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2014-07-16 03:32:42 PM  
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2014-07-16 04:12:46 PM  

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Whaa?
 
2014-07-16 05:00:56 PM  
the bobcats?
 
2014-07-16 05:05:00 PM  

A Fark Handle: the bobcats?


No, the Hornets are back. There's actually an NBA team in Charlotte again.

And this makes the East even more muddled, which is awesome. 15 teams in the Conference, and 12 have a legitimate shot at the playoffs.
 
2014-07-16 05:05:32 PM  
Does anyone want to play Frisbee? It's really nice outside.
 
2014-07-16 05:08:17 PM  
So this makes Charlotte a pretty interesting team:

PG:  Walker, Brian Roberts
SG:  Stephenson, Henderson, Neal, Hairston
SF:  MKG, Taylor
PF:  Marvin Williams, Cody Zeller, Vonleh
C:  Jefferson, Biyombo

Stephen adds a second ball carrier (Josh McRoberts was that guy last season), someone else who can create offense (no more Kobe impersonations from Henderson in the mid-range), and enough range to open up lanes for MKG and Walker.  In a lot of ways, he may be a better fit than Hayward.  However, this is all pending whether or not the additions of PJ "I punch high schoolers" Hairston and Lance Stephenson blow up a pretty close locker room.

Biggest surprise of the Hornets offseason - MKG supposedly has a natural looking shot...
 
2014-07-16 07:19:51 PM  

Doogled: So this makes Charlotte a pretty interesting team:

PG:  Walker, Brian Roberts
SG:  Stephenson, Henderson, Neal, Hairston
SF:  MKG, Taylor
PF:  Marvin Williams, Cody Zeller, Vonleh
C:  Jefferson, Biyombo

Stephen adds a second ball carrier (Josh McRoberts was that guy last season), someone else who can create offense (no more Kobe impersonations from Henderson in the mid-range), and enough range to open up lanes for MKG and Walker.  In a lot of ways, he may be a better fit than Hayward.  However, this is all pending whether or not the additions of PJ "I punch high schoolers" Hairston and Lance Stephenson blow up a pretty close locker room.

Biggest surprise of the Hornets offseason - MKG supposedly has a natural looking shot...


You sound like a Charlotte fan or have some knowledge of the team.  Due to the lack of televised games in my area, I have no idea how their team looks.  However, why was he so offended by the Pacers offer and took basically the same amount?  Maybe he knows why the locker room was falling apart, perhaps he was the reason.  I have to admit, if i could play for one of the two teams, I would pick the Indiana over the Hornets.
 
2014-07-16 07:34:36 PM  

JohnnyRebel88: Doogled: So this makes Charlotte a pretty interesting team:

PG:  Walker, Brian Roberts
SG:  Stephenson, Henderson, Neal, Hairston
SF:  MKG, Taylor
PF:  Marvin Williams, Cody Zeller, Vonleh
C:  Jefferson, Biyombo

Stephen adds a second ball carrier (Josh McRoberts was that guy last season), someone else who can create offense (no more Kobe impersonations from Henderson in the mid-range), and enough range to open up lanes for MKG and Walker.  In a lot of ways, he may be a better fit than Hayward.  However, this is all pending whether or not the additions of PJ "I punch high schoolers" Hairston and Lance Stephenson blow up a pretty close locker room.

Biggest surprise of the Hornets offseason - MKG supposedly has a natural looking shot...

You sound like a Charlotte fan or have some knowledge of the team.  Due to the lack of televised games in my area, I have no idea how their team looks.  However, why was he so offended by the Pacers offer and took basically the same amount?  Maybe he knows why the locker room was falling apart, perhaps he was the reason.  I have to admit, if i could play for one of the two teams, I would pick the Indiana over the Hornets.


From what I've read, the Pacers offer was 5 years and Stephenson supposedly did not want to be locked up for that amount of time.  He's 23 at the time and would be out of his current deal at 26 (if he behaves well enough to get the team option).  So he'd be hitting the market at his prime age and could probably get the max if he lives up to his potential.  Keep in mind, 3 years from now will be after the new CBA, so the max could be quite a bit more (hence LeBron only having a 2 year contract with the Cavs).
 
