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(Yahoo)   The House GOP slashes the enforcement budget of the IRS by 25%, plans to make them spend the other 75% finding lost hard drives of auditors who tried to actually do their jobs and investigate tax cheats   (news.yahoo.com) divider line 120
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2014-07-16 01:51:54 PM  
This is my surprised face.

They said they were going to do this sometime around January.
The only actual surprise is that it took them this long to get around to it.
 
2014-07-16 02:00:10 PM  
Since auditing rich people is expensive, I predict these audits will tickle down.
 
2014-07-16 02:00:35 PM  
Republicans: the pro-tax fraud party.
 
2014-07-16 02:00:40 PM  
1. Cut budget.
2. Wait for problems.
3. "Why are we paying so much for an ineffective agency?"
4. GOTO 1
 
2014-07-16 02:27:33 PM  

incendi: 1. Cut budget.
2. Wait for problems.
3. "Why are we paying so much for an ineffective agency?"

4. "Everybody vote GOP!  We are fiscally responsible and will fix everything!"
5.  Win election
6.  fark things up more
7. a. Blame Democrats
    b. Scare the stupid people into voting GOP because GAYS!  COMMUNISM!  IMMIGRANTS!!!!!11!
8. GO TO 5
 
2014-07-16 02:57:23 PM  
GOP - shrinking the size of government to the point they can smother it with a pillow.
 
2014-07-16 03:04:42 PM  
The current GOP in Congress have shown us time and time again that they don't even have the first clue how to govern nor any real desire to do so.

That noted, they do know how to rile up their base with baseless accusations, posturing and pure propaganda in order to write legislation that favors those who game the system.

So there's that.
 
2014-07-16 03:10:24 PM  
THIS is why the keyword targeting thing in cincinnatti happened, you farking morons.
 
2014-07-16 03:21:20 PM  

FlashHarry: THIS is why the keyword targeting thing in cincinnatti happened, you farking morons.


Psst... they know this already
 
2014-07-16 03:54:42 PM  
Which we know, because we have the emails from someone who chose to testify to operational legality, rather than plead the fifth?
 
2014-07-16 03:56:06 PM  
1) Demand Obama faithfully execute the law.
2) Cut funding so Obama can't faithfully execute the law.
3) Profit?
 
2014-07-16 03:57:18 PM  
This should be a good thread
 
2014-07-16 03:57:29 PM  
Can't pass tax cuts? then Cut Tax Enforcement's Budget
 
2014-07-16 03:58:01 PM  
But all tax is theft so why should my tax money be going to help the government steal?  Everyone knows that the only reason to have a federal government is to pay for the largest, most horrifying, most bloated military machine the world has ever known and to prosecute wars because America.  This, of course, does not cost any tax money - or maybe a few bucks per person once we get rid of food stamps and those 50,000 Mexican kids.
 
2014-07-16 03:58:16 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: Since auditing rich people is expensive, I predict these audits will tickle down.



"This is relevant to my interests."


sternassociates.com

 
2014-07-16 03:59:52 PM  

Serious Black: 1) Demand Obama faithfully execute the law.
2) Cut funding so Obama can't faithfully execute the law.
3) Profit?


You're a little mistaken:

1) Do everything possible to impede Obama's execution of the law.
2) Demand Obama faithfully execute the law, including the laws you want repealed.
3) Sue Obama for not implementing the laws you wish weren't laws to begin with.
4) ???
5) American Utopia.
 
2014-07-16 04:01:52 PM  
I'd love to start a FB war with this article but too busy this week. I'll bookmark and save for when people are complaining how we aren't getting all the taxes we are owed by corporations and its fartbongo's fault
 
2014-07-16 04:02:25 PM  
there was a time when congressmen had shame and did these things away from the light of day.

come to think if it it was before women in congress. study it out.
 
2014-07-16 04:02:47 PM  
Calm down guys. Next time there's a republican in the White House; you guys can take your turn being the party of NOPE.
 
