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(The New York Times)   The government bans one E-cig flavor, and 200 more pop up in its place. No word when Mint Anchovy Cheddar, Kimchi, Roquefort Anise, or Hobo Crotch will be out, but TFA includes Nutty Squirrel, so nothing's out of the realm of possibility   (nytimes.com) divider line 145
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2014-07-16 09:29:26 AM  
Fennel Twinkie.
Trump's Ass Leavings
Lawn Clippings and Pickle
 
2014-07-16 11:13:30 AM  
Vapers gonna get the vapors!
 
2014-07-16 11:14:02 AM  

gopher321: Fennel Twinkie.
Trump's Ass Leavings
Lawn Clippings and Pickle


Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra
 
2014-07-16 11:14:33 AM  
Nutty Smegma
 
2014-07-16 11:14:37 AM  
Hail Hydra
 
2014-07-16 11:15:06 AM  
Again, I could spend some time ranting about it, but the anecdotal evidence walking around my neighborhood is clear - the whole point is to get kids hooked on nicotine again. Period. The ads for e-cigs clearly state, despite the industry emphasis, that these things aren't meant as smoking cessation aids, and our vape stores are, increasingly, springing up in poor neighborhoods (like mine) and selling to an audience that can't buy tobacco legally, but can buy these nicotine delivery systems.
 
2014-07-16 11:15:38 AM  
Arkanaut: Inhale Hydra

//Thought of better joke just after I posted.
 
2014-07-16 11:16:08 AM  
Vajayjay ?
 
2014-07-16 11:16:29 AM  
Build-Me-Up Butterface
Leeky O-Ring
Cleveland Steamed Cocoa Butter
 
2014-07-16 11:17:10 AM  
Cappuccino potato chip?
 
2014-07-16 11:17:19 AM  
What's up with all the "mod" groups, and contests for "biggest cloud!" and lame shiat like that?  I seem to see a strong correlation between the Ed Hardy/MMA crowd and the people big into this stuff.

/i certainly think e-cigs are better than real cigs
//but making a "thing" out of it is dumb
 
2014-07-16 11:17:46 AM  
Grapefruit and Pine-Sol

No, wait - that's cilantro

ok

Cilantro
 
2014-07-16 11:18:15 AM  
Banning e-cigs was never about health. It's part of the anti-tobacco crusade in which smokers must be punished and finding a healthier alternative is unacceptable. Only prohibition of all tobacco related products will satisfy some people.
 
2014-07-16 11:19:22 AM  

FormlessOne: Again, I could spend some time ranting about it, but the anecdotal evidence walking around my neighborhood is clear - the whole point is to get kids hooked on nicotine again. Period. The ads for e-cigs clearly state, despite the industry emphasis, that these things aren't meant as smoking cessation aids, and our vape stores are, increasingly, springing up in poor neighborhoods (like mine) and selling to an audience that can't buy tobacco legally, but can buy these nicotine delivery systems.


At the very, very, VERY least, there's no tar or smoke, so the COPD effects are limited, if not completely eliminated. Still read a report that there are traces of heavy metals in the vapor, so it'd be cool to get THAT under control.

In the end, nicotine is just so dumb. It gives you a quick buzz? Really? That's the reason for starting?

Just fill 'em up with THC dissolved in vegetable glycerin. That's the way to go.
 
2014-07-16 11:20:07 AM  
Eye of newt
Essence of toe jam
Hogsheads earwax
Oprah taint
 
2014-07-16 11:20:12 AM  
say that the rainbow of tastes

oh no, they di'int
 
2014-07-16 11:21:34 AM  
"Franch"
 
2014-07-16 11:21:50 AM  
Just Can't Quit.
Sweaty Beibber
Sweaty Beaver
Limp Bisquett
Double Dong Delight
Sanatorium
panty surprise
That's not a Lady!
 