2014-07-16 09:11:00 PM  

JohnnyRebel88: Doogled: So this makes Charlotte a pretty interesting team:

PG:  Walker, Brian Roberts
SG:  Stephenson, Henderson, Neal, Hairston
SF:  MKG, Taylor
PF:  Marvin Williams, Cody Zeller, Vonleh
C:  Jefferson, Biyombo

Stephen adds a second ball carrier (Josh McRoberts was that guy last season), someone else who can create offense (no more Kobe impersonations from Henderson in the mid-range), and enough range to open up lanes for MKG and Walker.  In a lot of ways, he may be a better fit than Hayward.  However, this is all pending whether or not the additions of PJ "I punch high schoolers" Hairston and Lance Stephenson blow up a pretty close locker room.

Biggest surprise of the Hornets offseason - MKG supposedly has a natural looking shot...

You sound like a Charlotte fan or have some knowledge of the team.  Due to the lack of televised games in my area, I have no idea how their team looks.  However, why was he so offended by the Pacers offer and took basically the same amount?  Maybe he knows why the locker room was falling apart, perhaps he was the reason.  I have to admit, if i could play for one of the two teams, I would pick the Indiana over the Hornets.


He has the skills to be a max or near max player but he's a bit of a nut so he took the shorter deal so he could fark up some more and sign an even smaller contact in 3 years.
 
2014-07-16 09:15:27 PM  

elguerodiablo: JohnnyRebel88: Doogled: So this makes Charlotte a pretty interesting team:

PG:  Walker, Brian Roberts
SG:  Stephenson, Henderson, Neal, Hairston
SF:  MKG, Taylor
PF:  Marvin Williams, Cody Zeller, Vonleh
C:  Jefferson, Biyombo

Stephen adds a second ball carrier (Josh McRoberts was that guy last season), someone else who can create offense (no more Kobe impersonations from Henderson in the mid-range), and enough range to open up lanes for MKG and Walker.  In a lot of ways, he may be a better fit than Hayward.  However, this is all pending whether or not the additions of PJ "I punch high schoolers" Hairston and Lance Stephenson blow up a pretty close locker room.

Biggest surprise of the Hornets offseason - MKG supposedly has a natural looking shot...

You sound like a Charlotte fan or have some knowledge of the team.  Due to the lack of televised games in my area, I have no idea how their team looks.  However, why was he so offended by the Pacers offer and took basically the same amount?  Maybe he knows why the locker room was falling apart, perhaps he was the reason.  I have to admit, if i could play for one of the two teams, I would pick the Indiana over the Hornets.

He has the skills to be a max or near max player but he's a bit of a nut so he took the shorter deal so he could fark up some more and sign an even smaller contact in 3 years.


Pacers fan here. He will never be a max player. He's very good though.

I also really wouldn't be relying on Williams to be your starting 4. I'd be praying that Zeller starts to click, which pains me to say as an IU alum. I'd have thought he'd have been more productive earlier.
 
2014-07-16 09:49:30 PM  
maybe he didn't blow to the hornets...maybe they sucked and brought him in.
 
2014-07-16 09:58:29 PM  
`As a Pacers fan: good riddance to bad rubbish!
 
2014-07-16 10:00:23 PM  

greasefire11: `As a Pacers fan: good riddance to bad rubbish!


And we're gonna replace with with Rodney Stuckey and CJ Miles? I get not wanting him around, but we are in no way shape or form even close to replacing him yet.
 
2014-07-16 11:24:43 PM  

greasefire11: `As a Pacers fan: good riddance to bad rubbish!


Well you team is worse now than it was last season, what's the plan to improve up there?
 
2014-07-17 02:00:03 AM  

TheJoe03: greasefire11: `As a Pacers fan: good riddance to bad rubbish!

Well you team is worse now than it was last season, what's the plan to improve up there?


Given that it's Indiana I would assume the plan is more white players and hope they are Larry Bird...
 
2014-07-17 07:09:08 AM  
The Bucks should have signed Stephenson. Jason Kidd was born to coach this guy. I'm serious. I'm bummed about it.
 
2014-07-17 07:20:03 AM  
I like this move a lot. The East is getting to be more jumbled and fun.

JohnnyRebel88: You sound like a Charlotte fan or have some knowledge of the team. Due to the lack of televised games in my area, I have no idea how their team looks. However, why was he so offended by the Pacers offer and took basically the same amount? Maybe he knows why the locker room was falling apart, perhaps he was the reason. I have to admit, if i could play for one of the two teams, I would pick the Indiana over the Hornets.


