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2014-07-15 11:10:39 AM  
Why do you think they need the gas taxes?
 
2014-07-15 11:14:46 AM  
You know, it's really weird. I was driving from NY to Massachusetts two weekends ago and the part of the road where I was in Connecticut was great, but driving from Queens to Connecticut via the LIE and Whitestone to I-95 was abysmal. The road from CT to Boston was also really bad.
 
2014-07-15 12:14:40 PM  
Sounds like the tobacco settlement proceeds. Did anyone really think that money was going to pay for the damage (health care costs) associated with smoking.
 
2014-07-15 12:16:01 PM  
How much of the fund has been siphoned off to cover other shortfalls.
 
2014-07-15 12:16:49 PM  
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Clearly they should be more reliant on federal funding like the bootstrappy states.
 
2014-07-15 12:17:04 PM  
Wait, it's not PA?
 
2014-07-15 12:17:23 PM  
Yes. But are their national trophy teams owned by heavy equipment dealers?
 
2014-07-15 12:17:44 PM  
I never noticed the roads in Cali as that bad.  For my money, the current state of roads in Indiana is abysmal.  You need the suspension travel of a Jeep just to drive down I-65.  I thought I was going to bottom out on more than one occasion.
 
2014-07-15 12:17:57 PM  
Federal funds pay for huge amounts of road repair. I suspect that CA and CT receive a disproportionately low amount of federal matching monies.
 
2014-07-15 12:18:01 PM  

GoodyearPimp: Wait, it's not PA?


This. I call shenanigans.
 
2014-07-15 12:19:01 PM  
Connecticut: 4th in population density
California: 11th in population density; 2nd in total miles of roadway (PDF warning)

Gee, I wonder what other factors might contribute to this state of things...
 
2014-07-15 12:20:37 PM  
It's almost as if there might be factors other than the rate of gas tax that contribute to road quality.
 
2014-07-15 12:21:20 PM  
So, roads that are driven on more often than others may be in poorer quality?

I assume the roads around Sisterfister, AL, are pristine and unspoiled?
 
2014-07-15 12:22:12 PM  

raerae1980: GoodyearPimp: Wait, it's not PA?

This. I call shenanigans.


Yeah, it's not possible that PA isn't the worst.  Earlier this year I fell into a pothole and got lost.
 
2014-07-15 12:22:37 PM  
Roads in the north suffer from frost heaves something fierce. Roads need to be repaved every few years and the salt just eats away the steel and concrete that make up the bridges. Plus the massive public works projects (I'm looking at you, Big Dig) that cut down on the available money.

Other states like NY, NH and MA have toll roads that help pay for a lot of the upkeep. AFAIK CT and CA doesn't really have that so they rely solely on the state budget/gas tax to pay for the maintenance.
 
2014-07-15 12:23:35 PM  
Does this mean mittens is prezadent now??
 
2014-07-15 12:24:15 PM  
Clearly you people have not been in the Midwest lately.  In Michigan and Indiana, the awful winter, combined with Republican "we're not spending any more money on infrastructure" derp means that the roads are crumbling into the ditches and where there is construction it's blocking traffic and progressing as if planned by lobotomized monkeys.
 
2014-07-15 12:27:18 PM  

IvyLady: Clearly you people have not been in the Midwest lately.  In Michigan and Indiana, the awful winter, combined with Republican "we're not spending any more money on infrastructure" derp means that the roads are crumbling into the ditches and where there is construction it's blocking traffic and progressing as if planned by lobotomized monkeys.


Obvious solution: privatize ALL the roads.
 
2014-07-15 12:28:35 PM  

TofuTheAlmighty: IvyLady: Clearly you people have not been in the Midwest lately.  In Michigan and Indiana, the awful winter, combined with Republican "we're not spending any more money on infrastructure" derp means that the roads are crumbling into the ditches and where there is construction it's blocking traffic and progressing as if planned by lobotomized monkeys.

Obvious solution: privatize ALL the roads.


That seems like a totally solid idea....until I get on the Indiana toll road.
 
2014-07-15 12:29:21 PM  
Excuse me, I'm going to have to stop you a second and say, "South Carolina" has the worst roads ever.

//Seriously, that report said only 5% of south Carolina roads were deficient. I guess their grading scale on what counts as deficient overly penalized pot holes from northern snow states and not really horribly bumpy old falling apart roads of southern states
 
2014-07-15 12:29:27 PM  
Roads have been terrible since we stopped using trains. The mass amount of heavy trucks on the road is the biggest contributor.

