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(The Business Journals)   Mass Christian college to Obama Administration: We want an exemption from your proposed law so we can discriminate against hiring gays and lesbians. New England Association of School and College: So, about that accreditation of yours   ( bizjournals.com) divider line
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2014-07-15 04:00:02 PM  
8 votes:

Gunny Highway: Magorn: Boerne SHOULD have been controlling in the Hobby Lobby case but wasn't so where we are now is anybody's guess

The backside of another dune.  Who knows what is on the other side.


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Sandworms. Lots and lots of sandworms. Wormsign even the likes of which even God has never seen.
2014-07-15 01:30:15 PM  
5 votes:
He took his 30 pieces of silver, and now he doesn't want the Pharisees telling him what to do?

That's not how it works.
2014-07-15 03:49:02 PM  
3 votes:
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2014-07-15 01:25:38 PM  
3 votes:

RexTalionis: "OMG, they are oppressing my free speech!"


very close.  needs more derp about the president being a sekrit mooslim imposing shariah law on 'merka.
2014-07-15 07:12:34 PM  
2 votes:

Duke_leto_Atredes: Danger Avoid Death: Gunny Highway: Magorn: Boerne SHOULD have been controlling in the Hobby Lobby case but wasn't so where we are now is anybody's guess

The backside of another dune.  Who knows what is on the other side.

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Sandworms. Lots and lots of sandworms. Wormsign even the likes of which even God has never seen.

well ok, they don't have to hire rug munchers and fudge packers, but they don't get any federal money either. Accreditation should be based solely on the academic program. stop forcing the homosexual agenda on every single group, organization and business. don't like them go else ware.


The ONE guy in this thread I would have expected some Dune banter from, and you have to go and lay that on us. Thanks.

Just for that:

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Just because.
2014-07-15 05:40:32 PM  
2 votes:
Jesus christ someone give Thunderpipes the attention he's clearly desperate for.
2014-07-15 04:52:42 PM  
2 votes:
Clemkadidlefark: Let's see who's laughing when Islamic based organizations ask the same thing. I'm sure Subby and the Farkers want to deliver ObamaCare's demands ..

You're probably right, so go ahead and hold your breath until it happens.  That way, when the time comes, you can laugh louder.
2014-07-15 04:15:18 PM  
2 votes:

TheOtherMisterP: The bible has VERY little to say about homosexuality. It has far more to say about pre-marital heterosexual activity.

I'd argue that if Christian colleges don't want to hire homosexuals, then they should not hire unmarried non-virgins either.

The bible does teach that homosexuality is a sin. It also teaches that everyone is a sinner. So why make a special case against teh gheys?


Because Jesus was totally clear when he said "that which you do to the least of you, you do to me...except for the gays.  Do unto them all you want.  Seriously, I hate the queers.  Why do I hang out with 12 dudes?  Um..."
2014-07-15 03:51:46 PM  
2 votes:

Marcus Aurelius: He took his 30 pieces of silver, and now he doesn't want the Pharisees telling him what to do?

That's not how it works.


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/This is why I love FARK
2014-07-15 03:31:05 PM  
2 votes:
This can't be true. I was informed that the HL decision would never, ever, under any circumstances, be cited in an attempt to justify discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation.
2014-07-15 02:03:19 PM  
2 votes:
My brother went a similar route in law school. The farking law school library (of all places) was not accessible to wheelchairs. He didn't want to sue them, only for them to correct the problem. Their attempt at reasonable accommodation was to have library staff run in and out to get him the books he needed, instead of spending money for the upgrades. They figured he'd graduate before the lawsuit could be completed and he'd lose interest. Several professors even offered to represent him but he felt they were just looking to fark over the dean to settle old scores rather than actually sincere about accessibility. So he saw an announcement about visitors to the University from the American Bar association and sent a nice note to the Dean explaining that he wasn't going to waste his time suing the university, when it was easier to tell the ABA what they were doing. If they lost their accreditation it would harm him because he'd have to switch schools... but it would hurt the school a lot more. Magically, the money to add a ramp and replace the elevator that was always broken appeared.
2014-07-15 01:13:43 PM  
2 votes:
"OMG, they are oppressing my free speech!"
2014-07-15 08:57:53 PM  
1 vote:

Bawdy George: Callous: Bawdy George: Callous:  Please demonstrate where I tried to defend it.