2014-07-16 11:23:33 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: gopher321: Fennel Twinkie.
Trump's Ass Leavings
Lawn Clippings and Pickle

Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra


i.imgur.com
/first thing in my head
//yes it's old
 
2014-07-16 11:23:36 AM  

dolphinsgonwild: Oprah taint


You know, it's not easy to gross me out....

/congrats
 
2014-07-16 11:24:22 AM  

To The Escape Zeppelin!: It's part of the anti-tobacco crusade in which smokers must be punished and finding a healthier alternative is unacceptable.


Not smoking anything is a healthier alternative.
 
2014-07-16 11:26:28 AM  

To The Escape Zeppelin!: Banning e-cigs was never about health. It's part of the anti-tobacco crusade in which smokers must be punished and finding a healthier alternative is unacceptable. Only prohibition of all tobacco related products will satisfy some people.


Which I honestly don't understand.  E-cigs are safer and don't have the odor and effects of second hand smoke.  This seems to be the most acceptable compromise.

E-cigs cut down on the endless amount of cigarette butts that some smokers insist on littering about.

This just seems like a win-win for everyone.

Ban nicotine and there will probably be riots.
 
2014-07-16 11:28:42 AM  

To The Escape Zeppelin!: Banning e-cigs was never about health. It's part of the anti-tobacco crusade in which smokers must be punished and finding a healthier alternative is unacceptable. Only prohibition of all tobacco related products will satisfy some people.


Um...they're not banned.  Places are just treating them like other tobacco products.

And here's a note:  the promotion of electronic cigarettes was never about health, it was about selling a product.  "Buy ours!  It's healthier!  You can do it anywhere!  You should totally give US your money!"
 
2014-07-16 11:29:24 AM  

To The Escape Zeppelin!: Banning e-cigs was never about health. It's part of the anti-tobacco crusade in which smokers must be punished and finding a healthier alternative is unacceptable. Only prohibition of all tobacco related products will satisfy some people.


So you wouldn't have a problem if it was only available to people born before 1997, forever?
 
2014-07-16 11:30:31 AM  
They're doing it wrong...

If they want to attract kids, they need to come up with the grossest flavors they can think of....

"Gee Beav, are those Booger Farts you're vaping?"

"Naw Whitey, it's a new flavor called Mom's Old Douche Bag Filled With Puss. All the cool kids are vaping this now."
 
2014-07-16 11:30:32 AM  
On the rare times I smoke, these tend to be in the form of cigars which allow for complex tastes of tobacco. If I do not want the taste of tobacco... I'll get a sugary drink mix.

Mr. Weiss said NJOY did not influence the findings. "I get the appearance of a - 'quote-un-quote' - industry funded study," he said. "But we didn't have time to get it funded by a third party."

In reality, the study took only a few weeks, Mr. Shiffman said, allowing for the possibility that other studies could be done quickly by independent sources. Asked about that prospect, Mr. Weiss said: "What's the magic number of studies? Two studies? Four studies?"


The reality is there were probably several studies and this is the only data presented by them. Major industries have been doing this for years, because this is the simplest means to corrupt findings. Methodologies of industry funded studies are often stronger than independent due to the amount of resources available for facilities, sample, etc., and preparing multiple studies simultaneously becomes easy when an industry wants to demonstrate some conclusion.

FormlessOne: but the anecdotal evidence walking around my neighborhood is clear - the whole point is to get kids hooked on nicotine again.


I still see extremely young people, under twenties, using cigarettes or sh*t disposable setups when people a little older have the more complicated devices for refilling with all manner of flavors. Think this is due to the initial cost, where the cost savings of using rechargeable and refillable e-cigarettes requires several months of usage if you are not a multi-pack a day smoker. Granted, I would not be against the assertion more young people have taken up smoking who would otherwise not have due to the flavors for fitting in purposes.
 
2014-07-16 11:30:36 AM  
E-cigs don't really bother me one way or the other, but the one scent/flavor that really is revolting is the Atomic Fireball or Red Hot cinnamon one.

