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(Utah People's Post)   Minnesota Vikings deny they confirmed they denied a report that confirmed assistant coach's denial that Chris Kluwe confirmed   (utahpeoplespost.com) divider line 91
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2014-07-16 04:18:28 PM  
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2014-07-16 05:06:30 PM  
What's a Utah's People's Post?
 
2014-07-16 05:07:06 PM  
Yeah, they are about to be out a shiat load of cash for blatant religious discrimination in employment, and that's before we get to the PR nightmare of the organization harboring and promoting openly anti-gay bigots in their management structure at the exact same time the NFL is trying to pretend that they are gay-friendly
 
2014-07-16 05:11:59 PM  
After reading the headline, I picked the wrong week to stop sniffing glue.


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2014-07-16 05:24:26 PM  
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2014-07-16 05:30:17 PM  

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2014-07-16 05:31:04 PM  

Lost Thought 00: Yeah, they are about to be out a shiat load of cash for blatant religious discrimination in employment, and that's before we get to the PR nightmare of the organization harboring and promoting openly anti-gay bigots in their management structure at the exact same time the NFL is trying to pretend that they are gay-friendly


Hardly. The rantings of one guy, who is trying to extend his 15 minutes, don't mean much.
 
2014-07-16 05:40:22 PM  

Ow! That was my feelings!: Hardly. The rantings of one guy, who is trying to extend his 15 minutes, don't mean much.


What does Kluwe himself have to do with the larger point? If the formal investigation says it has corroborating accounts of some dumbass coach saying really dumbass, anti-gay things, then it's a big deal.
 
2014-07-16 05:41:01 PM  
If the NFL was as "inclusive" as they want us to believe, this guy would have been picked up by another club. He's a better punter than a lot of other guys.
 
2014-07-16 05:44:50 PM  

Killer Cars: Ow! That was my feelings!: Hardly. The rantings of one guy, who is trying to extend his 15 minutes, don't mean much.

What does Kluwe himself have to do with the larger point? If the formal investigation says it has corroborating accounts of some dumbass coach saying really dumbass, anti-gay things, then it's a big deal.


Pretty sure to Kluwe, he is the point. And who cares what some assistant allegedly said. He said/he said, unless there is audio.

NOT a big deal, unless your name is Kluwe.
 
2014-07-16 05:45:43 PM  

bingethinker: If the NFL was as "inclusive" as they want us to believe, this guy would have been picked up by another club. He's a better punter than a lot of other guys.


I was about to respond with "Isn't he close to 40?" but then I wiki'd it. Turns out, he's a few months younger than me (he was born December '81).

It's far more likely teams don't want a free-thinker on their teams (it's possible they may also specifically dislike his outspoken liberalism - the power structures in the NFL are, like most of the type, run mostly by conservatives), the kind of guy who might disrupt a meeting by picketing for a living wage or pooping on a cop car or something.

You never know with them tricksy libs.

// same reason police departments don't want college grads - they rationally deliberate too much and reflexively obey too little
 
2014-07-16 05:48:04 PM  
He should have gotten another job. He was blackballed pure and simple.
 
2014-07-16 05:53:40 PM  
I like his t-shirt:  "Punters are Sheeple Too"
 
2014-07-16 05:54:31 PM  
I'm torn between "Massive Douche" and "Super Cool Guy" on Kluwe.

I heard him on Nerdist podcast last year, he seeemd pretty cool, but some of his writings are just over the top (although I basically agree with him 100% on being pro-gay rights and some other stuff he's written about.  So he seeems pretty damn cool but.....a bit attention whore-y/blowhardy, hence "Massive Douche".

His book was unfinishable.  I tried, it was easy reading, some of it was entertaining, but there was an undercurrent of "guys, i have lots of cool ideas, everybody shut up and listen to me, seriously, i have all the answers" which goes back to massive douche.  dunno.

the other thing i hated about his book is every little chapter/story thingie ended with one portentous sentence, which is a trend in sportswriting i hate.  every godamn sports column i guess per federal law, must end in one sentence.  go read any ESPN/SI/Foxsports/CBS column.  every opinion piece -- usually not every game recap -- ends with that One Important Sentence, and it just seems douchey.
 
2014-07-16 05:55:36 PM  

Piizzadude: He should have gotten another job. He was blackballed pure and simple.