2014-07-16 04:03:17 PM  

Serious Black: 1) Demand Obama faithfully execute the law.
2) Cut funding so Obama can't faithfully execute the law.
3) Profit?


Pretty much... and then when Obama decides what he has the funds to enforce.. they get all bent out of shape.

But I digress... the IRS needs a serious whooping.. only because they have such bad data retention policies... ALL the records of all the employees should be saved so that eventually they can be revealed by the freedom of information act.

IRS's IT department needs to be investigated.. big time for incompetence.
 
2014-07-16 04:04:12 PM  

machoprogrammer: This should be a good thread


I'm waiting for the Paulbots and Randriods to show up.  Then I'm getting the popcorn.
 
2014-07-16 04:05:35 PM  

Curious: there was a time when congressmen had shame and did these things away from the light of day.

come to think if it it was before women in congress. study it out.


I have it from a reliable source that Congressional Mayberry never existed and we've always been contentious farks that can't get anything done.

/ PIDDLE, TWIDDLE AND RESOLVE; NOT ONE DAMN THING DO WE SOLVE!
 
2014-07-16 04:06:25 PM  
Run them lean, get them self-conscious, give them money when they show they can get things done.

In the long run, this may actually help the IRS get their shiat in gear.
 
2014-07-16 04:09:52 PM  

incendi: 1. Cut budget.
2. Wait for problems.
3. "Why are we paying so much for an ineffective agency?"
4. GOTO 1


Yep, they've been doing this with Education too, especially across the country at the state level.
 
2014-07-16 04:09:53 PM  
So I should just stop paying my taxes in April?
 
2014-07-16 04:10:53 PM  

BlastYoBoots: incendi: 1. Cut budget.
2. Wait for problems.
3. "Why are we paying so much for an ineffective agency?"
4. GOTO 1

Yep, they've been doing this with Education too, especially across the country at the state level.


examples include, PA, WI, MI, OH, IN
 
2014-07-16 04:10:54 PM  
I'm waiting for the Republicans to try to abolish the FDA and OSHA.  We'll just see about that.
 
2014-07-16 04:13:25 PM  

DeathByGeekSquad: Run them lean, get them self-conscious, give them money when they show they can get things done.

In the long run, this may actually help the IRS get their shiat in gear.


Because obviously, the IRS wasn't doing a critical job or anything...

/morans, morans everywhere
 
2014-07-16 04:14:00 PM  
"The use of a government agency to harass, target, intimidate and threaten lawful, honest citizens was the worst form of authoritarianism," said Rep. Paul Gosar, R-Ariz


oh wow.
 
2014-07-16 04:14:40 PM  

dwrash: Serious Black: 1) Demand Obama faithfully execute the law.
2) Cut funding so Obama can't faithfully execute the law.
3) Profit?

Pretty much... and then when Obama decides what he has the funds to enforce.. they get all bent out of shape.

But I digress... the IRS needs a serious whooping.. only because they have such bad data retention policies... ALL the records of all the employees should be saved so that eventually they can be revealed by the freedom of information act.

IRS's IT department needs to be investigated.. big time for incompetence.


LOL, armchair records managers/ archivist talking out of their asses is one of the funniest parts of this thing.
Yeah, all records are of equal value and should be accessioned into the National Archives... it's not like the Federal Records Centers and the archives aren't already cramped for space.

There are reasons why records series are appraised and scheduled by the NARA and the Federal agencies and that they are not all permanent.
 
2014-07-16 04:15:04 PM  

incendi: FlashHarry: THIS is why the keyword targeting thing in cincinnatti happened, you farking morons.

Psst... they know this already


While we're at it, this is also why the IRS was only storing email backup tapes for six months.

/yes, they know that too.
 
2014-07-16 04:15:27 PM  

dwrash: . ALL the records of all the employees should be saved so that eventually they can be revealed by the freedom of information act.


Why?
 
