they'd Bork him so hard he'd be bowlegged for a month.
 
2014-07-16 03:30:54 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: Bork was opposed because he wanted to overturn Roe v. Wade and didn't believe the Constitution included a right to privacy.


From what I've heard from law students over the years, those might actually be some of the less egregious problems with his philosophy.
 
2014-07-16 03:38:41 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: Sen. Orrin Hatch (R-Utah), the longest-serving Republican in the Senate who again opposed White's confirmation, blamed Democrats for starting the confirmation wars. "They started this stuff," he told Kane. "I go way back when they started pulling this crap. . . It basically started with Bork. He was treated terribly."

Bork was opposed because he wanted to overturn Roe v. Wade and didn't believe the Constitution included a right to privacy.  The GOP backed him along party lines, and the Dems opposed him the same way - but if the GOP today were to get an Obama nominee who said that there is no Constitutional right to privacy (and can't or won't give his interpretation on the 4th Amendment in light of that view), they'd Bork him so hard he'd be bowlegged for a month.


And Bork got an up or down vote on confirmation, not a filibuster by Democrats as the Senate GOP has done for every one of Obama's nominees.  The exception has swallowed the rule as a result of Grand Old Tea Party tactics.
 
2014-07-16 03:38:57 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: Sen. Orrin Hatch (R-Utah), the longest-serving Republican in the Senate who again opposed White's confirmation, blamed Democrats for starting the confirmation wars. "They started this stuff," he told Kane. "I go way back when they started pulling this crap. . . It basically started with Bork. He was treated terribly."

Bork was opposed because he wanted to overturn Roe v. Wade and didn't believe the Constitution included a right to privacy.  The GOP backed him along party lines, and the Dems opposed him the same way - but if the GOP today were to get an Obama nominee who said that there is no Constitutional right to privacy (and can't or won't give his interpretation on the 4th Amendment in light of that view), they'd Bork him so hard he'd be bowlegged for a month.



In other words, Orrin Hatch wants to treat the duties and responsibilities of the Senate like Palestine and Israel -- "THEY STARTED IT!"

How juvenile, irresponsible, and reprehensible.

Just another reason why I support the repeal of the 17th Amendment and let the States choose whom to send to the Senate.  Put an end to these career hucksters, agitators, and instigators.
 
2014-07-16 03:39:10 PM  
WOW, that was quick by today's standards....
 
2014-07-16 03:39:53 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: Sen. Orrin Hatch (R-Utah), the longest-serving Republican in the Senate who again opposed White's confirmation, blamed Democrats for starting the confirmation wars. "They started this stuff," he told Kane. "I go way back when they started pulling this crap. . . It basically started with Bork. He was treated terribly."


Well he probably believes in Original Sin as well. Also, yes Bork might have started it but good lord grow up. it has been over 30 years.
 
2014-07-16 03:43:28 PM  

ArkAngel: No, he was not confirmed 17 years ago and nominated again in November.


Exactly... he was denied the first time.  Obama re-nominated him in November, confirmed in May.  So 6 or 7 months depending how early in November he was nominated and how late in May he was confirmed.  The headlines here and on article are just wrong.
 
2014-07-16 03:43:40 PM  
They also voted against discussing a bill to amend the language of the law used in the hobby lobby supreme court case. This is after the author of the bill said the supreme court misinterpreted his law.. They voted against even talking about it..lol
 
2014-07-16 03:44:15 PM  
Orrin Hatch is an incredible piece of sh*t clingling tenaciously to the butt hairs of America.
 
2014-07-16 03:44:40 PM  
So THAT's what this crap is all about. It's all revenge for Robert Bork. The Democrats wouldn't let Reagan have another Scalia and they've been biatching ever since.
 
2014-07-16 03:45:21 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: Sen. Orrin Hatch (R-Utah), the longest-serving Republican in the Senate who again opposed White's confirmation, blamed Democrats for starting the confirmation wars. "They started this stuff," he told Kane. "I go way back when they started pulling this crap. . . It basically started with Bork. He was treated terribly."

Bork was opposed because he wanted to overturn Roe v. Wade and didn't believe the Constitution included a right to privacy.  The GOP backed him along party lines, and the Dems opposed him the same way - but if the GOP today were to get an Obama nominee who said that there is no Constitutional right to privacy (and can't or won't give his interpretation on the 4th Amendment in light of that view), they'd Bork him so hard he'd be bowlegged for a month.


upload.wikimedia.org
Bork!
 