Callous:  No, it's the unrepentant part of it.  If you are living as an open homosexual or continue to engage in the behavior you're an unrepentant sinner.  An alcoholic who continues to drink is an unrepentant sinner as well.  While a recovering alcoholic who no longer drinks is a repentant sinner.  Therefore a homosexual who renounces homosexuality and no longer engages in the behavior would be a repentant sinner.

You can replace homosexuality or alcoholism with just about any sin.  The line is drawn at whether or not you are actively engaging in that sin without any intention of stopping or remorse.

Nope, totally not defending Christian bigotry. At least you didn't try to deny your utter failure.

Defining how their beliefs work is not defending it.  I was merely trying to give people the facts about how Christian beliefs are formed, right wrong or indifferent.  You apparently can't handle that and had an emotional meltdown and started calling me names.

AKA the "some people say..." technique


Now you're just flailing.
2014-07-15 07:10:54 PM  
1 vote:

Callous: Is bigot the primary word in your vocabulary or is it just your go to when you got nothing?


I go to it when it's accurate.
2014-07-15 05:36:20 PM  
1 vote:

Magorn: Human sacrifice?


Tourist season in D.C..  No bag limit, no slot.
2014-07-15 05:31:14 PM  
1 vote:

ciberido: That liquid that comes from a rare steak is not blood. It's myoglobin. Of course, since this is religion you're talking about, you can always say "well, it COUNTS as blood" the same way electricity counts as fire for some Jews.


Is this why Passover contains a ban on new-world foodstuffs, like corn and potatoes?
2014-07-15 05:27:12 PM  
1 vote:

TheOtherMisterP: Well, they have an easy out on that one. If you look at the Bible as a whole, the law of the New Testament replaces the law of the Old. So we are no longer bound by all of those old rules.


Then they should be quoting Leviticus in such an in-your-face manner.  (Literally--sometimes they shove a sign marked with the relevant passage from Leviticus into people's faces.)

So far as I recall, Jesus only mentioned sexual sins on three occasions--and one of those was to condemn divorce.  (Massachusetts has the lowest divorce rate in the USA, while the Bible Belt is way up there.)
2014-07-15 05:22:23 PM  
1 vote:

Nix Nightbird: If they were standing up for the beliefs they're allegedly supposed to divine from Leviticus, then they wouldn't be hiring or admitting anyone who:


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You left out "loans money at interest".  It is prohibited several times in the OT, yet people forget to bring it up in lists like this.  Since a lot of conservatives work with money, this is a stronger arguing point than the usual cotton-polyester blends and lobster.

The "selling land permanently" think is new on me.  I'll have to look that one up.
2014-07-15 05:21:32 PM  
1 vote:

NotARocketScientist: er.... fools not folds.


I was half wondering if that was some sort of new slang the kids are using these days.
2014-07-15 05:18:33 PM  
1 vote:

Arumat: Copper Spork: netizencain: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion

Establishment means they can't start their own religion. It does not mean they can't enforce someone else's religion. All it means is that you are free to choose how to worship Jesus Christ, whether you are a Catholic, Protestant or Evangelical.

I really wish there weren't so many people eagerly and genuinely dishing up this Poeslaw.


Edgar Allen's Poe Slawtm to be offered on Fishtastic Friday's at The Pit and the Pendulum
2014-07-15 05:17:44 PM  
1 vote:

Callous: No, it's the unrepentant part of it.  If you are living as an open homosexual or continue to engage in the behavior you're an unrepentant sinner.  An alcoholic who continues to drink is an unrepentant sinner as well.  While a recovering alcoholic who no longer drinks is a repentant sinner.  Therefore a homosexual who renounces homosexuality and no longer engages in the behavior would be a repentant sinner.

You can replace homosexuality or alcoholism with just about any sin.  The line is drawn at whether or not you are actively engaging in that sin without any intention of stopping or remorse.


That would be logical (however horrible) if indeed homosexuality were a behavior, as it was once thought to be.  But we now understand that homosexuality is part of who a person IS, it's an innate and unalterable characteristic like skin color.