2014-07-16 04:16:57 PM  

DeathByGeekSquad: Run them lean, get them self-conscious, give them money when they show they can get things done.

In the long run, this may actually help the IRS get their shiat in gear.


IRS auditors should get bonus's according to how much money (preferably a percentage of) they're able to bring back to the government. That's how they'd do it in the private sector, and I can't see how that would ever have a bad unintended consequence.
 
2014-07-16 04:18:53 PM  

RowdyRough: IRS auditors should get bonus's according to how much money (preferably a percentage of) they're able to bring back to the government. That's how they'd do it in the private sector, and I can't see how that would ever have a bad unintended consequence.


That'd make tax fraud easier for the poors and harder for the real people though!
 
2014-07-16 04:19:57 PM  

Isitoveryet: "The use of a government agency to harass, target, intimidate and threaten lawful, honest citizens was the worst form of authoritarianism," said Rep. Paul Gosar, R-Ariz


oh wow.


Um ... erm ... ooof
 
2014-07-16 04:20:40 PM  

DeathByGeekSquad: Run them lean, get them self-conscious, give them money when they show they can get things done.

In the long run, this may actually help the IRS get their shiat in gear.


You do realize that IRS budgets are already "Running lean" because of sequestration?

This basically allows rich overentitled people/"Sovereign citizen" types to breathe even easier and allow them to steal even more revenue from you and I.. But since that's the GOP's aim all along....
 
2014-07-16 04:21:55 PM  

Isitoveryet: "The use of a government agency to harass, target, intimidate and threaten lawful, honest citizens was the worst form of authoritarianism," said Rep. Paul Gosar, R-Ariz


oh wow.


Good thing they were targeting Tea Party groups, then.
 
2014-07-16 04:22:37 PM  

SphericalTime: Republicans: the pro-tax fraud party.


I'm pretty sure I've heard republicans support this without a hint of irony.
 
2014-07-16 04:23:58 PM  
This is the worst example of a witch hunt.  The IRS was investigating entities that were claiming to be tax exempt but, in fact, engaging in prohibited political activities.  They did this by focusing on the large number of newly organized entities using a political name  - "Tea Party".  Why in the world was that a problem? This idiotic notion that everything is equal and there are two sides to everything is just killing us.  So now if 1000 "tea party" groups pop up and are engaging in really questionable activities, they have to go out and find 1000 entities that are probably liberal just to be "fair"? Total bullshiat.
 
2014-07-16 04:24:04 PM  

Nadie_AZ: Isitoveryet: "The use of a government agency to harass, target, intimidate and threaten lawful, honest citizens was the worst form of authoritarianism," said Rep. Paul Gosar, R-Ariz


oh wow.

Um ... erm ... ooof


Should've just stuck with "citizens"... definitely overplayed his hand a bit there.
 
2014-07-16 04:26:25 PM  

Headso: So I should just stop paying my taxes in April?


25% of them.
 
2014-07-16 04:28:49 PM  

IvyLady: The IRS was investigating entities that were claiming to be tax exempt but, in fact, engaging in prohibited political activities.


not true. note that none of the groups in question - right or left - were denied their 501(c)(4) categorization

IvyLady: They did this by focusing on the large number of newly organized entities using a political name  - "Tea Party".  Why in the world was that a problem?


because 501(c)(4)s are allowed to engage in political activity including explicitly supporting a particular party. see: www.barackobama.com, the website of OFA, a 501(c)(4) that exists solely to engage in political activity

IvyLady: So now if 1000 "tea party" groups pop up and are engaging in really questionable activities, they have to go out and find 1000 entities that are probably liberal just to be "fair"?


no, what they could do is select groups for deeper examination based on actual financial data and irs regulations. selecting based on names is like selecting cars to pull over for speeding based on spoiler size rather than how fast they were going
 
2014-07-16 04:29:00 PM  

quatchi: The current GOP in Congress have shown us time and time again that they don't even have the first clue how to govern nor any real desire to do so.