2014-07-16 03:46:37 PM  

stan unusual: Benevolent Misanthrope: Sen. Orrin Hatch (R-Utah), the longest-serving Republican in the Senate who again opposed White's confirmation, blamed Democrats for starting the confirmation wars. "They started this stuff," he told Kane. "I go way back when they started pulling this crap. . . It basically started with Bork. He was treated terribly."

Bork was opposed because he wanted to overturn Roe v. Wade and didn't believe the Constitution included a right to privacy.  The GOP backed him along party lines, and the Dems opposed him the same way - but if the GOP today were to get an Obama nominee who said that there is no Constitutional right to privacy (and can't or won't give his interpretation on the 4th Amendment in light of that view), they'd Bork him so hard he'd be bowlegged for a month.

And Bork got an up or down vote on confirmation, not a filibuster by Democrats as the Senate GOP has done for every one of Obama's nominees.  The exception has swallowed the rule as a result of Grand Old Tea Party tactics.


Bingo. You want to oppose a nominee? Don't stop them from getting an up-or-down vote that decides whether they are confirmed or rejected.
 
2014-07-16 03:46:52 PM  

ecmoRandomNumbers: Orrin Hatch is an incredible piece of sh*t clingling tenaciously to the butt hairs of America.


Incredible belongs nowhere near his name. He is more like a dingleberry
 
2014-07-16 03:53:20 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: Sen. Orrin Hatch (R-Utah), the longest-serving Republican in the Senate who again opposed White's confirmation, blamed Democrats for starting the confirmation wars. "They started this stuff," he told Kane. "I go way back when they started pulling this crap. . . It basically started with Bork. He was treated terribly."

Bork was opposed because he wanted to overturn Roe v. Wade and didn't believe the Constitution included a right to privacy.  The GOP backed him along party lines, and the Dems opposed him the same way - but if the GOP today were to get an Obama nominee who said that there is no Constitutional right to privacy (and can't or won't give his interpretation on the 4th Amendment in light of that view), they'd Bork him so hard he'd be bowlegged for a month.


He was treated terribly because he had some really troubling positions and the Democrats had legitimate problems with putting him on the country's highest court.  The Republicans, as they tend to do, learned the wrong lesson.  Instead of "putting up an extremist garners an extreme reaction" they learn "Democrats are jerks with nominations, so we're going to be jerks about their nominations."
 
2014-07-16 03:54:11 PM  
Sen. Orrin Hatch (R-Utah), the longest-serving Republican in the Senate who again opposed White's confirmation, blamed Democrats for starting the confirmation wars. "They started this stuff," he told Kane. "I go way back when they started pulling this crap. . . It basically started with [Judge Robert H.] Bork" in 1987. "He was treated terribly."

Republicans: I don't have responsibility for my own actions instead I blame them on others.
 
2014-07-16 03:56:52 PM  

abb3w: Benevolent Misanthrope: Bork was opposed because he wanted to overturn Roe v. Wade and didn't believe the Constitution included a right to privacy.

From what I've heard from law students over the years, those might actually be some of the less egregious problems with his philosophy.



Plus, there's the whole Saturday Night Massacre thing...


Benevolent Misanthrope: Sen. Orrin Hatch (R-Utah), the longest-serving Republican in the Senate who again opposed White's confirmation, blamed Democrats for starting the confirmation wars. "They started this stuff," he told Kane. "I go way back when they started pulling this crap. . . It basically started with Bork. He was treated terribly."



Two Democrats voted to confirm Bork.
Six Republicans voted against him.

Reagan nominated Anthony Kennedy afterwards, and he was confirmed 97-0.
 
2014-07-16 03:57:03 PM  
After review, we find that the headline is the best kind of correct.
 
2014-07-16 04:10:03 PM  
Filibustering the judicial nominations from the opposing party is a Nash equilibrium result.  Neither party will unilaterally disarm (approve ideologically unfriendly judges) without binding assurances of reciprocation, which constitutionally can't be given.  This will never get better without a constitutional amendment.
 
2014-07-16 04:12:09 PM  
Bork also was the douche who fired Nixon's special prosecutor after two others were fired by Nixon for refusing to do so

Bork has no business being anywhere near a courtroom unless as a defendant
 
2014-07-16 04:15:49 PM  

abb3w: Benevolent Misanthrope: Bork was opposed because he wanted to overturn Roe v. Wade and didn't believe the Constitution included a right to privacy.