I travel a lot. Michigan has the worst roads by far. I call BS.
 
2014-07-15 12:29:53 PM  
CT's infrastructure gets destroyed every winter.
 
2014-07-15 12:31:39 PM  

Granny_Panties: Roads have been terrible since we stopped using trains. The mass amount of heavy trucks on the road is the biggest contributor.

I travel a lot. Michigan has the worst roads by far. I call BS.


I agree entirely.   I understand that the weather plays a big part, but mostly the problem is caused by derp.
 
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2014-07-15 12:32:26 PM  

IvyLady: TofuTheAlmighty: IvyLady: Clearly you people have not been in the Midwest lately.  In Michigan and Indiana, the awful winter, combined with Republican "we're not spending any more money on infrastructure" derp means that the roads are crumbling into the ditches and where there is construction it's blocking traffic and progressing as if planned by lobotomized monkeys.

Obvious solution: privatize ALL the roads.

That seems like a totally solid idea....until I get on the Indiana toll road.


Yeah, I don't miss that one bit.
 
2014-07-15 12:33:10 PM  

tbhouston: Does this mean mittens is prezadent now??


Yes.  I'm just waiting for a blog post from my wall st. banker cousin that lives in CT to blame obama for not having the US GOV give all its money to his bank and charge no taxes and make the roads made of chocolate magic.

IvyLady: Clearly you people have not been in the Midwest lately.  In Michigan and Indiana, the awful winter, combined with Republican "we're not spending any more money on infrastructure" derp means that the roads are crumbling into the ditches and where there is construction it's blocking traffic and progressing as if planned by lobotomized monkeys.


Indiana was f'd to begin with.  I used to live in Lafayette and they took about a year to repair something under a four way stop (beck and 9th iirc) near where I lived.  A YEAR.  It took them over four years to get the streets by the levee at Purdue figured out and build a tiny strip mall with some basic apartments.
 
2014-07-15 12:33:22 PM  
In California, there are portions of the freeway where one side of your car is on asphalt and the other side is on concrete.

Fuchs you government moonbeam.
 
2014-07-15 12:35:25 PM  

Brick-House: In California, there are portions of the freeway where one side of your car is on asphalt and the other side is on concrete.

Fuchs you government moonbeam.


THAT'S IT. DISBAND THE GOVERNMENT!
 
2014-07-15 12:36:29 PM  
Want to drive on the worst Highway you've ever seen in your life? Take a trip up I-84 from Danbury through Hartford
 
2014-07-15 12:36:43 PM  

IvyLady: Clearly you people have not been in the Midwest lately.  In Michigan and Indiana, the awful winter, combined with Republican "we're not spending any more money on infrastructure" derp means that the roads are crumbling into the ditches and where there is construction it's blocking traffic and progressing as if planned by lobotomized monkeys.


Don't all the Real Americans(tm) out there drive big trucks? A little pothole is nothing to a lifted F-150.
 
2014-07-15 12:37:04 PM  
Misspent tax money?Pffff... Doesn't exist.
 
2014-07-15 12:37:18 PM  

raerae1980: GoodyearPimp: Wait, it's not PA?

This. I call shenanigans.


Seriously, we have the highest gas tax in the area and I think 80% of our bridges are deemed structurally defective.
 
2014-07-15 12:39:52 PM  
I didn't think it got any worse than Louisiana.
 
2014-07-15 12:39:54 PM  
Of curse people will blame the government. Why do we never hear suggestions to sue the private companies that built the roads, for using shoddy pavement and other materials, and for shortchanging the public by forcing them to pay for maintenance more often?
 
2014-07-15 12:41:58 PM  

enry: Roads in the north suffer from frost heaves something fierce. Roads need to be repaved every few years and the salt just eats away the steel and concrete that make up the bridges. Plus the massive public works projects (I'm looking at you, Big Dig) that cut down on the available money.

Other states like NY, NH and MA have toll roads that help pay for a lot of the upkeep. AFAIK CT and CA doesn't really have that so they rely solely on the state budget/gas tax to pay for the maintenance.


I was in California a few weeks ago and they most certainly have toll roads.
 