You are a punter. You bad mouth your team. You are not a punter.

He blackballed himself.
 
2014-07-16 05:57:01 PM  

Piizzadude: He should have gotten another job. He was blackballed pure and simple.


He was on Rome today and sounded at peace with the whole thing. He also sounded like he will be vindicated by the lawsuit, and if he wins the case the damages will go to LGBT charities.

Seems like a cool guy, hope he wins.
 
2014-07-16 06:01:04 PM  

Ow! That was my feelings!: Pretty sure to Kluwe, he is the point. And who cares what some assistant allegedly said. He said/he said, unless there is audio.NOT a big deal, unless your name is Kluwe.


You can dislike Kluwe all you want, but billion-dollar entities performing an investigation because of claims made by a single ex-employee are kind of a big deal to more than one person. Particularly when said entity is part of the NFL whose current commissioner is (by all stated accounts) pretty favorable to zee LGBTs.
 
2014-07-16 06:05:00 PM  

Killer Cars: Ow! That was my feelings!: Pretty sure to Kluwe, he is the point. And who cares what some assistant allegedly said. He said/he said, unless there is audio.NOT a big deal, unless your name is Kluwe.

You can dislike Kluwe all you want, but billion-dollar entities performing an investigation because of claims made by a single ex-employee are kind of a big deal to more than one person. Particularly when said entity is part of the NFL whose current commissioner is (by all stated accounts) pretty favorable to zee LGBTs.


Corporate structures perform investigations based on risk analysis, not 'credible' claims. Kluwe is an attention whore.
 
2014-07-16 06:11:37 PM  

Ow! That was my feelings!: Piizzadude: He should have gotten another job. He was blackballed pure and simple.

You are a punter. You bad mouth your team. You are not a punter.

He blackballed himself.


That may be true but it is not like he killed a guy or anything. Other players have gotten second chances for much less.

fatalvenom: Piizzadude: He should have gotten another job. He was blackballed pure and simple.

He was on Rome today and sounded at peace with the whole thing. He also sounded like he will be vindicated by the lawsuit, and if he wins the case the damages will go to LGBT charities.

Seems like a cool guy, hope he wins.


That is the impression that I have gotten out of his writings and interviews.
 
2014-07-16 06:19:46 PM  

Piizzadude: That may be true but it is not like he killed a guy or anything. Other players have gotten second chances for much less.


Publically bad mouth your boss, other bosses notice. Welcome to the real world.

//also, he's a punter.
 
2014-07-16 06:37:49 PM  

Ow! That was my feelings!: Killer Cars: Ow! That was my feelings!: Pretty sure to Kluwe, he is the point. And who cares what some assistant allegedly said. He said/he said, unless there is audio.NOT a big deal, unless your name is Kluwe.

You can dislike Kluwe all you want, but billion-dollar entities performing an investigation because of claims made by a single ex-employee are kind of a big deal to more than one person. Particularly when said entity is part of the NFL whose current commissioner is (by all stated accounts) pretty favorable to zee LGBTs.

Corporate structures perform investigations based on risk analysis, not 'credible' claims. Kluwe is an attention whore.


How dare he expect to be treated like a human being.
 
2014-07-16 06:39:37 PM  
The alleged event first became public through an op ed Kluwe published in Deadspin on January 2 this year. He described Priefer's homophobic behavior, which had occurred throughout the 2012 season. Among them, Kluwe wrote, the coach had said "We should round up all the gays, send them to an island and nuke it until it glows", during a team meeting in November 2012. "Tons of gays, all on one island, and glowing like there's no tomorrow," Priefer added. "Some sort of 'fire island,' even. And with all the flames, I'm sure it would be hot, so they'd be running around sweaty and half-naked trying to escape the heat, but they just can't. Because it's so hot. Anyway, shower time, men."
 
2014-07-16 06:42:53 PM  

Ow! That was my feelings!: Piizzadude: That may be true but it is not like he killed a guy or anything. Other players have gotten second chances for much less.

Publically bad mouth your boss, other bosses notice. Welcome to the real world.

//also, he's a punter.


A punter that's kicking the crap out of the Vikings organization.
 