From what I've heard from law students over the years, those might actually be some of the less egregious problems with his philosophy.


Not to mention Bork's actions in the Saturday Night Massacre.

Nixon then ordered the Solicitor General, Robert Bork (as acting head of the Justice Department) to fire Cox. Both Richardson and Ruckelshaus had given personal assurances to the congressional oversight committee that they would not interfere, but Bork had not. Though Bork claims that he believed Nixon's order to be valid and appropriate, he considered resigning to avoid being "perceived as a man who did the President's bidding to save my job."[7] Nevertheless, having been brought to the White House by limousine and sworn in as Acting Attorney General, Bork wrote the letter firing Cox.[8]

Source
 
2014-07-16 04:19:22 PM  

Misch: abb3w: Benevolent Misanthrope: Bork was opposed because he wanted to overturn Roe v. Wade and didn't believe the Constitution included a right to privacy.

From what I've heard from law students over the years, those might actually be some of the less egregious problems with his philosophy.

Not to mention Bork's actions in the Saturday Night Massacre.

Nixon then ordered the Solicitor General, Robert Bork (as acting head of the Justice Department) to fire Cox. Both Richardson and Ruckelshaus had given personal assurances to the congressional oversight committee that they would not interfere, but Bork had not. Though Bork claims that he believed Nixon's order to be valid and appropriate, he considered resigning to avoid being "perceived as a man who did the President's bidding to save my job."[7] Nevertheless, having been brought to the White House by limousine and sworn in as Acting Attorney General, Bork wrote the letter firing Cox.[8]

Source


So, he considered resigning to avoid being perceived as a lackey, so instead he became a lackey?

// shoulda been John Dean nominated
 
2014-07-16 04:20:18 PM  
Hatch can f**k himself right in the ass, and shove his thirty-six year tenure up there too.
 
2014-07-16 04:20:52 PM  

stonicus: Benevolent Misanthrope: Sen. Orrin Hatch (R-Utah), the longest-serving Republican in the Senate who again opposed White's confirmation, blamed Democrats for starting the confirmation wars. "They started this stuff," he told Kane. "I go way back when they started pulling this crap. . . It basically started with Bork. He was treated terribly."

Bork was opposed because he wanted to overturn Roe v. Wade and didn't believe the Constitution included a right to privacy.  The GOP backed him along party lines, and the Dems opposed him the same way - but if the GOP today were to get an Obama nominee who said that there is no Constitutional right to privacy (and can't or won't give his interpretation on the 4th Amendment in light of that view), they'd Bork him so hard he'd be bowlegged for a month.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 290x363]
Bork!


ultraimg.com
 
2014-07-16 04:26:36 PM  

shut_it_down: Benevolent Misanthrope: Sen. Orrin Hatch (R-Utah), the longest-serving Republican in the Senate who again opposed White's confirmation, blamed Democrats for starting the confirmation wars. "They started this stuff," he told Kane. "I go way back when they started pulling this crap. . . It basically started with Bork. He was treated terribly."

Bork was opposed because he wanted to overturn Roe v. Wade and didn't believe the Constitution included a right to privacy.  The GOP backed him along party lines, and the Dems opposed him the same way - but if the GOP today were to get an Obama nominee who said that there is no Constitutional right to privacy (and can't or won't give his interpretation on the 4th Amendment in light of that view), they'd Bork him so hard he'd be bowlegged for a month.

He was treated terribly because he had some really troubling positions and the Democrats had legitimate problems with putting him on the country's highest court.  The Republicans, as they tend to do, learned the wrong lesson.  Instead of "putting up an extremist garners an extreme reaction" they learn "Democrats are jerks with nominations, so we're going to be jerks about their nominations."


Or it could be that they see the dem nominations as extremists and are reacting extremely.  EXTREME
 
2014-07-16 04:37:06 PM  

Gary-L: Just another reason why I support the repeal of the 17th Amendment and let the States choose whom to send to the Senate. Put an end to these career hucksters, agitators, and instigators.


Are you serious, or should I just laugh harder?
 
2014-07-16 04:41:44 PM  

Saiga410: shut_it_down: Benevolent Misanthrope: Sen. Orrin Hatch (R-Utah), the longest-serving Republican in the Senate who again opposed White's confirmation, blamed Democrats for starting the confirmation wars. "They started this stuff," he told Kane. "I go way back when they started pulling this crap. . . It basically started with Bork. He was treated terribly."