2014-07-15 12:42:44 PM  

spman: Want to drive on the worst Highway you've ever seen in your life? Take a trip up I-84 from Danbury through Hartford


I've done it several times.  It's awful. Just...awful.  But I still thought Danbury - Stamford was worse.  Definitely not here to defend the horrible, awful, rotten roads in Connecticut.
 
2014-07-15 12:42:56 PM  

Mrbogey: Misspent tax money?Pffff... Doesn't exist.


I could point you to the F-35 program but you would dismiss it.  But yeah, roads, gas tax.  That's the problem.
 
2014-07-15 12:43:13 PM  

Brick-House: In California, there are portions of the freeway where one side of your car is on asphalt and the other side is on concrete.

Fuchs you government moonbeam.


Being a donor state means never having to say you're sorry - take your welfare check, be grateful, and STFU.
 
2014-07-15 12:43:29 PM  
every state has the worst roads

and the worst drivers

am i right
 
2014-07-15 12:43:52 PM  

Bennie Crabtree: Of curse people will blame the government. Why do we never hear suggestions to sue the private companies that built the roads, for using shoddy pavement and other materials, and for shortchanging the public by forcing them to pay for maintenance more often?


Of course then you can go back and lay the blame on the government for making contract bidding a race to the bottom to find the cheapest possible contractor to pave the roads. Or crooked politicians who hook up with business partners and / or mob buddies with the contracts.
 
2014-07-15 12:44:15 PM  
Michigan - especially around the Detroit area - laughs at your puny bumps in the road!


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2014-07-15 12:47:16 PM  

Enigmamf: Why do you think they need the gas taxes?


Where is the tax money actually going?  Throwing money blindly at the problem (the liberal way) is not working.
 
2014-07-15 12:48:34 PM  

Nemo's Brother: Enigmamf: Why do you think they need the gas taxes?

Where is the tax money actually going?  Throwing money blindly at the problem (the liberal way) is not working.


I agree.  Everyone complains about the weather, but no one does anything about it.
 
2014-07-15 12:48:48 PM  

Bennie Crabtree: Why do we never hear suggestions to sue the private companies that built the roads, for using shoddy pavement and other materials, and for shortchanging the public by forcing them to pay for maintenance more often?


The roads were made shoddy because that is what the governments at the time wanted. Shoddy roads equal cheaper to build roads. Roads that will last a few decades without requiring work cost more money to build. By time the cheaply built roads need to be upgraded, say a decade later, the politicians will be long gone and it will be somebody else's problem.
 
2014-07-15 12:50:30 PM  

Granny_Panties: Roads have been terrible since we stopped using trains. The mass amount of heavy trucks on the road is the biggest contributor.

I travel a lot. Michigan has the worst roads by far. I call BS.


The sheer amount of big rigs in South Texas due to the fracking boom is destroying some county roads in rural areas.
The counties don't have the income to repair them.
It's a major clusterfark, and the oil companies won't give them a dime to help. Because they don't have to.
 
2014-07-15 12:50:40 PM  

damageddude: Bennie Crabtree: Why do we never hear suggestions to sue the private companies that built the roads, for using shoddy pavement and other materials, and for shortchanging the public by forcing them to pay for maintenance more often?

The roads were made shoddy because that is what the governments at the time wanted. Shoddy roads equal cheaper to build roads. Roads that will last a few decades without requiring work cost more money to build. By time the cheaply built roads need to be upgraded, say a decade later, the politicians will be long gone and it will be somebody else's problem.


No no - we, the PEOPLE have demanded shoddy roads.  We want lower taxes because "government" and no more spending on infrastructure because "government".   Can't rebuild that bridge because it "looks perfectly good to me" and rebuilding bridges is clearly just wasteful....and on and on.
 
2014-07-15 12:52:39 PM  

Nemo's Brother: Enigmamf: Why do you think they need the gas taxes?

Where is the tax money actually going?  Throwing money blindly at the problem (the liberal way) is not working.


"Blindly" meaning paying for men and material to repair existing infrastructure, funding for flood mitigation due to climate change, etc.
 
2014-07-15 12:52:44 PM  

Maud Dib: Granny_Panties: Roads have been terrible since we stopped using trains. The mass amount of heavy trucks on the road is the biggest contributor.

I travel a lot. Michigan has the worst roads by far. I call BS.

The sheer amount of big rigs in South Texas due to the fracking boom is destroying some county roads in rural areas.
The counties don't have the income to repair them.
It's a major clusterfark, and the oil companies won't give them a dime to help. Because they don't have to.