2014-07-16 06:50:02 PM  
He was hired by another team last year. The Raiders. And he got beaten by a better punter for that job
 
2014-07-16 06:53:21 PM  
Is Kluwe finally out of the closet? Or can he sue for being damaged by hearing gay slurs even when he is not himself gay? because if so imma sue Drew for all the mean srtuff you guys say about queers and Republicans and what have you.
 
2014-07-16 07:02:00 PM  

mikaloyd: Is Kluwe finally out of the closet? Or can he sue for being damaged by hearing gay slurs even when he is not himself gay? because if so imma sue Drew for all the mean srtuff you guys say about queers and Republicans and what have you.


Well, if you were vocal about a civil right issue and your supervisor who knew about it decided to denigrat the civil rights issue you were vocal about and then you lost your job, there might be some stench of wrongful dismissal about that.  Especially if the company decided to investigate what happened and told you they'd release their findings... and then didn't...  well that seems a little fishier.
 
2014-07-16 07:03:46 PM  

mikaloyd: Or can he sue for being damaged by hearing gay slurs even when he is not himself gay?


Yes, he can.

because if so imma sue Drew for all the mean srtuff you guys say about queers and Republicans and what have you.

Have fun, but unlike Kluwe and the Vikings, you're not Drew's employee and this isn't your workplace.
 
2014-07-16 07:20:03 PM  

Wadded Beef: Ow! That was my feelings!: Piizzadude: That may be true but it is not like he killed a guy or anything. Other players have gotten second chances for much less.

Publically bad mouth your boss, other bosses notice. Welcome to the real world.

//also, he's a punter.

A punter that's kicking the crap out of the Vikings organization.


Him being a punter should not cause collusion among the entire NFL. He is hardly the first person to call out his owner. He is one of the few, in his prime above average players, to never find another job.
 
2014-07-16 07:25:45 PM  

Piizzadude: Him being a punter should not cause collusion among the entire NFL. He is hardly the first person to call out his owner. He is one of the few, in his prime above average players, to never find another job.


He did find another job you dolt. With the Raiders. But a better punter beat him out of that job.
 
2014-07-16 07:25:57 PM  

bingethinker: If the NFL was as "inclusive" as they want us to believe, this guy would have been picked up by another club. He's a better punter than a lot of other guys.


More important for that position than collective stats is consistency, i.e. "not farking up and screwing over your defense".
Kluwe was slumping and had more than one bad game.

The other part of it is the CBA. IIRC he was due to make veteran's minimum, most teams would rather take a chance on a younger punter they can pay way less money, and save the cap room for other positions, not to mention have a punter who doesn't appear to be on a sharp downward slope (consistency-wise).

I'm sure the Vikings were happy to rid themselves of the headache, but if he really were still the elite impact player he saw himself as, a team would have picked him up.

NFL Teams will deal with all sorts of headaches if they think a player can help them win games. Kluwe... not so much.

//I usually enjoyed reading him
 
2014-07-16 07:30:25 PM  
Favorite thing from Kluwe:

oi59.tinypic.com
 
2014-07-16 07:31:07 PM  

Theaetetus: Have fun, but unlike Kluwe and the Vikings, you're not Drew's employee and this isn't your workplace.


I gfuess I dont get why Kluwe, for instance, should get paid after they said homophobic things but Adrian Peterson, for example,  doesnt. It would seem that all hetero athletes on the Vikings suffered equally. I could even see where Miichael Sams was damaged even though he was not in the league yet. Kluwe though? Not really.
 
2014-07-16 07:33:21 PM  

mikaloyd: Piizzadude: Him being a punter should not cause collusion among the entire NFL. He is hardly the first person to call out his owner. He is one of the few, in his prime above average players, to never find another job.

He did find another job you dolt. With the Raiders. But a better punter beat him out of that job.


Yeah he was pretty good and I am sure that it was a tough competition. There were plenty of other teams that had worse punters than his last year.

Tryout does not equal job. There were jobs to be had.

Besides the Raiders would give Titus Young a tryout if for no reason to stick it to the NFL.
 
2014-07-16 07:33:27 PM  

mikaloyd: I gfuess I dont get why Kluwe, for instance, should get paid after they said homophobic things but Adrian Peterson, for example, doesnt. It would seem that all hetero athletes on the Vikings suffered equally. I could even see where Miichael Sams was damaged even though he was not in the league yet. Kluwe though? Not really.


