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(Re/code)   Apple & IBM team up to sell products and services. This is not a repeat from 1992   (recode.net) divider line 40
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2014-07-15 09:55:46 PM
Two mega giants sucking each other's tits.
 
2014-07-16 12:42:28 AM
I was curious what Apple would do in this area.  Their enterprise support teams weren't up to the task of supporting large enterprises so this may be a good fit.
 
2014-07-16 12:43:10 AM
It makes sense, there's potential for a lot of profit in business use, and as the article states IBM has experience in that field that Apple lacks.  I'm more surprised that Microsoft hasn't made a stronger play for the enterprise with Windows Phone and Surface tablets, MS has as much experience in the enterprise market as IBM does so it would seem to be a natural fit.

IBM was the driving force behind the PowerPC CPUs that Apple used up through the mid 2000s, so the companies do have a history together.
 
2014-07-16 12:50:30 AM
FTA:
"We will get to remake professions and unlock value that companies don't yet have," she said. "We're addressing serious issues that before this had been inhibiting deployment of wireless in the enterprise."

While that sounds like a bunch of sales and marketing wharrggarrbl to me, reading the rest of the article makes me think that this is going to be very, very bad for Microsoft. Very bad, indeed.
 
2014-07-16 01:09:51 AM

Unscratchable_Itch: FTA:
"We will get to remake professions and unlock value that companies don't yet have," she said. "We're addressing serious issues that before this had been inhibiting deployment of wireless in the enterprise."

While that sounds like a bunch of sales and marketing wharrggarrbl to me, reading the rest of the article makes me think that this is going to be very, very bad for Microsoft. Very bad, indeed.


MS is positioning itself to be a universal software and cloud service provider.  I have an Android phone, but I use the MS options for a lot of the things that Google also offers solutions for because I prefer the MS offerings.  So even though I don't have a Windows Phone at the moment ( I used to, and I'd like to again once MS gets their app selection issue worked out) I still use OneDrive, OneNote, Xbox Music and Bing on Android.
 
2014-07-16 01:13:03 AM
"Apple and IBM Team Up to Push iOS in the Enterprise"

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2014-07-16 02:11:12 AM
www.os2bg.net

/does no one ever learn?
 
2014-07-16 02:20:26 AM
please, oh please fark each other over and ruin each other profit margin. PLEASE..

/fark you ibm
/fark you apple

//you both deserve to die.
 
2014-07-16 03:29:53 AM
blogs-images.forbes.com

Meet the new Fanbois?  Same as the old........
 
2014-07-16 05:27:25 AM
"We will get to remake professions and unlock value that companies don't yet have," she said. "We're addressing serious issues that before this had been inhibiting deployment of wireless in the enterprise."

Translation: Lotus Notes and all the expensive, shiatty "enterprise" tools that we sell are getting an iOS client.
 
2014-07-16 07:04:18 AM

farkeruk: Translation: Lotus Notes and all the expensive, shiatty "enterprise" tools that we sell are getting an iOS client.


Exactly!  Next up, WebSphere for iOS -- nobody knows what it does but it'll sell for $100,000/core
 
2014-07-16 07:24:07 AM
Oh they are so on the way down. They are making the same mistakes as before and they have lost the only person who could drag them off this course.

A large company makes decisions that are very predictable. They are made by groups of people in meetings and fall victim to lowest common denominator decisions.

When Jobs was in charge they had one guy making decisions. They could be edgy, insightful and inventive (to a degree, it`s still just one guy) because if Jobs thought it was a good idea it could get done. Now you have to convince a committee...

They will fall back to safe decisions and corporate groupthink.

They have some inertia but they are doomed.
 
2014-07-16 07:45:31 AM

viscountalpha: please, oh please fark each other over and ruin each other profit margin. PLEASE..

/fark you ibm
/fark you apple

//you both deserve to die.