That's one of the problems biggest in the midwest.  I-94, I 80/90, I-55 are all huge truck routes.  They are big, wide, flat expressways that connect the east and west coasts, the Mississippi River, the great lakes and (in the case of I-94), Canada.

But the problem is the gas tax, or government or something.
 
2014-07-15 12:53:48 PM  

HoboCop: raerae1980: GoodyearPimp: Wait, it's not PA?

This. I call shenanigans.

Yeah, it's not possible that PA isn't the worst.  Earlier this year I fell into a pothole and got lost.


Seriously.  I think more than 50% of every road in the state is now tar.
 
2014-07-15 12:53:57 PM  

IvyLady: Clearly you people have not been in the Midwest lately.  In Michigan and Indiana, the awful winter, combined with Republican "we're not spending any more money on infrastructure" derp means that the roads are crumbling into the ditches and where there is construction it's blocking traffic and progressing as if planned by lobotomized monkeys.


Part of US41 in Evansville disintegrated in last year's heat wave.  Combine that with the freezing ass cold winters and road upkeep becomes ridiculous.  BUt if you suggest raising money to pay for upgrading roads, pitchfork sales go through the roof.
 
2014-07-15 12:55:06 PM  

IvyLady: TofuTheAlmighty: IvyLady: Clearly you people have not been in the Midwest lately.  In Michigan and Indiana, the awful winter, combined with Republican "we're not spending any more money on infrastructure" derp means that the roads are crumbling into the ditches and where there is construction it's blocking traffic and progressing as if planned by lobotomized monkeys.

Obvious solution: privatize ALL the roads.

That seems like a totally solid idea....until I get on the Indiana toll road.


Are you suggesting that Mitch "The Iraq War will cost, like, 30 billion at most" Daniels sucks at math when he sold everything not nailed down in the state? How can you say that? He's a NUMBERS GUY.
 
2014-07-15 12:55:49 PM  

Almet: IvyLady: Clearly you people have not been in the Midwest lately.  In Michigan and Indiana, the awful winter, combined with Republican "we're not spending any more money on infrastructure" derp means that the roads are crumbling into the ditches and where there is construction it's blocking traffic and progressing as if planned by lobotomized monkeys.

Part of US41 in Evansville disintegrated in last year's heat wave.  Combine that with the freezing ass cold winters and road upkeep becomes ridiculous.  BUt if you suggest raising money to pay for upgrading roads, pitchfork sales go through the roof.


In fairness to Indiana, you people have had constant bad weather straight out of a Roland Emmerich movie.  You know it's bad when folks in Chicago are feeling sympathy for Indi's weather.
 
2014-07-15 01:06:00 PM  

plc5_250: Michigan - especially around the Detroit area - laughs at your puny bumps in the road!


This. Detroit area roads will knock your fillings out. Then the state congress adjourned for summer vacation leaving the revenue-neutral roads bill they've been working on laying on their desks like a wet gunnysack. Meanwhile my new car gets a new rattle in it every week.
 
2014-07-15 01:09:31 PM  

HoboCop: raerae1980: GoodyearPimp: Wait, it's not PA?

This. I call shenanigans.

Yeah, it's not possible that PA isn't the worst.  Earlier this year I fell into a pothole and got lost.


Come to Florida. The roads actively try to eat you.
 
2014-07-15 01:10:36 PM  
Years of living in Wisconsin, I thought I had driven on bad roads. I remember seeing how bridges were deemed unsafe and then a major bridge in Green Bay shifted and everyone was shocked that the dwindling trans. budget in the state didnt have enough money to cover major issues like this. Fast forward to this past spring here in Delaware where I live now and 495 was shifting and deemed unsafe. Weeks before the Governor here introduced a plan to raise the gas tax 10 cents a gallon over I think 2 years, (maybe 3) and people lost their minds. Still after all this and the giant CF traffic snarls on 95 now, people still dont want it and think, what are the odds something like this happens again. Seriously, this country wont take infrastructure seriously unless there are more Twin City bridge failures and 1000's of injuries or deaths before they make their congressperson do something.


/sorry for rant
//DE roads arent that bad
///PA can rot in hell for their crappy roads
 
2014-07-15 01:15:16 PM  

Nabb1: I didn't think it got any worse than Louisiana.


Agreed. I refuse to believe worse roads exist.
 