The twist is, when I say "we now understand," I'm actually talking about something that happened thousands of years ago, since  Jesus Himself acknowledged that some men are born gay (as the term "'natural or non-castrated' eunuch" at that time could refer to a gay man).

In short, suggesting that a homosexual should repent of being gay is quite as asinine as suggesting that a black person should repent of their skin.

However, since you do bring the matter up, don't you think God disapproves of those who judge and condemn others, in defiance of His laws, and do so over and over again, unrepentantly?
2014-07-15 05:09:30 PM  
1 vote:

kbronsito: My brother went a similar route in law school. The farking law school library (of all places) was not accessible to wheelchairs. He didn't want to sue them, only for them to correct the problem. Their attempt at reasonable accommodation was to have library staff run in and out to get him the books he needed, instead of spending money for the upgrades. They figured he'd graduate before the lawsuit could be completed and he'd lose interest. Several professors even offered to represent him but he felt they were just looking to fark over the dean to settle old scores rather than actually sincere about accessibility. So he saw an announcement about visitors to the University from the American Bar association and sent a nice note to the Dean explaining that he wasn't going to waste his time suing the university, when it was easier to tell the ABA what they were doing. If they lost their accreditation it would harm him because he'd have to switch schools... but it would hurt the school a lot more. Magically, the money to add a ramp and replace the elevator that was always broken appeared.


Your brother must be a fine lawyer- most law students wouldn't have his practical savvy, you generally learn that in practice (and sometimes the hard way.)  Cheers.
2014-07-15 04:59:33 PM  
1 vote:

Danger Avoid Death: Gunny Highway: Magorn: Boerne SHOULD have been controlling in the Hobby Lobby case but wasn't so where we are now is anybody's guess

The backside of another dune.  Who knows what is on the other side.

[img.tfd.com image 600x338]

Sandworms. Lots and lots of sandworms. Wormsign even the likes of which even God has never seen.


"It is by derp alone I set my mind in motion."
2014-07-15 04:44:00 PM  
1 vote:

Callous: I May Be Crazy But...: Not all Very few Christians hate gays.

But many believe that homosexuality is a sin.  Some don't.  There are many many different Christian sects with different beliefs.

And stop throwing the "hate" word around.  For 99.9% of the people that believe that homosexuality is a sin there is no hate or malice involved.  All you do is drive a wedge in further by calling them names.  All it does is demonstrate to them how little you understand them while you scream and cry that they don't understand you.


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Au contraire
2014-07-15 04:38:06 PM  
1 vote:

Lordserb: Meh homosexuality is a sin according to the Bible. At least they are standing up for their beliefs.


They are not.  The Bible also tells us that the Dean and all of the College's administrators are sinners.  But it doesn't keep them from paying themselves.
2014-07-15 04:29:10 PM  
1 vote:

genner: The important thing to remember is that gay marriage doesn't affect you...... as long you don't run a bakery.....or a school. aren't a bigoted asshole who tries to treat other human beings like crap.



FTFY.
2014-07-15 04:27:47 PM  
1 vote:

serial_crusher: Shouldn't an accreditation board make their decisions based on the actual quality of the education students get, not the assholeness of the assholes running the place?


Funny thing is, if you want to be accredited, there's a list of rules you have to agree to follow.  Let's take a look at rule 11.5, shall we?

11.5  The institution adheres to non-discriminatory policies and practices in recruitment, admissions, employment, evaluation, disciplinary action, and advancement. It fosters an atmosphere within the institutional community that respects and supports people of diverse characteristics and backgrounds.
2014-07-15 04:25:17 PM  
1 vote:

Lordserb: Meh homosexuality is a sin according to the Bible. At least they are standing up for their beliefs.


So is eating shrimp. Yet i know a ton of catholics eating those tasty lil bastards every friday during lent.
2014-07-15 04:22:57 PM  
1 vote:

Magorn: what gets sticky is what constitutes an "exercise" of a religion?

Is making the Amish participate in Social Security violating their religious belief that any form of insurance is immoral as it indicates a lack of trust in god? (or to make that example more up to date, How will the individual mandate fare against Christian Scientists claiming they have a right NOT to have insurance since they don't believe in modern medicine)


You have to pay for crap you don't like, just as I have to pay for wars I was opposed to.  If you want to refuse to go to the hospital when you get sick, you can, so long as you're an adult.


