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(The Atlantic)   Survey shows that Millennials overwhelmingly prefer Socialism to Capitalism, with only one teeny tiny problem: They don't actually know what socialism is. Or capitalism. Or pretty much any -ism, for that matter. WOO-HOO, JON STEWART   (theatlantic.com) divider line 52
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2014-07-15 10:16:11 PM  
As opposed to republicans, who are totally clear on such definitions.
 
2014-07-15 10:25:56 PM  
It's not like Millenials don't know what they want, they just don't know what it's called.  But ask them a question about a specific policy and they know what position they have.
 
2014-07-15 10:26:57 PM  
Teabaggers aren't exactly clear on those concepts either ... as are the majority of republicans for that matter.
 
2014-07-15 10:45:40 PM  
www.macrofugue.com
 
2014-07-15 10:47:32 PM  

Blues_X: [www.macrofugue.com image 500x370]


Oh wow. That has to be fake. It's too perfect.
 
2014-07-15 10:54:32 PM  
Socialism has many legitimate definitions as well.  Most people aren't for turning the US into a Marxist society, but a lot of us would completely support a move towards a Scandinavian style Social Democracy.  When Bernie Sanders calls himself a socialist it's the latter definition that he's talking about.
 
2014-07-15 11:25:40 PM  
Want people to know what these "-isms" are?
Then stop cutting education funding you chucklefarks.
 
2014-07-16 12:21:39 AM  

doglover: Blues_X: [www.macrofugue.com image 500x370]

Oh wow. That has to be fake. It's too perfect.


2.bp.blogspot.com

I'm pretty sure it's for real...it wouldn't even be close to the dumbest thing seen or heard at a teabagger rally.
 
2014-07-16 12:29:00 AM  
www.johnennis.tv
 
2014-07-16 12:31:27 AM  

Fart_Machine:


Literally true is the best kind of true.
 
2014-07-16 12:32:21 AM  
The Republican corporatists have been working overtime to turn "socialism" into a scary bad word just like they did with the word "liberal." Never mind that the Boomer generation that has fallen for these scare tactics the most are the very people who will need socialism the most over the next few decades.
 
2014-07-16 12:32:38 AM  

elchip: Fart_Machine:

Literally true is the best kind of true.


I wonder if anyone had the heart to tell the poor guy.
 
2014-07-16 12:35:57 AM  

Fart_Machine: elchip: Fart_Machine:

Literally true is the best kind of true.

I wonder if anyone had the heart to tell the poor guy.


He probably thinks facepalming is a sign of agreement.
 
2014-07-16 12:36:50 AM  
Subby sounds old.... and fat.
 
2014-07-16 12:36:52 AM  

SilentStrider: Want people to know what these "-isms" are?
Then stop cutting education funding you chucklefarks.


031b589.netsolhost.com

/oblig
 
2014-07-16 12:38:45 AM  

Blues_X: [www.macrofugue.com image 500x370]


The totes stoned eyes say she be trollin'
 
2014-07-16 12:39:35 AM  
Americans love socialism....they just hate the word socialism.
 
2014-07-16 12:44:54 AM  

Fart_Machine: [www.johnennis.tv image 450x600]


That has to be one of my favourites. Their hatred of the term Czar is just.. well so Soviet.
 
2014-07-16 12:46:13 AM  
Almost everyone farking likes mild socialism more than unfettered capitalism. Because it is a lot better for almost everyone.
 
2014-07-16 12:46:37 AM  

dookdookdook: As opposed to republicans, who are totally clear on such definitions.



Holy shiatballs... That link of yours has a republican lawmaker actually arguing that we should emulate the former Soviet Union and Eastern Bloc countries. How the fark does this man get taken seriously?!?!?
 
2014-07-16 12:46:43 AM  
Well, the report itself also gets the meaning of 'socialism' wrong.  Socialism does not mean a government-controlled economy, it means a worker-controlled industry.

Also, since when is 42% in favor / 52% opposed considered "overwhelmingly prefer[ring]" something?
 
2014-07-16 12:47:14 AM  
I'd like to see a comparison to the general population.
 
2014-07-16 12:47:21 AM  

elchip: Fart_Machine:

Literally true is the best kind of true.


But 0 is not greater than 0.
 
2014-07-16 12:47:51 AM  

1derful: Americans love socialism....they just hate the word socialism.


No they don't. No one, including the Democrats, were thrilled at the idea of the United Stated owning General Motors, and everyone breathed a sigh of relief when it was handed back over to private investors.

/are you a Millenial, by any chance?
//because you know as much about socialism as the people polled in TFA
 
2014-07-16 12:50:49 AM  
TL;DR - The young and poor are historically more liberal, but when they start making more money they get more economically conservative.

lolfunnymeme.com
 
2014-07-16 12:51:14 AM  
Good. Teaching them from zero is much easier than trying to deprogram the derp out of them.
 
2014-07-16 12:52:44 AM  
I'm just surprised Reason got its tongue pulled out of the Koch Brothers' asses long enough to conduct a survey of people who aren't Wall Street bankers.
 