2014-07-15 01:15:23 PM  

Rapmaster2000: I never noticed the roads in Cali as that bad.  For my money, the current state of roads in Indiana is abysmal.  You need the suspension travel of a Jeep just to drive down I-65.  I thought I was going to bottom out on more than one occasion.


This. I made the drive down to Indy in September (you know, before all the farking snow last winter) in my Mini and though I was going to blow a tire more than once. Not to mention I was driving after sundown and parts of 65 are not lit (besides headlights obviously).
 
2014-07-15 01:25:39 PM  
They apparently have tried to drive across Indiana.
 
2014-07-15 01:27:47 PM  

flondrix: They apparently have tried to drive across Indiana.


Ack!  I meant they apparently have never tried to drive across Indiana.
 
2014-07-15 01:34:02 PM  

Dr Dreidel: Connecticut: 4th in population density
California: 11th in population density; 2nd in total miles of roadway (PDF warning)

Gee, I wonder what other factors might contribute to this state of things...


Other thing about California: earthquakes.
 
2014-07-15 01:45:00 PM  

snowybunting: plc5_250: Michigan - especially around the Detroit area - laughs at your puny bumps in the road!

This. Detroit area roads will knock your fillings out. Then the state congress adjourned for summer vacation leaving the revenue-neutral roads bill they've been working on laying on their desks like a wet gunnysack. Meanwhile my new car gets a new rattle in it every week.


I'd bet on a sales tax increase in Michigan getting to the ballot soon.
 
2014-07-15 01:47:25 PM  

flondrix: flondrix: They apparently have tried to drive across Indiana.

Ack!  I meant they apparently have never tried to drive across Indiana.


To be truthful, the wording here can be trickier than when talking about other states. Science has proven that any time you're driving in Indiana, it's your body's natural instinct to want to drive out of Indiana.


/Oh, Indiana, I kid, you eugenics-experimenting neighbor that elected a cold heartless Tea-per Tantrum ideologue who bears an eerie resemblance to Jonny Quest character Race Bannon as its governor.
 
2014-07-15 01:55:41 PM  

EyeballKid: Race Bannon


THAT'S who he reminds me of.  Wow.. Thanks.. I never could quite make the connection until now.

/Hoosier
 
2014-07-15 01:57:05 PM  

EyeballKid: flondrix: flondrix: They apparently have tried to drive across Indiana.

Ack!  I meant they apparently have never tried to drive across Indiana.

To be truthful, the wording here can be trickier than when talking about other states. Science has proven that any time you're driving in Indiana, it's your body's natural instinct to want to drive out of Indiana.


/Oh, Indiana, I kid, you eugenics-experimenting neighbor that elected a cold heartless Tea-per Tantrum ideologue who bears an eerie resemblance to Jonny Quest character Race Bannon as its governor.


I had to laugh at this.  I'm one of those Chicago-dwellers who looks at people voluntarily commuting from NW Indiana to Chicago every day as if they are a strange science experiment.  I do not understand them (and I know they feel the same way about me).
 
2014-07-15 02:03:13 PM  

RexTalionis: You know, it's really weird. I was driving from NY to Massachusetts two weekends ago and the part of the road where I was in Connecticut was great, but driving from Queens to Connecticut via the LIE and Whitestone to I-95 was abysmal. The road from CT to Boston was also really bad.


Sounds like you took the Hutch to the Meritt to the Wilbur Cross, to 93 to 84. The cars-only portion of the first three helps to keep down wear and tear. 95 is a mess from where it joins rt 80 in NJ until it gets to New Haven, mostly because of the huge amounts of truck traffic.
 
2014-07-15 02:06:18 PM  
Rhode Island whistles and quietly backs out of the room.

static1.businessinsider.com
 
2014-07-15 02:09:05 PM  

spman: Bennie Crabtree: Of curse people will blame the government. Why do we never hear suggestions to sue the private companies that built the roads, for using shoddy pavement and other materials, and for shortchanging the public by forcing them to pay for maintenance more often?

Of course then you can go back and lay the blame on the government for making contract bidding a race to the bottom to find the cheapest possible contractor to pave the roads. Or crooked politicians who hook up with business partners and / or mob buddies with the contracts.


Seriously, in my city you can watch sparks fly as the snow plows drag their plows on snow free streets. Curiously enough these trucks belong to the same company that takes in millions repairing those streets every summer.
 