Magorn:How about a requirement that kids attend school until they are 16 (again Amish and some Mennonites believe that any schooling beyond the 6th grade level is immoral because it will make the person vain and proud of what they know)

Yep.  A democracy needs educated voters, and you don't have a right to deny your kids an education.


MagornWhat about using a drug in a religious ceremony that the federal government has banned?

Nope - but maybe the dug shouldn't be banned in the first place.  Possibly an exception could be made for natives or aboriginals that were doing that before European colonists took over, but that's not really a religious issue, that's more an "acknowledging that they sorta/kinda get to be their own nation with their own laws" thing.


MagornAnimal sacrifice in contravention of local animal cruelty laws?

Nope.  Use a stuffed animal or something.  Maybe you can "transubstantiate" it into a real, alive animal just before you kill it.


Magorn: Human sacrifice?

Fine I guess, so long as the sacrifice is a consenting adult volunteer.  Though, again, a RealDoll should be sufficient.  Transubstantiate that rascal.

/Funny, you call these questions "sticky," but they seemed pretty damn easy to me.
2014-07-15 04:14:00 PM  
1 vote:

with great power comes great insanity: Lordserb: Meh homosexuality is a sin according to the Bible. At least they are standing up for their beliefs.

There's a lot of other sins that I bet they aren't worrying about in their hiring decisions.

Do all their employees keep the Sabbath holy, honour their parents, reject wearing clothing of differing fabrics, and stop people with eye defects from going to church?


I just looked, and they do, in fact, require a statement about students being Christian in addition to the usual statement about academic fitness. So they do, in fact check if you go to church on Sundays, among other things.

And if you think that's a bit much, you should see what it takes to apply for a faculty position. A friend of mine was asked to sign that she has a whole host of very conservative Christian beliefs for one place. Including, oddly, that women are to be subservient to their husbands. I'm not really clear why they bothered to accept applications from women at all. I encouraged her to sign it, since it explicitly said I'm going to Hell. She didn't finish that application.
2014-07-15 04:10:45 PM  
1 vote:
FTFA: "It does not represent a policy for Gordon. It represents support for the larger underlying issue," the college spokescritter said.

So... in addition to being homophobic bigots, they're Liars for Jesustm
2014-07-15 04:10:06 PM  
1 vote:

Satan's Bunny Slippers: genner: The important thing to remember is that gay marriage doesn't affect you...... as long you don't run a bakery.....or a school.

And it doesn't affect you then either.  Unless you're an asshole who wants to force their beliefs down others' throats and up their vaginas.


Aaaand I've found a new name for my penis.
2014-07-15 04:08:11 PM  
1 vote:

Nix Nightbird: * Burns honey


You know there's a lot of stuff I can tolerate but burning honey is going too far.

/wut
2014-07-15 04:03:04 PM  
1 vote:

kbronsito: Nix Nightbird: * Picks up grapes that have fallen to the ground

No five second rule!


Well, more specifically it's grapes that have fallen to the ground in your vineyard, but the way they branch out to lesbianism with the "lay with another man" thing, I think we can branch out the grape thing to include any grapes that touch any ground, anywhere.
2014-07-15 04:01:21 PM  
1 vote:

Nix Nightbird: * Picks up grapes that have fallen to the ground


No five second rule!
2014-07-15 03:57:53 PM  
1 vote:

APO_Buddha: FTFY
Liberty is actually a regionally accredited (SCACS) university. Bob Jones are the people that give you a piece of paper that has the same value as a used Wendy's napkin.


Not for nothing, but SCACS is the "RANDPAUL License" of accreditation - The South Carolina Association of Christian Schools.

So while you're technically correct, it's not like a credential issued by Liberty is much better. if you're part of the crowd, the name of the institution matters more than any accreditation. If you're not hip to the jive, Liberty might as well have Klingon accreditation.

// last month, I learned Liberty U is not too far from Floyd, VA (hippieville)
2014-07-15 03:54:34 PM  
1 vote:
Wife went to college near there.  Gordon kids used to come to athletic events at wife's college to tell everyone they were going to hell. Good times.  I also work with people who went there, and once (while discussion how to teach the age of the universe with one of our other science guys, since that's the type of stuff we do) offended one of them by joking about the devil burring dinosaur bones to fool us.  So aside from the general issue of them being homophobes, I'm also rooting against them for personal reasons.