I have it from a reliable source that the Danny Granger trade poisoned the locker room because he was incredibly popular with the vets on the Pacers.  Also, Evan Truner was hated by the vets.  There is a reason he didnt play down the stretch and it has something to do with David West saying, "Bench that motherfarker."  Lance by all reports was a nice guy and a pleasant teammate.

West is the leader and he needs to regalvanize that team or they will continue to spin out of control.
 
2014-07-17 12:14:46 PM  

Doogled: From what I've read, the Pacers offer was 5 years and Stephenson supposedly did not want to be locked up for that amount of time.  He's 23 at the time and would be out of his current deal at 26 (if he behaves well enough to get the team option).  So he'd be hitting the market at his prime age and could probably get the max if he lives up to his potential.  Keep in mind, 3 years from now will be after the new CBA, so the max could be quite a bit more (hence LeBron only having a 2 year contract with the Cavs).


Even if he doesn't get the max under the next CBA and television deal, the (likely) higher salary cap will lead to contract inflation for non-max players. His thinking was probably that he could sign this 3 and then a 2 year contract and make out like a bandit in comparison to Indiana's offer under almost any circumstances. Even if he goes full JR Smith and destroys his contract value.
 
2014-07-17 12:23:54 PM  

Gunny Highway: I like this move a lot. The East is getting to be more jumbled and fun.

JohnnyRebel88: You sound like a Charlotte fan or have some knowledge of the team. Due to the lack of televised games in my area, I have no idea how their team looks. However, why was he so offended by the Pacers offer and took basically the same amount? Maybe he knows why the locker room was falling apart, perhaps he was the reason. I have to admit, if i could play for one of the two teams, I would pick the Indiana over the Hornets.

I have it from a reliable source that the Danny Granger trade poisoned the locker room because he was incredibly popular with the vets on the Pacers.  Also, Evan Truner was hated by the vets.  There is a reason he didnt play down the stretch and it has something to do with David West saying, "Bench that motherfarker."  Lance by all reports was a nice guy and a pleasant teammate.

West is the leader and he needs to regalvanize that team or they will continue to spin out of control.


Granger was popular but the trade wasn't the lockerroom killer (per the Pacers beat reporter anyway).

I don't know if Turner was the most popular guy in the lockerroom, but the things that caused the landslide were

1) Hibbert's confidence going in the shiatter. This was theoretically due to the Bynum signing, but the rumor that George was banging his sidetrim is much funnier.

2) Lance completely changing his style of play due to the all star snub (and it was a snub). That was the genesis of the "selfish dudes" comment by Hibbert, which drove down his confidence even further.

3) CJ Watson getting injured. His injury completely derailed the bench, so they relied more on Lance to do backup ball handling, which just magnified issue #2.
 
2014-07-17 12:51:10 PM  

redmid17: Gunny Highway: I like this move a lot. The East is getting to be more jumbled and fun.

JohnnyRebel88: You sound like a Charlotte fan or have some knowledge of the team. Due to the lack of televised games in my area, I have no idea how their team looks. However, why was he so offended by the Pacers offer and took basically the same amount? Maybe he knows why the locker room was falling apart, perhaps he was the reason. I have to admit, if i could play for one of the two teams, I would pick the Indiana over the Hornets.

I have it from a reliable source that the Danny Granger trade poisoned the locker room because he was incredibly popular with the vets on the Pacers.  Also, Evan Truner was hated by the vets.  There is a reason he didnt play down the stretch and it has something to do with David West saying, "Bench that motherfarker."  Lance by all reports was a nice guy and a pleasant teammate.

West is the leader and he needs to regalvanize that team or they will continue to spin out of control.

Granger was popular but the trade wasn't the lockerroom killer (per the Pacers beat reporter anyway).

I don't know if Turner was the most popular guy in the lockerroom, but the things that caused the landslide were

1) Hibbert's confidence going in the shiatter. This was theoretically due to the Bynum signing, but the rumor that George was banging his sidetrim is much funnier.

2) Lance completely changing his style of play due to the all star snub (and it was a snub). That was the genesis of the "selfish dudes" comment by Hibbert, which drove down his confidence even further.

3) CJ Watson getting injured. His injury completely derailed the bench, so they relied more on Lance to do backup ball handling, which just magnified issue #2.