I get the Apple hate.   I don't really get the IBM hate.   Did you get raped on your last System eX5 purchase?
 
2014-07-16 08:04:58 AM

dready zim: When Jobs was in charge they had one guy making decisions. They could be edgy, insightful and inventive (to a degree, it`s still just one guy) because if Jobs thought it was a good idea it could get done. Now you have to convince a committee...

They will fall back to safe decisions and corporate groupthink.

They have some inertia but they are doomed.


I remember seeing an ex-Apple employee being asked about the corporate culture (in the time of Jobs) and he said that it was the biggest startup in the world. Very few large companies operate like Apple did, where the CEO plays with the product and throws it back with a list of things that are wrong with it.
 
2014-07-16 08:05:59 AM

DigitalCoffee: [www.os2bg.net image 850x531]

/does no one ever learn?


Actually, OS/2 Warp had a very long life running ATMs and POS terminals, so it was hardly a failure.
 
2014-07-16 08:25:48 AM

farkeruk: dready zim: When Jobs was in charge they had one guy making decisions. They could be edgy, insightful and inventive (to a degree, it`s still just one guy) because if Jobs thought it was a good idea it could get done. Now you have to convince a committee...

They will fall back to safe decisions and corporate groupthink.

They have some inertia but they are doomed.

I remember seeing an ex-Apple employee being asked about the corporate culture (in the time of Jobs) and he said that it was the biggest startup in the world. Very few large companies operate like Apple did, where the CEO plays with the product and throws it back with a list of things that are wrong with it.


Yeah, that's something that gets lost nowadays in the era of Mister Mega CEO, who is hired primarily as a spokesperson that Wall Street likes, but in reality know very little about the actual product going out the door. For all of his jerkiness, at least Jobs seemed to care about the actual devices.

There was some article I read about the CEO of an American car company (maybe it was Chrysler), who didn't know about the quality of his cars, because whenever he was given a car to drive (at the end of the design cycle, because, why would he care about the car DURING the design cycle, that's what engineers are for!) it was never "just off the line" but instead was gone over by the entire team of engineers to ensure everything was perfect about it. He was honestly baffled by various complaints and recalls, because in his experience, the car ran perfectly, due to the extra care his car got.
 
2014-07-16 08:43:24 AM

simusid: viscountalpha: please, oh please fark each other over and ruin each other profit margin. PLEASE..

/fark you ibm
/fark you apple

//you both deserve to die.

I get the Apple hate.   I don't really get the IBM hate.   Did you get raped on your last System eX5 purchase?


sometimes tech nerds behave like republicans, if there's somebody they don't like that joins forces with somebody they previously didn't hold ill-will towards - they now hate them too

unless apple worked with google and microsoft, then the universe would collapse
 
2014-07-16 08:46:24 AM

simusid: viscountalpha: please, oh please fark each other over and ruin each other profit margin. PLEASE..

/fark you ibm
/fark you apple

//you both deserve to die.

I get the Apple hate.   I don't really get the IBM hate.   Did you get raped on your last System eX5 purchase?


Their software division is absolutely horrendous.  At one point they threatened to close my ticket because I hadn't responded to their request for five days.  Meanwhile, even after a YEAR of "2nd level support", they still haven't fixed the bug that prevents a fundamental feature of the software from working properly.  Not to mention that any time we want to buy something from them, we literally have to beg the sales person for weeks on end just to sign the contract so that we can have the privilege of paying him tens of thousands of dollars.  Lastly, 100% of the people I've spoken to who work in software companies taken over by IBM say the company is significantly worse off after said take over.
 
2014-07-16 09:04:52 AM
cache.wists.com
I remember my first Apple AIX server.
 