Bork was opposed because he wanted to overturn Roe v. Wade and didn't believe the Constitution included a right to privacy.  The GOP backed him along party lines, and the Dems opposed him the same way - but if the GOP today were to get an Obama nominee who said that there is no Constitutional right to privacy (and can't or won't give his interpretation on the 4th Amendment in light of that view), they'd Bork him so hard he'd be bowlegged for a month.

He was treated terribly because he had some really troubling positions and the Democrats had legitimate problems with putting him on the country's highest court.  The Republicans, as they tend to do, learned the wrong lesson.  Instead of "putting up an extremist garners an extreme reaction" they learn "Democrats are jerks with nominations, so we're going to be jerks about their nominations."

Or it could be that they see the dem nominations as extremists and are reacting extremely.  EXTREME


Right. That must be why once the filibuster is broken, they get confirmed unanimously.
 
2014-07-16 06:28:42 PM  
Ronnie White actually went to the Missouri Supreme Court bench for a while between this bullcrap pulled by Republicans. He's an excellent jurist and this appointment is long overdue.

Interesting story - in between White being nominated by Clinton and being nominated by Obama, another Missouri Supreme Court judge was also appointed to the federal bench, without any filibuster or even the slightest bit of a hiccup. Of course, it helped that his name was Limbaugh.
 
2014-07-16 06:31:18 PM  
Sen. Orrin Hatch (R-Utah), the longest-serving Republican in the Senate who again opposed White's confirmation, blamed Democrats for starting the confirmation wars. "They started this stuff,"

But MOM! They started it!
Great, the longest-serving Republican senator is a farking child.
 
2014-07-16 07:40:33 PM  
Bork was simply unfit to serve on the SCOTUS.    To this day i boggles my mind how the GOP thought his nomination would go through.
 
2014-07-16 08:11:24 PM  

Gary-L: Just another reason why I support the repeal of the 17th Amendment and let the States choose whom to send to the Senate.  Put an end to these career hucksters, agitators, and instigators.


Yes, because every Senator before the 17th was a model of Ciceroian moral turpitude.  Right....

Look: to pass an Amendment requires that the Senate (and House) pass the Amendment, and then an overwhelming majority of state legislatures vote for it.  So the very people benefiting from the old system voted to change that system.  The foxes voted to remove themselves from henhouse guard duty.    Considering the general level of corruption found in most state legislatures in early 20th century America, think about how bad the system was that they considered it a bridge too far.  In modern terms it would be like major corporations spending obscene amounts of money to make sure politicians were elected who would pass laws raising corporate taxes, ending tax loopholes, and massively increasing corporate regulation; all because the corporations realized they were too greedy.  Or the Mafia deciding organized crime was too ruinous to people's lives.  I mean, not even the SCA injects themselves with y. pestus to get that old-timey, originalist flair
 
2014-07-16 08:56:08 PM  

grimlock1972: Bork was simply unfit to serve on the SCOTUS.    To this day i boggles my mind how the GOP thought his nomination would go through.


That about sums it up right there.
 
2014-07-16 09:11:49 PM  

Gary-L: Benevolent Misanthrope: Sen. Orrin Hatch (R-Utah), the longest-serving Republican in the Senate who again opposed White's confirmation, blamed Democrats for starting the confirmation wars. "They started this stuff," he told Kane. "I go way back when they started pulling this crap. . . It basically started with Bork. He was treated terribly."

Bork was opposed because he wanted to overturn Roe v. Wade and didn't believe the Constitution included a right to privacy.  The GOP backed him along party lines, and the Dems opposed him the same way - but if the GOP today were to get an Obama nominee who said that there is no Constitutional right to privacy (and can't or won't give his interpretation on the 4th Amendment in light of that view), they'd Bork him so hard he'd be bowlegged for a month.


In other words, Orrin Hatch wants to treat the duties and responsibilities of the Senate like Palestine and Israel -- "THEY STARTED IT!"

How juvenile, irresponsible, and reprehensible.

Just another reason why I support the repeal of the 17th Amendment and let the States choose whom to send to the Senate.  Put an end to these career hucksters, agitators, and instigators.


Yes, so we can go back to the good old days, like when Obama resigned his Senate seat to become president and it was sold off to the highest bidder by the Governor of Illinois. Think big money owns Congress now? Wait till you see what happens when they only need to pay off a few people in twenty six state legislatures.
 
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