That is all true but....*sigh* I stand my by sources on the Granger thing.  I feel like a tool saying that but it wouldnt be right to talk about it.

We can agree that the Pacer's issues were 90% mental and 10% jump shooting.

/not being a douche
//just happen to know a guy who knows a guy
 
2014-07-17 01:18:52 PM  
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R.I.P.  Lance Henriksen
 
2014-07-17 02:28:25 PM  

Gunny Highway: That is all true but....*sigh* I stand my by sources on the Granger thing.  I feel like a tool saying that but it wouldnt be right to talk about it.

We can agree that the Pacer's issues were 90% mental and 10% jump shooting.

/not being a douche
//just happen to know a guy who knows a guy


My memory's a little hazy on the timeline of when they traded Granger and when things went to hell, but I think both of you are basically correct. Although I don't believe that the Granger trade was necessarily the direct cause of their issues, his absence allowed things to progress on remid's points 1, 2, and 3. That is, Hibbert was likely to play a little worse in comparison to the first half and Lance was likely to retool his play, but Granger would have helped stop the bleeding by picking them up and getting them to refocus on the team goal.
 
2014-07-17 03:05:40 PM  

bertor_vidas: Gunny Highway: That is all true but....*sigh* I stand my by sources on the Granger thing.  I feel like a tool saying that but it wouldnt be right to talk about it.

We can agree that the Pacer's issues were 90% mental and 10% jump shooting.

/not being a douche
//just happen to know a guy who knows a guy

My memory's a little hazy on the timeline of when they traded Granger and when things went to hell, but I think both of you are basically correct. Although I don't believe that the Granger trade was necessarily the direct cause of their issues, his absence allowed things to progress on remid's points 1, 2, and 3. That is, Hibbert was likely to play a little worse in comparison to the first half and Lance was likely to retool his play, but Granger would have helped stop the bleeding by picking them up and getting them to refocus on the team goal.


I have a hard time believing that because Granger was such a non-factor in day to day operations. He didn't practice. He rehabbed or just rested. He was player non grata for almost two years at that point.
 
2014-07-17 03:34:18 PM  

redmid17: bertor_vidas: Gunny Highway: That is all true but....*sigh* I stand my by sources on the Granger thing.  I feel like a tool saying that but it wouldnt be right to talk about it.

We can agree that the Pacer's issues were 90% mental and 10% jump shooting.

/not being a douche
//just happen to know a guy who knows a guy

My memory's a little hazy on the timeline of when they traded Granger and when things went to hell, but I think both of you are basically correct. Although I don't believe that the Granger trade was necessarily the direct cause of their issues, his absence allowed things to progress on remid's points 1, 2, and 3. That is, Hibbert was likely to play a little worse in comparison to the first half and Lance was likely to retool his play, but Granger would have helped stop the bleeding by picking them up and getting them to refocus on the team goal.

I have a hard time believing that because Granger was such a non-factor in day to day operations. He didn't practice. He rehabbed or just rested. He was player non grata for almost two years at that point.


I am telling you that isn't true.
 
2014-07-17 03:35:00 PM  
Also, wiggins/love trade is in motion.
 
2014-07-17 03:37:33 PM  

redmid17: I have a hard time believing that because Granger was such a non-factor in day to day operations. He didn't practice. He rehabbed or just rested. He was player non grata for almost two years at that point.


Influence on the team and production on the court are not always connected. Granger seems to have been well-liked and well-respected by his teammates. His rehab/rest/practice/play schedule would have little to do with them listening to him. He holds weight as a former face of the franchise and experienced mentor (and older brother as Paul George put it).
 
2014-07-17 04:06:09 PM  

Gunny Highway: Also, wiggins/love trade is in motion.


It's a terrible idea. Adding Love at the expense of Wiggins clogs up 4 and 5 while adding yet another sieve on defense. I would personally prefer Irving, Wiggins, James, Thompson/Bennett/Varejao (4 and 5 in some combination) to whatever they can field after trading for Love (Irving, Waiters, James, Thompson/Varejao/Love? Irving, James, Bennett, Thompson/Varejao/Love?). Keeping Wiggins also provides James with the necessary help on defense (assuming Wiggins is the defensive stud the scouts think he will be). Part of the issue Miami had in the Finals was the complete lack of superior defenders behind James. Having a defense-minded SF/SG who can guard opposing ball-handlers would free James up to take an easier defensive assignment and save more energy for the offensive end.