2014-07-16 09:05:20 AM
lh5.googleusercontent.com
 
2014-07-16 09:32:12 AM

GDSE: Their software division is absolutely horrendous.  At one point they threatened to close my ticket because I hadn't responded to their request for five days.  Meanwhile, even after a YEAR of "2nd level support", they still haven't fixed the bug that prevents a fundamental feature of the software from working properly.  Not to mention that any time we want to buy something from them, we literally have to beg the sales person for weeks on end just to sign the contract so that we can have the privilege of paying him tens of thousands of dollars.


The problem with software by IBM (and SAP and Oracle) is that the people who buy it are generally miles away from the poor bastards using it. Microsoft or Adobe stuff gets used by companies of all sorts of sizes, so if it's garbage, the people who bought it are going to get their staff biatching about what garbage it is. In a huge company, they're probably never going to hear.

And my general rule with software: if you can't get it for free or buy it from a website with a credit card, it's probably overpriced garbage. Sales people only really exist in software so they can get into your company, figure out the organisational structure and get access to powerful morons.
 
2014-07-16 09:38:56 AM

farkeruk: dready zim: When Jobs was in charge they had one guy making decisions. They could be edgy, insightful and inventive (to a degree, it`s still just one guy) because if Jobs thought it was a good idea it could get done. Now you have to convince a committee...

They will fall back to safe decisions and corporate groupthink.

They have some inertia but they are doomed.

I remember seeing an ex-Apple employee being asked about the corporate culture (in the time of Jobs) and he said that it was the biggest startup in the world. Very few large companies operate like Apple did, where the CEO plays with the product and throws it back with a list of things that are wrong with it.


Wait, so opinionated junk I pulled out of my ass turns out to be pretty much true?

Well I suppose it had to happen sometime.
 
2014-07-16 09:45:01 AM

simusid: I get the Apple hate.   I don't really get the IBM hate.   Did you get raped on your last System eX5 purchase?


I'm not sure I even get the Apple hate? Did Steve Jobs personally kick everyone's dog?
 
2014-07-16 10:04:17 AM
The unserious Apple/serious IBM thing is still going on all these years later. It's hilarious.

For a personal device everyone loves Apple's "it will not look like crap" policy. But suddenly take the same iPad into a serious sitdown time and you feel like you have to apologize for bringing in your daughter's Playmobil with you.

Honestly there's a little "serious business machines should look like crap" in this. To some degree the business of business is a war kind of business. Sometimes that's the guy who wants to be a big money go-getter reading Sun Tzu, but sometimes it's just the fact that you're facing towards people (customers and competitors) who don't want you to have money that you want to have.

Maybe this just needs to be like those Hello Kitty cases you can get for iPhones. All of Apple's stuff should have snap-off cases you can replace with angry, dark, sharp-cornered ones to look like you're ready to throw them at your competitors' lawyers at any moment.
 
2014-07-16 10:23:19 AM

gnosis301: Two mega giants sucking each other's tits.


For some reason, I read that using a Scottish accent.
 
2014-07-16 10:33:25 AM

Do you know who Garblox is: simusid: I get the Apple hate.   I don't really get the IBM hate.   Did you get raped on your last System eX5 purchase?

I'm not sure I even get the Apple hate? Did Steve Jobs personally kick everyone's dog?


The hate started when Apple started donating heavily to AIDS charities through (RED). Then Jobs actively called out Rupert Murdoch for creating division in the US in the name of profit. From there, Jobs announced he would personally do what he could to help rid Washington of the Neocons, going so far as to offer to be an instrumental piece of Obama's (a.k.a. Fartbongo, a.k.a. Czarbama, a.k.a. 0bummer, a.k.a. that uppity ____) advertising campaign. The apparent last straw was when the US government awarded Apple/Jobs the rights to the rectangle and round corners (I wish I were joking, but people believe this; even here on Fark).
 
2014-07-16 10:59:27 AM
Meh. No seriously, this meh.
 
2014-07-16 11:04:24 AM

Fark like a Barsoomian: The unserious Apple/serious IBM thing is still going on all these years later. It's hilarious.

