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(Hartford Business)   White House study finds that Connecticut (nation's third highest gas tax) and California (nation's highest gas tax) have the nation's worst roads   (hartfordbusiness.com) divider line 75
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2014-07-15 11:10:39 AM  
Why do you think they need the gas taxes?
 
2014-07-15 11:14:46 AM  
You know, it's really weird. I was driving from NY to Massachusetts two weekends ago and the part of the road where I was in Connecticut was great, but driving from Queens to Connecticut via the LIE and Whitestone to I-95 was abysmal. The road from CT to Boston was also really bad.
 
2014-07-15 12:14:40 PM  
Sounds like the tobacco settlement proceeds. Did anyone really think that money was going to pay for the damage (health care costs) associated with smoking.
 
2014-07-15 12:16:01 PM  
How much of the fund has been siphoned off to cover other shortfalls.
 
2014-07-15 12:16:49 PM  
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Clearly they should be more reliant on federal funding like the bootstrappy states.
 
2014-07-15 12:17:04 PM  
Wait, it's not PA?
 
2014-07-15 12:17:23 PM  
Yes. But are their national trophy teams owned by heavy equipment dealers?
 
2014-07-15 12:17:44 PM  
I never noticed the roads in Cali as that bad.  For my money, the current state of roads in Indiana is abysmal.  You need the suspension travel of a Jeep just to drive down I-65.  I thought I was going to bottom out on more than one occasion.
 
2014-07-15 12:17:57 PM  
Federal funds pay for huge amounts of road repair. I suspect that CA and CT receive a disproportionately low amount of federal matching monies.
 
2014-07-15 12:18:01 PM  

GoodyearPimp: Wait, it's not PA?


This. I call shenanigans.
 
2014-07-15 12:19:01 PM  
Connecticut: 4th in population density
California: 11th in population density; 2nd in total miles of roadway (PDF warning)

Gee, I wonder what other factors might contribute to this state of things...
 
2014-07-15 12:20:37 PM  
It's almost as if there might be factors other than the rate of gas tax that contribute to road quality.
 
2014-07-15 12:21:20 PM  
So, roads that are driven on more often than others may be in poorer quality?

I assume the roads around Sisterfister, AL, are pristine and unspoiled?
 
2014-07-15 12:22:12 PM  

raerae1980: GoodyearPimp: Wait, it's not PA?

This. I call shenanigans.


Yeah, it's not possible that PA isn't the worst.  Earlier this year I fell into a pothole and got lost.
 
2014-07-15 12:22:37 PM  
Roads in the north suffer from frost heaves something fierce. Roads need to be repaved every few years and the salt just eats away the steel and concrete that make up the bridges. Plus the massive public works projects (I'm looking at you, Big Dig) that cut down on the available money.

Other states like NY, NH and MA have toll roads that help pay for a lot of the upkeep. AFAIK CT and CA doesn't really have that so they rely solely on the state budget/gas tax to pay for the maintenance.
 
2014-07-15 12:23:35 PM  
Does this mean mittens is prezadent now??
 
2014-07-15 12:24:15 PM  
Clearly you people have not been in the Midwest lately.  In Michigan and Indiana, the awful winter, combined with Republican "we're not spending any more money on infrastructure" derp means that the roads are crumbling into the ditches and where there is construction it's blocking traffic and progressing as if planned by lobotomized monkeys.
 
2014-07-15 12:27:18 PM  

IvyLady: Clearly you people have not been in the Midwest lately.  In Michigan and Indiana, the awful winter, combined with Republican "we're not spending any more money on infrastructure" derp means that the roads are crumbling into the ditches and where there is construction it's blocking traffic and progressing as if planned by lobotomized monkeys.


Obvious solution: privatize ALL the roads.
 
2014-07-15 12:28:35 PM  

TofuTheAlmighty: IvyLady: Clearly you people have not been in the Midwest lately.  In Michigan and Indiana, the awful winter, combined with Republican "we're not spending any more money on infrastructure" derp means that the roads are crumbling into the ditches and where there is construction it's blocking traffic and progressing as if planned by lobotomized monkeys.

Obvious solution: privatize ALL the roads.


That seems like a totally solid idea....until I get on the Indiana toll road.
 
2014-07-15 12:29:21 PM  
Excuse me, I'm going to have to stop you a second and say, "South Carolina" has the worst roads ever.

//Seriously, that report said only 5% of south Carolina roads were deficient. I guess their grading scale on what counts as deficient overly penalized pot holes from northern snow states and not really horribly bumpy old falling apart roads of southern states
 
2014-07-15 12:29:27 PM  
Roads have been terrible since we stopped using trains. The mass amount of heavy trucks on the road is the biggest contributor.

I travel a lot. Michigan has the worst roads by far. I call BS.
 
2014-07-15 12:29:53 PM  
CT's infrastructure gets destroyed every winter.
 
2014-07-15 12:31:39 PM  

Granny_Panties: Roads have been terrible since we stopped using trains. The mass amount of heavy trucks on the road is the biggest contributor.

I travel a lot. Michigan has the worst roads by far. I call BS.