Who said Adrian Peterson shouldn't get paid?

Exhibit A: Adrian Peterson is from Texas
Exhibit B: Adrian Peterson is not a steer
 
2014-07-16 07:33:39 PM  

mikaloyd: Theaetetus: Have fun, but unlike Kluwe and the Vikings, you're not Drew's employee and this isn't your workplace.

I gfuess I dont get why Kluwe, for instance, should get paid after they said homophobic things but Adrian Peterson, for example, doesnt.


Has Peterson filed suit? That's probably your first clue as to why he wouldn't get paid.

It would seem that all hetero athletes on the Vikings suffered equally. I could even see where Miichael Sams was damaged even though he was not in the league yet. Kluwe though? Not really.

Do you remember hearing the phrase "hostile work environment" during that training you goofed off through?
 
2014-07-16 07:39:20 PM  

Mercutio74: mikaloyd: Is Kluwe finally out of the closet? Or can he sue for being damaged by hearing gay slurs even when he is not himself gay? because if so imma sue Drew for all the mean srtuff you guys say about queers and Republicans and what have you.

Well, if you were vocal about a civil right issue and your supervisor who knew about it decided to denigrat the civil rights issue you were vocal about and then you lost your job, there might be some stench of wrongful dismissal about that.  Especially if the company decided to investigate what happened and told you they'd release their findings... and then didn't...  well that seems a little fishier.


Ohmygodwhocares.gif
 
2014-07-16 07:44:54 PM  

Piizzadude: Wadded Beef: Ow! That was my feelings!: Piizzadude: That may be true but it is not like he killed a guy or anything. Other players have gotten second chances for much less.

Publically bad mouth your boss, other bosses notice. Welcome to the real world.

//also, he's a punter.

A punter that's kicking the crap out of the Vikings organization.

Him being a punter should not cause collusion among the entire NFL. He is hardly the first person to call out his owner. He is one of the few, in his prime above average players, to never find another job.


Why do you assume collusion? Maybe his publicly being a pain in the ass made other teams not want to hire the pain in the ass.
 
2014-07-16 07:53:09 PM  

Dr Dreidel: bingethinker: If the NFL was as "inclusive" as they want us to believe, this guy would have been picked up by another club. He's a better punter than a lot of other guys.

I was about to respond with "Isn't he close to 40?" but then I wiki'd it. Turns out, he's a few months younger than me (he was born December '81).

It's far more likely teams don't want a free-thinker on their teams (it's possible they may also specifically dislike his outspoken liberalism - the power structures in the NFL are, like most of the type, run mostly by conservatives), the kind of guy who might disrupt a meeting by picketing for a living wage or pooping on a cop car or something.

You never know with them tricksy libs.

// same reason police departments don't want college grads - they rationally deliberate too much and reflexively obey too little


bingethinker: If the NFL was as "inclusive" as they want us to believe, this guy would have been picked up by another club. He's a better punter than a lot of other guys.


No, they cut him because he was a below-average punter making the veteran minimum. He was ranked 22nd (or around there) his last year with Minnesota and the veteran minimum was $800k. For $800k per year for a below average punter, you are going to draft a new guy so you can pay him less than half as much.


Piizzadude: Him being a punter should not cause collusion among the entire NFL. He is hardly the first person to call out his owner. He is one of the few, in his prime above average players, to never find another job.


Except he was a below-average punter and he DID get signed by the Raiders but was beat out by another guy in training camp.
 
2014-07-16 07:54:37 PM  
Look at his stats compared to the rest of the league:  http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/player/_/stat/punting/sort/puntYard s /year/2012

He was not very good
 
2014-07-16 07:55:28 PM  

Piizzadude: Tryout does not equal job.


They signed him. Thats a job. Then they cut him when Marquette King was better. Kluwe thanked the Raiders and congratulated King.
 
2014-07-16 08:03:01 PM  

Theaetetus: Do you remember hearing the phrase "hostile work environment" during that training you goofed off through?


I goof off through all training. Maybe I should sue.
 
2014-07-16 08:04:24 PM  

mikaloyd: Piizzadude: Tryout does not equal job.

They signed him. Thats a job. Then they cut him when Marquette King was better. Kluwe thanked the Raiders and congratulated King.