The exhaled fumes smell like when someone with a sinus infection sneezes.
 
2014-07-16 11:31:26 AM  
If the whole point of e-cigs is to get people off of regular cigs, shouldnt it just be as close as possible to the real cigarette flavor? Isnt flavored cigarettes a new vice, not a substitute???
 
2014-07-16 11:31:56 AM  
Watch out soda junkies, caffeine is next.
 
2014-07-16 11:33:29 AM  
The govt is coming for the Nutty Squirrels?

UH-OH!

s4.postimg.org
 
2014-07-16 11:37:14 AM  

CruJones: What's up with all the "mod" groups, and contests for "biggest cloud!" and lame shiat like that?  I seem to see a strong correlation between the Ed Hardy/MMA crowd and the people big into this stuff.

/i certainly think e-cigs are better than real cigs
//but making a "thing" out of it is dumb


I started using a mechanical mod a few months back. It is a bit more satisfying. I don't do the cloud chasing, but like pretty much any hobby, enthusiasts will push boundaries for reasons that aren't clear to non-enthusiasts. I mean, have you seen the occasional razor threads in this place?
 
2014-07-16 11:38:40 AM  
Given the popularity of e-cigs, I am willing to bet that should the FDA move to ban flavors, that Congress will step in and overturn them.
 
2014-07-16 11:39:27 AM  
Is The Rusty Venture a flavor?
 
2014-07-16 11:40:15 AM  

LemSkroob: If the whole point of e-cigs is to get people off of regular cigs, shouldnt it just be as close as possible to the real cigarette flavor? Isnt flavored cigarettes a new vice, not a substitute???


I don't know.  For $10 I can buy 30 mil bottle of fluid that lasts me months.  Vs a pack going for over $7 and my habit was a pack a day times 30 days, that's over 2 hundo a month.  All I know is that after I quit smoking using vapes almost a year ago my bank account doesn't see it as a substitute vice.
 
2014-07-16 11:40:22 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: To The Escape Zeppelin!: It's part of the anti-tobacco crusade in which smokers must be punished and finding a healthier alternative is unacceptable.

Not smoking anything is a healthier alternative.


Vapor isn't smoke. Possibly, not vaping is healthier than vaping. Almost certainly, vaping is much healthier than smoking.

/occasional pipe smoker
 
2014-07-16 11:40:34 AM  
I only vape totally artiesian locally sourced organic jenkim.
 
2014-07-16 11:41:01 AM  
There is also the potential of using e-cig technology as a diet aid. You can puff chocolate flavored vape, that doesn't even have to have nicotine in it, in order to suppress the urge to devour a snickers bar.
 
2014-07-16 11:41:14 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: To The Escape Zeppelin!: It's part of the anti-tobacco crusade in which smokers must be punished and finding a healthier alternative is unacceptable.

Not smoking anything is a healthier alternative.


Some people say cucumbers taste better pickled.
 
2014-07-16 11:42:39 AM  

miniflea: HotWingConspiracy: To The Escape Zeppelin!: It's part of the anti-tobacco crusade in which smokers must be punished and finding a healthier alternative is unacceptable.

Not smoking anything is a healthier alternative.

Vapor isn't smoke. Possibly, not vaping is healthier than vaping. Almost certainly, vaping is much healthier than smoking.

/occasional pipe smoker


The scale doesn't matter, he was just wrong in asserting that finding a healthier alternative is unacceptable.
 
2014-07-16 11:42:47 AM  
"I'm ashamed of you," Senator Jay Rockefeller, Democrat of West Virginia, told several executives. "You're what's wrong with this country."

insatiablebooksluts.com
 
2014-07-16 11:44:06 AM  
Penis.
 
2014-07-16 11:46:13 AM  

LemSkroob: If the whole point of e-cigs is to get people off of regular cigs, shouldnt it just be as close as possible to the real cigarette flavor? Isnt flavored cigarettes a new vice, not a substitute???