2014-07-16 12:55:53 AM  
This will matter in ten years when they actually start voting.
 
2014-07-16 01:00:59 AM  

GrailOfThunder: TL;DR - The young and poor are historically more liberal, but when they start making more money they get more economically conservative.

[lolfunnymeme.com image 273x200]


This just in...young Americans today are like the young Americans of every generation in the last one hundred years. More at 11.
 
2014-07-16 01:02:12 AM  

Mithiwithi: 1derful: Americans love socialism....they just hate the word socialism.

No they don't. No one, including the Democrats, were thrilled at the idea of the United Stated owning General Motors, and everyone breathed a sigh of relief when it was handed back over to private investors.

/are you a Millenial, by any chance?
//because you know as much about socialism as the people polled in TFA


Americans like certain socialized programs.  Social Security and Medicare are overall very popular.  Most people who aren't crazy rightwingers like our public schools, food stamp programs, unemployment benefits, and general welfare allowances.

Many people (maybe even most) would like to see us move to a universal single payer health system.

When talking about socialism in the US nobody taken seriously is recommending Marxism, they're talking about the Nordic Model where free enterprise is encouraged in most areas, and services deemed as basic human rights are publicly provided equally for all.
 
2014-07-16 01:03:35 AM  

dookdookdook: As opposed to republicans, who are totally clear on such definitions.


Done in ooooooooooooone!

/Subby might as well have said WOOHOO GLENN BECK!
//except for Stewart trading in facts and wit
 
2014-07-16 01:13:17 AM  

GrailOfThunder: TL;DR - The young and poor are historically more liberal, but when they start making more money they get more economically conservative.

[lolfunnymeme.com image 273x200]


I feel like that's going to happen to me, but regardless of how economically conservative I might get, I can't imagine any reason why I would vote for the Republicans in their current state.
 
2014-07-16 01:13:26 AM  

Lionel Mandrake: doglover: Blues_X: [www.macrofugue.com image 500x370]

Oh wow. That has to be fake. It's too perfect.

[2.bp.blogspot.com image 320x242]

I'm pretty sure it's for real...it wouldn't even be close to the dumbest thing seen or heard at a teabagger rally.


That one is for real... took it myself. Yes was a bagger rally. Had my intelligence questioned by morons and threatened with bodily harm during what I thought was a nice enlightening conversation... good times

First/only public internets pic post:

http://www.fark.com/comments/4632683/54350269#c54350269

fun? sad? to see it still referenced...
 
2014-07-16 01:19:23 AM  
So  now the Atlantic has latched onto that Reason Foundation poll giving us yet another thread on the topic?

Considering the amount of time the GOP have spent falsely equating Marxism with Socialism with Liberalism with the Democratic party it's no wonder so many are unsure what that is.

Also Reason tends to think Capitalism and Free Markets are interchangeable terms so they don't really get to say too much here.
 
2014-07-16 01:20:38 AM  

GrailOfThunder: TL;DR - The young and poor are historically more liberal, but when they start making more money they get more economically conservative.

[lolfunnymeme.com image 273x200]


Hopefully people will eventually get it through their thick skulls that conservative economic policies are bad for even the majority of people making a good living.

Businesses depend on having people with money to pay for their goods and services.  The more people who can afford those goods and services the better business will be, and the more money most people will make.

Unless you're a member of the plutocracy where practically all of your income comes from the money you already have making you more money conservative economic policies are not going to be good for you.
 
2014-07-16 01:22:32 AM  

Mithiwithi: 1derful: Americans love socialism....they just hate the word socialism.

No they don't. No one, including the Democrats, were thrilled at the idea of the United Stated owning General Motors, and everyone breathed a sigh of relief when it was handed back over to private investors.

/are you a Millenial, by any chance?
//because you know as much about socialism as the people polled in TFA


I don't think you meant it to be, but this post is an excellent take down of the premise that millennials can't define socialism.

I live in a western country that is significantly more socialist than the US (redundant, I know) and outright state ownership of a company is certainly not what I think of when I ponder socialism. Things like universal healthcare, equitable labour laws, significant maternity/parental/bereavement leave enshrined in law, etc. are the first things I come up with. The notion that it is worthwhile to guarantee everyone in the society a certain minimum standard of living.

Judging by the study, I'd say your definition (as narrow and non-essential to the concept of socialism as it is) would have been judged more correct than mine, as that is the boogeyman version so popular there.
 
2014-07-16 01:24:33 AM  
They are also fans of realistic, down-to-earth TV shows that are completely off-the-wall and swarming with magic robots.
 
2014-07-16 01:24:39 AM  

TuteTibiImperes: Mithiwithi: 1derful: Americans love socialism....they just hate the word socialism.

No they don't. No one, including the Democrats, were thrilled at the idea of the United Stated owning General Motors, and everyone breathed a sigh of relief when it was handed back over to private investors.