Of course, there's an alternate universe where the Cavs pick Noel instead of Bennett, dedicate themselves to tanking, don't sign Jack to that atrocious contract which required giving up Karasev and Zeller to get rid of, and have a starting lineup of Irving, Wiggins, James, Thompson, and Noel with Waiters, Karasev, and Zeller as the backups. On paper, this lineup has two defensive studs (Wiggins, Noel) who relieve pressure from James and allow the Cavs to hide Irving on defense. It has a ball-handler (James) who can take advantage of his teammates' proven offensive abilities (Thompson, Iriving) and smooth over their raw/unpolished games (Wiggins, Noel). It's also remarkably young (only James is over 25 and Expiring Contract Varejao is trade bait) and has promising backups (Karasev, Zeller, Waiters). The biggest issues with this team are uncertain development, short- and long-term health (Noel especially), and offensive spacing (Thompson would likely need to develop an outside or mid-range jumper).
 
2014-07-17 04:07:50 PM  

Gunny Highway: redmid17: bertor_vidas: Gunny Highway: That is all true but....*sigh* I stand my by sources on the Granger thing.  I feel like a tool saying that but it wouldnt be right to talk about it.

We can agree that the Pacer's issues were 90% mental and 10% jump shooting.

/not being a douche
//just happen to know a guy who knows a guy

My memory's a little hazy on the timeline of when they traded Granger and when things went to hell, but I think both of you are basically correct. Although I don't believe that the Granger trade was necessarily the direct cause of their issues, his absence allowed things to progress on remid's points 1, 2, and 3. That is, Hibbert was likely to play a little worse in comparison to the first half and Lance was likely to retool his play, but Granger would have helped stop the bleeding by picking them up and getting them to refocus on the team goal.

I have a hard time believing that because Granger was such a non-factor in day to day operations. He didn't practice. He rehabbed or just rested. He was player non grata for almost two years at that point.

I am telling you that isn't true.


The Pacers were killing it until Granger came back and then they reverted to good form. Once he left, Lance got selfish, and Hibbert started whining, shiat hit the fan.

I'll just put it this way, I don't believe. None of the people connected to the team or reporting on the team believe you. I'm from Indianapolis. I know a few a people who spend a lot of time at Conseco and they don't check IDs or sell food and beverage. Granger's trade and locker room presence were not the catalyst for their downfall.
 
2014-07-17 04:09:57 PM  

bertor_vidas: Gunny Highway: Also, wiggins/love trade is in motion.

It's a terrible idea. Adding Love at the expense of Wiggins clogs up 4 and 5 while adding yet another sieve on defense. I would personally prefer Irving, Wiggins, James, Thompson/Bennett/Varejao (4 and 5 in some combination) to whatever they can field after trading for Love (Irving, Waiters, James, Thompson/Varejao/Love? Irving, James, Bennett, Thompson/Varejao/Love?). Keeping Wiggins also provides James with the necessary help on defense (assuming Wiggins is the defensive stud the scouts think he will be). Part of the issue Miami had in the Finals was the complete lack of superior defenders behind James. Having a defense-minded SF/SG who can guard opposing ball-handlers would free James up to take an easier defensive assignment and save more energy for the offensive end.

Of course, there's an alternate universe where the Cavs pick Noel instead of Bennett, dedicate themselves to tanking, don't sign Jack to that atrocious contract which required giving up Karasev and Zeller to get rid of, and have a starting lineup of Irving, Wiggins, James, Thompson, and Noel with Waiters, Karasev, and Zeller as the backups. On paper, this lineup has two defensive studs (Wiggins, Noel) who relieve pressure from James and allow the Cavs to hide Irving on defense. It has a ball-handler (James) who can take advantage of his teammates' proven offensive abilities (Thompson, Iriving) and smooth over their raw/unpolished games (Wiggins, Noel). It's also remarkably young (only James is over 25 and Expiring Contract Varejao is trade bait) and has promising backups (Karasev, Zeller, Waiters). The biggest issues with this team are uncertain development, short- and long-term health (Noel especially), and offensive spacing (Thompson would likely need to develop an outside or mid-range jumper).


How is it a logjam? Bennet sucks and might be part of the trade. Varejao is old and injury prone. Haywood is a bit part player at best.
 