For a personal device everyone loves Apple's "it will not look like crap" policy. But suddenly take the same iPad into a serious sitdown time and you feel like you have to apologize for bringing in your daughter's Playmobil with you.

Honestly there's a little "serious business machines should look like crap" in this. To some degree the business of business is a war kind of business. Sometimes that's the guy who wants to be a big money go-getter reading Sun Tzu, but sometimes it's just the fact that you're facing towards people (customers and competitors) who don't want you to have money that you want to have.

Maybe this just needs to be like those Hello Kitty cases you can get for iPhones. All of Apple's stuff should have snap-off cases you can replace with angry, dark, sharp-cornered ones to look like you're ready to throw them at your competitors' lawyers at any moment.


Well, yes and no. Things like cash registers need all sorts of accouterments above and beyond what normally gets plugged into a tablet/smartphone. Cash draws. UPC scanners. Credit card machines. They also need a ruggedized case that can be cleaned by your average cleaning staff. Namely sprayed down with window cleaner and scrubbed with a cloth. So IBM needs to be able to tinker on the hardware level, as well as embed the guts in adamantium.

What they want out of apple is a headstart on all of the low-power work they have been doing, and not having to write their own interface from first principle is a bonus.
 
2014-07-16 11:15:49 AM
As someone who has worked with and for IBM for a decade, let me just say: F*ck you IBM.

Apple beware
 
2014-07-16 11:26:42 AM

Nadie_AZ: As someone who has worked with and for IBM for a decade, let me just say: F*ck you IBM.


I worked with them for 7 months.  Got a decent gig travelling from Louisiana to Boston every week last winter, but when a friend from a previous studio told me about an opportunity in games, I could not leave fast enough.  There was way too much big business shiat going on at IBM, and all the people they hired were not doing what they interviewed for.  Development jobs were outsourced; meetings happened 6 hours a day at odd times due to the fact that much of the workforce was halfway around the world; and a lot of bright, young minds were stuck doing mind-numbing office jobs.
 
2014-07-16 11:48:55 AM

farkeruk: GDSE: Their software division is absolutely horrendous.  At one point they threatened to close my ticket because I hadn't responded to their request for five days.  Meanwhile, even after a YEAR of "2nd level support", they still haven't fixed the bug that prevents a fundamental feature of the software from working properly.  Not to mention that any time we want to buy something from them, we literally have to beg the sales person for weeks on end just to sign the contract so that we can have the privilege of paying him tens of thousands of dollars.

The problem with software by IBM (and SAP and Oracle) is that the people who buy it are generally miles away from the poor bastards using it. Microsoft or Adobe stuff gets used by companies of all sorts of sizes, so if it's garbage, the people who bought it are going to get their staff biatching about what garbage it is. In a huge company, they're probably never going to hear.

And my general rule with software: if you can't get it for free or buy it from a website with a credit card, it's probably overpriced garbage. Sales people only really exist in software so they can get into your company, figure out the organisational structure and get access to powerful morons.


I agree with your evaluation of software sales people and will even take it to some "solutions providers." My previous employer outsourced their entire travel approval/expense voucher/payment system to an outside vendor. The whole thing added complexity to what had previously been a simple system, all in the new of "transparency and uniformity" across divisions. Before I left, I regularly had employees tell me they would rather pay for their travel out of pocket and forego reimbursement rather that deal with the mess that was that system. I've used a lot of web applications and other obscure software, and could generally figure out and troubleshoot my own stuff from DOS 3 forward, but I had to agree with them on that "system." They put out a survey on the new system after about 6 months. I told them they had a system bordering on failure. As far as I know, they still have it. If the employees ever found out who signed the contract, he or she would probably need to go into hiding (o.k., that might be hyperbole).

The new place has its own in-house system, basically a glorified on-line spreadsheet. It is simple and fast. I generally have my money within 10 business days, unless I make a dumb mistake (off by $0.01? Kicked back).
 