/are you a Millenial, by any chance?
//because you know as much about socialism as the people polled in TFA

Americans like certain socialized programs.  Social Security and Medicare are overall very popular.  Most people who aren't crazy rightwingers like our public schools, food stamp programs, unemployment benefits, and general welfare allowances.

Many people (maybe even most) would like to see us move to a universal single payer health system.

When talking about socialism in the US nobody taken seriously is recommending Marxism, they're talking about the Nordic Model where free enterprise is encouraged in most areas, and services deemed as basic human rights are publicly provided equally for all.


You mean the Nordic model used in countries that kick America's ass in almost every non-military regard? Why would we want to emulate THOSE?
 
2014-07-16 01:29:25 AM  

limeyfellow: Fart_Machine: [www.johnennis.tv image 450x600]

That has to be one of my favourites. Their hatred of the term Czar is just.. well so Soviet.


People don't know this, but the term 'czar' came from the Roman Caesar.  And as you know, Caesar was betrayed by Brutus which was referenced in that famous play with the line "E tu Brute?" which I believe is Italian.
 
2014-07-16 01:29:42 AM  
Biased survey designs can alter responses? Color me shocked.
 
2014-07-16 01:31:49 AM  
So what is the ism that captures, I want everything but I do not want to pay for it but I want the govt to be super compassionate and help every niggling issue but I still do not want to pay for it but still give me free stuff?
 
2014-07-16 01:35:22 AM  

Mrtraveler01: GrailOfThunder: TL;DR - The young and poor are historically more liberal, but when they start making more money they get more economically conservative.

[lolfunnymeme.com image 273x200]

I feel like that's going to happen to me, but regardless of how economically conservative I might get, I can't imagine any reason why I would vote for the Republicans in their current state.


That's one reason why I hate our current 2 party system. We're pretty much pigeon-holed.
 
2014-07-16 01:36:53 AM  

Saiga410: So what is the ism that captures, I want everything but I do not want to pay for it but I want the govt to be super compassionate and help every niggling issue but I still do not want to pay for it but still give me free stuff?


The Tea Party?
 
2014-07-16 01:38:16 AM  

GrailOfThunder: TL;DR - The young and poor are historically more liberal, but when they start making more money they get more economically conservative.

[lolfunnymeme.com image 273x200]


This is actually an old canard. According to some excellent research done by Pew, your politics are pretty well established based on the political landscape when you first begin voting. Older Boomers who came of voting age during the failed Nixon admin have tended to support the Dems more than the national average, while the younger Boomers who turned 18 during the mess of the Ford/Carter years tend to vote Republican more than the national average. Gen X is also divided - the older ones who began voting under Reagan are more Republican, while younger Gen X'ers like me who started voting while Clinton was in office have been pretty solidly Dem in the past 5 out of 6 elections. The Millennials who have come of voting age under Obama have voted Dem consistently every time.

The GOP should be very concerned about the Millennials and younger Gen X'ers who first became political during the Bush Jr. debacle and the Obama recovery years, because they are unlikely to change their politics much moving forward, based on past generations. Having a shiatty Dubya presidency seems to have had the same effect as a good Dem presidency would have had during those years, so it's been almost as if you had a good Dem president for 16 straight years.

That those younger Gen X and Millinneal age groups make up most Fark users should make it no surprise that Fark Politics tend to skew Liberal, even though this has not been purposely designed to be a Liberal website. Speaking for myself, I was raised Republican but switched sides halfway through the Dubya presidency, and in my mid-30s now, cannot imagine EVER voting Republican again - their actions over the past decade + have been that unforgivable.
 
2014-07-16 01:46:14 AM  
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2014-07-16 01:47:30 AM  
"hahaha Israelis and Palestinians live in constant fear of rocket attacks, isn't that just hilarious? XD LOL" - Jon Stewart
 
2014-07-16 01:54:06 AM  
Think this got covered in another thread. Fox News & co have been telling them for the last six years that everything Obama does is the epitome of socialism. They like Obama, and therefore they like socialism. Congratulations, Fox News - Mission Accomplished!
 
2014-07-16 01:58:00 AM  

Lanadapter: "hahaha Israelis and Palestinians live in constant fear of rocket attacks, isn't that just hilarious? XD LOL" - Jon Stewart


Right. The Israelis are so scared that they sit on top of a hill with popcorn and cheer every time they see an explosion. And apparently this practice is nothing new.

static01.nyt.com
 
2014-07-16 01:58:57 AM  
Political threads on Fark are like a level of hell.
 
2014-07-16 02:08:51 AM  

shower_in_my_socks: The Republican corporatists have been working overtime to turn "socialism" into a scary bad word just like they did with the word "liberal." Never mind that the Boomer generation that has fallen for these scare tactics the most are the very people who will need socialism the most over the next few decades.


Socialism has been a dirty word for at least the last century.

H.L. Mencken's definition -
"Socialist: A man suffering from an overwhelming conviction to believe what is not true."

Nailed that idea, like so many others.

Socialism is based the overwhelming conviction that the motivations of an individual are of no consequence compared to the goals of a socialist government.
 
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