2014-07-17 04:43:07 PM  

redmid17: How is it a logjam? Bennet sucks and might be part of the trade. Varejao is old and injury prone. Haywood is a bit part player at best.


Even assuming Bennett and Varejao get traded or irreparably broken, Cleveland would still be left with both Thompson and Love. Love could, in theory, play center which would "solve" the logjam at the 4 by giving them a matchup nightmare against even marginally competent opposing 5s*. Cleveland has also traded for and added various and sundry players at 4 (Powell plus the rights to a Turkish player and a Bosnian player) who would further complicate the depth chart without adding kinks for opposing teams to gameplan for.

/*The matchup nightmare is that Thompson currently has no midrange or outside shot, so teams could treat him like a center and Love like a stretch 4 defensively while abusing Love offensively.
//I would also like to point out that Bennett was shaping up to be a solid 45/30 shooter before he hurt his knee.
 
2014-07-17 05:24:00 PM  

redmid17: Gunny Highway: redmid17: bertor_vidas: Gunny Highway: That is all true but....*sigh* I stand my by sources on the Granger thing.  I feel like a tool saying that but it wouldnt be right to talk about it.

We can agree that the Pacer's issues were 90% mental and 10% jump shooting.

/not being a douche
//just happen to know a guy who knows a guy

My memory's a little hazy on the timeline of when they traded Granger and when things went to hell, but I think both of you are basically correct. Although I don't believe that the Granger trade was necessarily the direct cause of their issues, his absence allowed things to progress on remid's points 1, 2, and 3. That is, Hibbert was likely to play a little worse in comparison to the first half and Lance was likely to retool his play, but Granger would have helped stop the bleeding by picking them up and getting them to refocus on the team goal.

I have a hard time believing that because Granger was such a non-factor in day to day operations. He didn't practice. He rehabbed or just rested. He was player non grata for almost two years at that point.

I am telling you that isn't true.

The Pacers were killing it until Granger came back and then they reverted to good form. Once he left, Lance got selfish, and Hibbert started whining, shiat hit the fan.

I'll just put it this way, I don't believe. None of the people connected to the team or reporting on the team believe you. I'm from Indianapolis. I know a few a people who spend a lot of time at Conseco and they don't check IDs or sell food and beverage. Granger's trade and locker room presence were not the catalyst for their downfall.


I have it from someone inside the locker room that is was a big factor in the breakdown of the team. Was it the catalyst, I don't know. Was it the straw the broke the camels back? I don't know. I do know, based on what a player on the team has said to someone he knows very well, that the Granger trade was a bigger blow than you think or the media reported apparently.

And the Wiggins/Love trade is a win for both sides in my opinion.
 
2014-07-17 05:26:12 PM  

bertor_vidas: redmid17: How is it a logjam? Bennet sucks and might be part of the trade. Varejao is old and injury prone. Haywood is a bit part player at best.

Even assuming Bennett and Varejao get traded or irreparably broken, Cleveland would still be left with both Thompson and Love. Love could, in theory, play center which would "solve" the logjam at the 4 by giving them a matchup nightmare against even marginally competent opposing 5s*. Cleveland has also traded for and added various and sundry players at 4 (Powell plus the rights to a Turkish player and a Bosnian player) who would further complicate the depth chart without adding kinks for opposing teams to gameplan for.

/*The matchup nightmare is that Thompson currently has no midrange or outside shot, so teams could treat him like a center and Love like a stretch 4 defensively while abusing Love offensively.
//I would also like to point out that Bennett was shaping up to be a solid 45/30 shooter before he hurt his knee.


It's not a logjam. Love is way better than Thompson. Plenty of minutes to go around. Besides the east doesn't have that many good centers dominating in the post.
 
2014-07-17 08:19:03 PM  

Gunny Highway: I have it from a reliable source that the Danny Granger trade poisoned the locker room because he was incredibly popular with the vets on the Pacers.  Also, Evan Truner was hated by the vets.  There is a reason he didnt play down the stretch and it has something to do with David West saying, "Bench that motherfarker."  Lance by all reports was a nice guy and a pleasant teammate.

West is the leader and he needs to regalvanize that team or they will continue to spin out of control.


Turner also just isn't very good.  He's got basically the same skillset as Lance, he's just worse at everything.  Granted, he's probably not insane and he's never thrown any women down the stairs AFAIK.

That team needs a legit ball handler and a half and for Hibbert to not be such a prima donna.
 
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