Best thing an accreditation organization could do is stop pretending a place of ignorance and hate is actually a place of higher learning.
2014-07-15 03:44:58 PM  
1 vote:
FTFA: "...the issues are complicated "

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2014-07-15 03:43:47 PM  
1 vote:

Dr Dreidel: serial_crusher: Shouldn't an accreditation board make their decisions based on the actual quality of the education students get, not the assholeness of the assholes running the place?

Education - even at the higher levels - involves some measure of socialization. You're going to meet people of every other stripe, and you're going to have to learn how to do that as well as whatever the subject matter involves.

At work, you won't be able to get Gary fired because he doesn't go to church. You won't be able to get Steinberg fired for refusing to take off his hat. You won't be able to get Lizzie the Lezzie fired for her short hair or flannel shirts (only in some states). You won't be able to get Nancy fired for her mark of Cain.

If a state accreditation board has any sense, they'll decide that social engineering (to borrow a conservative buzzword), to the point where you refuse to admit even a single student from the specified group, is a bad thing educationally speaking.

The kids'll get over it.

// or the college will skip "heathen" accreditation altogether to pay off whoever gives Liberty Bob Jones University theirs


FTFY
Liberty is actually a regionally accredited (SCACS) university.  Bob Jones are the people that give you a piece of paper that has the same value as a used Wendy's napkin.
2014-07-15 03:41:09 PM  
1 vote:

kbronsito: My brother went a similar route in law school. The farking law school library (of all places) was not accessible to wheelchairs. He didn't want to sue them, only for them to correct the problem. Their attempt at reasonable accommodation was to have library staff run in and out to get him the books he needed, instead of spending money for the upgrades. They figured he'd graduate before the lawsuit could be completed and he'd lose interest. Several professors even offered to represent him but he felt they were just looking to fark over the dean to settle old scores rather than actually sincere about accessibility. So he saw an announcement about visitors to the University from the American Bar association and sent a nice note to the Dean explaining that he wasn't going to waste his time suing the university, when it was easier to tell the ABA what they were doing. If they lost their accreditation it would harm him because he'd have to switch schools... but it would hurt the school a lot more. Magically, the money to add a ramp and replace the elevator that was always broken appeared.


Good on him. Sometimes, when honey doesn't work, a dash of vinegar in your opponent's mouth does, in fact, cause him to stop grinning in denial.
2014-07-15 03:40:56 PM  
1 vote:
Let's see who's laughing when Islamic based organizations ask the same thing. I'm sure Subby and the Farkers want to deliver ObamaCare's demands ..
2014-07-15 03:37:12 PM  
1 vote:
Do I understand this correctly? They want to be able to discriminate based on orientation but still receive federal funding?
2014-07-15 03:35:02 PM  
1 vote:
I think the question we should be asking is if a gay and/or lesbian individual would have been considering putting an application into a Christian college for anything other than masochistic reasons.
2014-07-15 03:31:14 PM  
1 vote:

serial_crusher: Shouldn't an accreditation board make their decisions based on the actual quality of the education students get, not the assholeness of the assholes running the place?


No.  Accreditation blackmail for non-academic reasons is okay if it's for currently popular social causes.
2014-07-15 03:30:21 PM  
1 vote:

obamadidcoke: serial_crusher: Shouldn't an accreditation board make their decisions based on the actual quality of the education students get, not the assholeness of the assholes running the place?

well if this is the lesson that they are teaching...


The golden rule (he with gold makes the rules) is a damned good lesson to learn early on.
2014-07-15 03:30:07 PM  
1 vote:
The important thing to remember is that gay marriage doesn't affect you...... as long you don't run a bakery.....or a school.
2014-07-15 03:29:07 PM  
1 vote:

Marcus Aurelius: He took his 30 pieces of silver, and now he doesn't want the Pharisees telling him what to do?

That's not how it works.


Niiiiice.
2014-07-15 01:12:42 PM  
1 vote:
They should lose their accreditation for even suggesting that they would do this. The college itself has demonstrated a complete lack of higher-level critical and analytic thinking; how can it now be expected to pass on these traits to students?
 
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