I agree entirely.   I understand that the weather plays a big part, but mostly the problem is caused by derp.
 
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2014-07-15 12:32:26 PM  

IvyLady: TofuTheAlmighty: IvyLady: Clearly you people have not been in the Midwest lately.  In Michigan and Indiana, the awful winter, combined with Republican "we're not spending any more money on infrastructure" derp means that the roads are crumbling into the ditches and where there is construction it's blocking traffic and progressing as if planned by lobotomized monkeys.

Obvious solution: privatize ALL the roads.

That seems like a totally solid idea....until I get on the Indiana toll road.


Yeah, I don't miss that one bit.
 
2014-07-15 12:33:10 PM  

tbhouston: Does this mean mittens is prezadent now??


Yes.  I'm just waiting for a blog post from my wall st. banker cousin that lives in CT to blame obama for not having the US GOV give all its money to his bank and charge no taxes and make the roads made of chocolate magic.

IvyLady: Clearly you people have not been in the Midwest lately.  In Michigan and Indiana, the awful winter, combined with Republican "we're not spending any more money on infrastructure" derp means that the roads are crumbling into the ditches and where there is construction it's blocking traffic and progressing as if planned by lobotomized monkeys.


Indiana was f'd to begin with.  I used to live in Lafayette and they took about a year to repair something under a four way stop (beck and 9th iirc) near where I lived.  A YEAR.  It took them over four years to get the streets by the levee at Purdue figured out and build a tiny strip mall with some basic apartments.
 
2014-07-15 12:33:22 PM  
In California, there are portions of the freeway where one side of your car is on asphalt and the other side is on concrete.

Fuchs you government moonbeam.
 
2014-07-15 12:35:25 PM  

Brick-House: In California, there are portions of the freeway where one side of your car is on asphalt and the other side is on concrete.

Fuchs you government moonbeam.


THAT'S IT. DISBAND THE GOVERNMENT!
 
2014-07-15 12:36:29 PM  
Want to drive on the worst Highway you've ever seen in your life? Take a trip up I-84 from Danbury through Hartford
 
2014-07-15 12:36:43 PM  

IvyLady: Clearly you people have not been in the Midwest lately.  In Michigan and Indiana, the awful winter, combined with Republican "we're not spending any more money on infrastructure" derp means that the roads are crumbling into the ditches and where there is construction it's blocking traffic and progressing as if planned by lobotomized monkeys.


Don't all the Real Americans(tm) out there drive big trucks? A little pothole is nothing to a lifted F-150.
 
2014-07-15 12:37:04 PM  
Misspent tax money?Pffff... Doesn't exist.
 
2014-07-15 12:37:18 PM  

raerae1980: GoodyearPimp: Wait, it's not PA?

This. I call shenanigans.


Seriously, we have the highest gas tax in the area and I think 80% of our bridges are deemed structurally defective.
 
2014-07-15 12:39:52 PM  
I didn't think it got any worse than Louisiana.
 
2014-07-15 12:39:54 PM  
Of curse people will blame the government. Why do we never hear suggestions to sue the private companies that built the roads, for using shoddy pavement and other materials, and for shortchanging the public by forcing them to pay for maintenance more often?
 
2014-07-15 12:41:58 PM  

enry: Roads in the north suffer from frost heaves something fierce. Roads need to be repaved every few years and the salt just eats away the steel and concrete that make up the bridges. Plus the massive public works projects (I'm looking at you, Big Dig) that cut down on the available money.

Other states like NY, NH and MA have toll roads that help pay for a lot of the upkeep. AFAIK CT and CA doesn't really have that so they rely solely on the state budget/gas tax to pay for the maintenance.


I was in California a few weeks ago and they most certainly have toll roads.
 
2014-07-15 12:42:44 PM  

spman: Want to drive on the worst Highway you've ever seen in your life? Take a trip up I-84 from Danbury through Hartford


I've done it several times.  It's awful. Just...awful.  But I still thought Danbury - Stamford was worse.  Definitely not here to defend the horrible, awful, rotten roads in Connecticut.
 
2014-07-15 12:42:56 PM  

Mrbogey: Misspent tax money?Pffff... Doesn't exist.


I could point you to the F-35 program but you would dismiss it.  But yeah, roads, gas tax.  That's the problem.
 
2014-07-15 12:43:13 PM  

Brick-House: In California, there are portions of the freeway where one side of your car is on asphalt and the other side is on concrete.

Fuchs you government moonbeam.


Being a donor state means never having to say you're sorry - take your welfare check, be grateful, and STFU.
 
2014-07-15 12:43:29 PM  
every state has the worst roads

and the worst drivers

am i right
 
2014-07-15 12:43:52 PM  

Bennie Crabtree: Of curse people will blame the government. Why do we never hear suggestions to sue the private companies that built the roads, for using shoddy pavement and other materials, and for shortchanging the public by forcing them to pay for maintenance more often?


Of course then you can go back and lay the blame on the government for making contract bidding a race to the bottom to find the cheapest possible contractor to pave the roads. Or crooked politicians who hook up with business partners and / or mob buddies with the contracts.
 