It is a tryout though. They have to have you under contract to come into camp in the first place. If it was a job there would have been no competition.
 
2014-07-16 08:07:55 PM  

Piizzadude: mikaloyd: Piizzadude: Tryout does not equal job.

They signed him. Thats a job. Then they cut him when Marquette King was better. Kluwe thanked the Raiders and congratulated King.

It is a tryout though. They have to have you under contract to come into camp in the first place. If it was a job there would have been no competition.


Is that the kind of job in the NFL Kluwe deserves? One with no other punters signed from preseason onwards?
 
2014-07-16 08:11:59 PM  

mikaloyd: Piizzadude: mikaloyd: Piizzadude: Tryout does not equal job.

They signed him. Thats a job. Then they cut him when Marquette King was better. Kluwe thanked the Raiders and congratulated King.

It is a tryout though. They have to have you under contract to come into camp in the first place. If it was a job there would have been no competition.

Is that the kind of job in the NFL Kluwe deserves? One with no other punters signed from preseason onwards?


Nevermind that Kluwe was a well below average punter making league veteran minimum, it HAD to be because of his outspoken views!
 
2014-07-16 08:14:03 PM  
Kluwe would be a fun and funny instigator on ESPN opposite Skip Bayless
 
2014-07-16 08:14:08 PM  
It just sounds suspicious. If there was no proof of wrongdoing on the Vikings side, they would of released the report, right?
 
2014-07-16 08:14:16 PM  

machoprogrammer: He was not very good


This does not give the Vikings the right to discriminate against their employees. Their independent investigation proved that they in fact discriminated against him, and by extension every player in the locker room. This is why they backtracked on their original promise to release the results.
 
2014-07-16 08:14:40 PM  

Piizzadude: It is a tryout though. They have to have you under contract to come into camp in the first place. If it was a job there would have been no competition.


An NFL job with no competition? You must be trolling.

machoprogrammer: No, they cut him because he was a below-average punter making the veteran minimum. He was ranked 22nd (or around there) his last year with Minnesota and the veteran minimum was $800k. For $800k per year for a below average punter, you are going to draft a new guy so you can pay him less than half as much.

I looked up his old contract. If the Vikes hadn't cut him, he'd be due $1.45 million - he was being paid to be a top punter (which he had been in previous years).
However, with his noted drop off in production, the Vikes figured they'd be better off cutting him and drafting a replacement, which is what they did. Jeff Locke out of UCLA, a 2.3m contract over 4 years (avg 575k / year).

Kluwe $1.45 m: 22nd in Avg (45.0), 17th in Net (39.7).
J. Locke $575k: 23rd in Avg (44.2), 18th in Net (39.2) - as a rookie, 5th round draft pick (155).

As you said the rest of the league would have to pay him at least 800k.

In general I like Kluwe, but the dude's self absorbed and delusional about the reasons he was cut, and the reason he didn't catch on with another team is above.
 
2014-07-16 08:23:39 PM  

machoprogrammer: mikaloyd: Piizzadude: mikaloyd: Piizzadude: Tryout does not equal job.

They signed him. Thats a job. Then they cut him when Marquette King was better. Kluwe thanked the Raiders and congratulated King.

It is a tryout though. They have to have you under contract to come into camp in the first place. If it was a job there would have been no competition.

Is that the kind of job in the NFL Kluwe deserves? One with no other punters signed from preseason onwards?

Nevermind that Kluwe was a well below average punter making league veteran minimum, it HAD to be because of his outspoken views!


Nevermind that Kluwe was badmouthing his boss; it HAD to be because he sucks!

/I can play that game, too!
 
2014-07-16 08:24:22 PM  

machoprogrammer: Look at his stats compared to the rest of the league:  http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/player/_/stat/punting/sort/puntYard s /year/2012

He was not very good


I recall Kluwe responding to his numbers and basically saying that he was instructed to kick shorter punts because the Vikes special teams couldn't run fast enough down the field to cover, or something to that effect.

That's fine and all, but if you do get beat in competition by an entirely different team where they aren't looking at your numbers last season, your argument doesn't really stand.

I think the reasons for the Vikes cutting Kluwe were about 50/50 his skills and his outspokenness.

Vikings are still an asshole organization.
 
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