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(iFixIt.com)   If you are *legally* being tracked by the FBI this is probably the breakdown of the device that is in your gas tank. (While it lasts)   (ifixit.com) divider line 54
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2014-07-16 01:25:10 AM
Nice.
 
2014-07-16 05:01:32 AM
This should be a standard feature on all cars
for your safety
 
2014-07-16 05:32:17 AM
The FBI will find you if you find their tracking device.
You cannot choose to be not tracked by the FBI.
You can legally be tracked by one of these units
We'll be right back, the FBI is knocking on our door.


First they LOL''d...

I can't imagine the FBI would pitch a fit over this article. I mean it's not like people didn't know this was a done thing or anything but ya never know.
 
2014-07-16 06:09:56 AM
Practically, I don't care. They take a safari up my ass if they buy me dinner first.

But, I am smart enough to want to protect my freedoms when I don't need them, so that they are still there when I do need them.
 
2014-07-16 06:58:38 AM
Nowadays they just track you by your cell phone since everyone has one.

/even when it's OFF!!!1ELEVENTEEN
 
2014-07-16 07:06:23 AM
They have GPS trackers the size of postage stamps that cost under 20 bucks, I somehow doubt the FBI would bother with that antiquated monstrosity.
 
2014-07-16 07:14:41 AM

ReapTheChaos: They have GPS trackers the size of postage stamps that cost under 20 bucks, I somehow doubt the FBI would bother with that antiquated monstrosity.


They need something more robust than that. Tougher and with really good battery life. Also, they've probably been using the same ones for years now.
 
2014-07-16 07:27:00 AM

bindlestiff2600: This should be a standard feature on all cars
for your safety


california-audio.com
 
2014-07-16 07:37:54 AM
i733.photobucket.com
 
2014-07-16 07:39:44 AM
If I found one of those under my car I don't think I could resist the urge to sneak it under a taxi or city bus to fark with the FBI agents tracking me.
 
2014-07-16 07:46:11 AM

quatchi: The FBI will find you if you find their tracking device.
You cannot choose to be not tracked by the FBI.
You can legally be tracked by one of these units
We'll be right back, the FBI is knocking on our door.

First they LOL''d...

I can't imagine the FBI would pitch a fit over this article. I mean it's not like people didn't know this was a done thing or anything but ya never know.


I am a lawyer and, years ago, I had a case involving a gps tracker. We demanded the specs on the device and they claimed we couldn't have them for "national security reasons." The judge disagreed and, rather than produce the info, they dropped the charges. So, I imagine they would take something like this quite seriously even if there is nothing they can really do about it.
 
2014-07-16 07:57:14 AM

mongbiohazard: If I found one of those under my car I don't think I could resist the urge to sneak it under a taxi or city bus to fark with the FBI agents tracking me.


You would have to retrieve the device and put it back on your car as most models don't remote report.
 
2014-07-16 07:57:21 AM
It looks like a pipe bomb.
 
2014-07-16 08:03:27 AM

mongbiohazard: If I found one of those under my car I don't think I could resist the urge to sneak it under a taxi or city bus to fark with the FBI agents tracking me.


Send it Fedex ground to Pitcairn Island.
 
2014-07-16 08:07:18 AM

ChubbyTiger: ReapTheChaos: They have GPS trackers the size of postage stamps that cost under 20 bucks, I somehow doubt the FBI would bother with that antiquated monstrosity.

They need something more robust than that. Tougher and with really good battery life. Also, they've probably been using the same ones for years now.


You save a nickel on shipping and handling if you order them in lots of 300 million.
 
2014-07-16 08:28:29 AM
Yea, it's a bit clunky and big. It's also durable, reliably, understood, and at hand.

I don't doubt they have a warehouse of these somewhere, just waiting to be used. Until they can't be, they will be.
 
2014-07-16 08:32:58 AM

mongbiohazard: If I found one of those under my car I don't think I could resist the urge to sneak it under a taxi or city bus to fark with the FBI agents tracking me.


Drop it in a shark's gullet.
 
2014-07-16 08:39:08 AM
I would think a Greyhound Bus or a random semi trailer would be more fun to put the device.
 
2014-07-16 08:55:49 AM
"Behind your bumper" is not "in your gas tank".

But enough about porn.
 
2014-07-16 09:00:49 AM
Also, the courts have ruled that the FBI cannot use these without a warrant.

shiatty website is spreading pro government spying misinformation!
 