That noted, they do know how to rile up their base with baseless accusations, posturing and pure propaganda in order to write legislation that favors those who game the system.

So there's that.


It's not that they don't know HOW to govern. It's that their entire goal is to "drown it in a bathtub".
 
2014-07-16 04:29:42 PM  

Herb Utsmelz: I'm waiting for the Republicans to try to abolish the FDA and OSHA.  We'll just see about that.



And EPA......
 
2014-07-16 04:31:16 PM  

iheartscotch: I have it from a reliable source that Congressional Mayberry never existed


i don't have the source handy but there was a lengthy article some time back about the good old days. you know in the 60s and 70s when congressmen brought their wives and actually lived in DC. ok virginia but you know what i meant. it went on about how the wives were the social glue and everybody ate and drank together both at official stuff and home parties. congressmen may not have been best buddies one to another but their friends were picked more for individual qualities than by party. it may not have been mayberry or utopian but it was a damn sight better than now.
 
2014-07-16 04:33:05 PM  

IvyLady: This is the worst example of a witch hunt.  The IRS was investigating entities that were claiming to be tax exempt but, in fact, engaging in prohibited political activities.  They did this by focusing on the large number of newly organized entities using a political name  - "Tea Party".  Why in the world was that a problem? This idiotic notion that everything is equal and there are two sides to everything is just killing us.  So now if 1000 "tea party" groups pop up and are engaging in really questionable activities, they have to go out and find 1000 entities that are probably liberal just to be "fair"? Total bullshiat.


If it is a witch-hunt, that means there is a witch!

But seriously, the number of 501(3)c's (or whatevers. I'm not on the right computer with the copy pasta) exploded to like 12-20 times normal in just a couple of years.

If you took a random sampling of 5 balls from 17 red balls, 2 blue balls and 1 green ball, you don't get to complain when most of the balls are red.
 
2014-07-16 04:33:28 PM  

sprawl15: IvyLady: The IRS was investigating entities that were claiming to be tax exempt but, in fact, engaging in prohibited political activities.

not true. note that none of the groups in question - right or left - were denied their 501(c)(4) categorization

IvyLady: They did this by focusing on the large number of newly organized entities using a political name  - "Tea Party".  Why in the world was that a problem?

because 501(c)(4)s are allowed to engage in political activity including explicitly supporting a particular party. see: www.barackobama.com, the website of OFA, a 501(c)(4) that exists solely to engage in political activity

IvyLady: So now if 1000 "tea party" groups pop up and are engaging in really questionable activities, they have to go out and find 1000 entities that are probably liberal just to be "fair"?

no, what they could do is select groups for deeper examination based on actual financial data and irs regulations. selecting based on names is like selecting cars to pull over for speeding based on spoiler size rather than how fast they were going


How exactly does one decide from which entities to get said financial data? What data? I think that one of the big problems with this issue is that people don't understand the process or facts, at all.  You're suggesting using the end result as the criteria for starting the process.  That's not physically possible.
 
2014-07-16 04:43:03 PM  

Serious Black: 1) Demand Obama faithfully execute the law.
2) Cut funding so Obama can't faithfully execute the law.
3) Profit?


You forgot the impeaching.
 
2014-07-16 04:43:25 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: dwrash: . ALL the records of all the employees should be saved so that eventually they can be revealed by the freedom of information act.

Why?


Because they work for US... and its the only honest thing to do.

I wonder if they are still enforcing the policy that government officials are NOT allowed to use personal or other publicly available email accounts for official business... Wasn't there a big brew ha ha about someone using yahoo mail to avoid having their emails saved?
 
2014-07-16 04:44:20 PM  
The IRS (like any other government agency) is a bloated waste of taxpayer money. When the IRS hires someone, that person works next to someone who stopped doing their job long ago. The new hire does their new job for a while, until they realize they won't get fired if they stop doing their work. When the new person stops doing their work, a new person is hired to do the work. Rinse and repeat. It's a huge group of people not doing their jobs.
 
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