The further you get from real cigarette flavor while getting your nic fix, the faster you reach the point where tobacco smells and tastes terrible again, and the less tempted you feel to lapse back to the real thing.

Not that the whole point is to get people off regular cigs; plenty of people make the switch simply because it's cheaper.  But if that's your goal, then yeah, breaking those prior stimulus associations can be very useful in quitting.
 
2014-07-16 11:46:56 AM  
Subby: Headline is inaccurate. "The government bans one E-cig flavor". The government banned several regular cigarette flavors a few years back. Basically everything that isn't regular or menthol is banned for cigarettes. There have been no E-cig flavor bans, yet.
 
2014-07-16 11:47:16 AM  
This is going to be worse than those farking scented candles and fat old ladies at work who use perfume instead of bathing.

/Excuse me while I inflict foul scents upon you.
 
2014-07-16 11:47:20 AM  

ToastmasterGeneral: To The Escape Zeppelin!: Banning e-cigs was never about health. It's part of the anti-tobacco crusade in which smokers must be punished and finding a healthier alternative is unacceptable. Only prohibition of all tobacco related products will satisfy some people.

Um...they're not banned.  Places are just treating them like other tobacco products.

And here's a note:  the promotion of electronic cigarettes was never about health, it was about selling a product.  "Buy ours!  It's healthier!  You can do it anywhere!  You should totally give US your money!"


They even make it patriotic:  "Stick it to those tobacco-banning Libs!  Take Back Your Freedom™!"
 
2014-07-16 11:49:51 AM  

Some Coke Drinking Guy: Given the popularity of e-cigs, I am willing to bet that should the FDA move to ban flavors, that Congress will step in and overturn them.


Doubtful.  Congress was fine with banning flavored cigarettes/ cloves and has left that in place since 2009.

However, I suspect it would be close to impossible to ban the flavors on anything refillable.  They'd simply sell the flavor concentrates separately from the nicotine solutions.  The flavor concentrates are primarily food grade additives, and wouldn't be much different from flavor solutions used for food purposes (coffee flavorings, snow cone flavorings, etc).
 
2014-07-16 11:58:04 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: gopher321: Fennel Twinkie.
Trump's Ass Leavings
Lawn Clippings and Pickle

Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra




img.4plebs.org
 
2014-07-16 11:58:09 AM  

Wasteland: LemSkroob: If the whole point of e-cigs is to get people off of regular cigs, shouldnt it just be as close as possible to the real cigarette flavor? Isnt flavored cigarettes a new vice, not a substitute???

The further you get from real cigarette flavor while getting your nic fix, the faster you reach the point where tobacco smells and tastes terrible again, and the less tempted you feel to lapse back to the real thing.

Not that the whole point is to get people off regular cigs; plenty of people make the switch simply because it's cheaper.  But if that's your goal, then yeah, breaking those prior stimulus associations can be very useful in quitting.


Cigarettes really don't smell like tobacco though. Pipes and cigars do. I've had people who hate the stench of cigarettes tell me my pipe tobacco smells wonderful.
 
2014-07-16 11:59:22 AM  

ErinPac: Some Coke Drinking Guy: Given the popularity of e-cigs, I am willing to bet that should the FDA move to ban flavors, that Congress will step in and overturn them.

Doubtful.  Congress was fine with banning flavored cigarettes/ cloves and has left that in place since 2009.

However, I suspect it would be close to impossible to ban the flavors on anything refillable.  They'd simply sell the flavor concentrates separately from the nicotine solutions.  The flavor concentrates are primarily food grade additives, and wouldn't be much different from flavor solutions used for food purposes (coffee flavorings, snow cone flavorings, etc).


Compound that with the fact that the flavored cartridges are a deadly poison if ingested and the elimination of all 'edible' flavors is all but assured.
 
2014-07-16 12:00:42 PM  
 
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