2014-07-16 09:28:27 AM
Not mentioned in the article was the frequency it broadcast on. Probably one of the little things the FBI would like to keep private.
 
2014-07-16 09:36:50 AM
if by 'in' gas tank, you meant 'on' gas tank, then you probably measured the hole size on the fill for your gas tank appropriately, subby.
 
2014-07-16 09:42:46 AM

mongbiohazard: If I found one of those under my car I don't think I could resist the urge to sneak it under a taxi or city bus to fark with the FBI agents tracking me.


Toss it into an open train car.
 
2014-07-16 09:54:18 AM

SVenus: Not mentioned in the article was the frequency it broadcast on. Probably one of the little things the FBI would like to keep private.


While I am certainly not an engineer in the field, wouldn't that be pretty easy to determine with a RF spectrum analyzer?
 
2014-07-16 10:04:39 AM

Caelistis: SVenus: Not mentioned in the article was the frequency it broadcast on. Probably one of the little things the FBI would like to keep private.

While I am certainly not an engineer in the field, wouldn't that be pretty easy to determine with a RF spectrum analyzer?


Actually they do: 433.92MHz

This could be interesting...  Monitor the freq long enough and you have the same info they do. Get a high powered 70cm radio and you can jam them all. Hell, you can probably find a bunch of them in the same place, telling you where they deploy from, though it is probably just a local field office.
 
2014-07-16 10:19:19 AM

Lars The Canadian Viking: This could be interesting...  Monitor the freq long enough and you have the same info they do. Get a high powered 70cm radio and you can jam them all. Hell, you can probably find a bunch of them in the same place, telling you where they deploy from, though it is probably just a local field office.


Sure, assuming they store them with the power on...
 
2014-07-16 10:24:15 AM
While it lasts? Article is from 2011. FTFA (bottom of page)  View Statistics: Today: 2,207 This Week: 2,334 This Month: 2,737 All Time: 793,516
 
2014-07-16 10:29:20 AM

jfarkinB: Lars The Canadian Viking: This could be interesting...  Monitor the freq long enough and you have the same info they do. Get a high powered 70cm radio and you can jam them all. Hell, you can probably find a bunch of them in the same place, telling you where they deploy from, though it is probably just a local field office.

Sure, assuming they store them with the power on...


I'm sure they do test/repair them somewhere.
 
2014-07-16 10:37:22 AM

TheGreatGazoo: I would think a Greyhound Bus or a random semi trailer would be more fun to put the device.


And nothing interesting will happen since it doesn't have a modem and at best an agent can do is get near it to get the logs.

How they going to get the logs not knowing where it is now.
 
2014-07-16 10:39:01 AM

robv83: Also, the courts have ruled that the FBI cannot use these without a warrant.

shiatty website is spreading pro government spying misinformation!


wut?

It's a tech site that posted a breakdown of one to see how it works. And the associated Wired article is from 2011, before the court case regarding GPS trackers like this was decided.

The hell are you on about?
 
2014-07-16 10:40:47 AM

Lars The Canadian Viking: Caelistis: SVenus: Not mentioned in the article was the frequency it broadcast on. Probably one of the little things the FBI would like to keep private.

While I am certainly not an engineer in the field, wouldn't that be pretty easy to determine with a RF spectrum analyzer?

Actually they do: 433.92MHz

This could be interesting...  Monitor the freq long enough and you have the same info they do. Get a high powered 70cm radio and you can jam them all. Hell, you can probably find a bunch of them in the same place, telling you where they deploy from, though it is probably just a local field office.


Let's commit a felony for the lols. Especially against a government agency that can probably get FCC help asap.

Also the band won't be hard to find. It will be in the ISM band. Otherwise the FCC won't be happy with the FBI.
 
2014-07-16 10:42:01 AM
that device is so 2008...what do they use now???
 
2014-07-16 10:52:11 AM

WTP 2: that device is so 2008...what do they use now???


Probably ones with modems using SMS so they can collect logs at will and geo fence you.
 
2014-07-16 11:11:27 AM
Oh, they're tracking us *legally* these days...
 
2014-07-16 11:20:36 AM

mongbiohazard: If I found one of those under my car I don't think I could resist the urge to sneak it under a taxi or city bus to fark with the FBI agents tracking me.