2014-07-16 11:53:01 AM
As for the topic of the article, my company uses iOS for in-house mobile devices, and supports only iOS and Windows Phone for BYOD. I doubt very much will change. I wonder how much this is an advance move since Google announced that they have licensed (I think that's right) Knox for Android "L"?
 
2014-07-16 12:03:03 PM

farkeruk: GDSE: Their software division is absolutely horrendous.  At one point they threatened to close my ticket because I hadn't responded to their request for five days.  Meanwhile, even after a YEAR of "2nd level support", they still haven't fixed the bug that prevents a fundamental feature of the software from working properly.  Not to mention that any time we want to buy something from them, we literally have to beg the sales person for weeks on end just to sign the contract so that we can have the privilege of paying him tens of thousands of dollars.

The problem with software by IBM (and SAP and Oracle) is that the people who buy it are generally miles away from the poor bastards using it. Microsoft or Adobe stuff gets used by companies of all sorts of sizes, so if it's garbage, the people who bought it are going to get their staff biatching about what garbage it is. In a huge company, they're probably never going to hear.

And my general rule with software: if you can't get it for free or buy it from a website with a credit card, it's probably overpriced garbage. Sales people only really exist in software so they can get into your company, figure out the organisational structure and get access to powerful morons.


What really bothers me is the company's arrogance (or incompetence)... that they think it's acceptable to (1) threaten their customers with a deadline on a support ticket, even though they aren't held accountable to a schedule themselves and (2) to force their customers to repeatedly ask their sales people to sell them software.  There wasn't even a sales job required - we already decided to upgrade and were waving the cheque in their faces.

/Lotus Notes is a POS too.
 
2014-07-16 12:40:13 PM

GDSE: /Lotus Notes is a POS too.


There isn't enough descriptive words to sufficiently describe how bad it is.
 
2014-07-16 01:04:34 PM
Too bad no one has associated IBM with workplace productivity since they sold their PC division off to Lenovo and Microsoft Office bludgeoned Lotus to death.
 
2014-07-16 02:21:07 PM

snowshovel: There was some article I read about the CEO of an American car company (maybe it was Chrysler), who didn't know about the quality of his cars, because whenever he was given a car to drive (at the end of the design cycle, because, why would he care about the car DURING the design cycle, that's what engineers are for!) it was never "just off the line" but instead was gone over by the entire team of engineers to ensure everything was perfect about it. He was honestly baffled by various complaints and recalls, because in his experience, the car ran perfectly, due to the extra care his car got.


Pretty sure that was GM.  In fact, I think this anecdote is in  On A Clear Day You Can See General Motors - John Z. DeLorean's Look Inside The Automotive Giant,but I'm not positive.
 
2014-07-16 08:14:17 PM

AdamK: sometimes tech nerds behave like republicans,


Adam, you lost me at "You are a moron"
 
2014-07-16 09:49:26 PM

gingerjet: I was curious what Apple would do in this area.  Their enterprise support teams weren't up to the task of supporting large enterprises so this may be a good fit.


True dat. I want to see some real hardware like the Xserve again, but IBM is probably going to head that up.

/I have a G5, two iBooks, and a G5 Xserve
//Don't have the cash for Intel
///resurrected the Xserve with a soldering iron and radioshack capacitors
 
2014-07-17 01:36:50 AM

Unobtanium: As for the topic of the article, my company uses iOS for in-house mobile devices, and supports only iOS and Windows Phone for BYOD. I doubt very much will change. I wonder how much this is an advance move since Google announced that they have licensed (I think that's right) Knox for Android "L"?


Samsung gave it to them
 
2014-07-17 09:48:30 AM
Last year [IBM] made a significant bet around developing mobile software for the enterprise with an initiative it called MobileFirst. In working with Apple, it has created an extension, dubbed MobileFirst, for iOS.

Ooh, creative naming.
 
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