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(The Business Journals)   Mass Christian college to Obama Administration: We want an exemption from your proposed law so we can discriminate against hiring gays and lesbians. New England Association of School and College: So, about that accreditation of yours   (bizjournals.com) divider line 254
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2014-07-16 12:29:28 PM

Callous: patrick767: Callous:
And stop throwing the "hate" word around.  For 99.9% of the people that believe that homosexuality is a sin there is no hate or malice involved.  All you do is drive a wedge in further by calling them names.  All it does is demonstrate to them how little you understand them while you scream and cry that they don't understand you.

Hate may be too strong of a word for many people. On the other hand I call bullshiat on most of the anti-gay Christians who claim to love gay people. They love to spout "hate the sin, love the sinner", but in many Christians' attitudes toward and treatment of gay people, I don't see anything resembling love. Actions count a hell of a lot more than words. Besides, who can love someone without accepting them? Who we choose to love is an integral part of who we are as a person. If we can't accept that aspect of someone's life, then I think it's bullshiat to claim we love them.

Do you hate alcoholics?  How about drug addicts?  Any of your friends or relatives have a criminal record?

You can object to the behavior and not hate the person.  Love doesn't require accepting everything about someone.  Why is it so black or white with you?


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2014-07-16 06:59:25 PM

RobSeace: Callous: highwayrun: Would someone please explain how "Don't hate the sinner, hate the sin" is in any way different from "Don't hate the ni&&er, hate his black skin?"

They believe that homosexuality is an elective behavior and not an unchangeable facet of one's personality.

Their lack of touch with reality is not anyone else's problem but their own... And, it doesn't change the fact that what they're doing still amounts to hate, even if they're delusional enough to believe otherwise... Not being self-aware enough to recognize the hate within oneself just makes it all the worse, not better in any way...


But it also means that, ideally, the long term solution is to try to fix their break with reality.

To a completely rational and enlightened person, it doesn't matter at all whether homosexuality is an innate characteristic or a personal choice.  All the time and effort spent arguing about the biology of homosexuality is for the benefit of those whose (as you put it) lack of touch with reality is causing them to persecute gay folks.

It would be as if you had a patient who believed that redheads were aliens from another planet.  Of course you can just laugh it off and ignore him.  But if he's actually going around attacking redheads, then it becomes worthwhile trying to understand where his delusion is coming from, in an effort to cure it.

We understand that some homophobes are going to be homophobes no matter how much science and education you throw at them.  But there are always going to be some who can be reached.
 
2014-07-16 07:03:20 PM

RobSeace: serial_crusher: Well, it is an "elective behavior", as in the behavior part is elective.

Despite my flippant Michael Jackson reply above, perhaps a more accurate analogy would instead be to left-handed people (who were also once discriminated against and treated as sinful and wrong)... "I love left-handed people! I just hate the awful sin of writing with one's left hand! If only those silly lefties would learn to totally suppress their innate natures and force themselves to use their non-dominant hand, I wouldn't have to keep treating them as evil, subhuman filth!"


I quite like the comparison to  left-handedness.  I may steal it.
 
2014-07-16 10:05:09 PM

ciberido: RobSeace: serial_crusher: Well, it is an "elective behavior", as in the behavior part is elective.

Despite my flippant Michael Jackson reply above, perhaps a more accurate analogy would instead be to left-handed people (who were also once discriminated against and treated as sinful and wrong)... "I love left-handed people! I just hate the awful sin of writing with one's left hand! If only those silly lefties would learn to totally suppress their innate natures and force themselves to use their non-dominant hand, I wouldn't have to keep treating them as evil, subhuman filth!"

I quite like the comparison to  left-handedness.  I may steal it.


I'm gay and left-handed.
 
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