Any slow-moving trains in the area? Snap it onto a passing boxcar.
 
2014-07-16 11:23:59 AM

WTP 2: that device is so 2008...what do they use now???


pretty sure they'd just track your cellphone.  Maybe even turn on the mic.
 
2014-07-16 11:42:02 AM
I preferred Randy Daytona's version.  Easier to conceal.


www.wwuh.org
 
2014-07-16 12:05:52 PM

Fubegra: mongbiohazard: If I found one of those under my car I don't think I could resist the urge to sneak it under a taxi or city bus to fark with the FBI agents tracking me.

Any slow-moving trains in the area? Snap it onto a passing boxcar.


Cross country trucker.
 
2014-07-16 12:12:32 PM

skozlaw: robv83: Also, the courts have ruled that the FBI cannot use these without a warrant.

shiatty website is spreading pro government spying misinformation!

wut?

It's a tech site that posted a breakdown of one to see how it works. And the associated Wired article is from 2011, before the court case regarding GPS trackers like this was decided.

The hell are you on about?


My bad. I didn't realize how old the article actually was.
 
2014-07-16 12:39:26 PM
There's not a court case preventing mind control devices, yet.
 
2014-07-16 01:41:02 PM

AverageAmericanGuy: Nice.


I was seriously confused how this got top comment. I need to lay off browsing Imgur.
 
2014-07-16 01:44:40 PM
Want to get rid of the FBI?
Just use the old banana in the tailpipe trick.
 
2014-07-16 01:51:11 PM

Because People in power are Stupid: There's not a court case preventing mind control devices, yet.


Check out The People v Dr Venom for a rebuttal
 
2014-07-16 02:50:42 PM
Talking to the FBI is fun! They are well educated, quick and witty in their responses.

Getting arrested by the FBI, not so much.
 
2014-07-16 03:31:13 PM

TheGreatGazoo: I would think a Greyhound Bus or a random semi trailer would be more fun to put the device.


On a bus to San Clemente is preferred.

//better not be obscure
 
2014-07-16 04:07:53 PM

Fubegra: mongbiohazard: If I found one of those under my car I don't think I could resist the urge to sneak it under a taxi or city bus to fark with the FBI agents tracking me.

Any slow-moving trains in the area? Snap it onto a passing boxcar.


I'd just drop the thing off in the parking lot of the local court house and let the bomb squad take care of it for me.
 
2014-07-16 05:09:34 PM

Intrepid00: mongbiohazard: If I found one of those under my car I don't think I could resist the urge to sneak it under a taxi or city bus to fark with the FBI agents tracking me.

You would have to retrieve the device and put it back on your car as most models don't remote report.


The model they dissected from 2006 self-reported. Why would newer models not? Because technology tends to get worse over time? My theory is that they want people looking for these so they'll think there's no tracking device on their car when they don't find a ginormous brick that looks like it's from the 80s.
 
2014-07-16 05:19:43 PM

untaken_name: Intrepid00: mongbiohazard: If I found one of those under my car I don't think I could resist the urge to sneak it under a taxi or city bus to fark with the FBI agents tracking me.

You would have to retrieve the device and put it back on your car as most models don't remote report.

The model they dissected from 2006 self-reported. Why would newer models not? Because technology tends to get worse over time? My theory is that they want people looking for these so they'll think there's no tracking device on their car when they don't find a ginormous brick that looks like it's from the 80s.


It self reported via nearby RF receiver not by say cell modem. An agent would still need to get near your car or have a receiver setup near you.

Look at the new bike models San Francisco is using. They sleep till vibrations and support geo fence all reported by cell.
 
2014-07-16 05:51:29 PM
If you're doing anything really illegal, don't use your own vehicle and pay cash for all transactions.

The FBI doesn't care about your 3am trips to Taco Bell.
 
2014-07-16 07:05:30 PM

Intrepid00: It self reported via nearby RF receiver not by say cell modem. An agent would still need to get near your car or have a receiver setup near you.


Again, in 2006. Think about the technology YOU were using in 2006. Engadget's cellphone of the year (both reader's AND editor's pick): The Sony Ericsson K800i.
cdn2.gsmarena.com

That's it up there. That was the BEST available cellphone at the time the tracker was made. Cellphones made today are much, much more powerful, contain many more features, and even use a different part of the spectrum. Why would you expect me to believe that government has not upgraded their technology significantly in the same time period?
 
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