2014-07-15 12:44:15 PM  
Michigan - especially around the Detroit area - laughs at your puny bumps in the road!


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2014-07-15 12:47:16 PM  

Enigmamf: Why do you think they need the gas taxes?


Where is the tax money actually going?  Throwing money blindly at the problem (the liberal way) is not working.
 
2014-07-15 12:48:34 PM  

Nemo's Brother: Enigmamf: Why do you think they need the gas taxes?

Where is the tax money actually going?  Throwing money blindly at the problem (the liberal way) is not working.


I agree.  Everyone complains about the weather, but no one does anything about it.
 
2014-07-15 12:48:48 PM  

Bennie Crabtree: Why do we never hear suggestions to sue the private companies that built the roads, for using shoddy pavement and other materials, and for shortchanging the public by forcing them to pay for maintenance more often?


The roads were made shoddy because that is what the governments at the time wanted. Shoddy roads equal cheaper to build roads. Roads that will last a few decades without requiring work cost more money to build. By time the cheaply built roads need to be upgraded, say a decade later, the politicians will be long gone and it will be somebody else's problem.
 
2014-07-15 12:50:30 PM  

Granny_Panties: Roads have been terrible since we stopped using trains. The mass amount of heavy trucks on the road is the biggest contributor.

I travel a lot. Michigan has the worst roads by far. I call BS.


The sheer amount of big rigs in South Texas due to the fracking boom is destroying some county roads in rural areas.
The counties don't have the income to repair them.
It's a major clusterfark, and the oil companies won't give them a dime to help. Because they don't have to.
 
2014-07-15 12:50:40 PM  

damageddude: Bennie Crabtree: Why do we never hear suggestions to sue the private companies that built the roads, for using shoddy pavement and other materials, and for shortchanging the public by forcing them to pay for maintenance more often?

The roads were made shoddy because that is what the governments at the time wanted. Shoddy roads equal cheaper to build roads. Roads that will last a few decades without requiring work cost more money to build. By time the cheaply built roads need to be upgraded, say a decade later, the politicians will be long gone and it will be somebody else's problem.


No no - we, the PEOPLE have demanded shoddy roads.  We want lower taxes because "government" and no more spending on infrastructure because "government".   Can't rebuild that bridge because it "looks perfectly good to me" and rebuilding bridges is clearly just wasteful....and on and on.
 
2014-07-15 12:52:39 PM  

Nemo's Brother: Enigmamf: Why do you think they need the gas taxes?

Where is the tax money actually going?  Throwing money blindly at the problem (the liberal way) is not working.


"Blindly" meaning paying for men and material to repair existing infrastructure, funding for flood mitigation due to climate change, etc.
 
2014-07-15 12:52:44 PM  

Maud Dib: Granny_Panties: Roads have been terrible since we stopped using trains. The mass amount of heavy trucks on the road is the biggest contributor.

I travel a lot. Michigan has the worst roads by far. I call BS.

The sheer amount of big rigs in South Texas due to the fracking boom is destroying some county roads in rural areas.
The counties don't have the income to repair them.
It's a major clusterfark, and the oil companies won't give them a dime to help. Because they don't have to.


That's one of the problems biggest in the midwest.  I-94, I 80/90, I-55 are all huge truck routes.  They are big, wide, flat expressways that connect the east and west coasts, the Mississippi River, the great lakes and (in the case of I-94), Canada.

But the problem is the gas tax, or government or something.
 
2014-07-15 12:53:48 PM  

HoboCop: raerae1980: GoodyearPimp: Wait, it's not PA?

This. I call shenanigans.

Yeah, it's not possible that PA isn't the worst.  Earlier this year I fell into a pothole and got lost.


Seriously.  I think more than 50% of every road in the state is now tar.
 
2014-07-15 12:53:57 PM  

IvyLady: Clearly you people have not been in the Midwest lately.  In Michigan and Indiana, the awful winter, combined with Republican "we're not spending any more money on infrastructure" derp means that the roads are crumbling into the ditches and where there is construction it's blocking traffic and progressing as if planned by lobotomized monkeys.


Part of US41 in Evansville disintegrated in last year's heat wave.  Combine that with the freezing ass cold winters and road upkeep becomes ridiculous.  BUt if you suggest raising money to pay for upgrading roads, pitchfork sales go through the roof.
 
2014-07-15 12:55:06 PM  

IvyLady: TofuTheAlmighty: IvyLady: Clearly you people have not been in the Midwest lately.  In Michigan and Indiana, the awful winter, combined with Republican "we're not spending any more money on infrastructure" derp means that the roads are crumbling into the ditches and where there is construction it's blocking traffic and progressing as if planned by lobotomized monkeys.

Obvious solution: privatize ALL the roads.

That seems like a totally solid idea....until I get on the Indiana toll road.


Are you suggesting that Mitch "The Iraq War will cost, like, 30 billion at most" Daniels sucks at math when he sold everything not nailed down in the state? How can you say that? He's a NUMBERS GUY.
 
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