2014-07-15 02:38:50 PM  

rubi_con_man: RexTalionis: You know, it's really weird. I was driving from NY to Massachusetts two weekends ago and the part of the road where I was in Connecticut was great, but driving from Queens to Connecticut via the LIE and Whitestone to I-95 was abysmal. The road from CT to Boston was also really bad.

Sounds like you took the Hutch to the Meritt to the Wilbur Cross, to 93 to 84. The cars-only portion of the first three helps to keep down wear and tear. 95 is a mess from where it joins rt 80 in NJ until it gets to New Haven, mostly because of the huge amounts of truck traffic.


As I recall, I took the 495 to 678, then to 95 until I got on the Wilbur Cross to 91, then straight on from 84 to 90.
 
2014-07-15 03:08:24 PM  
Wait... you thought they would really use all that tax revenue on the roads as promised? You realize that promise came from politicians, right?
 
2014-07-15 03:10:20 PM  

Granny_Panties: Roads have been terrible since we stopped using trains. The mass amount of heavy trucks on the road is the biggest contributor.

I travel a lot. Michigan has the worst roads by far. I call BS.



This is what I came here to say.  Michigan roads are god-awful.  They've been god-awful my entire life.  And the Repub controlled legislature can't bring itself to adequately fund them.

/This is why we can't have nice things.
 
2014-07-15 03:38:47 PM  

MindStalker: Excuse me, I'm going to have to stop you a second and say, "South Carolina" has the worst roads ever.

//Seriously, that report said only 5% of south Carolina roads were deficient. I guess their grading scale on what counts as deficient overly penalized pot holes from northern snow states and not really horribly bumpy old falling apart roads of southern states


You know, the state that has the worst roads on that list doesn't have snow (except in a small part of it) so I don't think your argument is a good one.

As a motorcycle rider I have to say that the state of the roads in California, at least northern California, are abysmal. There are some decent roads around here, but most of them are kidney jarring to the point it almost feels like I am doing motorcross.
 
2014-07-15 03:45:49 PM  
or I should say the second on that list. CA is at 34% disrepair.
 
2014-07-15 04:14:32 PM  
Only 7% of my state's roads are deficient.  Sounds about right.  Y'all can have some of Arizona's transportation funding, but you have to take Joe Arpaio with you.
 
2014-07-15 06:25:08 PM  

damageddude: The roads were made shoddy because that is what the governments at the time wanted. Shoddy roads equal cheaper to build roads. Roads that will last a few decades without requiring work cost more money to build. By time the cheaply built roads need to be upgraded, say a decade later, the politicians will be long gone and it will be somebody else's problem.


More importantly, half-assing the roads means the politicians get more cracks at soliciting contributions from the contractors, who get a whole bunch of jobs instead of doing one job right once.

In New York, just about all taxes on gasoline go into the general fund.

In other words, kiss it goodbye.

kyrg: How much of the fund has been siphoned off to cover other shortfalls.


Sometimes there aren't even shortfalls - the infrastructure spending becomes a political cudgel. If you're an elected official and defy the bosses, no asphalt for your district this election year.
 
2014-07-15 08:27:20 PM  

blasterz: [img.fark.net image 713x551]
Clearly they should be more reliant on federal funding like the bootstrappy states.


No, because all that will do is cause them to make crappy roads so they can absorb the Fed money doing crappy repairs year after year.
 
2014-07-15 10:18:05 PM  

eagles95: Years of living in Wisconsin, I thought I had driven on bad roads. I remember seeing how bridges were deemed unsafe and then a major bridge in Green Bay shifted and everyone was shocked that the dwindling trans. budget in the state didnt have enough money to cover major issues like this. Fast forward to this past spring here in Delaware where I live now and 495 was shifting and deemed unsafe. Weeks before the Governor here introduced a plan to raise the gas tax 10 cents a gallon over I think 2 years, (maybe 3) and people lost their minds. Still after all this and the giant CF traffic snarls on 95 now, people still dont want it and think, what are the odds something like this happens again. Seriously, this country wont take infrastructure seriously unless there are more Twin City bridge failures and 1000's of injuries or deaths before they make their congressperson do something.


/sorry for rant
//DE roads arent that bad
///PA can rot in hell for their crappy roads


Hell you can't blame people for getting pissed off when the only suggestion on the table is to raise gas taxes when gas already costs more than ever.
 
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